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I'm trying to get a feel for the place.

Personally speaking I'm a Liberal. What I mean from being a liberal is a traditional meaning of the word; "freedom of the individual from external restraint" I believe everyone is equal. I firmly believe in gradualism; If something is right it's destined to happen, or at least thats my interpretation of the concept.

I do have some unliberal opinions on matters such as African aid.

How about you strangers?

I'm just a base-ic person.

I was looking for your introduction thread, Gaius...........no Caligula after that, is there?

Gaius wrote: I'm trying to get a feel for the place.

Personally speaking I'm a Liberal. What I mean from being a liberal is a traditional meaning of the word; "freedom of the individual from external restraint" I believe everyone is equal. I firmly believe in gradualism; If something is right it's destined to happen, or at least thats my interpretation of the concept.

I do have some unliberal opinions on matters such as African aid.

How about you strangers?


I cast myself as Open to Discussion on any particular issue.

If you must have a label, I guess mine would be "constitutionalist."

I love my country but fear my government.

What else ya wanna know?

I think all government" are fit for is, lineing their own pocket



AND ITS SOD U jack i'm , ok never voted and proud off it.....

al they rrrr is ganster.......



death to them all,,,,,, just a peasant point of view ,,,,,



they start wars.... and it our young men and women who died for the crap.....

like bush AND BLIAR THATCHER,,,,, the only time they wish to know us is when



they want us to vote for them.... never vote 34 years and never will daffy52 a xminer for 22 years [can,t stand them""""" governments biggest bluffer

and coward in the world today.....not worth a vote my belief look after er family and friends { and sod them government all the same trash...

ArnoldLayne wrote: I too would cast myself as a liberal but I'm interested in your unliberal opinions on Africa


Basically I don't think stopping the debt is doing them any good, not so long as the corrupt leaders are in place. Africa needs to stop thinking that everything is the white mans fault and take a grip of their own affairs for once. It's been 40 years of independance and more for some of them.

Arnold is right.. if you don't vote.. don't bitch.. your vote is your voice no matter how small you think it is...

Myself.. I am a middle of the road.. moderate I guess independent.. I don't follow any specific doctrine but consider the issue then make my decision.. soo.. I can be a liberal on one issue and a conservative on another...

ArnoldLayne wrote: But you probably think the same as many people do. You should always exercise your right to vote. There are far too many people who choose not to, thats why we get the ****-for-brains politicians we do. Theres nothing so dangerous as an indifferent electorate who cant be bothered. You cant just stand at your kitchen window week after week and complain that the weeds keep growing. You have to get off your arse and get out there and dig them up. Same with the self serving politicians, weed 'em out

1 vote is NEVER a waste.

What say we take the right away, you'd be the first to complain. never

the only time i will conplain. is when it made compulsory...

sooner go to jail,, give me nothin.......wouldnt mind begin on their wages ......

robbing **************** just who's kidding who daffy50 ps



who needs them .. its the civil servants who do all the hard work.....office workers for the so call mouth pieces . £176,ooo a year prime minister. !

mps £165,000each? ayears 695mp off" them to pay and that not inclueding

expenses,,,,

I believe in individual freedom balanced with individual responsibility, and I'm quite rabid about it. Label me what you will.



Daffy, I don't know about the UK, but here in the US being registered to vote is more important than the vote itself. So few people give a damn, that the rare one to speak out is generally heard. People vote, then talk amongst themselves until it's time to vote again. The politician never hears anything but lobbyist blather. You wouldn't hire an employee and just mail in a paycheck. You'd check his work & tell 'im where he's cocked up, right? Why should a politician be any different. He's hired & working for you, whether you voted for 'im or not. Tell 'im what you expect & where he's messing up. If you're a registered voter, believe me he'll listen.

daffodil52 wrote: never

the only time i will conplain. is when it made compulsory...

sooner go to jail,, give me nothin.......wouldnt mind begin on their wages ......

robbing **************** just who's kidding who daffy50 ps



who needs them .. its the civil servants who do all the hard work.....office workers for the so call mouth pieces . £176,ooo a year prime minister. !

mps £165,000each? ayears 695mp off" them to pay and that not inclueding

expenses,,,,


It must be a comfort to know that whatever governmental benefits that you enjoy, you had nothing to do with it by not voting.

Eliminate "politics" as we know it. Start from scratch.

TruthSeekerToo wrote: Eliminate "politics" as we know it. Start from scratch.
What does that mean exactly?

Gaius wrote: Personally speaking I'm a Liberal. What I mean from being a liberal is a traditional meaning of the word; "freedom of the individual from external restraint"
Isn't that more the definition of a libertarian?

This is the definition from dictionary.com:

* Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

* Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

That’s the traditional meaning. Many of today’s "liberals" don't fit that description, though. Many of them are extremely narrow minded and intolerant of people who don't agree with them.

I’d consider myself to be a moderate democrat. I’m not into change for the sake of change. If something’s not broke, don’t fix it. I’m hugely critical of Bush because he took a system that was working fairly well and he broke it. I’m all for the government helping people help themselves and for helping people who can’t help themselves, meaning help people develop skills and go to college, and provide a safety net for when times are tough. I’m for regulating businesses in order to protect our environment and the workers. I’m against affirmative action and hiring quotas except in cases where there has been discrimination. I’m also adamantly apposed to religious influence on government. I believe in freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion. I'm for a strong military but against what we're doing in Iraq.

Accountable wrote: What does that mean exactly?
Return to our Founding Father's "original intent" (starting with civility, statesmanship and citizen legislators).

TruthSeekerToo wrote: Return to our Founding Father's "original intent" (starting with civility, statesmanship and citizen legislators).
I'm with ya on the citizen legislators. I actually heard a senator running for re-election for the nth time say time & again that we should keep him in Washington because he has so much seniority. I didn't hear one idea come from him, only seniority. Too bad the legislators also make their own rules.

my political belief is that as long as the "2 party" system is intact, there is no chance of politics to work as they were intended. politicians are suppose to represent the people that vote for them. and that is simply not the case. politicians only vote for the things that their party tells them they can vote for. or if they are getting enough special intrest money that will persuade them to vote for their intrest whether it's the same as the "party" vote or not. the only time the voters thoughts are cared about is election time. how can every (or just about) democrat be against alito and every republican be for him??? same for just about every major vote they cast. i've had state level politicians tell me that if they don't vote the way they are told to vote, they get their meal money reduced, they get their parking priveledges revoked etc.....

WHAT A JOKE!

anyone that claims they are a democrat or a republican is simply stating that they are not able to think for themselves, so they just go with what the party line is. obviously there are some people that truly are republican or democrat simply because they actually do agree with & understand the partyline, but that's like .0001 percent of the people.

sorry for the long ramble

I guess I'm more of a libertarian than anything else. I believe that the government which governs the best is that which governs the least. And I don't believe that people can be free from both tyranny and personal responsibility, it's pretty much one or the other and you'll find me staunchly on the side of freedom from tyranny. Which is why I'm equally disgusted by both the left and the right (both in terms of American politics and on an international level.)

Accountable wrote: I'm with ya on the citizen legislators. I actually heard a senator running for re-election for the nth time say time & again that we should keep him in Washington because he has so much seniority. I didn't hear one idea come from him, only seniority. Too bad the legislators also make their own rules.
While the founding Father's had a notion of seniority, they never had an intent for 20, 30 or 40-year representatives. As far as I'm concerned, what we have now is "the fox watching the chicken coop." A cleaner slate would be the ticket.