COUNTER CRUSADE
The attacks on our freedoms and free speech (excluding profanity and insults) by the popes and the ghosts of the Pharisees is going on today in our Constitutional Democracy.
It is about time we fought back to keep them in their place which is the religious institutions and their homes.
They are acting illegally when they enter into politics and the public school systems.
This action violates our Constitutional mandate of 'Separation of Church and State'.
These religious fanatics are also illegal crusaders promoting 'cruel and unusual punishment' with their symbolic crucifixes and crosses. These are NOT true symbols of the Gospel of Christ. Their symbols are the instruments that Pontius Pilate used to force his opponents to comply to his predatory and sadistic practice by torturing them to death.
Our Constitution forbids this kind of punishment for any reason.
In the case of Christ, he was punished for what? For free speech which was directed toward the Pharasees? Christ did not volenteer to be crucified. Therefore, the only true symbol of his church should be an icon of him preaching his Gospel.
So, I suggest that the crucifixes and crosses be 'scrapped' and replaced with an icon of his image at the front of the congregation within the church.
So I again suggest we start promoting the Christian Gospel of reform against an established religion that is NOT promoting the true nature of the message of what Christ was promoting like helping the poor and sick (I support jobs for all and volentary euthanasis) and private prayer rather than public prayer. Also, supporting our Constitutional law rather then the 'dogma' of a predatory empire like the Romans at the time of the Christian era.
The first three commandments in the bible are also unconstitutional because they deny freedom of religion which is a personal right for all US citizens but practiced in the proper institutions and the private homes of the followers.
A US citizen
Mike CT
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Mike CT wrote: COUNTER CRUSADE
The attacks on our freedoms and free speech (excluding profanity and insults) by the popes and the ghosts of the Pharisees is going on today in our Constitutional Democracy.
It is about time we fought back to keep them in their place which is the religious institutions and their homes.
They are acting illegally when they enter into politics and the public school systems.
This action violates our Constitutional mandate of 'Separation of Church and State'.
These religious fanatics are also illegal crusaders promoting 'cruel and unusual punishment' with their symbolic crucifixes and crosses. These are NOT true symbols of the Gospel of Christ. Their symbols are the instruments that Pontius Pilate used to force his opponents to comply to his predatory and sadistic practice by torturing them to death.
Our Constitution forbids this kind of punishment for any reason.
In the case of Christ, he was punished for what? For free speech which was directed toward the Pharasees? Christ did not volenteer to be crucified. Therefore, the only true symbol of his church should be an icon of him preaching his Gospel.
So, I suggest that the crucifixes and crosses be 'scrapped' and replaced with an icon of his image at the front of the congregation within the church.
So I again suggest we start promoting the Christian Gospel of reform against an established religion that is NOT promoting the true nature of the message of what Christ was promoting like helping the poor and sick (I support jobs for all and volentary euthanasis) and private prayer rather than public prayer. Also, supporting our Constitutional law rather then the 'dogma' of a predatory empire like the Romans at the time of the Christian era.
The first three commandments in the bible are also unconstitutional because they deny freedom of religion which is a personal right for all US citizens but practiced in the proper institutions and the private homes of the followers.
A US citizen
Mike CTUhh...you ARE kidding, right? This is a rib, a 'leg-pull', if you will, correct?
Feels good, wanna pull my other one?
The attacks on our freedoms and free speech (excluding profanity and insults) by the popes and the ghosts of the Pharisees is going on today in our Constitutional Democracy.
It is about time we fought back to keep them in their place which is the religious institutions and their homes.
They are acting illegally when they enter into politics and the public school systems.
This action violates our Constitutional mandate of 'Separation of Church and State'.
These religious fanatics are also illegal crusaders promoting 'cruel and unusual punishment' with their symbolic crucifixes and crosses. These are NOT true symbols of the Gospel of Christ. Their symbols are the instruments that Pontius Pilate used to force his opponents to comply to his predatory and sadistic practice by torturing them to death.
Our Constitution forbids this kind of punishment for any reason.
In the case of Christ, he was punished for what? For free speech which was directed toward the Pharasees? Christ did not volenteer to be crucified. Therefore, the only true symbol of his church should be an icon of him preaching his Gospel.
So, I suggest that the crucifixes and crosses be 'scrapped' and replaced with an icon of his image at the front of the congregation within the church.
So I again suggest we start promoting the Christian Gospel of reform against an established religion that is NOT promoting the true nature of the message of what Christ was promoting like helping the poor and sick (I support jobs for all and volentary euthanasis) and private prayer rather than public prayer. Also, supporting our Constitutional law rather then the 'dogma' of a predatory empire like the Romans at the time of the Christian era.
The first three commandments in the bible are also unconstitutional because they deny freedom of religion which is a personal right for all US citizens but practiced in the proper institutions and the private homes of the followers.
A US citizen
Mike CTUhh...you ARE kidding, right? This is a rib, a 'leg-pull', if you will, correct?
Feels good, wanna pull my other one?
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These religious fanatics are also illegal crusaders promoting 'cruel and unusual punishment' with their symbolic crucifixes and crosses. These are NOT true symbols of the Gospel of Christ.
The symbol of the cross does not stand for death and killing, it stands for "LIFE". The plain cross is symbolic of the Risen Lord.
In the case of Christ, he was punished for what? For free speech which was directed toward the Pharasees?
I think the problem was that he threaten the established government.
Christ did not volenteer to be crucified.
Correct. He obeyed His Fathers will.
Therefore, the only true symbol of his church should be an icon of him preaching his Gospel.
So, I suggest that the crucifixes and crosses be 'scrapped' and replaced with an icon of his image at the front of the congregation within the church.
There is no therefore, the case you present is flawed.
and private prayer rather than public prayer.
We are called to live in community, to love God and to love one another
Also, supporting our Constitutional law rather then the 'dogma' of a predatory empire like the Romans at the time of the Christian era.
Do you feel all our laws are good?
The first three commandments in the bible are also unconstitutional because they deny freedom of religion which is a personal right for all US citizens but practiced in the proper institutions and the private homes of the followers.
Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and unto God that which is God's. Many people believe we have a higher power in the Bible, it came first and all else should follow.
To Mike CT, A US citizen
From an Alien in a Strange Land
These religious fanatics are also illegal crusaders promoting 'cruel and unusual punishment' with their symbolic crucifixes and crosses. These are NOT true symbols of the Gospel of Christ.
The symbol of the cross does not stand for death and killing, it stands for "LIFE". The plain cross is symbolic of the Risen Lord.
In the case of Christ, he was punished for what? For free speech which was directed toward the Pharasees?
I think the problem was that he threaten the established government.
Christ did not volenteer to be crucified.
Correct. He obeyed His Fathers will.
Therefore, the only true symbol of his church should be an icon of him preaching his Gospel.
So, I suggest that the crucifixes and crosses be 'scrapped' and replaced with an icon of his image at the front of the congregation within the church.
There is no therefore, the case you present is flawed.
and private prayer rather than public prayer.
We are called to live in community, to love God and to love one another
Also, supporting our Constitutional law rather then the 'dogma' of a predatory empire like the Romans at the time of the Christian era.
Do you feel all our laws are good?
The first three commandments in the bible are also unconstitutional because they deny freedom of religion which is a personal right for all US citizens but practiced in the proper institutions and the private homes of the followers.
Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and unto God that which is God's. Many people believe we have a higher power in the Bible, it came first and all else should follow.
To Mike CT, A US citizen
From an Alien in a Strange Land
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The first three commandments in the bible are also unconstitutional because they deny freedom of religion which is a personal right for all US citizens but practiced in the proper institutions and the private homes of the followers.
You so funny!
How can anything in the Bible be unconstittutional if you have to separate the church and the state?
You so funny!:wah:
(Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, it's freedom FROM religion) Yet and still, you so funny!
You so funny!
How can anything in the Bible be unconstittutional if you have to separate the church and the state?
You so funny!:wah:
(Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, it's freedom FROM religion) Yet and still, you so funny!
When choosing between two evils, I always like to take the one I've never tried before.
Mae West
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SOJOURNER:-6
Excellent post. Well put. Yes the empty cross is definitely a Christian symbol. It is a simply of victory.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Excellent post. Well put. Yes the empty cross is definitely a Christian symbol. It is a simply of victory.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Mike CT wrote: COUNTER CRUSADE
The attacks on our freedoms and free speech (excluding profanity and insults) by the popes and the ghosts of the Pharisees is going on today in our Constitutional Democracy.
Hi Mike, Long time no see! That's funny, I remember the Pope talking about abortion adn birth control, but not free speech. Wait...did you just put the Pope and the Pharisees on the same side? lol.
It is about time we fought back to keep them in their place which is the religious institutions and their homes.
Oh...and on the money.
They are acting illegally when they enter into politics and the public school systems.
Ok, I agree with you there. I have a very nice Hindu boy in my class, and his parents are doctors. Aren't they Americans too? But I haven't seen any of what your talking about, and I ork at a school. We are having a Christas Carol Contest and watching 'A Christmas Carol next week.
These religious fanatics are also illegal crusaders promoting 'cruel and unusual punishment' with their symbolic crucifixes and crosses.
Whoops! (crash!) Did you hear that sound? That was the sound of you slipping off the edge of rationality into the sea of illogic. The cross isn't symbolic of torture, it's symbolic of redempton and the resurrection of the soul. christ died on the cross to wash away our sins. What better symbol for the sacrifice that God and Christ made for us?
These are NOT true symbols of the Gospel of Christ. Their symbols are the instruments that Pontius Pilate used to force his opponents to comply to his predatory and sadistic practice by torturing them to death.
Only to nonbelievers. A symbol is nothing more than something that makes people think of something else. Anyone who is Christian understands that the cross is a symbol of the undying love of God for mankind.
Our Constitution forbids this kind of punishment for any reason.
True...which is why we haven't crucified anyone lately. Or did I miss something?
[QUOE]In the case of Christ, he was punished for what?
The sins of mankind. (Of course Pilate and Judas thought it was for something else, but that's because they weren't in the loop.)
Christ did not volunteer to be crucified.
Here's where I disagree with the other posters. He did volunteer, in that he did it of his own free will, and was not forced to do it. He also did it knowing that his Father wanted it that way, and what it would men to humanity for him to die. What a guy, eh?
Therefore, the only true symbol of his church should be an icon of him preaching his Gospel.
Thereby ignoring his ultimate sacrifice? The very pinnacle of meaning in his life? It's not a bad thing, after all, it didn't even kill him. He rose from the grave on Easter.
So, I suggest that the crucifixes and crosses be 'scrapped' and replaced with an icon of his image at the front of the congregation within the church.
And risk forgetting what he did for us? I think not.
So I again suggest we start promoting the Christian Gospel of reform against an established religion that is NOT promoting the true nature of the message of what Christ was promoting like helping the poor and sick
It sounds like you want to organize a Radical Christian Offshoot Group. Sure helping the poor was a part of his message, but picking one part and ignorning the other parts is bad, wrong, and dangerous.
(I support jobs for all and volentary euthanasis)
Good for you! Christ is proud of you!
and private prayer rather than public prayer.
Public. As in prayers around a flagpole? Or prayers in a hospital waiting room? or prayers at a public funeral? What about at a football game? Now Christ is disappointed with you. He wanted you to spread the word far and wide. Publically.
Also, supporting our Constitutional law rather then the 'dogma' of a predatory empire like the Romans at the time of the Christian era.
Huh? What Roman laws are you talking about? Give me an example, please.
The first three commandments in the bible are also unconstitutional because they deny freedom of religion which is a personal right for all US citizens but practiced in the proper institutions and the private homes of the followers.
There is a gap between what the Ten Commandments actually state, and what the public perceives that they say. Most people incorrectly believe that all of the Commandments govern moral behavior in society: to not lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. In reality, the first four commandments are religious in nature, uniquely related to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They are offensive to the followers of many other religions. Only the last six relate to moral behavior in society.
A widely believed misunderstanding is that the entire Decalogue forms the foundation for the North American legal system. The Order of Eagles is the service group that sponsored the installations of hundreds of monuments containing the text of the Decalogue across the U.S., mostly during the 1950's and the 1960's in conjunction with the movie, "The Ten commandments." Charleton Heston and Yul Brenner even dedicated some of these monuments.
They wrote in a joint statement: "The Fraternal Order of Eagles has promoted the Ten Commandments not in an attempt to impose religion on the masses, but rather in recognition of their role in the very foundation of our legal system...Our very laws are built on the bedrock moral precepts of the Ten Commandments."
Makes sense to me. Law codes in the U.S. and the rest of the western world are derived from a variety of sources, including the Ten Commandments and Pagan Roman laws. Don't take it so seriously, dude.
The attacks on our freedoms and free speech (excluding profanity and insults) by the popes and the ghosts of the Pharisees is going on today in our Constitutional Democracy.
Hi Mike, Long time no see! That's funny, I remember the Pope talking about abortion adn birth control, but not free speech. Wait...did you just put the Pope and the Pharisees on the same side? lol.
It is about time we fought back to keep them in their place which is the religious institutions and their homes.
Oh...and on the money.
They are acting illegally when they enter into politics and the public school systems.
Ok, I agree with you there. I have a very nice Hindu boy in my class, and his parents are doctors. Aren't they Americans too? But I haven't seen any of what your talking about, and I ork at a school. We are having a Christas Carol Contest and watching 'A Christmas Carol next week.
These religious fanatics are also illegal crusaders promoting 'cruel and unusual punishment' with their symbolic crucifixes and crosses.
Whoops! (crash!) Did you hear that sound? That was the sound of you slipping off the edge of rationality into the sea of illogic. The cross isn't symbolic of torture, it's symbolic of redempton and the resurrection of the soul. christ died on the cross to wash away our sins. What better symbol for the sacrifice that God and Christ made for us?
These are NOT true symbols of the Gospel of Christ. Their symbols are the instruments that Pontius Pilate used to force his opponents to comply to his predatory and sadistic practice by torturing them to death.
Only to nonbelievers. A symbol is nothing more than something that makes people think of something else. Anyone who is Christian understands that the cross is a symbol of the undying love of God for mankind.
Our Constitution forbids this kind of punishment for any reason.
True...which is why we haven't crucified anyone lately. Or did I miss something?
[QUOE]In the case of Christ, he was punished for what?
The sins of mankind. (Of course Pilate and Judas thought it was for something else, but that's because they weren't in the loop.)
Christ did not volunteer to be crucified.
Here's where I disagree with the other posters. He did volunteer, in that he did it of his own free will, and was not forced to do it. He also did it knowing that his Father wanted it that way, and what it would men to humanity for him to die. What a guy, eh?
Therefore, the only true symbol of his church should be an icon of him preaching his Gospel.
Thereby ignoring his ultimate sacrifice? The very pinnacle of meaning in his life? It's not a bad thing, after all, it didn't even kill him. He rose from the grave on Easter.
So, I suggest that the crucifixes and crosses be 'scrapped' and replaced with an icon of his image at the front of the congregation within the church.
And risk forgetting what he did for us? I think not.
So I again suggest we start promoting the Christian Gospel of reform against an established religion that is NOT promoting the true nature of the message of what Christ was promoting like helping the poor and sick
It sounds like you want to organize a Radical Christian Offshoot Group. Sure helping the poor was a part of his message, but picking one part and ignorning the other parts is bad, wrong, and dangerous.
(I support jobs for all and volentary euthanasis)
Good for you! Christ is proud of you!
and private prayer rather than public prayer.
Public. As in prayers around a flagpole? Or prayers in a hospital waiting room? or prayers at a public funeral? What about at a football game? Now Christ is disappointed with you. He wanted you to spread the word far and wide. Publically.
Also, supporting our Constitutional law rather then the 'dogma' of a predatory empire like the Romans at the time of the Christian era.
Huh? What Roman laws are you talking about? Give me an example, please.
The first three commandments in the bible are also unconstitutional because they deny freedom of religion which is a personal right for all US citizens but practiced in the proper institutions and the private homes of the followers.
There is a gap between what the Ten Commandments actually state, and what the public perceives that they say. Most people incorrectly believe that all of the Commandments govern moral behavior in society: to not lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. In reality, the first four commandments are religious in nature, uniquely related to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They are offensive to the followers of many other religions. Only the last six relate to moral behavior in society.
A widely believed misunderstanding is that the entire Decalogue forms the foundation for the North American legal system. The Order of Eagles is the service group that sponsored the installations of hundreds of monuments containing the text of the Decalogue across the U.S., mostly during the 1950's and the 1960's in conjunction with the movie, "The Ten commandments." Charleton Heston and Yul Brenner even dedicated some of these monuments.
They wrote in a joint statement: "The Fraternal Order of Eagles has promoted the Ten Commandments not in an attempt to impose religion on the masses, but rather in recognition of their role in the very foundation of our legal system...Our very laws are built on the bedrock moral precepts of the Ten Commandments."
Makes sense to me. Law codes in the U.S. and the rest of the western world are derived from a variety of sources, including the Ten Commandments and Pagan Roman laws. Don't take it so seriously, dude.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Ted wrote: SOJOURNER: Excellent post. Well put. Yes the empty cross is definitely a Christian symbol. It is a simply of victory.Yeah, I agree, Ted. Soj and some other posters made excellent comments, and they obviously took the original post more seriously than I did.
I thought it was so inane that it was probably a put-on and responded accordingly. If that is not the case, then the poster knows - or knew at the time he posted - virtually nothing about Christianity and very little about the US constitution. Hopefully, after reading the replies, he will study both more closely.
I thought it was so inane that it was probably a put-on and responded accordingly. If that is not the case, then the poster knows - or knew at the time he posted - virtually nothing about Christianity and very little about the US constitution. Hopefully, after reading the replies, he will study both more closely.
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The bible was written by people. The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people). The current Christian preachers today are just people portraying themselves as the higher law.
The Natural GOD did not write the bible, write the Roman dogma or motivates the current selfstyled higher law promoters.
Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives.
So on behalf of these men, I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.
Mike CT
The bible was written by people. The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people). The current Christian preachers today are just people portraying themselves as the higher law.
The Natural GOD did not write the bible, write the Roman dogma or motivates the current selfstyled higher law promoters.
Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives.
So on behalf of these men, I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.
Mike CT
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Mike CT wrote: Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives.
So on behalf of these men, I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.I perceive that you are an atheist. Thank God you live in a country where you have that right.
Most people of faith would agree that God's law, AS THEY PERCEIVE IT, supercedes the laws of civil government. As a religious person, regardless of my denomination, my first duty is to my Creator, to live my life in His service. Often this does not conflict with civil law. In situations where there is a conflict, one must follow one's conscience and accept the consequences. That is why Dr. King and many others went to jail in order to end the immorality of racial discrimination in the American South. That is why millions of Americans protested the illegal and shameful war in Vietnam, and are protesting our fumbling and bumbling in Iraq today, and the fact that we have virtually destroyed that country so that arch-criminals in our government can make additional billions of dollars rebuilding it.
Mike, had you been alive and in Germany during WWII and the years leading up to it, you would have made a great Nazi.
So on behalf of these men, I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.I perceive that you are an atheist. Thank God you live in a country where you have that right.
Most people of faith would agree that God's law, AS THEY PERCEIVE IT, supercedes the laws of civil government. As a religious person, regardless of my denomination, my first duty is to my Creator, to live my life in His service. Often this does not conflict with civil law. In situations where there is a conflict, one must follow one's conscience and accept the consequences. That is why Dr. King and many others went to jail in order to end the immorality of racial discrimination in the American South. That is why millions of Americans protested the illegal and shameful war in Vietnam, and are protesting our fumbling and bumbling in Iraq today, and the fact that we have virtually destroyed that country so that arch-criminals in our government can make additional billions of dollars rebuilding it.
Mike, had you been alive and in Germany during WWII and the years leading up to it, you would have made a great Nazi.
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I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.
Then I respectfully suggest you gain a better understanding of it.
Then I respectfully suggest you gain a better understanding of it.
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Mike, had you been alive and in Germany during WWII and the years leading up to it, you would have made a great Nazi.
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Wow! I cannot believe you said that.
I am not a bigot in any form. To me there is just one color, nationality, religion or any other such differences. I lump them all into one identity and that is AMERICAN. We are all patriots of our country or should be. That does not mean we should endorse anything we disagree with. Our first patriotic duty is to honor our Constitution.
Incidentally, I did NOT vote for Bush and his corporate and religious government.
This is the republican mentallity.
I posted my concept of GOD and it is the only CREATOR of life as I know it.
Nature created no LAWS so the peoples book is out of step with the Natural Creatot GOD which means, there is no higher law than our Constitution.
Regarding the interpretation of the crucifixion:
I see things realistically and objectively. I see a man promoting his free opinions that was directed toward the Pharisees that influenced Pontius Pilate to crucify Christ for what he said.
Seems like our Constitution has Christs main objections protected by the 'free speech' to be allowed and the crucifixion to be disallowed. It also promotes the equality of the citizenship as well. This runs counter to the Pharisee attitude of ignoring the needs of the lower masses. So to me, the current crop of Pharisees (popes and the Christian coalition) is out of step with the Christian Gospel.
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Mike CT
Mike, had you been alive and in Germany during WWII and the years leading up to it, you would have made a great Nazi.
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Wow! I cannot believe you said that.
I am not a bigot in any form. To me there is just one color, nationality, religion or any other such differences. I lump them all into one identity and that is AMERICAN. We are all patriots of our country or should be. That does not mean we should endorse anything we disagree with. Our first patriotic duty is to honor our Constitution.
Incidentally, I did NOT vote for Bush and his corporate and religious government.
This is the republican mentallity.
I posted my concept of GOD and it is the only CREATOR of life as I know it.
Nature created no LAWS so the peoples book is out of step with the Natural Creatot GOD which means, there is no higher law than our Constitution.
Regarding the interpretation of the crucifixion:
I see things realistically and objectively. I see a man promoting his free opinions that was directed toward the Pharisees that influenced Pontius Pilate to crucify Christ for what he said.
Seems like our Constitution has Christs main objections protected by the 'free speech' to be allowed and the crucifixion to be disallowed. It also promotes the equality of the citizenship as well. This runs counter to the Pharisee attitude of ignoring the needs of the lower masses. So to me, the current crop of Pharisees (popes and the Christian coalition) is out of step with the Christian Gospel.
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Mike CT
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[QUOTE/]I posted my concept of GOD and it is the only CREATOR of life as I know it.
Nature created no LAWS so the peoples book is out of step with the Natural Creatot GOD which means, there is no higher law than our Constitution.
I'm not sure I understand what you just said. . . . but if you mean what I think you mean . . . you are saying there are no laws of Nature?
Man had to create laws because we refuse to follow the laws of nature.
Nature created no LAWS so the peoples book is out of step with the Natural Creatot GOD which means, there is no higher law than our Constitution.
I'm not sure I understand what you just said. . . . but if you mean what I think you mean . . . you are saying there are no laws of Nature?
Man had to create laws because we refuse to follow the laws of nature.
When choosing between two evils, I always like to take the one I've never tried before.
Mae West
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Mike CT wrote: To all
The bible was written by people. The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people). The current Christian preachers today are just people portraying themselves as the higher law.
The Natural GOD did not write the bible, write the Roman dogma or motivates the current selfstyled higher law promoters.
Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives.
So on behalf of these men, I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.
Mike CT
So the bible was written by people....and...The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people).
"Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives." (PEOPLE TOO I might add)
Why did the colonist first come to America Mike?
Was it for a little R&R? Was it to visit a few old friends.......... Naw neither it was to get away from religious persecution.......... They wanted to worship how they wanted to worship.
My (your) country was founded on christian principals........... now get over it.....
The bible was written by people. The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people). The current Christian preachers today are just people portraying themselves as the higher law.
The Natural GOD did not write the bible, write the Roman dogma or motivates the current selfstyled higher law promoters.
Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives.
So on behalf of these men, I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.
Mike CT
So the bible was written by people....and...The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people).
"Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives." (PEOPLE TOO I might add)
Why did the colonist first come to America Mike?
Was it for a little R&R? Was it to visit a few old friends.......... Naw neither it was to get away from religious persecution.......... They wanted to worship how they wanted to worship.
My (your) country was founded on christian principals........... now get over it.....
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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I'm not sure I understand what you just said. . . . but if you mean what I think you mean . . . you are saying there are no laws of Nature?
Man had to create laws because we refuse to follow the laws of nature.
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My reference is to the biological Nature, not the physical nature which does follow laws of physics.
People had to create laws to protect ourselves from the predators within our society which in our case was a king. Of course, it also includes the lower predators as well.
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So the bible was written by people....and...The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people).
"Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives." (PEOPLE TOO I might add)
Why did the colonist first come to America Mike?
Was it for a little R&R? Was it to visit a few old friends.......... Naw neither it was to get away from religious persecution.......... They wanted to worship how they wanted to worship.
My (your) country was founded on christian principals........... now get over it.....
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We are being troubled with intimidation now as I wrote above. They not only invade the public arena but are also intimidating corporations as well.
The thing that our country was founded on was the invention of the 'gun and cannon' that enabled us to take over this territory.
Mike CT
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I'm not sure I understand what you just said. . . . but if you mean what I think you mean . . . you are saying there are no laws of Nature?
Man had to create laws because we refuse to follow the laws of nature.
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My reference is to the biological Nature, not the physical nature which does follow laws of physics.
People had to create laws to protect ourselves from the predators within our society which in our case was a king. Of course, it also includes the lower predators as well.
BTS quote
So the bible was written by people....and...The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people).
"Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives." (PEOPLE TOO I might add)
Why did the colonist first come to America Mike?
Was it for a little R&R? Was it to visit a few old friends.......... Naw neither it was to get away from religious persecution.......... They wanted to worship how they wanted to worship.
My (your) country was founded on christian principals........... now get over it.....
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We are being troubled with intimidation now as I wrote above. They not only invade the public arena but are also intimidating corporations as well.
The thing that our country was founded on was the invention of the 'gun and cannon' that enabled us to take over this territory.
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I respect anybody who feels strongly enough about a thing to make a public call to action, whether I agree with it or not. God bless America.
Mike, go back and read your own words. You are a bigot. You are bigoted against Christians, possibly to the point of being paranoid. Own that, and you can move forward more quickly.
As for the rest, we can't have freedom without balance. There is nothing wrong with having religious people in charge. No one is forcing you or any other citizen to go to church. We as citizens have no right to force churchgoing people to pray in private; that's restricting their right of free speech & worship.
The Ten Commandments are a foundation of our history, just as the other religious symbols plastered all over our money are. Acknowledging our history does nothing toward restricting freedom. Denying it does.
Balance, Mike. Just as Nature intended.
I realize you can read this as my making fun of you and/or your beliefs. You can also read this as I intend. I don't pretend to believe as you do, but I do respect your right to believe it. I am simply trying to be empathetic and frame this opinion/recommendation in a form you may accept.
Mike, go back and read your own words. You are a bigot. You are bigoted against Christians, possibly to the point of being paranoid. Own that, and you can move forward more quickly.
As for the rest, we can't have freedom without balance. There is nothing wrong with having religious people in charge. No one is forcing you or any other citizen to go to church. We as citizens have no right to force churchgoing people to pray in private; that's restricting their right of free speech & worship.
The Ten Commandments are a foundation of our history, just as the other religious symbols plastered all over our money are. Acknowledging our history does nothing toward restricting freedom. Denying it does.
Balance, Mike. Just as Nature intended.
I realize you can read this as my making fun of you and/or your beliefs. You can also read this as I intend. I don't pretend to believe as you do, but I do respect your right to believe it. I am simply trying to be empathetic and frame this opinion/recommendation in a form you may accept.
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Mike CT wrote:
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We are being troubled with intimidation now as I wrote above. They not only invade the public arena but are also intimidating corporations as well.
The thing that our country was founded on was the invention of the 'gun and cannon' that enabled us to take over this territory.
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Mike CT wrote: It is about time we fought back to keep them in their place which is the religious institutions and their homes.
They are acting illegally when they enter into politics and the public school systems.__________________
So we (Americans) should only be allowed to worship in our homes and religious institutions? We can not be in the public arena?
So tell us all, who are these poor corporations that the raskally zealots are intimidating?
God fearing Americans do not have the right to petition or the right to free speech?
Remember the Constitution states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;....."
Does it say only in the home? Only in a church? If so show me where. I know you would like to see it pushed underground outa site but it ain't gonna happen today or tomorrow......EVER.
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We are being troubled with intimidation now as I wrote above. They not only invade the public arena but are also intimidating corporations as well.
The thing that our country was founded on was the invention of the 'gun and cannon' that enabled us to take over this territory.
Mike CT
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Mike CT wrote: It is about time we fought back to keep them in their place which is the religious institutions and their homes.
They are acting illegally when they enter into politics and the public school systems.__________________
So we (Americans) should only be allowed to worship in our homes and religious institutions? We can not be in the public arena?
So tell us all, who are these poor corporations that the raskally zealots are intimidating?
God fearing Americans do not have the right to petition or the right to free speech?
Remember the Constitution states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;....."
Does it say only in the home? Only in a church? If so show me where. I know you would like to see it pushed underground outa site but it ain't gonna happen today or tomorrow......EVER.
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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Mike CT wrote: To all
The bible was written by people. The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people). The current Christian preachers today are just people portraying themselves as the higher law.The Natural GOD did not write the bible, write the Roman dogma or motivates the current selfstyled higher law promoters.
Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives.
So on behalf of these men, I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.
Mike CT
I really hope you are referring to preachers you know personally. For my dad, the one who helped produce ME, is not or does not or portray himself as being the "HIGHER LAW", so I take that VERY OFFENSIVE! Second, our constitution was written AFTER God gave us the ten commandments! You may be having an internal battle between good and evil inside you at this time and I will make sure I pray that God will show you the CORRECT path to take and save your soul from damnation. :-6
The bible was written by people. The Roman dogma was written by the popes (people). The current Christian preachers today are just people portraying themselves as the higher law.The Natural GOD did not write the bible, write the Roman dogma or motivates the current selfstyled higher law promoters.
Our Constitution was written over the sactrifice of thousands of revolutionaries that fought for a right to govern their own lives.
So on behalf of these men, I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in the land. There is NO higher law.
Mike CT
I really hope you are referring to preachers you know personally. For my dad, the one who helped produce ME, is not or does not or portray himself as being the "HIGHER LAW", so I take that VERY OFFENSIVE! Second, our constitution was written AFTER God gave us the ten commandments! You may be having an internal battle between good and evil inside you at this time and I will make sure I pray that God will show you the CORRECT path to take and save your soul from damnation. :-6
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To all
I posted my article to inform all citizens that religious encroachment is happening.
That they are out to outlaw abortion, volentary euthanasis, the Evolution theory and other such secular freedoms and scientific opinions.
Currently, one religious organiztion is waging war on gays. Ha Ha.
They made a corporation quit advertising their product in a gay magazine. Ha Ha.
I do not endorse the gay lifestyle but these are not criminals. They have jobs and pay taxes. These religious organizations DO NOT pay taxes. So they are not a credit to our government treasury. Better they should be attacking the rapists and pedophiles who are criminals.
I am not a bigot out to eliminate religion. There are many outlets for them to reach the people like television where there are many sermonizing preachers.
Mike CT
I posted my article to inform all citizens that religious encroachment is happening.
That they are out to outlaw abortion, volentary euthanasis, the Evolution theory and other such secular freedoms and scientific opinions.
Currently, one religious organiztion is waging war on gays. Ha Ha.
They made a corporation quit advertising their product in a gay magazine. Ha Ha.
I do not endorse the gay lifestyle but these are not criminals. They have jobs and pay taxes. These religious organizations DO NOT pay taxes. So they are not a credit to our government treasury. Better they should be attacking the rapists and pedophiles who are criminals.
I am not a bigot out to eliminate religion. There are many outlets for them to reach the people like television where there are many sermonizing preachers.
Mike CT
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Mike CT wrote: Currently, one religious organiztion is waging war on gays. Ha Ha.
They made a corporation quit advertising their product in a gay magazine. Ha Ha.
Mike, if you don't mind a piece of constructive criticism, the 'Ha Ha's don't enhance your position. Are you serious or joking?
There is a difference of opinion even among those with no religious affiliation regarding the issues you have mentioned. Certain atheists, for example, have been trying to influence legislation for years.
And by the way, my earlier reference to the Nazi regime was not intended as a personal affront to you. Anyone who knows the history of that era knows that people were put to death for nothing worse than publically - in some cases even privately - criticizing Hitler and his government. That is the legacy of deifying civil government as you seem to be doing.
I'm an American and I love my native land. I've also lived in three other countries, and they are all fine countries too, but America is unique in many ways. One of America's greatest freedoms is the freedom to criticize and disagree with the governemt. This is especially important at times like the present when evil people are in charge.
They made a corporation quit advertising their product in a gay magazine. Ha Ha.
Mike, if you don't mind a piece of constructive criticism, the 'Ha Ha's don't enhance your position. Are you serious or joking?
There is a difference of opinion even among those with no religious affiliation regarding the issues you have mentioned. Certain atheists, for example, have been trying to influence legislation for years.
And by the way, my earlier reference to the Nazi regime was not intended as a personal affront to you. Anyone who knows the history of that era knows that people were put to death for nothing worse than publically - in some cases even privately - criticizing Hitler and his government. That is the legacy of deifying civil government as you seem to be doing.
I'm an American and I love my native land. I've also lived in three other countries, and they are all fine countries too, but America is unique in many ways. One of America's greatest freedoms is the freedom to criticize and disagree with the governemt. This is especially important at times like the present when evil people are in charge.
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I'm an American and I love my native land. I've also lived in three other countries, and they are all fine countries too, but America is unique in many ways. One of America's greatest freedoms is the freedom to criticize and disagree with the governemt. This is especially important at times like the present when evil people are in charge.
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I am glad you appreciate our country. The trouble is that everybody is criticizing our government and nobody is critizising the religions or the corporations which do not believe in a Constitutional government but a higher authority which is themselves.
Yes, Hitler was an evil spirit but it was a karmic spirit reacting to the Joseph Stalin atrocities which were greater that Hitlers by a ratio of about 4 or 5 to one.
The obvious nature of Hitler tells me that he was an angry man. On the other hand, Stalin was a cold blooded killer who also was a power grabber with no other motive than to entrench himself in that position.
I do not like to be a spokesman on behalf of Hitler but my opinion is that the bible is the whole problem. It teaches the concept of 'genocide' so the blame would have to be placed there since the bible is so widely accepted.
That is why I promote Nature as GOD.
When the people direct their attention to the greed of the religions and corporations, than maybe we can restore our democracy as it should function.
Mike CT
I'm an American and I love my native land. I've also lived in three other countries, and they are all fine countries too, but America is unique in many ways. One of America's greatest freedoms is the freedom to criticize and disagree with the governemt. This is especially important at times like the present when evil people are in charge.
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I am glad you appreciate our country. The trouble is that everybody is criticizing our government and nobody is critizising the religions or the corporations which do not believe in a Constitutional government but a higher authority which is themselves.
Yes, Hitler was an evil spirit but it was a karmic spirit reacting to the Joseph Stalin atrocities which were greater that Hitlers by a ratio of about 4 or 5 to one.
The obvious nature of Hitler tells me that he was an angry man. On the other hand, Stalin was a cold blooded killer who also was a power grabber with no other motive than to entrench himself in that position.
I do not like to be a spokesman on behalf of Hitler but my opinion is that the bible is the whole problem. It teaches the concept of 'genocide' so the blame would have to be placed there since the bible is so widely accepted.
That is why I promote Nature as GOD.
When the people direct their attention to the greed of the religions and corporations, than maybe we can restore our democracy as it should function.
Mike CT
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wow.. I have really tried to follow this thread, but the more I read Mr. Mikes comments.. the more I laugh..
I especially enjoyed the Hitler/Stalin comments.. hilarious.. I mean saying the the bible is the basis for genocidal activities by both of those madmen is beyond comprehension..
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Good luck Mike..
perhaps if you make a rational post I will reply
Until then. .I will just laugh and laugh..
I especially enjoyed the Hitler/Stalin comments.. hilarious.. I mean saying the the bible is the basis for genocidal activities by both of those madmen is beyond comprehension..
Anyway..
Good luck Mike..
perhaps if you make a rational post I will reply
Until then. .I will just laugh and laugh..
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To grey and Arnold
Well, the bible does teach genocide.
There were 3 to 4 such punishments directed toward the Jews by their deity.
And I do believe in 'karma'
Although the punishments in the bible were a bit 'overdone'. This must have been a really evil deity.
Mike CT
Well, the bible does teach genocide.
There were 3 to 4 such punishments directed toward the Jews by their deity.
And I do believe in 'karma'
Although the punishments in the bible were a bit 'overdone'. This must have been a really evil deity.
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Well Mike
Since I am not a biblical scholar, would you mind providing me with chapter and verse concerning the Jewish diety and the genocidal activities...
Since I am not a biblical scholar, would you mind providing me with chapter and verse concerning the Jewish diety and the genocidal activities...
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Um, Noah's flood was pretty genocidal. :-3
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Numbers 31 apparently shows God as approving of war crimes. It seems pretty clear. In one of the Psalms, I forget which one at the moment, God gives permission to dash the babies' brains out on the rocks. The Bible can be a rather viscious book if one takes it literaly.
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To Grey and Arnold
There were 3 or 4 incidents of genocide ordered by their deity, such as for disobedience of the Lord for complaining about the 'nomadic' existence, worshipping a golden calf, mixing with other woman than their own and other such violations
To point to the exact texts requires reseach that takes time. I cannot recall the exact places in the bible but they did happen.
Mike CT
There were 3 or 4 incidents of genocide ordered by their deity, such as for disobedience of the Lord for complaining about the 'nomadic' existence, worshipping a golden calf, mixing with other woman than their own and other such violations
To point to the exact texts requires reseach that takes time. I cannot recall the exact places in the bible but they did happen.
Mike CT
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Mike CT wrote: 1. The trouble is that everybody is criticizing our government...
2. ...and nobody is critizising the religions or the corporations which do not believe in a Constitutional government but a higher authority which is themselves.
3. Stalin was a cold blooded killer...
4. ...with no other motive than to entrench himself in that position.
5. ...my opinion is that the bible is the whole problem. It teaches the concept of 'genocide' so the blame would have to be placed there since the bible is so widely accepted.
6. That is why I promote Nature as GOD.
7. When the people direct their attention to the greed of the religions and corporations, than maybe we can restore our democracy as it should function.Mike, slow down, take a drink of water, you are all over the place here.
1. EVERYBODY isn't doing so, but lots of people are, especially in view of the current corrupt leadership, which has destroyed an entire nation so that arch-criminals like the Vice President can make additional BILLIONS of dollars rebuilding it. If that doesn't deserve criticism, I don't know what does.
2. That's not true either. Lots of people, including yourself, criticize both. Your biggest mistake here, though, is lumping together religion and the corporations. It's the government and the corporations who are inseparable.
3. Here you are correct.
4. Here you are incorrect. His prime motive was to rescue his people from feudalism and lead them into the XXth century as a great world power, which he did. That he mudered millions in the process is a fact of history and not in dispute.
5. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the things you're referring to are about 1/1000 of one percent of what is in the Bible. You should read it some time.
6. Fine. So go pray to a tree. In America you have a right to do that; let's hope it stays that way.
7. Well, of course you are right about the corporations, but again, the corporations are the true government, the real power governing the country. I don't see much greed in religion except in the case of charlatans like the various TV 'evangelists'.
I think you have presented some valid ideas here, but they have not been very well organized.
2. ...and nobody is critizising the religions or the corporations which do not believe in a Constitutional government but a higher authority which is themselves.
3. Stalin was a cold blooded killer...
4. ...with no other motive than to entrench himself in that position.
5. ...my opinion is that the bible is the whole problem. It teaches the concept of 'genocide' so the blame would have to be placed there since the bible is so widely accepted.
6. That is why I promote Nature as GOD.
7. When the people direct their attention to the greed of the religions and corporations, than maybe we can restore our democracy as it should function.Mike, slow down, take a drink of water, you are all over the place here.
1. EVERYBODY isn't doing so, but lots of people are, especially in view of the current corrupt leadership, which has destroyed an entire nation so that arch-criminals like the Vice President can make additional BILLIONS of dollars rebuilding it. If that doesn't deserve criticism, I don't know what does.
2. That's not true either. Lots of people, including yourself, criticize both. Your biggest mistake here, though, is lumping together religion and the corporations. It's the government and the corporations who are inseparable.
3. Here you are correct.
4. Here you are incorrect. His prime motive was to rescue his people from feudalism and lead them into the XXth century as a great world power, which he did. That he mudered millions in the process is a fact of history and not in dispute.
5. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the things you're referring to are about 1/1000 of one percent of what is in the Bible. You should read it some time.
6. Fine. So go pray to a tree. In America you have a right to do that; let's hope it stays that way.
7. Well, of course you are right about the corporations, but again, the corporations are the true government, the real power governing the country. I don't see much greed in religion except in the case of charlatans like the various TV 'evangelists'.
I think you have presented some valid ideas here, but they have not been very well organized.
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Bronwen, Far Rider and JAB
Thank you for your comments.
The most recent Schiavo(?) incident in Florida that involved the republican government and was 'slapped down' by the public reaction, the income tax reduction for the wealthy started by John Kennedy and has escalated to to create billionaires by the tousands now, the Christian Coalitions attacks on our freedoms and invasion of the public sector and lastly, portraying Christ as a victim rather than a reformer are the resons (plus other) for me to direct the religious faction to promote Christs Gospel instead of portraying all people as sinners and destined to the damnation of hell.
Ha Ha.
Mike CT
Thank you for your comments.
The most recent Schiavo(?) incident in Florida that involved the republican government and was 'slapped down' by the public reaction, the income tax reduction for the wealthy started by John Kennedy and has escalated to to create billionaires by the tousands now, the Christian Coalitions attacks on our freedoms and invasion of the public sector and lastly, portraying Christ as a victim rather than a reformer are the resons (plus other) for me to direct the religious faction to promote Christs Gospel instead of portraying all people as sinners and destined to the damnation of hell.
Ha Ha.
Mike CT
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Mike, This is the last time im going to waste type on you... I asked you how its changed your daily life PRACTICALLY. Get it I want to know what freedoms the religious right has taken from YOU!
Reply……I am not thinking about myself. I am a Democrat, not a republican. I mentioned the issues above.
FR
What denomination of church do you attend?
Reply……Natures church which is the Natural parks where I go during the summers.
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So because of all these 'transgressions', we're supposed to disavow Christianity and turn to a Constitutional state, is that it?
Reply…….You do not have to abandon your religion. Just keep it private like your institution and home.
JAB
Do you really believe it was only Republican Christians that felt Terri Schiavo should not be removed from life support?
Reply…….Well no. The popes followers could also have been involved.
JAB
Do you really believe tax cuts alone created billionaires? And since the tax laws are written and enforced by a Congress mandated by the Constitution, this is wrong/illegal how?
Reply…..The Constitution mandates taxing the citizens. There were about 6 billionaires when the top rate was 70%. After it was whittled down to 35% and the world market was also opened up to the corporations, those two legalities could have been the main contributers to the inflation.
JAB
The Christian Coalition has been invading the public sector for some time now. If the influence they hold over our elected officials turns you off, vote the buggers out of office.
Reply…..Robertson ran for president once and he flunked out. But religion is only one issue. When the republicans (Bush) started promoting ‘tax rebates’ the voters decided that was a more important issue. Bribery?
JAB
Do you really believe Christ is being portrayed as a victim? This defies belief and isn't even worthy of a comment.
Reply…..What do you think that crucifix promotes? And the pope is promoting ‘suffering’. Mother Theresa said that it is good for you. Ha Ha.
JAB
And I repeat a comment a previous poster made; your addition of HaHa just trivializes any comment you make. Are you yourself perhaps laughing at your own comments?
Reply…..well yes. Ha Ha.
Mike CT
Mike, This is the last time im going to waste type on you... I asked you how its changed your daily life PRACTICALLY. Get it I want to know what freedoms the religious right has taken from YOU!
Reply……I am not thinking about myself. I am a Democrat, not a republican. I mentioned the issues above.
FR
What denomination of church do you attend?
Reply……Natures church which is the Natural parks where I go during the summers.
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So because of all these 'transgressions', we're supposed to disavow Christianity and turn to a Constitutional state, is that it?
Reply…….You do not have to abandon your religion. Just keep it private like your institution and home.
JAB
Do you really believe it was only Republican Christians that felt Terri Schiavo should not be removed from life support?
Reply…….Well no. The popes followers could also have been involved.
JAB
Do you really believe tax cuts alone created billionaires? And since the tax laws are written and enforced by a Congress mandated by the Constitution, this is wrong/illegal how?
Reply…..The Constitution mandates taxing the citizens. There were about 6 billionaires when the top rate was 70%. After it was whittled down to 35% and the world market was also opened up to the corporations, those two legalities could have been the main contributers to the inflation.
JAB
The Christian Coalition has been invading the public sector for some time now. If the influence they hold over our elected officials turns you off, vote the buggers out of office.
Reply…..Robertson ran for president once and he flunked out. But religion is only one issue. When the republicans (Bush) started promoting ‘tax rebates’ the voters decided that was a more important issue. Bribery?
JAB
Do you really believe Christ is being portrayed as a victim? This defies belief and isn't even worthy of a comment.
Reply…..What do you think that crucifix promotes? And the pope is promoting ‘suffering’. Mother Theresa said that it is good for you. Ha Ha.
JAB
And I repeat a comment a previous poster made; your addition of HaHa just trivializes any comment you make. Are you yourself perhaps laughing at your own comments?
Reply…..well yes. Ha Ha.
Mike CT
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greydeadhead wrote: wow.. I have really tried to follow this thread, but the more I read Mr. Mikes comments.. the more I laugh..
I especially enjoyed the Hitler/Stalin comments.. hilarious.. I mean saying the the bible is the basis for genocidal activities by both of those madmen is beyond comprehension..
Anyway..
Good luck Mike..
perhaps if you make a rational post I will reply
Until then. .I will just laugh and laugh..
I will just laugh and laugh.....
Me Too:wah: :yh_monkey
I especially enjoyed the Hitler/Stalin comments.. hilarious.. I mean saying the the bible is the basis for genocidal activities by both of those madmen is beyond comprehension..
Anyway..
Good luck Mike..
perhaps if you make a rational post I will reply
Until then. .I will just laugh and laugh..
I will just laugh and laugh.....
Me Too:wah:
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The only time a crucifix should be displayed in a church is during easter. Otherwise the church should have an empty cross in a prominent location. The empty cross is a symbol of ultimate victory.
Liturgically it does not make sense to have the crucifix on display at any other time of the Christian year.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Liturgically it does not make sense to have the crucifix on display at any other time of the Christian year.
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To Grey and BTS
Did not that statement I quoted about Mother Theresa saying "suffering is good for you" seem funny? Who believes in that?
To Ted
The cross is a pagan invention of the Romans. It does not belong in a Christian church regardless of what it represents. The emphasis should not be put on the death of Christ but his teachings.
Mike CT
Did not that statement I quoted about Mother Theresa saying "suffering is good for you" seem funny? Who believes in that?
To Ted
The cross is a pagan invention of the Romans. It does not belong in a Christian church regardless of what it represents. The emphasis should not be put on the death of Christ but his teachings.
Mike CT
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Ted wrote: The only time a crucifix should be displayed in a church is during easter. Otherwise the church should have an empty cross in a prominent location. The empty cross is a symbol of ultimate victory.
Liturgically it does not make sense to have the crucifix on display at any other time of the Christian year.Ted, you are, of course, like all of us, entitled to your opinion. Since the crucifix is used mostly by Roman Catholics (and possibly Eastern Orthodox), by what authority do you presume to dictate to them what should be displayed in their Churches and when?
The crucifix is the visual depiction of Christ's atoning sacrifice. Since victims of crucifixion were, as far as I know, removed from the crosses and buried, an empty cross signifies very little. The symbol of Christ's victory over death would be the empty tomb.
Liturgically it does not make sense to have the crucifix on display at any other time of the Christian year.Ted, you are, of course, like all of us, entitled to your opinion. Since the crucifix is used mostly by Roman Catholics (and possibly Eastern Orthodox), by what authority do you presume to dictate to them what should be displayed in their Churches and when?
The crucifix is the visual depiction of Christ's atoning sacrifice. Since victims of crucifixion were, as far as I know, removed from the crosses and buried, an empty cross signifies very little. The symbol of Christ's victory over death would be the empty tomb.
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To Mike...
No I don't think it is funny at all. I think Mother Teresa was just saying that humility is good for you.. not suffering physical pain. Your statement just goes to prove that you are lacking in humility and compassion... to key traits to being a complete person.
And no.. I am not overly religious.. in fact I haven't be to a church in years.. and I am far from perfect in my views and actions.. but I do try to be compassionate and understanding of the less fortunate..
No I don't think it is funny at all. I think Mother Teresa was just saying that humility is good for you.. not suffering physical pain. Your statement just goes to prove that you are lacking in humility and compassion... to key traits to being a complete person.
And no.. I am not overly religious.. in fact I haven't be to a church in years.. and I am far from perfect in my views and actions.. but I do try to be compassionate and understanding of the less fortunate..
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Read my comment to Ted in regards to the crucifix..
"Suffering" can also be interpreted as walking in the shoes of those who are less fortunate than you. Would it really hurt each of us to be humbled a bit and say 'there but for the grace of God go I'?
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I recommend you get a par of shoes that are more comfortable.
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No I don't think it is funny at all. I think Mother Teresa was just saying that humility is good for you.. not suffering physical pain. Your statement just goes to prove that you are lacking in humility and compassion... to key traits to being a complete person.
And no.. I am not overly religious.. in fact I haven't be to a church in years.. and I am far from perfect in my views and actions.. but I do try to be compassionate and understanding of the less fortunate..
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I am a humble person and I do have compassion for God’s Nature. That is why I am a Vegan (no animal products in my diet).
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And yet our constitution was written by what? Yogi and booboo?
I guess that I'm missing the whole point to this discussion...
Are ya thinking folks aren't critical enough of religion? Of course they are sugar.. you're just confused by the fact that they don't care what you think, anymore then you care what they think. Each of you thinks the other needs to see reason... I think that all the fanatics pro and con on any of these wide vague issues, needs to get a life!
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Yes, you are missing the point of this discussion.
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The question here is which is the ‘higher law’? Our Constitution or the ‘popes dogma’?
I am a loyal patriot of our Constitution and GOD’s living icons which are the living organisms out there enjoying the freedom that they were given in the beginning. The Natural GOD made no laws so I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in our country.
My compassion is for the salvation of these living icons.
I would like to close this out with a little humor:
EUREKA! I have discovered the reason why people prefer meat to a natural diet. According to the bible, eating fruit is a sin (tree of knowledge?).
Mike CT
Read my comment to Ted in regards to the crucifix..
"Suffering" can also be interpreted as walking in the shoes of those who are less fortunate than you. Would it really hurt each of us to be humbled a bit and say 'there but for the grace of God go I'?
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I recommend you get a par of shoes that are more comfortable.
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No I don't think it is funny at all. I think Mother Teresa was just saying that humility is good for you.. not suffering physical pain. Your statement just goes to prove that you are lacking in humility and compassion... to key traits to being a complete person.
And no.. I am not overly religious.. in fact I haven't be to a church in years.. and I am far from perfect in my views and actions.. but I do try to be compassionate and understanding of the less fortunate..
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I am a humble person and I do have compassion for God’s Nature. That is why I am a Vegan (no animal products in my diet).
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And yet our constitution was written by what? Yogi and booboo?
I guess that I'm missing the whole point to this discussion...
Are ya thinking folks aren't critical enough of religion? Of course they are sugar.. you're just confused by the fact that they don't care what you think, anymore then you care what they think. Each of you thinks the other needs to see reason... I think that all the fanatics pro and con on any of these wide vague issues, needs to get a life!
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Yes, you are missing the point of this discussion.
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The question here is which is the ‘higher law’? Our Constitution or the ‘popes dogma’?
I am a loyal patriot of our Constitution and GOD’s living icons which are the living organisms out there enjoying the freedom that they were given in the beginning. The Natural GOD made no laws so I consider our Constitution to be the highest law in our country.
My compassion is for the salvation of these living icons.
I would like to close this out with a little humor:
EUREKA! I have discovered the reason why people prefer meat to a natural diet. According to the bible, eating fruit is a sin (tree of knowledge?).
Mike CT
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Okay.. I give up..
vegans are humble and compassionate.. towards animals.. but what about other people.. or don't they rate in your world..
vegans are humble and compassionate.. towards animals.. but what about other people.. or don't they rate in your world..
Feed your spirit by living near it -- Magic Hat Brewery bottle cap
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JAB/Bronwen:-6
First of all I dictate to no one. I give my opinion mostly based on a lot of scholarship done by many exceptional people of the church. Among them several Roman Catholic scholars.
If we look at the liturgical year or calendar we find that at different times of the year we give emphasis to various persons and actions that have had significant impact on the church.
It is good and correct to remember the crucified Christ all the time but most expecially at Easter. However, we do not worship a dead Jesus we worship the Risen Christ. Down through the centuries in many churches the empty cross has come to signify the risen One and the significance of this as a victory. And yes an empty tomb would also be a good symbol. The empty cross however has become the main symbol of the Risen One.
Since the liturgical calendar was developed by the church and we generally follow it it would seem to me to be inappropriate to have the crucifix on the wall at , say Christmas time when we celebrate the birth of our Lord..
I have discussed this with two theologians and they were both in agreement. This does not set it in concrete but does show that I am not alone in this thinking and that some scholars are of the same opinion.
May we receive the Prince of Peace in all his glory.
Shalom
Ted:-6
First of all I dictate to no one. I give my opinion mostly based on a lot of scholarship done by many exceptional people of the church. Among them several Roman Catholic scholars.
If we look at the liturgical year or calendar we find that at different times of the year we give emphasis to various persons and actions that have had significant impact on the church.
It is good and correct to remember the crucified Christ all the time but most expecially at Easter. However, we do not worship a dead Jesus we worship the Risen Christ. Down through the centuries in many churches the empty cross has come to signify the risen One and the significance of this as a victory. And yes an empty tomb would also be a good symbol. The empty cross however has become the main symbol of the Risen One.
Since the liturgical calendar was developed by the church and we generally follow it it would seem to me to be inappropriate to have the crucifix on the wall at , say Christmas time when we celebrate the birth of our Lord..
I have discussed this with two theologians and they were both in agreement. This does not set it in concrete but does show that I am not alone in this thinking and that some scholars are of the same opinion.
May we receive the Prince of Peace in all his glory.
Shalom
Ted:-6