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Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.

xfrodobagginsx;1493097 wrote: Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.


Why?

Fuzzy;1493129 wrote: Why?


Because he's getting desperate for anyone to take any notice of him.

Bored. Some good points.

FourPart;1493141 wrote: Because he's getting desperate for anyone to take any notice of him.


No, it's for those who are clicking on this thread who haven't yet read the original post.

xfrodobagginsx;1493349 wrote: No, it's for those who are clicking on this thread who haven't yet read the original post.
No, it's because you're desperate for anyone to take the original post seriously, when it's been a joke from the start. Just look at the so called 'poll' you put there. That's as unbiased as "Are you still beating your wife?". Even so, look at the results. An overwhelming "No". Doesn't that tell you something about how seriously anyone's taking you?

Never give up hope, xfrod. One day you'll get another 'yes'.

Fuzzy;1493385 wrote: Never give up hope, xfrod. One day you'll get another 'yes'.


But he's only allowed to vote once - even on his own poll.

FourPart;1493388 wrote: But he's only allowed to vote once - even on his own poll.


Yes of course. I meant another 'yes' by a new member.

Well, Frodo, ARE you still beating your wife?

FourPart;1493353 wrote: No, it's because you're desperate for anyone to take the original post seriously, when it's been a joke from the start. Just look at the so called 'poll' you put there. That's as unbiased as "Are you still beating your wife?". Even so, look at the results. An overwhelming "No". Doesn't that tell you something about how seriously anyone's taking you?


It's not my job to convert people. It's my job to tell people so that they can make their own choice. I have sites where I get a lot of yes votes and I have others where I don't. Either way, the Gospel goes out. I hope those here will change their mind.

xfrodobagginsx;1493478 wrote: It's not my job to convert people. It's my job to tell people so that they can make their own choice. I have sites where I get a lot of yes votes and I have others where I don't. Either way, the Gospel goes out. I hope those here will change their mind.


Careful what you ask for. If there were to be any mind changes you'd end up with zero 'YES' votes.

Do you think beating slaves and wives should still be practiced or do you think it should be removed from the bible like so many other things that have been removed or changed by rulers of the past?

Fuzzy;1493489 wrote: Careful what you ask for. If there were to be any mind changes you'd end up with zero 'YES' votes.

Do you think beating slaves and wives should still be practiced or do you think it should be removed from the bible like so many other things that have been removed or changed by rulers of the past?


The Bible hasn't been changed. Secondly, show me where it says to beat your wife or slave.

FourPart;1493406 wrote: Well, Frodo, ARE you still beating your wife?


I would never beat my wife. Try again.

xfrodobagginsx;1493533 wrote: The Bible hasn't been changed. Secondly, show me where it says to beat your wife or slave.


Try Exodus 21:20-21 about slave beating.

The beating of wives, it seems, is not condoned in the bible.

Fuzzy;1493571 wrote: Try Exodus 21:20-21 about slave beating.

The beating of wives, it seems, is not condoned in the bible.


Not in so many words, perhaps:

Ephesians 5:22-24

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

FourPart;1493619 wrote: Not in so many words, perhaps:

Ephesians 5:22-24

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.


Not in any words...

xfrodobagginsx;1493659 wrote: Not in any words...


So, no doubt, you agree with what the Bible tells you, that women must remain submissive & subservient to men?

Tell me something, xfrodo. The two 'yes' votes, are you and your wife responsible for them?

FourPart;1493682 wrote: So, no doubt, you agree with what the Bible tells you, that women must remain submissive & subservient to men?


Of course a woman should submit to her husband. It's the way that God designed it to be. You can't both be in charge. The woman's movement is also talked about in the Bible that it would happen in the last days: 2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

I really don't believe you just admitted to that.

:yh_rotfl

FourPart;1493785 wrote: I really don't believe you just admitted to that.

:yh_rotfl


Why? It's the way it had always been until after WWII when the women began working. Now look at the problems we have as a result of men and women working together. Divorce rates are through the roof!! Broken families. Single parents.

xfrodobagginsx;1493793 wrote: Why? It's the way it had always been until after WWII when the women began working. Now look at the problems we have as a result of men and women working together. Divorce rates are through the roof!! Broken families. Single parents.


I really don't believe you just said that.:-2

Fuzzy;1493796 wrote: I really don't believe you just said that.:-2


Well I did and I meant it. God's way is the best way and people are happier when they do things His way. That doesn't mean that women should never work, but as a rule, it's too bad that they can't stay home with the kids like they used to in the good o'l days if they want to. It's too difficult financially these days for a woman to do that most of the time.

And beat your slaves regularly. They will be happier for it.

I was saved when I was 4. I was raised in church, but the churches that I attended were what I would consider legalistic. When I turned 18 I stopped going due to the legalism. As I remained out of God's will, I became more and more miserable. I tried to return to the Lord, but circumstances were as though the Lord wasn't going to allow that yet. He wanted to teach me something. The Lord never left me, but I felt like He was a million miles away at times. I went to college, but everything and I mean everything, Job, school, ect. all went against me. Nothing would work out for me. Way too many details to tell, but basically I felt like I had a curse on my life. I actually came to the point of suicide. I became so very hardened by just a ton of abuse that had happened to me. I told the Lord that if things didn't change, I was going to end it all. I could feel Him standing over me and lift His mighty hand away, just little. I met my wife and got married, had kids. On 9-9-2001 I turned 30. Two days later was 9-11, when the Twin Towers were attacked. I realized that the Lord was coming soon and did not want to remain where I was. He had already been dealing with me for a few years prior, but now it was time to go back. I searched for a church and visited one that was very legalistic. I filled out the visitor's card and they came out to visit on a wed. They asked me to come back. I said "How do I know that this is the church that God want's me to go to"? The man said "have you asked Him" I said "no" He said "Why don't you pray and ask Him and we'll get going". I prayed half heartedly for the Lord to let me know if that was where He wanted me.

That night, about midnight, I laid in my bed, my wife facing the opposite way. I was thinking about whether I wanted to go back there or not and decided, No, I was not going to go back there. The very Moment that I made my decision, I felt God's Holy Spirit begin to slowly move through my wall and hover over my chest. He was in the form of a cloud. I felt His eyes look directly into mine and say "I want you to go back to that church" in a very mild, meek, soft voice, yet without any sound. It was crystal clear. I said "Ok, Lord, if that's where you want me to go I'll go back there. If that's what you want me to do I'll go back to that church". Then I broke down and told Him that I was sorry for my sins and that I would serve Him from now on. I had big issue with the pastor of that church. He was a very strict, breathe down your neck type of a person, yet God used him in my life. He discipled me and taught me how to do the music. The Lord kept opening doors there to serve in a huge way. They had a tract ministry there where they printed up millions of gospel tracts and a booklet called "The Baptist Bread". It's similar to "The Daily Bread".

xfrodobagginsx;1494171 wrote:


At least there is something we have in common. Another from the stable of Rutter.

Although I may be opposed to Religion I do enjoy a lot of Religious Music, and have even been known to write, arrange, publish & sell a few of my own.

This is one from Libera. I was fortunate enough to be able to get to one of their concerts last year at Christchurch Priory, and I may even change my shifts next month to go to another of their concerts when they're even closer to me, performing in Romsey Abbey next month.

Well, I am certainly not a Mormon.

FourPart;1494178 wrote: At least there is something we have in common. Another from the stable of Rutter.

Although I may be opposed to Religion I do enjoy a lot of Religious Music, and have even been known to write, arrange, publish & sell a few of my own.

This is one from Libera. I was fortunate enough to be able to get to one of their concerts last year at Christchurch Priory, and I may even change my shifts next month to go to another of their concerts when they're even closer to me, performing in Romsey Abbey next month.




Interesting that you would be so involved in something that you don't believe in. What is keeping you from trusting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

Please take the time to read this first post.

xfrodobagginsx;1494689 wrote: Please take the time to read this first post.


I did. What's next?

Fuzzy;1494714 wrote: I did. What's next?


I was talking to those who haven't yet.

xfrodobagginsx;1494785 wrote: I was talking to those who haven't yet.


There won't be many of those who haven't yet. They have all died and gone to heaven already. Hurry up, you're late.

Fuzzy;1494832 wrote: There won't be many of those who haven't yet. They have all died and gone to heaven already. Hurry up, you're late.


I don't think so. It's interesting though. If what I am saying isn't true, then why does it bother you so much?

xfrodobagginsx;1494903 wrote: I don't think so. It's interesting though. If what I am saying isn't true, then why does it bother you so much?


I don't think bother is the correct word. It's more like being puzzled as to why so many grownups still believe in fairytales.

Fuzzy;1494909 wrote: I don't think bother is the correct word. It's more like being puzzled as to why so many grownups still believe in fairytales.
Amused, more to the point. I find it comical.

I think the god in their heads has got a lot to answer for.

Fuzzy;1494909 wrote: I don't think bother is the correct word. It's more like being puzzled as to why so many grownups still believe in fairytales.


It's not a fairytale. If you knew all of the evidence on BOTH sides, you would be amazed at what you haven't been told by the public education system.



2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Please take the time to read this first post if you haven't yet.

What the hell, or what on earth, or what in heaven are you going to do when you get to that 'heaven thing' after you kick the bucket?

Sing hallelujah for eternity, play computer games, chat with that weirdo called jesus, day in day out? Have you ever thought of seeing a psychiatrist about your mental state?

1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

xfrodobagginsx;1495548 wrote: 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


You've been reading your book of fairy tales again.:wah:

Fuzzy;1495616 wrote: You've been reading your book of fairy tales again.:wah:


Absolutely not fairy tales. Have you ever taken the time to ask God to show you if Jesus Christ is real and if this stuff is true? Why don't you try it?

Why ask one non-entity if another non-entity exists?

Have you ever taken the time to ask Goldilocks to show you if the Three Bears are real?

xfrodobagginsx;1495732 wrote: Absolutely not fairy tales. Have you ever taken the time to ask God to show you if Jesus Christ is real and if this stuff is true? Why don't you try it?


I have tried, and the voices in my head told me that it was all made up a long time ago because people couldn't figure out where they and everything else came from. Must have been some invisible entity doing a few magic tricks. Then Jesus was invented, who really was that god coming down to earth to get himself tortured and killed so he could forgive all these so called sinners which he created in the first place. Then he must have got the $hits with everything and drowned the lot, except one duckhead who built this 8 mile long wooden ship to save some of the animals. All the rest of the millions of species also drowned with the humans apparently.

BTW, where did all the water come from and receded to after the drowning was done. Oh, and who cleaned up all the decomposing carcasses? Must have been quite a stink.

And you lot still believe that your imaginary friend is all good and all powerful. He can't be both.

As midrash the question is relevant. Far too many have fallen into the litallist camp.

On one hand he promises never to devastate the world again, yet in other parts the Bible predicts the Apocalypse / the Rapture - call it what you will.

Christianity was like Judaism was meant to be a way of life. Those who claim either should be living it. As for God as a being, not true. The Bible puts it like this "God is a Spirit . . .. Spirit is not a human being o or a being of any kind.

Apparently he made us in his image. Doesn't that indicate form?