Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness
Ya know what?
I am so arrogant to suggest those are Human Rights, inherent from birth.
FourPart;1469706 wrote: 'Everyone' meaning 'Everyone in America'. To assume that your own defined rules should apply to everyone else in the world is downright arrogant of an upstart infant nation, as this would also include the Right to Bear Arms, for instance. Not 'everyone' is the rest of the world would want the 'rights' that you try to impose on them.
Hmm,
We have enough struggle here securing our natural, civil and Constitutional Rights.
Please, give me a clue what you are talking about when it comes to my government exporting the concept of citizens owning firearms.
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What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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FourPart;1469706 wrote: 'Everyone' meaning 'Everyone in America'. To assume that your own defined rules should apply to everyone else in the world is downright arrogant of an upstart infant nation, as this would also include the Right to Bear Arms, for instance. Not 'everyone' is the rest of the world would want the 'rights' that you try to impose on them.
No everyone meaning everyone in the world. And yes, I'm sure there are some people who want to be sick, slaves, or abused, but I doubt that's the majority. As to defining our rules, most of them come from the Magna Carta..your definition of rights.
I'll restate my position:
1. Free speech means free. Period. Not Salmon Rushdie's work, not The Interview. Nothing should be suppressed because suppressing the bad also means suppressing the good.
2. Sony was cowardly for bowing to terrorist threats. That only encourages and emboldens that behavior.
3. North Korea's cyberattack caused real damage to the U.S. and should be considered an act of war. Serious Economic sanctions need to be imposed to show that behavior of this kind has consequences in a global society.
Now...
I'm off to Christmas Break! Merry Christmas everyone! I may post a bit during the holiday season if I come in to school, but for the most part, see you next year!
No everyone meaning everyone in the world. And yes, I'm sure there are some people who want to be sick, slaves, or abused, but I doubt that's the majority. As to defining our rules, most of them come from the Magna Carta..your definition of rights.
I'll restate my position:
1. Free speech means free. Period. Not Salmon Rushdie's work, not The Interview. Nothing should be suppressed because suppressing the bad also means suppressing the good.
2. Sony was cowardly for bowing to terrorist threats. That only encourages and emboldens that behavior.
3. North Korea's cyberattack caused real damage to the U.S. and should be considered an act of war. Serious Economic sanctions need to be imposed to show that behavior of this kind has consequences in a global society.
Now...
I'm off to Christmas Break! Merry Christmas everyone! I may post a bit during the holiday season if I come in to school, but for the most part, see you next year!
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tude dog;1469711 wrote: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Yup.. What he said. Are there really people who don't want those rights?:-2
Yup.. What he said. Are there really people who don't want those rights?:-2
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saint_;1469712 wrote: no everyone meaning everyone in the world. And yes, i'm sure there are some people who want to be sick, slaves, or abused, but i doubt that's the majority. As to defining our rules, most of them come from the magna carta..your definition of rights.
I'll restate my position:
1. Free speech means free. period. Not salmon rushdie's work, not the interview. Nothing should be suppressed because suppressing the bad also means suppressing the good.
2. Sony was cowardly for bowing to terrorist threats. That only encourages and emboldens that behavior.
3. North korea's cyberattack caused real damage to the u.s. And should be considered an act of war. Serious economic sanctions need to be imposed to show that behavior of this kind has consequences in a global society.
Now...
I'm off to christmas break! Merry christmas everyone! I may post a bit during the holiday season if i come in to school, but for the most part, see you next year!
enjoy
I'll restate my position:
1. Free speech means free. period. Not salmon rushdie's work, not the interview. Nothing should be suppressed because suppressing the bad also means suppressing the good.
2. Sony was cowardly for bowing to terrorist threats. That only encourages and emboldens that behavior.
3. North korea's cyberattack caused real damage to the u.s. And should be considered an act of war. Serious economic sanctions need to be imposed to show that behavior of this kind has consequences in a global society.
Now...
I'm off to christmas break! Merry christmas everyone! I may post a bit during the holiday season if i come in to school, but for the most part, see you next year!
enjoy
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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This is from a country that outlaws Communism because it supposedly goes against Democracy, despite the fact that there are many Democratically Elected Communist Countries.
General 'Rights' that are laid down should independant per state / nation & recognised as such. Different countries & different cultures have different views on what is 'right'. It is not the place of anyone else to step in & tell them they are wrong.
Perhaps it was morally wrong of Sony to make the film in the first place. Was it meant to make a political point or was it purely to make money? I suspect the latter is the case. However, was their decision not to release based on the attack or was it based on public reaction? Might it also have been, as already suggested, a way of gaining additional publicity for its eventual delayed release, by which time they would 'yield to the public pressure' of curiosity & make several times as much as it would have done in the first place? Cynical? Perhaps, but can you honestly say you don't have the same thought in the back of your mind?
General 'Rights' that are laid down should independant per state / nation & recognised as such. Different countries & different cultures have different views on what is 'right'. It is not the place of anyone else to step in & tell them they are wrong.
Perhaps it was morally wrong of Sony to make the film in the first place. Was it meant to make a political point or was it purely to make money? I suspect the latter is the case. However, was their decision not to release based on the attack or was it based on public reaction? Might it also have been, as already suggested, a way of gaining additional publicity for its eventual delayed release, by which time they would 'yield to the public pressure' of curiosity & make several times as much as it would have done in the first place? Cynical? Perhaps, but can you honestly say you don't have the same thought in the back of your mind?
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FourPart;1469726 wrote: This is from a country that outlaws Communism because it supposedly goes against Democracy, despite the fact that there are many Democratically Elected Communist Countries.
That is confusing.
Forgive me if I assume you are talking about the USA.
I know of no law here which outlaws communism.
Tell me of one Democratically Elected Communist Country.
FourPart;1469726 wrote: General 'Rights' that are laid down should independant per state / nation & recognised as such. Different countries & different cultures have different views on what is 'right'. It is not the place of anyone else to step in & tell them they are wrong.
I demur
To me what your are arguing is unconscienable.
FourPart;1469726 wrote: Perhaps it was morally wrong of Sony to make the film in the first place.
MORALLY WRONG?
I've had serious complaints, but really.
FourPart;1469726 wrote: Was it meant to make a political point or was it purely to make money?
One or the other, my guess both.
That is the way freedom works.
FourPart;1469726 wrote: I suspect the latter is the case. However, was their decision not to release based on the attack or was it based on public reaction? Might it also have been, as already suggested, a way of gaining additional publicity for its eventual delayed release, by which time they would 'yield to the public pressure' of curiosity & make several times as much as it would have done in the first place? Cynical? Perhaps, but can you honestly say you don't have the same thought in the back of your mind?
whatever
That is confusing.
Forgive me if I assume you are talking about the USA.
I know of no law here which outlaws communism.
Tell me of one Democratically Elected Communist Country.
FourPart;1469726 wrote: General 'Rights' that are laid down should independant per state / nation & recognised as such. Different countries & different cultures have different views on what is 'right'. It is not the place of anyone else to step in & tell them they are wrong.
I demur
To me what your are arguing is unconscienable.
FourPart;1469726 wrote: Perhaps it was morally wrong of Sony to make the film in the first place.
MORALLY WRONG?
I've had serious complaints, but really.
FourPart;1469726 wrote: Was it meant to make a political point or was it purely to make money?
One or the other, my guess both.
That is the way freedom works.
FourPart;1469726 wrote: I suspect the latter is the case. However, was their decision not to release based on the attack or was it based on public reaction? Might it also have been, as already suggested, a way of gaining additional publicity for its eventual delayed release, by which time they would 'yield to the public pressure' of curiosity & make several times as much as it would have done in the first place? Cynical? Perhaps, but can you honestly say you don't have the same thought in the back of your mind?
whatever
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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Anti-communist oaths persist despite court rulings
First elected Communist country = San Marino
West Bengal (lost election in 2011)
BBC News - India: Mamata Banerjee routs communists in West Bengal
Nepal
Nepal to Have First Elected Communist Government in Asia - NYTimes.com
One should also be aware that Communism & Socialism are fundamentally the same ideology.
The majority of self-declared socialist countries have been Marxist–Leninist states inspired by the example of the Soviet Union. They share a common definition of "socialism" and they refer to themselves as socialist states on the road to communism. For this reason, they are generally called "communist states" by Western sources (although they do not use that name for themselves). Meanwhile, the countries in the Non-Marxist–Leninist category represent a wide variety of different interpretations of the word "socialism." In many cases, they do not define what they mean by it.
List of socialist states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
First elected Communist country = San Marino
West Bengal (lost election in 2011)
BBC News - India: Mamata Banerjee routs communists in West Bengal
Nepal
Nepal to Have First Elected Communist Government in Asia - NYTimes.com
One should also be aware that Communism & Socialism are fundamentally the same ideology.
The majority of self-declared socialist countries have been Marxist–Leninist states inspired by the example of the Soviet Union. They share a common definition of "socialism" and they refer to themselves as socialist states on the road to communism. For this reason, they are generally called "communist states" by Western sources (although they do not use that name for themselves). Meanwhile, the countries in the Non-Marxist–Leninist category represent a wide variety of different interpretations of the word "socialism." In many cases, they do not define what they mean by it.
List of socialist states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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My opinion is that it's all about the "odd" lad who sits away from everyone else and doesn't join in. It's not against the rules to poke him with a stick but don't be surprised if he hits back.
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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Ahso!;1469664 wrote: I don't think cultural imperialism is unique to America, whether it be commercial, political or individual, with military might as a current exception, though not unique historically. I mean, could not your post be interpreted as an attempt to influence the opinion of other's perception of Americans and their culture?
I read the article and I think I understand what Fraser is saying in it. But it is an opinion piece from his cultural perspective, is it not.
I may or may not agree with exceptionalism in any form, but what you and Fraser are talking about, American Exceptionalism, is in fact part of American culture and that is my point.No rebuttal or reply of any kind?
I personally don't care for much of what's been happening in my country and I know you're aware of that.
Would you agree with me that American Exceptionalism is in fact a part of American Culture? I read Faser as saying as much; what he appears to denounce (and I agree) is the intensity of where it sits today, or how it's evolved, if you like.
I read the article and I think I understand what Fraser is saying in it. But it is an opinion piece from his cultural perspective, is it not.
I may or may not agree with exceptionalism in any form, but what you and Fraser are talking about, American Exceptionalism, is in fact part of American culture and that is my point.No rebuttal or reply of any kind?
I personally don't care for much of what's been happening in my country and I know you're aware of that.
Would you agree with me that American Exceptionalism is in fact a part of American Culture? I read Faser as saying as much; what he appears to denounce (and I agree) is the intensity of where it sits today, or how it's evolved, if you like.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Saint_;1469704 wrote: I'm not denying you the right to scry and despise it, I'm against your statement that it should never have been made. I'm against its message as well, but I abhor censorship.
And I stand by that statement, in my opinion the film *should* never have been made.
The fact that Sony had a legal right to make the film does not mean that they have to do so. Someone at Sony *should* have applied a measure of decency and taste and decided that, as an organisation, they did not wish to lower themselves by making it.
Your claim that FG is mismanaged because such an opinion was expressed is far more an attempt at censorship and suppression of free speech than any comment that the film was in bad taste and should not have been made. Might I remind you that the Spot, the moderators and I are members first making posts as members and only acting to administer the site because it has to be done.
And I stand by that statement, in my opinion the film *should* never have been made.
The fact that Sony had a legal right to make the film does not mean that they have to do so. Someone at Sony *should* have applied a measure of decency and taste and decided that, as an organisation, they did not wish to lower themselves by making it.
Your claim that FG is mismanaged because such an opinion was expressed is far more an attempt at censorship and suppression of free speech than any comment that the film was in bad taste and should not have been made. Might I remind you that the Spot, the moderators and I are members first making posts as members and only acting to administer the site because it has to be done.
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Saint_;1469700 wrote: I would decry it, despise it, boycott it, and encourage others to do so...but I would defend its right to made made. Freedom isn't easy, it takes courage. Something that Sony doesn't have.
Just because someone has the right to do something, like make a stupid film, does not mean it should be done.
And I suspect that SONY will make their money back on the film, without skipping a beat.
It was a stupid idea, in my opinion, and they probably should not have made it. However, it was made, and the question is now about whether they should release it to theaters or just dump it on Netflix.
I can see it now. All the late night theaters that live off Rocky Horror Picture Show can now offer something completely different.
Just because someone has the right to do something, like make a stupid film, does not mean it should be done.
And I suspect that SONY will make their money back on the film, without skipping a beat.
It was a stupid idea, in my opinion, and they probably should not have made it. However, it was made, and the question is now about whether they should release it to theaters or just dump it on Netflix.
I can see it now. All the late night theaters that live off Rocky Horror Picture Show can now offer something completely different.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
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Ahso!;1469748 wrote: No rebuttal or reply of any kind?
I'll bite.
Ahso!;1469748 wrote: I personally don't care for much of what's been happening in my country and I know you're aware of that.
Though for different reasons you and I agree on one one thing.
Ahso!;1469748 wrote: Would you agree with me that American Exceptionalism is in fact a part of American Culture?
I would say a part. All the same, I would expect citizens of other lands to have pride in their culture, country etc. to share a similar feeling. Ahso!;1469748 wrote: I can appreciate your opinion on this issue, though I think I recall something to the effect of celebrating the existence and expression of cultural differences. Hadn't I seen you write that in the past?
Ahso!;1469748 wrote: I read Faser as saying as much; what he appears to denounce (and I agree) is the intensity of where it sits today, or how it's evolved, if you like.
Came here late, can't find that Faser thingy.
I'll bite.
Ahso!;1469748 wrote: I personally don't care for much of what's been happening in my country and I know you're aware of that.
Though for different reasons you and I agree on one one thing.
Ahso!;1469748 wrote: Would you agree with me that American Exceptionalism is in fact a part of American Culture?
I would say a part. All the same, I would expect citizens of other lands to have pride in their culture, country etc. to share a similar feeling. Ahso!;1469748 wrote: I can appreciate your opinion on this issue, though I think I recall something to the effect of celebrating the existence and expression of cultural differences. Hadn't I seen you write that in the past?
Ahso!;1469748 wrote: I read Faser as saying as much; what he appears to denounce (and I agree) is the intensity of where it sits today, or how it's evolved, if you like.
Came here late, can't find that Faser thingy.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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double post
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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[QUOTE=FourPart;1469733]Anti-communist oaths persist despite court rulings
Such laws in other countries are of little or no importance to me.
"anachronistic" laws have similar appeal.
Such laws in other countries are of little or no importance to me.
"anachronistic" laws have similar appeal.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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LarsMac;1469776 wrote: Just because someone has the right to do something, like make a stupid film, does not mean it should be done.
Assuming it it a "stupid" film, another in the long list, "stupid" alone is not a reason not to make it.
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: And I suspect that SONY will make their money back on the film, without skipping a beat.
I am not a stock holder, but I wish them the best.
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: It was a stupid idea, in my opinion, and they probably should not have made it.
WHY?
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: However, it was made, and the question is now about whether they should release it to theaters or just dump it on Netflix.
I am a bit late here.
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: I can see it now. All the late night theaters that live off Rocky Horror Picture Show can now offer something completely different.
Assuming it it a "stupid" film, another in the long list, "stupid" alone is not a reason not to make it.
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: And I suspect that SONY will make their money back on the film, without skipping a beat.
I am not a stock holder, but I wish them the best.
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: It was a stupid idea, in my opinion, and they probably should not have made it.
WHY?
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: However, it was made, and the question is now about whether they should release it to theaters or just dump it on Netflix.
I am a bit late here.
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: I can see it now. All the late night theaters that live off Rocky Horror Picture Show can now offer something completely different.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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Movie being released on Xmas Day, after all. It really would be funny if it truly stinks!
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And I bet the sales are at least 10 times what they would have been without all the publicity.
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Rogan & Franco said that before; when SONY was hacked but the movie was still a Go.
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The movie will be playing tomorrow (Christmas Day) at our local old-fashioned downtown art theater, named the "Art". It's just a few blocks from the "Virginia", the theater that gave us film critic Roger Ebert and holds a film festival in his name every year.
I have to say, the number of replies and differences of opinion on this topic is truly amazing, given the relatively short period of time.
I have to say, the number of replies and differences of opinion on this topic is truly amazing, given the relatively short period of time.
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tude dog;1469907 wrote:
[QUOTE=LarsMac;1469776]Just because someone has the right to do something, like make a stupid film, does not mean it should be done.
Assuming it it a "stupid" film, another in the long list, "stupid" alone is not a reason not to make it.
Well, plenty of stupid films are made each year.
And many of them find an audience.
My comment simply addressed the right versus the reason. I hardly see this as a major "Freedom of Speech/press" issue, and it was not the gummint that tried to suppress the thing.
tude dog;1469907 wrote:
[QUOTE=LarsMac;1469776]And I suspect that SONY will make their money back on the film, without skipping a beat.
I am not a stock holder, but I wish them the best.
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: It was a stupid idea, in my opinion, and they probably should not have made it.
WHY?
Generally, when making movies about whacking national leaders, movie makers use imaginary leaders, and imaginary countries and such, or past leaders, long out of service, so that they do not insult real countries and real people.
The point I do agree on is that Sony probably should have simply not reacted to the threats. If the theaters felt threatened, they can choose not to run it.
[QUOTE=LarsMac;1469776]Just because someone has the right to do something, like make a stupid film, does not mean it should be done.
Assuming it it a "stupid" film, another in the long list, "stupid" alone is not a reason not to make it.
Well, plenty of stupid films are made each year.
And many of them find an audience.
My comment simply addressed the right versus the reason. I hardly see this as a major "Freedom of Speech/press" issue, and it was not the gummint that tried to suppress the thing.
tude dog;1469907 wrote:
[QUOTE=LarsMac;1469776]And I suspect that SONY will make their money back on the film, without skipping a beat.
I am not a stock holder, but I wish them the best.
LarsMac;1469776 wrote: It was a stupid idea, in my opinion, and they probably should not have made it.
WHY?
Generally, when making movies about whacking national leaders, movie makers use imaginary leaders, and imaginary countries and such, or past leaders, long out of service, so that they do not insult real countries and real people.
The point I do agree on is that Sony probably should have simply not reacted to the threats. If the theaters felt threatened, they can choose not to run it.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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It was on the news this morning that leaked reports about it say that the film isn't particularly funny, is poorly written & badly acted to the point of being little more than a home movie.
I think the main interest now is to see what all the fuss was about & whether North Korea ever really were involved in any such Cyber Attack, or if it was just a couple of computer geeks having a laugh by making it look as if that's where the attack came from. After all, North Korea are not likely to deny having such technology & ability, whether they do or not.
I can't help wondering if the basic topic of the film is a bit portentious, though. Kim Jon Un is clearly mentally unstable (after all, his latest edict is that no-one else in the country is allowed to have the surname 'Un' apart from him), with nuclear capabilities at his disposal. Surely it's only a matter of time before someone really does take a pot-shot at him.
I think the main interest now is to see what all the fuss was about & whether North Korea ever really were involved in any such Cyber Attack, or if it was just a couple of computer geeks having a laugh by making it look as if that's where the attack came from. After all, North Korea are not likely to deny having such technology & ability, whether they do or not.
I can't help wondering if the basic topic of the film is a bit portentious, though. Kim Jon Un is clearly mentally unstable (after all, his latest edict is that no-one else in the country is allowed to have the surname 'Un' apart from him), with nuclear capabilities at his disposal. Surely it's only a matter of time before someone really does take a pot-shot at him.
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Thought 'Un' was his first name.
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AnneBoleyn;1470106 wrote: Thought 'Un' was his first name.
I caught that too. His surname is Kim. And there are a lot of 'Kim's in Korea.
So he is saying no one can have his given name of 'un'
That would be like George Bush proclaiming that nobody in America can be named George.
Of course I seldom trust the news media to get such stories correct.
I caught that too. His surname is Kim. And there are a lot of 'Kim's in Korea.
So he is saying no one can have his given name of 'un'
That would be like George Bush proclaiming that nobody in America can be named George.
Of course I seldom trust the news media to get such stories correct.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
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AnneBoleyn;1470106 wrote: Thought 'Un' was his first name.
It is, but Koreans have their given names & surnames back to front from the rest of the world:
Kim Jong-un - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Edict to ban sharing of his name:
Kim Jong-Un 'Bans People From Having The Same Name As Him' In North Korea
It is, but Koreans have their given names & surnames back to front from the rest of the world:
Kim Jong-un - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Edict to ban sharing of his name:
Kim Jong-Un 'Bans People From Having The Same Name As Him' In North Korea
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FourPart;1470137 wrote: It is, but Koreans have their given names & surnames back to front from the rest of the world:
Kim Jong-un - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Edict to ban sharing of his name:
Kim Jong-Un 'Bans People From Having The Same Name As Him' In North KoreaIf the Huffington Post actually wrote "...the same name as him" (and it did), then Lord help the Huffington Post and Lord help the beleaguered English language!
Kim Jong-un - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Edict to ban sharing of his name:
Kim Jong-Un 'Bans People From Having The Same Name As Him' In North KoreaIf the Huffington Post actually wrote "...the same name as him" (and it did), then Lord help the Huffington Post and Lord help the beleaguered English language!
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FourPart;1470098 wrote: It was on the news this morning that leaked reports about it say that the film isn't particularly funny, is poorly written & badly acted to the point of being little more than a home movie.On today's (Christmas) morning news (NBC TODAY show), several of those who had seen the film yesterday were interviewed and they all gave it excellent reviews. Of course, opinions are going to vary, so I'm not saying that you're wrong.
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Mark Aspam;1470166 wrote: On today's (Christmas) morning news (NBC TODAY show), several of those who had seen the film yesterday were interviewed and they all gave it excellent reviews. Of course, opinions are going to vary, so I'm not saying that you're wrong.
Subjectivity reigns when it comes to movies.
Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 50%, so far.
I have yet to see anything by that director, or those actors that would encourage me to spend my money on it.
Besides, I am saving my pennies for the new Star Wars flick.
Subjectivity reigns when it comes to movies.
Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 50%, so far.
I have yet to see anything by that director, or those actors that would encourage me to spend my money on it.
Besides, I am saving my pennies for the new Star Wars flick.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
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Bruv;1469557 wrote: Or...............Sony have hyped the film with cyber attack rumours to boost sales ?
That was unhealthily quick.
That was unhealthily quick.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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LarsMac;1470095 wrote: Well, plenty of stupid films are made each year.
And many of them find an audience.
My comment simply addressed the right versus the reason. I hardly see this as a major "Freedom of Speech/press" issue, and it was not the gummint that tried to suppress the thing.
"Right vs Reason"
In my view, RIGHTS TRUMP.
LarsMac;1470095 wrote: Generally, when making movies about whacking national leaders, movie makers use imaginary leaders, and imaginary countries and such, or past leaders, long out of service, so that they do not insult real countries and real people.
Apparently these producers intended to insult and pulled no punches, as well they should.
Bravo for them.:-6
LarsMac;1470095 wrote: The point I do agree on is that Sony probably should have simply not reacted to the threats. If the theaters felt threatened, they can choose not to run it.
And many of them find an audience.
My comment simply addressed the right versus the reason. I hardly see this as a major "Freedom of Speech/press" issue, and it was not the gummint that tried to suppress the thing.
"Right vs Reason"
In my view, RIGHTS TRUMP.
LarsMac;1470095 wrote: Generally, when making movies about whacking national leaders, movie makers use imaginary leaders, and imaginary countries and such, or past leaders, long out of service, so that they do not insult real countries and real people.
Apparently these producers intended to insult and pulled no punches, as well they should.
Bravo for them.:-6
LarsMac;1470095 wrote: The point I do agree on is that Sony probably should have simply not reacted to the threats. If the theaters felt threatened, they can choose not to run it.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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Tude........he's an old fashioned American isn't he ?
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Bruv;1470227 wrote: Tude........he's an old fashioned American isn't he ?
Many different kinds of Americans these days.
Many different kinds of Americans these days.
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The old fashioned ones were, in general, somewhat less crazed.
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Bruv;1470227 wrote: Tude........he's an old fashioned American isn't he ?
I have no idea what you mean by "an old fashioned American'. Well really I do have ideas but that is neither here nor there.
I am rather complemented you should ask and interested in any comments.
I have no idea what you mean by "an old fashioned American'. Well really I do have ideas but that is neither here nor there.
I am rather complemented you should ask and interested in any comments.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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AnneBoleyn;1470228 wrote: Many different kinds of Americans these days.
Of course there are many kinds of Americans.
How many of us are "old fashioned", whatever that means?
Of course there are many kinds of Americans.
How many of us are "old fashioned", whatever that means?
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1470223 wrote: "Right vs Reason"
In my view, RIGHTS TRUMP.
Apparently these producers intended to insult and pulled no punches, as well they should.
Bravo for them.:-6
How is this about rights?
saying that I don't think they should have made the movie has nothing to do with their right to do so. SONY owned the movie, and it is their right to decide whether to put the movie in the theaters. The theaters have the right to run it, or not. The customers have a right to either buy tickets and view it, or not. No rights were violated in this event.
In my view, RIGHTS TRUMP.
Apparently these producers intended to insult and pulled no punches, as well they should.
Bravo for them.:-6
How is this about rights?
saying that I don't think they should have made the movie has nothing to do with their right to do so. SONY owned the movie, and it is their right to decide whether to put the movie in the theaters. The theaters have the right to run it, or not. The customers have a right to either buy tickets and view it, or not. No rights were violated in this event.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
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Personally I still have my doubts as to whether North Korea were even involved in the Cyber attack at all. Investigation reports say the IP addresses originated from the Middle East, probably China - which is where any self respecting hacker would redirect his/her IP address to. It wouldn't surprise me if Sony, themselves, were responsible for the hacking in the first place.
We are now faced with a new Cyber Attack apparently having been made on Microsoft & Sony (BBC News - Xbox and PlayStation tackle cyber attacks) although "No link between the Sony Pictures hack and the gaming service disruptions has been confirmed" - although it hasn't been denied either.
So, an attack is made on a private company & it immediately becomes an international political conspiracy. It sounds like a 2nd rate movie script in itself to me.
We are now faced with a new Cyber Attack apparently having been made on Microsoft & Sony (BBC News - Xbox and PlayStation tackle cyber attacks) although "No link between the Sony Pictures hack and the gaming service disruptions has been confirmed" - although it hasn't been denied either.
So, an attack is made on a private company & it immediately becomes an international political conspiracy. It sounds like a 2nd rate movie script in itself to me.
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AnneBoleyn;1470228 wrote: Many different kinds of Americans these days.
Best reply to you Anne would be a private big toothy knowing grin and an exaggerated wink.
Best reply to you Anne would be a private big toothy knowing grin and an exaggerated wink.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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tude dog;1470223 wrote: "Right vs Reason"
In my view, RIGHTS TRUMP.
Apparently these producers intended to insult and pulled no punches, as well they should.
Bravo for them.:-6
Bruv;1470227 wrote: Tude........he's an old fashioned American isn't he ?
It is partly the assuredness, the total confidence, no lack of doubt what so ever, and the authority in the delivery.
Right vs Reason ?
Reason.....versus.....Right...mind.
"Right" not Rights" and the automatic reflex is to protect Our inalienable "Rights".....and forget Reason.
Or it could be the way I read it.
In my view, RIGHTS TRUMP.
Apparently these producers intended to insult and pulled no punches, as well they should.
Bravo for them.:-6
Bruv;1470227 wrote: Tude........he's an old fashioned American isn't he ?
It is partly the assuredness, the total confidence, no lack of doubt what so ever, and the authority in the delivery.
Right vs Reason ?
Reason.....versus.....Right...mind.
"Right" not Rights" and the automatic reflex is to protect Our inalienable "Rights".....and forget Reason.
Or it could be the way I read it.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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FourPart;1470240 wrote: Personally I still have my doubts as to whether North Korea were even involved in the Cyber attack at all. Investigation reports say the IP addresses originated from the Middle East, probably China - which is where any self respecting hacker would redirect his/her IP address to. It wouldn't surprise me if Sony, themselves, were responsible for the hacking in the first place.
We are now faced with a new Cyber Attack apparently having been made on Microsoft & Sony (BBC News - Xbox and PlayStation tackle cyber attacks) although "No link between the Sony Pictures hack and the gaming service disruptions has been confirmed" - although it hasn't been denied either.
So, an attack is made on a private company & it immediately becomes an international political conspiracy. It sounds like a 2nd rate movie script in itself to me.
Even I can make it look like I am coming from somewhere else than my actual location, so a good hacker could easily appear to be coming from anywhere.
I am sure the security folks are better at tracing down origination than the average joe, but still, IP address tracking is hardly effective for really figuring out where an attack came from. and even a MAC address can be spoofed.
I am with the folks that believe the whole hacker thing was just a ploy to get the movie in the public eye.
As for the game networks, they are remarkably easy to to get into.
We are now faced with a new Cyber Attack apparently having been made on Microsoft & Sony (BBC News - Xbox and PlayStation tackle cyber attacks) although "No link between the Sony Pictures hack and the gaming service disruptions has been confirmed" - although it hasn't been denied either.
So, an attack is made on a private company & it immediately becomes an international political conspiracy. It sounds like a 2nd rate movie script in itself to me.
Even I can make it look like I am coming from somewhere else than my actual location, so a good hacker could easily appear to be coming from anywhere.
I am sure the security folks are better at tracing down origination than the average joe, but still, IP address tracking is hardly effective for really figuring out where an attack came from. and even a MAC address can be spoofed.
I am with the folks that believe the whole hacker thing was just a ploy to get the movie in the public eye.
As for the game networks, they are remarkably easy to to get into.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
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tude dog;1470232 wrote: I have no idea what you mean by "an old fashioned American'. Well really I do have ideas but that is neither here nor there.
I am rather complemented you should ask and interested in any comments.
tude Dog is from the American Midwest. I am from the American Southwest. Emphasis on the "West." Having been settled much later than the East, and with much more hardship, our culture tends to be much more black and white and less cosmopolitan than our eastern counterparts. A legacy from our bleak and strict beginnings. We have "The Code of the West" in our blood. Everything we see and say is colored by it.
I can't speak for Tude Dog, but in my little town, if you were to come here, you would be surprised to see Native Americans in full regalia, people wearing hip holsters and cowboy hats, and even horses being pulled in trailers. All this while you were walking through the parking lot...of Walmart.
A testament to the tenacity to which my people are holding on to the past while grimly being dragged to the future. It makes us a bit more unpredictable and difficult to understand to more civilized people, I'd venture.
I am rather complemented you should ask and interested in any comments.
tude Dog is from the American Midwest. I am from the American Southwest. Emphasis on the "West." Having been settled much later than the East, and with much more hardship, our culture tends to be much more black and white and less cosmopolitan than our eastern counterparts. A legacy from our bleak and strict beginnings. We have "The Code of the West" in our blood. Everything we see and say is colored by it.
I can't speak for Tude Dog, but in my little town, if you were to come here, you would be surprised to see Native Americans in full regalia, people wearing hip holsters and cowboy hats, and even horses being pulled in trailers. All this while you were walking through the parking lot...of Walmart.
A testament to the tenacity to which my people are holding on to the past while grimly being dragged to the future. It makes us a bit more unpredictable and difficult to understand to more civilized people, I'd venture.
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Serious question, why is the American Midwest closer to the East ?
I Googled it, it is the upper off centre toward the east America.
I Googled it, it is the upper off centre toward the east America.
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Anything over the Mississippi River should be the West. In which case Kansas is in the West, my mistake, Tude. New Mexicans are Geo-snobs.
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Bruv;1470252 wrote: Serious question, why is the American Midwest closer to the East ?
I Googled it, it is the upper off centre toward the east America.
Oh and to answer your question, the geographic names reflect more of the progress of settlement than the actual location. The Midwest was settled first, to the Mississippi river, then with the Louisiana Purchase, the "West" was opened. (I believe.)
The reason that states like Mississippi are not considered Midwest is because during the Civil War, they were strongly aligned with the South.
I Googled it, it is the upper off centre toward the east America.
Oh and to answer your question, the geographic names reflect more of the progress of settlement than the actual location. The Midwest was settled first, to the Mississippi river, then with the Louisiana Purchase, the "West" was opened. (I believe.)
The reason that states like Mississippi are not considered Midwest is because during the Civil War, they were strongly aligned with the South.
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So West in America is historical not geographical ?
Why do you have to be different ?
Why do you have to be different ?
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Bruv;1470259 wrote:
Why do you have to be different ?
Precisely....now you have hit the nail on the head.
Why do you have to be different ?
Precisely....now you have hit the nail on the head.
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Makes me wonder how you got to the moon........although.....there have been rumours that was a Hollywood project too.
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Bruv;1470259 wrote: So West in America is historical not geographical ?
Why do you have to be different ?
West is relative.
To my friends in Maine, the West starts when you cross the Hudson River.
My in-laws in Colorado refer to Kansas as "Back East"
When we lived in Louisiana, West was across the Sabine River, where all the Texans came from.
Why do you have to be different ?
West is relative.
To my friends in Maine, the West starts when you cross the Hudson River.
My in-laws in Colorado refer to Kansas as "Back East"
When we lived in Louisiana, West was across the Sabine River, where all the Texans came from.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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LarsMac;1470263 wrote: West is relative.
To my friends in Maine, the West starts when you cross the Hudson River.
My in-laws in Colorado refer to Kansas as "Back East"
When we lived in Louisiana, West was across the Sabine River, where all the Texans came from.
I know what you mean..........but Mid West you would logically take to be halfway to the most western point.
"Going West" to the Californian gold rush would have meant they all ended up in.........Japan ? ish ?
I live in the South East which is bottom right of the country. The UK Midlands is........in the middle, where else?
To my friends in Maine, the West starts when you cross the Hudson River.
My in-laws in Colorado refer to Kansas as "Back East"
When we lived in Louisiana, West was across the Sabine River, where all the Texans came from.
I know what you mean..........but Mid West you would logically take to be halfway to the most western point.
"Going West" to the Californian gold rush would have meant they all ended up in.........Japan ? ish ?
I live in the South East which is bottom right of the country. The UK Midlands is........in the middle, where else?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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We have a similar problem with relative geography in England too. Londoners notoriously claim The North starts at the Watford Gap, which most people (erroneously) think means the Watford Service Station on the M1, 15 miles north of Trafalgar Square. Part of the joke is that the big guns on HMS Belfast, permanently moored near the Tower of London, are trained on the Watford Service Station on the M1, presumably to deter Northerners from invading.
From the perspective of a Bristolian, the West of England starts at Exeter, a notion everyone else in England heartily laughs at: Bristolians speak more West-Country Pirate fashion than anyone else. Vicky Pollard is not, in my memory, an exaggeration.
From the perspective of a Bristolian, the West of England starts at Exeter, a notion everyone else in England heartily laughs at: Bristolians speak more West-Country Pirate fashion than anyone else. Vicky Pollard is not, in my memory, an exaggeration.
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LarsMac;1470234 wrote: How is this about rights?
saying that I don't think they should have made the movie has nothing to do with their right to do so. SONY owned the movie, and it is their right to decide whether to put the movie in the theaters. The theaters have the right to run it, or not. The customers have a right to either buy tickets and view it, or not. No rights were violated in this event.
I understand.
It was your words "right versus the reason".
Never a comment about government.
saying that I don't think they should have made the movie has nothing to do with their right to do so. SONY owned the movie, and it is their right to decide whether to put the movie in the theaters. The theaters have the right to run it, or not. The customers have a right to either buy tickets and view it, or not. No rights were violated in this event.
I understand.
It was your words "right versus the reason".
Never a comment about government.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.