I don't care what someone's race, colour, gender or religion dictates.
I have previously stated In this thread I don't even worry about Mosques being built.... Muslims need to pray.
I work with, and socialise very day with Muslims and other nationalities. We are respectful enough to not try to ram our faith onto others. I observe certain Muslim practices. We celebrate the Festival of Eid with our friends, we put our dogs outside the house when they visit us. We do not show them the soles of our feet etc etc.
However, because I do have close Muslim friends and a niece who's just married a Muslim, I know that they would be deeply offended If our meat was blessed In the name of Christ.
Tolerance of other religions Is one thing. Having my food blessed based on the teachings of a Phrophet Is another. I would actually object If meat was blessed In the name of Christ because I believe that religion should not be brought Into the food chain and should remain Impartial.
More Importantly..... In a free democratic country, I have the right to an opinion.
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Oscar Mate;1453602 wrote: So you reckon If I went to Pakistan and slaughtered meat In the name of Jesus Christ and sold It wholesale without labelling It, no-one would object ?
Even In Britain do you think If British slaughterhouses blesses the animal In the name of Christ our saviour, no Muslim would object ?
UK: Lunch Lady Fired from Multi-faith School for Accidentally Serving Non-halal meat | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs
Row over Halal meat at school (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series)
Yeah right !!!!
"Therefore eat of that on which Allah's name has been mentioned if you are believers in His communications."
— Qurʼan, Surah 6 (al-AnÊ»am), ayah
I don't much care where you go or what you do to be perfectly honest Oscar, or what other people of any religion choose to do.
Getting your arguments straight would be a good starting point!
You claim animal cruelty but you have no evidence of it happening at every single halal slaughterhouse yet you ask for every single one of them to be closed down.
Then you claim it's about what is said in the name of a religion you choose to detest.
Your argument won't make it to parliament because none of it makes sense.
Your point should actually be you don't like the idea of anyone practising their culture in this country and you want it stopped. Only Brits can keep their own British Culture going.
Even that argument deserves to be laughed at.
Even In Britain do you think If British slaughterhouses blesses the animal In the name of Christ our saviour, no Muslim would object ?
UK: Lunch Lady Fired from Multi-faith School for Accidentally Serving Non-halal meat | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs
Row over Halal meat at school (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series)
Yeah right !!!!
"Therefore eat of that on which Allah's name has been mentioned if you are believers in His communications."
— Qurʼan, Surah 6 (al-AnÊ»am), ayah
I don't much care where you go or what you do to be perfectly honest Oscar, or what other people of any religion choose to do.
Getting your arguments straight would be a good starting point!
You claim animal cruelty but you have no evidence of it happening at every single halal slaughterhouse yet you ask for every single one of them to be closed down.
Then you claim it's about what is said in the name of a religion you choose to detest.
Your argument won't make it to parliament because none of it makes sense.
Your point should actually be you don't like the idea of anyone practising their culture in this country and you want it stopped. Only Brits can keep their own British Culture going.
Even that argument deserves to be laughed at.
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Oscar Mate;1453590 wrote: A few minutes.
How to Kill a Lobster (Humanely) Fine Cooking | The Kitchn
The Lady clearly says "Freeze the lobster for 20 minutes"
Rubbish !!!!
Why lay the bound crusactean awkwardly on it's back and subject it to freezing conditions?
Fish the thing from a tank, then swiftly insert a sharp knife into the top of it's brain, it even has a seam for aiming, instant release and no suffering.
How to Kill a Lobster (Humanely) Fine Cooking | The Kitchn
The Lady clearly says "Freeze the lobster for 20 minutes"
Rubbish !!!!
Why lay the bound crusactean awkwardly on it's back and subject it to freezing conditions?
Fish the thing from a tank, then swiftly insert a sharp knife into the top of it's brain, it even has a seam for aiming, instant release and no suffering.
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Betty Boop;1453606 wrote:
Then you claim it's about what is said in the name of a religion you choose to detest.
Your argument won't make it to parliament because none of it makes sense.
Your point should actually be you don't like the idea of anyone practising their culture in this country and you want it stopped. Only Brits can keep their own British Culture going.
Even that argument deserves to be laughed at.
Let's ask you again then?
Do you think Muslims would eat meat blessed In the name of Jesus Christ ? The question you swerved.
We have laws In this country. We have laws that say we can not rape girls as young as 11. We have laws to say we can't blow buses up on London Streets. We have laws that you can't beat your wife. Equally we have laws that animals must be pre-stunned before slaughter.
Now, If you can explain exactly why some laws are adhered to and we exempt others on religious grounds, you may not sound so ridiculous. So are you suggesting the Terrorist bombings are excusable because they were In the name of Allah?
Yet, I don't think you can explain can you?
Typical bait racism reply..... Oh you must despise the religion.... how childish and laughable !!!!
There Is a wealth of Christian objection to meat being blessed In the name of Allah. Perhaps you should do a little more research before playing the race card cop out ?
Feature Articles - SHOULD CHRISTIANS EAT HALAL MEAT
Won't make It to Parliament ? You really are behind the times... It already has.
UnstunnedHalal - campaigning for geniune halal meat & poultry - Articles - House of Lords Debate on Religious Slaughter - 16 January 2014
Philip Davies tables an amendment to require labelling of halal and kosher meat | Conservative Home
I think you are also uneducated In the way e petitions work. MP's check new one's regually. In order to get attention you must be bold and even a little controversial. Otherwise you'll join thousands of fluffy petitions that no-one pays any attention to and the chances of an MP contacting you are nil.
Frankly, I don't give a hoot about what you think the Intention Is Betty. The Intention Is to get It debated and to continue pressure... How do you think we brought about a ban to Fox Hunting ?
Then you claim it's about what is said in the name of a religion you choose to detest.
Your argument won't make it to parliament because none of it makes sense.
Your point should actually be you don't like the idea of anyone practising their culture in this country and you want it stopped. Only Brits can keep their own British Culture going.
Even that argument deserves to be laughed at.
Let's ask you again then?
Do you think Muslims would eat meat blessed In the name of Jesus Christ ? The question you swerved.
We have laws In this country. We have laws that say we can not rape girls as young as 11. We have laws to say we can't blow buses up on London Streets. We have laws that you can't beat your wife. Equally we have laws that animals must be pre-stunned before slaughter.
Now, If you can explain exactly why some laws are adhered to and we exempt others on religious grounds, you may not sound so ridiculous. So are you suggesting the Terrorist bombings are excusable because they were In the name of Allah?
Yet, I don't think you can explain can you?
Typical bait racism reply..... Oh you must despise the religion.... how childish and laughable !!!!
There Is a wealth of Christian objection to meat being blessed In the name of Allah. Perhaps you should do a little more research before playing the race card cop out ?
Feature Articles - SHOULD CHRISTIANS EAT HALAL MEAT
Won't make It to Parliament ? You really are behind the times... It already has.
UnstunnedHalal - campaigning for geniune halal meat & poultry - Articles - House of Lords Debate on Religious Slaughter - 16 January 2014
Philip Davies tables an amendment to require labelling of halal and kosher meat | Conservative Home
I think you are also uneducated In the way e petitions work. MP's check new one's regually. In order to get attention you must be bold and even a little controversial. Otherwise you'll join thousands of fluffy petitions that no-one pays any attention to and the chances of an MP contacting you are nil.
Frankly, I don't give a hoot about what you think the Intention Is Betty. The Intention Is to get It debated and to continue pressure... How do you think we brought about a ban to Fox Hunting ?
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" Won't make It to Parliament "
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BBC News - MPs want curbs on 'unacceptable' religious slaughter
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BBC News - MPs want curbs on 'unacceptable' religious slaughter
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Bruv;1453607 wrote: The Lady clearly says "Freeze the lobster for 20 minutes"
Rubbish !!!!
Why lay the bound crusactean awkwardly on it's back and subject it to freezing conditions?
Fish the thing from a tank, then swiftly insert a sharp knife into the top of it's brain, it even has a seam for aiming, instant release and no suffering.
Alternatively, pop along to Morrison's and ask those really helpful guys on the Fish and Shellfish counter to do It for you and even dress It to your Individual requirements.
Rubbish !!!!
Why lay the bound crusactean awkwardly on it's back and subject it to freezing conditions?
Fish the thing from a tank, then swiftly insert a sharp knife into the top of it's brain, it even has a seam for aiming, instant release and no suffering.
Alternatively, pop along to Morrison's and ask those really helpful guys on the Fish and Shellfish counter to do It for you and even dress It to your Individual requirements.
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Such a shame Oscar NEVER reads others posts properly. I refuse to repeat my reasons as to why OSCARS petition will never make it. I didn't say others wouldn't as of course they are sensibly worded and actually make sense.
Over and out, yet another wasted space thread that is not an argument, never has been and never will be whilst Oscar runs around refusing to address actual points made and refuses to see evidence slap bang in front of her face.
It's like trying to debate with a two year old.
Over and out, yet another wasted space thread that is not an argument, never has been and never will be whilst Oscar runs around refusing to address actual points made and refuses to see evidence slap bang in front of her face.
It's like trying to debate with a two year old.
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Betty Boop;1453613 wrote: Such a shame Oscar NEVER reads others posts properly. I refuse to repeat my reasons as to why OSCARS petition will never make it. I didn't say others wouldn't as of course they are sensibly worded and actually make sense.
Over and out, yet another wasted space thread that is not an argument, never has been and never will be whilst Oscar runs around refusing to address actual points made and refuses to see evidence slap bang in front of her face.
It's like trying to debate with a two year old. Betty you do not debate, please don't think you do.
You have been offered a host of links to debate and result with Insults and play the race card. You also add misinformation such as the debate will not reach Parliament when you are clearly out of touch.
Why can't you ask a simple question Betty.?
Do you think Muslims would eat meat blessed In the name of Christ ?
If we exempt some slaughter houses on religious grounds, are you saying some terrorist attacks should be exempt from prosecution because the words Allahu Akbar were chanted when they killed Innocent people? After all, It's a perfectly reasonable parallel to assume from you.
I am equally against male circumcision In the Jewish faith and FGM In some Christian African countries....
If you want to debate, then debate the links I have provided Instead of taking this off to make accusations you have absolutely no clue as to wether are true or not. Your argument here Is not to debate.
You have also stated there Is no evidence to show the animal does not suffer while having It's throat cut without pre-stunning. So, I take It from that, you have actual documented evidence that It does not. Or would you just be going by claims and theory ?
Over and out, yet another wasted space thread that is not an argument, never has been and never will be whilst Oscar runs around refusing to address actual points made and refuses to see evidence slap bang in front of her face.
It's like trying to debate with a two year old. Betty you do not debate, please don't think you do.
You have been offered a host of links to debate and result with Insults and play the race card. You also add misinformation such as the debate will not reach Parliament when you are clearly out of touch.
Why can't you ask a simple question Betty.?
Do you think Muslims would eat meat blessed In the name of Christ ?
If we exempt some slaughter houses on religious grounds, are you saying some terrorist attacks should be exempt from prosecution because the words Allahu Akbar were chanted when they killed Innocent people? After all, It's a perfectly reasonable parallel to assume from you.
I am equally against male circumcision In the Jewish faith and FGM In some Christian African countries....
If you want to debate, then debate the links I have provided Instead of taking this off to make accusations you have absolutely no clue as to wether are true or not. Your argument here Is not to debate.
You have also stated there Is no evidence to show the animal does not suffer while having It's throat cut without pre-stunning. So, I take It from that, you have actual documented evidence that It does not. Or would you just be going by claims and theory ?
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You do know that Sikh's won't eat meat slaughtered In " The Muslim way " ?
Sikhism Religion of the Sikh People
The Sikh Rehat Maryada (The Official Code of Conduct)
An Amritdhari Khalsa Sikh is not allowed to eat the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way
Must be racist and despise Islam
ETA... why Hindu's will not eat meat killed the Muslim way.
http://news.wikinut.com/Slaughtering-of ... /30qjup8u/
Sikhism Religion of the Sikh People
The Sikh Rehat Maryada (The Official Code of Conduct)
An Amritdhari Khalsa Sikh is not allowed to eat the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way
Must be racist and despise Islam
ETA... why Hindu's will not eat meat killed the Muslim way.
http://news.wikinut.com/Slaughtering-of ... /30qjup8u/
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An Interesting perspective by a Muslim In today's Mail
This is covert religious extremism and creeping Islamic fundamentalism making its way into Britain by the back door. It is completely wrong that the food sensitivities of Britain’s Muslims — who amount to just 4.8 per cent of the population — should take precedence over the other 95 per cent.
Halal meat should never be forced on customers without their knowing, surreptitiously and using clandestine methods. It’s unfair to everyone, non-Muslims and Muslims alike. It’s deception on a grand scale for the former, while it could fuel bitter resentment against the latter.
Of course I understand that many of my fellow Muslims, who are moderates not militants, will feel strongly that they wish to eat meat that has been killed by customary halal methods — and they have a perfect right to do so.
Read more: We Muslims should be appalled by the sale of halal meat by stealth | Mail Online
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This is covert religious extremism and creeping Islamic fundamentalism making its way into Britain by the back door. It is completely wrong that the food sensitivities of Britain’s Muslims — who amount to just 4.8 per cent of the population — should take precedence over the other 95 per cent.
Halal meat should never be forced on customers without their knowing, surreptitiously and using clandestine methods. It’s unfair to everyone, non-Muslims and Muslims alike. It’s deception on a grand scale for the former, while it could fuel bitter resentment against the latter.
Of course I understand that many of my fellow Muslims, who are moderates not militants, will feel strongly that they wish to eat meat that has been killed by customary halal methods — and they have a perfect right to do so.
Read more: We Muslims should be appalled by the sale of halal meat by stealth | Mail Online
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I just don't get what's going on in Britain. Here, we have kosher restaurants (very few are left) or places that sell Halal. It is clearly stated you are eating Halal, no subterfuge. In public schools, there is no kosher or Halal food, just regular American slop. When I had cancer I spent over 4 weeks in a Jewish hospital, where they were kosher. Most of the patients weren't Jewish. Food is food. At the senior center (did I just say that?) I take a class in, they are strictly kosher in their meals. You can't even bring in food from the outside because some old Jew might die from shock, but so what?
How has eating become an act of creeping extremism? It makes no sense to me. I said from the start, most European nations can't deal with mass immigration, & maybe they shouldn't have to. In the USA, anything goes, we all mix it up & no one cares, except a few stubborn nut cases.
How has eating become an act of creeping extremism? It makes no sense to me. I said from the start, most European nations can't deal with mass immigration, & maybe they shouldn't have to. In the USA, anything goes, we all mix it up & no one cares, except a few stubborn nut cases.
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AnneBoleyn;1453661 wrote: I just don't get what's going on in Britain. Here, we have kosher restaurants (very few are left) or places that sell Halal. It is clearly stated you are eating Halal, no subterfuge. In public schools, there is no kosher or Halal food, just regular American slop. When I had cancer I spent over 4 weeks in a Jewish hospital, where they were kosher. Most of the patients weren't Jewish. Food is food. At the senior center (did I just say that?) I take a class in, they are strictly kosher in their meals. You can't even bring in food from the outside because some old Jew might die from shock, but so what?
How has eating become an act of creeping extremism? It makes no sense to me. I said from the start, most European nations can't deal with mass immigration, & maybe they shouldn't have to. In the USA, anything goes, we all mix it up & no one cares, except a few stubborn nut cases.
I see your point Anne.
When we celebrate the Festival of Eid with our Muslim friends, there Is an acceptance and tolerance. In fact we always feel honoured to be Invited. They cook their Halal food In their Kitchens and we cook ours In our kitchen. At the party, both are clearly labelled but both sides are tolerant of each other and respect the fact that It comes down to choice. They don't say we can only be Invited providing we eat Halal.
We have advertising laws here Anne and It's Ironic that the one's who whined so much about horse meat turning up In beef products without being clearly labelled are not so bothered about Halal not being labelled as standard.
Every Individual has a right to know what they are eating just as much as British Muslims want assurance that they are not eating non Halal. Yet laws work both ways.
When Halal meat Is put Into school meals without parents knowledge and when we are duped Into buying something because It's not clearly labelled, then It Is wrong.
It Is no different than a consumer choosing not to buy eggs from battery held hens. It's no different In wanting to know If food Is free range, chemical free, or knowing where the meat Is sourced. If Halal Is clearly labelled, then the consumer can boycott It If they wanted exactly the same as a Muslim can boycott British meat.
Yet Muslim In the article Is right. It's when It's put Into the food chain without anyone's knowledge.
How has eating become an act of creeping extremism? It makes no sense to me. I said from the start, most European nations can't deal with mass immigration, & maybe they shouldn't have to. In the USA, anything goes, we all mix it up & no one cares, except a few stubborn nut cases.
I see your point Anne.
When we celebrate the Festival of Eid with our Muslim friends, there Is an acceptance and tolerance. In fact we always feel honoured to be Invited. They cook their Halal food In their Kitchens and we cook ours In our kitchen. At the party, both are clearly labelled but both sides are tolerant of each other and respect the fact that It comes down to choice. They don't say we can only be Invited providing we eat Halal.
We have advertising laws here Anne and It's Ironic that the one's who whined so much about horse meat turning up In beef products without being clearly labelled are not so bothered about Halal not being labelled as standard.
Every Individual has a right to know what they are eating just as much as British Muslims want assurance that they are not eating non Halal. Yet laws work both ways.
When Halal meat Is put Into school meals without parents knowledge and when we are duped Into buying something because It's not clearly labelled, then It Is wrong.
It Is no different than a consumer choosing not to buy eggs from battery held hens. It's no different In wanting to know If food Is free range, chemical free, or knowing where the meat Is sourced. If Halal Is clearly labelled, then the consumer can boycott It If they wanted exactly the same as a Muslim can boycott British meat.
Yet Muslim In the article Is right. It's when It's put Into the food chain without anyone's knowledge.
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What is the point of the subterfuge? It reminds me of stories of the ancient days of the Jews when foreigners would drop coins at the feet of their religious statues, hoping the Jewish kids, in bending to get the money, would then be bowing before these statues. If the kids didn't go for the money, knowing this, in the words of the old tomes, the kids would be "put to death".
Are people saying that not informing the eaters that the meat is Halal is a form of forced conversion? I really just don't get it.
Are people saying that not informing the eaters that the meat is Halal is a form of forced conversion? I really just don't get it.
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AnneBoleyn;1453665 wrote: What is the point of the subterfuge? It reminds me of stories of the ancient days of the Jews when foreigners would drop coins at the feet of their religious statues, hoping the Jewish kids, in bending to get the money, would then be bowing before these statues. If the kids didn't go for the money, knowing this, in the words of the old tomes, the kids would be "put to death".
Are people saying that not informing the eaters that the meat is Halal is a form of forced conversion? I really just don't get it.
There are many theories now as to why Halal has been able to be sold unwittingly.
I don't believe It's down to alarmist ' forced conversion' per say.
My theory Is that the Halal meat market In the UK Is worth 5 billion.
I think It's simply the case that with Immigration came the demand. With Supermarkets being the greedy bunch they are, they started to sell Halal meat to accomodate the Muslim population which Is growing all the time. However, knowing that they could see British people boycott their stores because they were selling It, they all kept the sale hushed up. Along with that, maybe Halal butchers being able to undercut British farmers price wise. Then after a while, a few years of nobody realising what they were eating, they have been exposed. I think It comes down to a complacency by giant chains that the supermarket giants can flout advertising laws and It doesn't really matter If British don't know what they are eating and are denied that choice.... just my theory.
Top supermarkets secretly sell halal: Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose, and M&S don't tell us meat is ritually slaughtered | Mail Online
Are people saying that not informing the eaters that the meat is Halal is a form of forced conversion? I really just don't get it.
There are many theories now as to why Halal has been able to be sold unwittingly.
I don't believe It's down to alarmist ' forced conversion' per say.
My theory Is that the Halal meat market In the UK Is worth 5 billion.
I think It's simply the case that with Immigration came the demand. With Supermarkets being the greedy bunch they are, they started to sell Halal meat to accomodate the Muslim population which Is growing all the time. However, knowing that they could see British people boycott their stores because they were selling It, they all kept the sale hushed up. Along with that, maybe Halal butchers being able to undercut British farmers price wise. Then after a while, a few years of nobody realising what they were eating, they have been exposed. I think It comes down to a complacency by giant chains that the supermarket giants can flout advertising laws and It doesn't really matter If British don't know what they are eating and are denied that choice.... just my theory.
Top supermarkets secretly sell halal: Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose, and M&S don't tell us meat is ritually slaughtered | Mail Online
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I don't know the prices here of halal meat, but kosher is more expensive.
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PS--Personally, if the quality is good, I don't care which meat I'd be eating. It's the quality that matters most to me.
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AnneBoleyn;1453672 wrote: PS--Personally, if the quality is good, I don't care which meat I'd be eating. It's the quality that matters most to me.
Ironically, I was shopping In my favourite ethnic emporium on The Stapleton Road, Bristol Yesterday. Oh, one can buy such wonderous things there ranging from fresh olive's to ghee to Jamaican spices. At the back of the store away from the shelves Is the Halal Butchers counter. I like that.... at the back so as not to offend but with a clear sign pointing to the Halal Butcher for those who want It.... That's mutual tolerance.
I looked on the counter and saw fresh lambs heads for sale at just £2.50 each. They make the most amazing stock..... I was so tempted but no, principle took over.
Ironically, I was shopping In my favourite ethnic emporium on The Stapleton Road, Bristol Yesterday. Oh, one can buy such wonderous things there ranging from fresh olive's to ghee to Jamaican spices. At the back of the store away from the shelves Is the Halal Butchers counter. I like that.... at the back so as not to offend but with a clear sign pointing to the Halal Butcher for those who want It.... That's mutual tolerance.
I looked on the counter and saw fresh lambs heads for sale at just £2.50 each. They make the most amazing stock..... I was so tempted but no, principle took over.
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I must go now, but I didn't want you to think I just dropped off the planet. Take care, friend, see you tomorrow.
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AnneBoleyn;1453675 wrote: I must go now, but I didn't want you to think I just dropped off the planet. Take care, friend, see you tomorrow. And you Anne. It's been good.
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Oscar Mate;1453674 wrote: They make the most amazing stock..... I was so tempted but no, principle took over.
Why ? Afraid of being converted ?
Why ? Afraid of being converted ?
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Bruv;1453677 wrote: Why ? Afraid of being converted ? Yeah that'll be It. One minute buying a Lamb's head In downtown Bristol and the next up to my tits In sand being stoned to death In an Iranian desert.
Or alternatively, I could exercise my right as a British citizen to know wether my food has been pre-stunned or not.
Or alternatively, I could exercise my right as a British citizen to know wether my food has been pre-stunned or not.
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Cameron back tracks today.... oh oh... he's caving.
Halal Hysteria Hits Cameron: Now PM Has Second Thoughts Over Labelling Of Ritually-Slaughtered Meat
Halal Hysteria Hits Cameron: Now PM Has Second Thoughts Over Labelling Of Ritually-Slaughtered Meat
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Oscar Mate;1453605 wrote: We are respectful enough to not try to ram our faith onto others.
Perhaps the crux of the whole issue.
It is only a matter of time before I start telling these Jehova's Witness to F-off .... feigning bright-day greetings then trying to pressure me to read one their pamphlets, a sardonicus smile stretched across their faces, only to drop like a bucket of wet cement once they turn away.
Perhaps the crux of the whole issue.
It is only a matter of time before I start telling these Jehova's Witness to F-off .... feigning bright-day greetings then trying to pressure me to read one their pamphlets, a sardonicus smile stretched across their faces, only to drop like a bucket of wet cement once they turn away.
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AnneBoleyn;1453661 wrote: I just don't get what's going on .....
It's circumnavigating the law is what's going on, and whether ethnic standards and culture are legally exempt.
It's circumnavigating the law is what's going on, and whether ethnic standards and culture are legally exempt.
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High Threshold;1453692 wrote: Perhaps the crux of the whole issue.
It is only a matter of time before I start telling these Jehova's Witness to F-off .... feigning bright-day greetings then trying to pressure me to read one their pamphlets, a sardonicus smile stretched across their faces, only to drop like a bucket of wet cement once they turn away.
Do you get many calling where you live ?
We used to get them until one day my husband went to the door and asked If they had come to collect the body.
I will always read the pamphlets because I do actually like to learn what I can.
When I first started my job escorting brain damaged children In transit, my taxi driver Is Muslim. Yet unlike our close Muslim friends, he believed there was only one Phrophet and only one god. I was stuck In a taxi, a captive audience with him for 6 hours a day.
When we first met, he was a nightmare especially when he'd come straight from the Mosque and was hyper. It got to a stage where we were on the point of falling out big time. It was the day he tried telling me that the Phrophet Mohammed was the Father of Jesus Christ. After weeks and weeks of this, and trying not be be offensive to him, I finally said ' where the heck are you being told this s.hit' ?
We had a heated debate all day and finally we reached an understanding. Since that day, we have become close friends, very close friends and ring each other at least once a day just for a catch up. I think the world of him now and would do anything to help him. God, we laugh so much together.
It is only a matter of time before I start telling these Jehova's Witness to F-off .... feigning bright-day greetings then trying to pressure me to read one their pamphlets, a sardonicus smile stretched across their faces, only to drop like a bucket of wet cement once they turn away.
Do you get many calling where you live ?
We used to get them until one day my husband went to the door and asked If they had come to collect the body.
I will always read the pamphlets because I do actually like to learn what I can.
When I first started my job escorting brain damaged children In transit, my taxi driver Is Muslim. Yet unlike our close Muslim friends, he believed there was only one Phrophet and only one god. I was stuck In a taxi, a captive audience with him for 6 hours a day.
When we first met, he was a nightmare especially when he'd come straight from the Mosque and was hyper. It got to a stage where we were on the point of falling out big time. It was the day he tried telling me that the Phrophet Mohammed was the Father of Jesus Christ. After weeks and weeks of this, and trying not be be offensive to him, I finally said ' where the heck are you being told this s.hit' ?
We had a heated debate all day and finally we reached an understanding. Since that day, we have become close friends, very close friends and ring each other at least once a day just for a catch up. I think the world of him now and would do anything to help him. God, we laugh so much together.
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Oscar Mate;1453706 wrote: Do you get many calling where you live ?
They pop up when you east expect them. Almost always non-Swedes, willing to talk your ear off but not listening to a word you say. They make it seem like meeting you is the highlight of their day but don't really give a stuff about who you are, what you think, or how uncomfortable they make you ...... trying to find a gap in their blabber in order to inform them that you aren't interested or even disinterested. They're pretty much classified as a "cult", here in Sweden, and there is talk about members finding it near-impossible to break away once they're in.
They don't celebrate birthdays and they don't display the cross because they believe it would have been impossible for Jesus to be "nailed" to one - as the flesh would have given way and his body slithered to the ground. That's their business, but I don't appreciate strangers blocking my stride with false greetings, taking advantage of my helpful nature. I will gladly be late for work or for an appointment to aid someone in need, but I have no tolerance for someone who wants to side-track me by feigning need, only to find they're trying selling me something.
They pop up when you east expect them. Almost always non-Swedes, willing to talk your ear off but not listening to a word you say. They make it seem like meeting you is the highlight of their day but don't really give a stuff about who you are, what you think, or how uncomfortable they make you ...... trying to find a gap in their blabber in order to inform them that you aren't interested or even disinterested. They're pretty much classified as a "cult", here in Sweden, and there is talk about members finding it near-impossible to break away once they're in.
They don't celebrate birthdays and they don't display the cross because they believe it would have been impossible for Jesus to be "nailed" to one - as the flesh would have given way and his body slithered to the ground. That's their business, but I don't appreciate strangers blocking my stride with false greetings, taking advantage of my helpful nature. I will gladly be late for work or for an appointment to aid someone in need, but I have no tolerance for someone who wants to side-track me by feigning need, only to find they're trying selling me something.
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High Threshold;1453717 wrote: They pop up when you east expect them. Almost always non-Swedes, willing to talk your ear off but not listening to a word you say. They make it seem like meeting you is the highlight of their day but don't really give a stuff about who you are, what you think, or how uncomfortable they make you ...... trying to find a gap in their blabber in order to inform them that you aren't interested or even disinterested. They're pretty much classified as a "cult", here in Sweden, and there is talk about members finding it near-impossible to break away once they're in.
They don't celebrate birthdays and they don't display the cross because they believe it would have been impossible for Jesus to be "nailed" to one - as the flesh would have given way and his body slithered to the ground. That's their business, but I don't appreciate strangers blocking my stride with false greetings, taking advantage of my helpful nature. I will gladly be late for work or for an appointment to aid someone in need, but I have no tolerance for someone who wants to side-track me by feigning need, only to find they're trying selling me something. The one's In my area seem quite respective and I have never been approached In the street but they do door knock. A few years ago, I did Invite them In. It was a shocker of a day, rain, gale force winds and one young girl looked half frozen. I made them all tea and we chatted for half hour or so about all sorts. They were pleasant people. They asked If they could leave me some Pamphlets and I promised to read them.
I'm similar to you In that I want nothing rammed down my throat or aggressive attempted Indoctrination but I am tolerant to all religions.
Denmark has banned Halal
Denmark to ban halal and kosher slaughter methods | EuropeNews
Been shopping today and went to a Supermarket Giant I don't usually shop at. All I can say Is a massive well done to Aldi for displaying clearly the British farm reared logo of the Union Jack along with ' British' on all their meat. It made choice so much simpler.
They don't celebrate birthdays and they don't display the cross because they believe it would have been impossible for Jesus to be "nailed" to one - as the flesh would have given way and his body slithered to the ground. That's their business, but I don't appreciate strangers blocking my stride with false greetings, taking advantage of my helpful nature. I will gladly be late for work or for an appointment to aid someone in need, but I have no tolerance for someone who wants to side-track me by feigning need, only to find they're trying selling me something. The one's In my area seem quite respective and I have never been approached In the street but they do door knock. A few years ago, I did Invite them In. It was a shocker of a day, rain, gale force winds and one young girl looked half frozen. I made them all tea and we chatted for half hour or so about all sorts. They were pleasant people. They asked If they could leave me some Pamphlets and I promised to read them.
I'm similar to you In that I want nothing rammed down my throat or aggressive attempted Indoctrination but I am tolerant to all religions.
Denmark has banned Halal
Denmark to ban halal and kosher slaughter methods | EuropeNews
Been shopping today and went to a Supermarket Giant I don't usually shop at. All I can say Is a massive well done to Aldi for displaying clearly the British farm reared logo of the Union Jack along with ' British' on all their meat. It made choice so much simpler.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Mate;1453719 wrote:
Denmark has banned Halal
Denmark to ban halal and kosher slaughter methods | EuropeNews
This will be a blow to Swedish Moslems and Jews as well, as Hallal and Kosher is being imported from across the bridge. Now let's see what will happen with regards circumcisions. The gap is closing.
Denmark has banned Halal
Denmark to ban halal and kosher slaughter methods | EuropeNews
This will be a blow to Swedish Moslems and Jews as well, as Hallal and Kosher is being imported from across the bridge. Now let's see what will happen with regards circumcisions. The gap is closing.
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High Threshold;1453724 wrote: This will be a blow to Swedish Moslems and Jews as well, as Hallal and Kosher is being imported from across the bridge. Now let's see what will happen with regards circumcisions. The gap is closing.
Are things stepping up over there regarding Circumcisions.?
Are things stepping up over there regarding Circumcisions.?
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Oscar Mate;1453730 wrote: Are things stepping up over there regarding Circumcisions.?
Well, female circumcision is highly criticized and certainly not allowed in Sweden. Male circumcision can only be performed by registered doctors, and anesthesia must be administered, causing the very same protest by Jews and Moslems for the very same reasons why pre-stunning animals is being criticized. The vast majority of legal doctors in Sweden refuse to circumcise for any other reason than in medically necessary cases. My guess is that it's only a matter of time until religious circumcision will be illegal. Good, say I.
Well, female circumcision is highly criticized and certainly not allowed in Sweden. Male circumcision can only be performed by registered doctors, and anesthesia must be administered, causing the very same protest by Jews and Moslems for the very same reasons why pre-stunning animals is being criticized. The vast majority of legal doctors in Sweden refuse to circumcise for any other reason than in medically necessary cases. My guess is that it's only a matter of time until religious circumcision will be illegal. Good, say I.
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High Threshold;1453733 wrote: Well, female circumcision is highly criticized and certainly not allowed in Sweden. Male circumcision can only be performed by registered doctors, and anesthesia must be administered, causing the very same protest by Jews and Moslems for the very same reasons why pre-stunning animals is being criticized. The vast majority of legal doctors in Sweden refuse to circumcise for any other reason than in medically necessary cases. My guess is that it's only a matter of time until religious circumcision will be illegal. Good, say I. That's Interesting. I'll keep my eye on developments In Sweden. That's also Interesting and for me, a step In the right direction. The UK can look to Sweden.
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Just checked my petition.... 7,020 signatures and hopefully, still rising.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Mate;1453737 wrote: That's Interesting. I'll keep my eye on developments In Sweden. That's also Interesting and for me, a step In the right direction. The UK can look to Sweden.
Any doubters ought to see this and think again.
Any doubters ought to see this and think again.
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High Threshold;1453717 wrote: They pop up when you east expect them. Almost always non-Swedes, willing to talk your ear off but not listening to a word you say. They make it seem like meeting you is the highlight of their day but don't really give a stuff about who you are, what you think, or how uncomfortable they make you ...... trying to find a gap in their blabber in order to inform them that you aren't interested or even disinterested. They're pretty much classified as a "cult", here in Sweden, and there is talk about members finding it near-impossible to break away once they're in.
They don't celebrate birthdays and they don't display the cross because they believe it would have been impossible for Jesus to be "nailed" to one - as the flesh would have given way and his body slithered to the ground. That's their business, but I don't appreciate strangers blocking my stride with false greetings, taking advantage of my helpful nature. I will gladly be late for work or for an appointment to aid someone in need, but I have no tolerance for someone who wants to side-track me by feigning need, only to find they're trying selling me something.
Tell them you believe in the cosmic comedian - lifes a joke we just don't know the punchline. They have stock answers for everything I find that leaves them speechless. Usually I just say not interested and shut the door no matter who it is, we have mormons and plymouth brethern coming round sometimes. They've stopped callng mostly.
They don't celebrate birthdays and they don't display the cross because they believe it would have been impossible for Jesus to be "nailed" to one - as the flesh would have given way and his body slithered to the ground. That's their business, but I don't appreciate strangers blocking my stride with false greetings, taking advantage of my helpful nature. I will gladly be late for work or for an appointment to aid someone in need, but I have no tolerance for someone who wants to side-track me by feigning need, only to find they're trying selling me something.
Tell them you believe in the cosmic comedian - lifes a joke we just don't know the punchline. They have stock answers for everything I find that leaves them speechless. Usually I just say not interested and shut the door no matter who it is, we have mormons and plymouth brethern coming round sometimes. They've stopped callng mostly.
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gmc;1453770 wrote: Tell them you believe in the cosmic comedian - lifes a joke we just don't know the punchline. They have stock answers for everything I find that leaves them speechless. Usually I just say not interested and shut the door no matter who it is, we have mormons and plymouth brethern coming round sometimes. They've stopped callng mostly.
Well, it's as you say "They have stock answers for everything" and most importantly they're NOT LISTENING. The only questions they ask are unimportant and serve only to give you the illusion that you're having "a dialog" when all it really is, is a preaching monologue. I tried saying that I'm a Buddhist but all I ever got was, "Oh yeah, but ...... " I sat down next to a woman on the bus the other day. She muttered something about the weather and I agreed. She was clutching a copy of the Watchtower and as soon as I got comfortable she tried to slide it under my forward gaze. "No thanks, not interested", I said. For the rest of the short journey she held it up in front of her face (so that it could clearly be seen by anyone looking in her direction) but she wasn't reading it. She was looking out of the window mostly but turned a page now and then to make it seem she was pondering the messages within. :wah:
We also have Mormons and Plymouth brethren but I've never known them to knock on doors or impose in any other way. I see those American lads in town with the name tags over their breast pockets but if you don't approach them I don't think they'll say a word to you. Always in pairs, they seem to be going somewhere.
Well, it's as you say "They have stock answers for everything" and most importantly they're NOT LISTENING. The only questions they ask are unimportant and serve only to give you the illusion that you're having "a dialog" when all it really is, is a preaching monologue. I tried saying that I'm a Buddhist but all I ever got was, "Oh yeah, but ...... " I sat down next to a woman on the bus the other day. She muttered something about the weather and I agreed. She was clutching a copy of the Watchtower and as soon as I got comfortable she tried to slide it under my forward gaze. "No thanks, not interested", I said. For the rest of the short journey she held it up in front of her face (so that it could clearly be seen by anyone looking in her direction) but she wasn't reading it. She was looking out of the window mostly but turned a page now and then to make it seem she was pondering the messages within. :wah:
We also have Mormons and Plymouth brethren but I've never known them to knock on doors or impose in any other way. I see those American lads in town with the name tags over their breast pockets but if you don't approach them I don't think they'll say a word to you. Always in pairs, they seem to be going somewhere.
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My petition has reached over 8,000 signatures today.
How ever anyone disapproves of the statement or cause, I still think that's a lot of people. Should those people be Ignored?
How ever anyone disapproves of the statement or cause, I still think that's a lot of people. Should those people be Ignored?
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Oscar Mate;1453891 wrote: My petition has reached over 8,000 signatures today.
...... Should those people be Ignored?
1). What is the population of the UK compared with 8,000?
2). Does banning Hallal practices put you on the wrong side of the law?
...... Should those people be Ignored?
1). What is the population of the UK compared with 8,000?
2). Does banning Hallal practices put you on the wrong side of the law?
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High Threshold;1453893 wrote: 1). What is the population of the UK compared with 8,000?
2). Does banning Hallal practices put you on the wrong side of the law? The purpose Is to open up debate with those Involved. It's a start. It's a chance to sit down and hear all sides of the subject.
As I said before, all E petitions have to be government approved before going live. If It was In any way on the wrong side of the law, then It simply would not have been given the stamp of approval.
To be honest, I don't care what some people think. I have a problem with my food being blessed In the name of Allah and some slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws.
I have no time for these armchair critics. The people who sit around whining and whinging about something they don't like and do nothing. Years later when It's an epidemic, those very people say ' why didn't someone do something' ?
My campaigns may not come to anything. People may not agree with me but I can always say that I did something.
2). Does banning Hallal practices put you on the wrong side of the law? The purpose Is to open up debate with those Involved. It's a start. It's a chance to sit down and hear all sides of the subject.
As I said before, all E petitions have to be government approved before going live. If It was In any way on the wrong side of the law, then It simply would not have been given the stamp of approval.
To be honest, I don't care what some people think. I have a problem with my food being blessed In the name of Allah and some slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws.
I have no time for these armchair critics. The people who sit around whining and whinging about something they don't like and do nothing. Years later when It's an epidemic, those very people say ' why didn't someone do something' ?
My campaigns may not come to anything. People may not agree with me but I can always say that I did something.
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Oscar Mate;1453898 wrote: The purpose Is to open up debate with those Involved. It's a start. It's a chance to sit down and hear all sides of the subject.
As I said before, all E petitions have to be government approved before going live. If It was In any way on the wrong side of the law, then It simply would not have been given the stamp of approval.
To be honest, I don't care what some people think. I have a problem with my food being blessed In the name of Allah and some slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws.
I have no time for these armchair critics. The people who sit around whining and whinging about something they don't like and do nothing. Years later when It's an epidemic, those very people say ' why didn't someone do something' ?
My campaigns may not come to anything. People may not agree with me but I can always say that I did something.
I'm on your side. But you asked if 8,000 can be ignored and I think I made the point that "yes" it can .... under the some circumstances.
Oscar Mate;1453898 wrote: I have a problem with ..... some slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws.
That's the part I'm fully on-board with.
As I said before, all E petitions have to be government approved before going live. If It was In any way on the wrong side of the law, then It simply would not have been given the stamp of approval.
To be honest, I don't care what some people think. I have a problem with my food being blessed In the name of Allah and some slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws.
I have no time for these armchair critics. The people who sit around whining and whinging about something they don't like and do nothing. Years later when It's an epidemic, those very people say ' why didn't someone do something' ?
My campaigns may not come to anything. People may not agree with me but I can always say that I did something.
I'm on your side. But you asked if 8,000 can be ignored and I think I made the point that "yes" it can .... under the some circumstances.
Oscar Mate;1453898 wrote: I have a problem with ..... some slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws.
That's the part I'm fully on-board with.
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High Threshold;1453900 wrote: I'm on your side. But you asked if 8,000 can be ignored and I think I made the point that "yes" it can .... under the some circumstances.
That's the part I'm fully on-board with. Ironically, those who play the race card seem to missing the fact that Islam Is not a race but a religion. It Is the religious prayer on slaughter we object to. We are not objecting to a race of people but a religion. Some can't seem to grasp that.
Every campaign has to start somewhere. Many years ago, I was actively Instramental In banning Fox Hunting In this country. Held demo's, marched on Westminster, sabotaged hunts, the lot. That also started with a few petitions. Then just like non stun slaughter, people start to take notice and look Into things a little more. Awareness creeps In by stealth. The media start to take notice. MP's start to take notice.
When I look back to those days and the people who told us we would never change the law to protect Foxes, we could have given up then. Finally under the Blair government we proved that Fox Hunting was cruel and utterly futile given their breeding cycles. I still believe to this day that It was the one law that was changed by Blair for the people by the people. But you have to start somewhere. Rome wasn't built In a day.
What I won't do, Is turn a blind eye, hope someone else will do the talking and the hard work and If that p.isses off some people, then tough titty...
That's the part I'm fully on-board with. Ironically, those who play the race card seem to missing the fact that Islam Is not a race but a religion. It Is the religious prayer on slaughter we object to. We are not objecting to a race of people but a religion. Some can't seem to grasp that.
Every campaign has to start somewhere. Many years ago, I was actively Instramental In banning Fox Hunting In this country. Held demo's, marched on Westminster, sabotaged hunts, the lot. That also started with a few petitions. Then just like non stun slaughter, people start to take notice and look Into things a little more. Awareness creeps In by stealth. The media start to take notice. MP's start to take notice.
When I look back to those days and the people who told us we would never change the law to protect Foxes, we could have given up then. Finally under the Blair government we proved that Fox Hunting was cruel and utterly futile given their breeding cycles. I still believe to this day that It was the one law that was changed by Blair for the people by the people. But you have to start somewhere. Rome wasn't built In a day.
What I won't do, Is turn a blind eye, hope someone else will do the talking and the hard work and If that p.isses off some people, then tough titty...
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Oscar Mate;1453891 wrote: My petition has reached over 8,000 signatures today.
How ever anyone disapproves of the statement or cause, I still think that's a lot of people. Should those people be Ignored?
In certain circumstances, & I'm not specifying your petition, people & their idiocies should be ignored.& I'm definitely not calling you an idiot, just saying sometimes some opinions should be ignored.
How ever anyone disapproves of the statement or cause, I still think that's a lot of people. Should those people be Ignored?
In certain circumstances, & I'm not specifying your petition, people & their idiocies should be ignored.& I'm definitely not calling you an idiot, just saying sometimes some opinions should be ignored.
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Oscar Mate;1453902 wrote: ..... those who play the race card seem to missing the fact that Islam Is not a race but a religion ....... We are not objecting to a race of people but a religion. Some can't seem to grasp that.
Don't I just know it.
Oscar Mate;1453902 wrote: It Is the religious prayer on slaughter we object to.
Personally, I think you're doing your cause a disservice by taking this line as your "main objection". Taking this road may arouse the very "it's racism!" people who will shout you down. Much better (thinks I) to highlight the "slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws" . This argument will get everyone on board, including the anti-racists who don't really understand the difference but will otherwise hinder you none-the-less.
In other words ...
1). Taking the chance of it being INTERPRETED as "racist" will get you the signature of Right-Wingers and neo-Nazis.
2). Playing the "animal rights" card will get you the signature of vegetarian, anti-meat eaters and Auntie Violet with her 12 cats.
3). Taking a stance against a specific religion ("We are .... objecting to .... a religion", as you say) will get the signature of Bible-bashing Christian.
4). BUT stating your crusade against "slaughterhouses breaching ..... laws" will get everyone signing.
Are you with me or should I shut up now?
Don't I just know it.
Oscar Mate;1453902 wrote: It Is the religious prayer on slaughter we object to.
Personally, I think you're doing your cause a disservice by taking this line as your "main objection". Taking this road may arouse the very "it's racism!" people who will shout you down. Much better (thinks I) to highlight the "slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws" . This argument will get everyone on board, including the anti-racists who don't really understand the difference but will otherwise hinder you none-the-less.
In other words ...
1). Taking the chance of it being INTERPRETED as "racist" will get you the signature of Right-Wingers and neo-Nazis.
2). Playing the "animal rights" card will get you the signature of vegetarian, anti-meat eaters and Auntie Violet with her 12 cats.
3). Taking a stance against a specific religion ("We are .... objecting to .... a religion", as you say) will get the signature of Bible-bashing Christian.
4). BUT stating your crusade against "slaughterhouses breaching ..... laws" will get everyone signing.
Are you with me or should I shut up now?
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High Threshold;1453907 wrote: Don't I just know it.
Personally, I think you're doing your cause a disservice by taking this line as your "main objection". Taking this road may arouse the very "it's racism!" people who will shout you down. Much better (thinks I) to highlight the "slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws" . This argument will get everyone on board, including the anti-racists who don't really understand the difference but will otherwise hinder you none-the-less.
In other words ...
1). Taking the chance of it being INTERPRETED as "racist" will get you the signature of Right-Wingers and neo-Nazis.
2). Playing the "animal rights" card will get you the signature of vegetarian, anti-meat eaters and Auntie Violet with her 12 cats.
3). Taking a stance against a specific religion ("We are .... objecting to .... a religion", as you say) will get the signature of Bible-bashing Christian.
4). BUT stating your crusade against "slaughterhouses breaching ..... laws" will get everyone signing.
Are you with me or should I shut up now? You raise some very good points so for that I shall explain E Petitions further.
There can be no repetition of any E Petition that's live as your new Petition will be rejected. At the time I submitted mine, there was already an E petition based solely of the animal welfare side and laboured more on the no stun slaughter houses. Thus I was unable to get my petition accepted unless I went along another line, a back door, If you like. There was also another E petition out there on the Christian aspect.
So what's the point of starting another? Horses for courses. Non Christians would not go searching the Christian angle to sign, those who don't care about animal welfare would not go looking for the animal cruelty petition. What another petition does, even through the back door, Is reach a far wider audience. An audience that maybe go unseen.
Yes, my petition will attract Right wingers... well, two things, one I am Involved with British Far Right, and what does It matter? At the end of the day, most are tax payers, some are Christians, so why should they go Ignored.?
The various E Petitions that are live right now on this subject will be viewed by the department responsible as a whole, mine Is just another angle to attract more signatures and raise more awareness, as we did with Fox Hunting. If you limit your target audience, you are less likely to make any Inroads. You cover all angles...
That's democracy for you. You can't have freedom of speech, freedom of thought and then say ' but hang on, we don't like your views.
Frankly, there Is much about Islam that offends me. Other religions don't offend me. Yes, I have a problem with Islam and the spread of radical Jihad.
I do not want my food blessed In the name of a religion that see's such acts as bombings, FGM, Inequal rights for women, the denial of an education to women and girls, honour killings, stoning women to death, acid attacks on women etc ... acts that are carried out In the name of Islam... It's those aspects of Islam I despise not the people. Problem Is, there people out there who just can't grasp that fact..
Personally, I think you're doing your cause a disservice by taking this line as your "main objection". Taking this road may arouse the very "it's racism!" people who will shout you down. Much better (thinks I) to highlight the "slaughterhouses breaching our animal welfare laws" . This argument will get everyone on board, including the anti-racists who don't really understand the difference but will otherwise hinder you none-the-less.
In other words ...
1). Taking the chance of it being INTERPRETED as "racist" will get you the signature of Right-Wingers and neo-Nazis.
2). Playing the "animal rights" card will get you the signature of vegetarian, anti-meat eaters and Auntie Violet with her 12 cats.
3). Taking a stance against a specific religion ("We are .... objecting to .... a religion", as you say) will get the signature of Bible-bashing Christian.
4). BUT stating your crusade against "slaughterhouses breaching ..... laws" will get everyone signing.
Are you with me or should I shut up now?
You raise some very good points so for that I shall explain E Petitions further.There can be no repetition of any E Petition that's live as your new Petition will be rejected. At the time I submitted mine, there was already an E petition based solely of the animal welfare side and laboured more on the no stun slaughter houses. Thus I was unable to get my petition accepted unless I went along another line, a back door, If you like. There was also another E petition out there on the Christian aspect.
So what's the point of starting another? Horses for courses. Non Christians would not go searching the Christian angle to sign, those who don't care about animal welfare would not go looking for the animal cruelty petition. What another petition does, even through the back door, Is reach a far wider audience. An audience that maybe go unseen.
Yes, my petition will attract Right wingers... well, two things, one I am Involved with British Far Right, and what does It matter? At the end of the day, most are tax payers, some are Christians, so why should they go Ignored.?
The various E Petitions that are live right now on this subject will be viewed by the department responsible as a whole, mine Is just another angle to attract more signatures and raise more awareness, as we did with Fox Hunting. If you limit your target audience, you are less likely to make any Inroads. You cover all angles...
That's democracy for you. You can't have freedom of speech, freedom of thought and then say ' but hang on, we don't like your views.
Frankly, there Is much about Islam that offends me. Other religions don't offend me. Yes, I have a problem with Islam and the spread of radical Jihad.
I do not want my food blessed In the name of a religion that see's such acts as bombings, FGM, Inequal rights for women, the denial of an education to women and girls, honour killings, stoning women to death, acid attacks on women etc ... acts that are carried out In the name of Islam... It's those aspects of Islam I despise not the people. Problem Is, there people out there who just can't grasp that fact..
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Mate;1453908 wrote: ..... If you limit your target audience, you are less likely to make any Inroads. You cover all angles .....
That's exactly what I am trying to tell you. But the successful way to do that is NOT by jotting down a list of targets in order to attract as many of those concerned with a variety of causes because people who will agree with one point will be put off by another one. Better to base a protest on a primary goal that will interest many different angles by natural conviction, because that goal includes a variety of concerned citizens who will make the connection to their own, specific ideas without the need of pointing it out to them.
That's exactly what I am trying to tell you. But the successful way to do that is NOT by jotting down a list of targets in order to attract as many of those concerned with a variety of causes because people who will agree with one point will be put off by another one. Better to base a protest on a primary goal that will interest many different angles by natural conviction, because that goal includes a variety of concerned citizens who will make the connection to their own, specific ideas without the need of pointing it out to them.
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High Threshold;1453914 wrote: That's exactly what I am trying to tell you. But the successful way to do that is NOT by jotting down a list of targets in order to attract as many of those concerned with a variety of causes because people who will agree with one point will be put off by another one. Better to base a protest on a primary goal that will interest many different angles by natural conviction, because that goal includes a variety of concerned citizens who will make the connection to their own, specific ideas without the need of pointing it out to them. I disagree but I see your point. As I said, It's about reaching wider audiences. Also bear In mind, closing dates on petitions. So as one closes, It can not be repeated. By going In on another objective, It keeps the subject concurrent. That's what we did with Fox Hunting, run petitions to several audiences so they continued to keep the subject up for debate. Back then, we went In at all angles, the cruelty to the animal, the Injuries, to horses Involved In Hunts, the deaths of hunting dogs, the effect, the cause, etc,
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This Is from an article back In 2008 but oh the Irony...
Mr Rehman told the paper: "A customer informed us that Sensations Thai Sweet Chilli and Doritos Chilli Heat Wave are not on Walkers' alcohol-free list. Our suppliers were unaware of this.
"Even if it is a trace amount of alcohol, Walkers should make it clear on the packaging so that the customer can make an informed choice.
"I feel frustrated and angry. I have let my customers down simply because such a big company like Walkers is not sensitive to Muslim needs.
Read more: Muslims criticise Walkers after it is revealed that some crisp varieties contain alcohol | Mail Online
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Mr Rehman told the paper: "A customer informed us that Sensations Thai Sweet Chilli and Doritos Chilli Heat Wave are not on Walkers' alcohol-free list. Our suppliers were unaware of this.
"Even if it is a trace amount of alcohol, Walkers should make it clear on the packaging so that the customer can make an informed choice.
"I feel frustrated and angry. I have let my customers down simply because such a big company like Walkers is not sensitive to Muslim needs.
Read more: Muslims criticise Walkers after it is revealed that some crisp varieties contain alcohol | Mail Online
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Oscar Mate;1453424 wrote: Pigs are considered dirty as they can thrive In muck and feces.My pet pig Percival wants me to inform you that pigs do not roll in their own, or for that matter in anyone else's feces. They roll in mud to keep cool in hot weather.
In fact, Percy has his own business, he operates a mud pit where neighboring swine can come and cool off. He calls it "running a muck".
In fact, Percy has his own business, he operates a mud pit where neighboring swine can come and cool off. He calls it "running a muck".
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High Threshold;1453421 wrote: [W]hat about circumcision? What's humane about that?My previous post to this thread was intended to be humorous, on this subject I'm quite serious.
It's humane because it prevents cancer of the penis nearly 100%. The cure for cancer of the penis is just what you think it is.
It's humane because it prevents cancer of the penis nearly 100%. The cure for cancer of the penis is just what you think it is.
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Mark Aspam;1454119 wrote: My pet pig Percival wants me to inform you that pigs do not roll in their own, or for that matter in anyone else's feces. They roll in mud to keep cool in hot weather.
In fact, Percy has his own business, he operates a mud pit where neighboring swine can come and cool off. He calls it "running a muck".
Brilliant!
In fact, Percy has his own business, he operates a mud pit where neighboring swine can come and cool off. He calls it "running a muck".
Brilliant!
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Mark Aspam;1454120 wrote: My previous post to this thread was intended to be humorous, on this subject I'm quite serious.
It's humane because it prevents cancer of the penis nearly 100%. The cure for cancer of the penis is just what you think it is.
Circumcision prevents cancer in a similar way that preemptive removal of the breast might be, except that washing your penis is much simpler. BTW today's doctors would disagree that circumcision cures cancer ... or even prevents it.
Ps. There is NOTHING "humane" about severing the foreskin of an infant.
It's humane because it prevents cancer of the penis nearly 100%. The cure for cancer of the penis is just what you think it is.
Circumcision prevents cancer in a similar way that preemptive removal of the breast might be, except that washing your penis is much simpler. BTW today's doctors would disagree that circumcision cures cancer ... or even prevents it.
Ps. There is NOTHING "humane" about severing the foreskin of an infant.