Snowfire;1328833 wrote: As I've said. Drinking to excess is no excuse for indecent behaviour. We are all responsible for our actions and the consequenses thereof. The very fact she showed no remorse after the fact, indeed said something along the lines of " so what its only dead people", shows that she values little of what the memorial represents and the nature in which she lives her life. No its not the end of civilisation but it doesnt hurt to show our revulsion
There have been occasions when I have done things that, the next day, i have cringed over.
I also know people who's sole reaction to attack is to justify their action.
Put the two together and you have exactly the reaction shown here.
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Bryn Mawr;1328837 wrote: There have been occasions when I have done things that, the next day, i have cringed over.
I also know people who's sole reaction to attack is to justify their action.
Put the two together and you have exactly the reaction shown here. Rubbish........ So by your definition, my nephew Is a poor little lamb who killed some-one because he was so drunk, he did not know what he was doing?
I also know people who's sole reaction to attack is to justify their action.
Put the two together and you have exactly the reaction shown here. Rubbish........ So by your definition, my nephew Is a poor little lamb who killed some-one because he was so drunk, he did not know what he was doing?
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The last thing I want to do is to get a dose of the Daily Mails. It isn't wrong to expect people to behave with a little respect and its natural to be disgusted when they dont. We shouldn't make excuses for their behaviour
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oscar;1328836 wrote: Did she not say that she was embarressed by her actions? That would show recognition to some degree.
I have to say that I find your attitude disgusting and It is this kind of attitude that makes the middle generation and their off-spring the embaressment that we are abroad. Binge drinking, high teenage pregnancy rates and City centres war zones late at night from anti Social behaviour are the direct result of a Bleeding Hearts loony Leftie's who can not recognise and deal with public Indecency.
When folk like you and Spot say this Is no big deal, then that is exactly why this countries morals are In the toilet.
Do you not understand that surviving war veterans have every right to show up at court and display their dis-pleasure? That is the right of a democracy is It not?
The War veterans who showed up at the court most likely served with some of the fallen comrades that the Blackpool memorial represents. To them... That excuse of a human being was urinating on their comrades.
If any-one urinated on my families grave or monument, my family would be out In force at the court.... as any family would.
It is attitudes like yours that has led to the break-down of morals In this country.
My morals are fine, thank you very much.
You have yet to show that she knowingly urinated on a War Grave - whatever the attitude of the RBL they need to demonstrate that to justify their action.
I have to say that I find your attitude disgusting and It is this kind of attitude that makes the middle generation and their off-spring the embaressment that we are abroad. Binge drinking, high teenage pregnancy rates and City centres war zones late at night from anti Social behaviour are the direct result of a Bleeding Hearts loony Leftie's who can not recognise and deal with public Indecency.
When folk like you and Spot say this Is no big deal, then that is exactly why this countries morals are In the toilet.
Do you not understand that surviving war veterans have every right to show up at court and display their dis-pleasure? That is the right of a democracy is It not?
The War veterans who showed up at the court most likely served with some of the fallen comrades that the Blackpool memorial represents. To them... That excuse of a human being was urinating on their comrades.
If any-one urinated on my families grave or monument, my family would be out In force at the court.... as any family would.
It is attitudes like yours that has led to the break-down of morals In this country.
My morals are fine, thank you very much.
You have yet to show that she knowingly urinated on a War Grave - whatever the attitude of the RBL they need to demonstrate that to justify their action.
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oscar;1328842 wrote: Rubbish........ So by your definition, my nephew Is a poor little lamb who killed some-one because he was so drunk, he did not know what he was doing?
No!
There are actions that are ingraned as unacceptable and kicking the sh!t out of a defenceless person is one of them.
There are other actions that are acceptable in some circumstances but not in others - such as pissing up a wall that turns out to be a War Memorial.
No!
There are actions that are ingraned as unacceptable and kicking the sh!t out of a defenceless person is one of them.
There are other actions that are acceptable in some circumstances but not in others - such as pissing up a wall that turns out to be a War Memorial.
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Bryn Mawr;1328845 wrote: My morals are fine, thank you very much.
You have yet to show that she knowingly urinated on a War Grave - whatever the attitude of the RBL they need to demonstrate that to justify their action.
One... She was found guilty In her absence after she fled the court. The court would have needed evidence and as I understand It, there was cctv.
When the Police arrived, she was In the process of a sex act that she admited.
How much evidence would you like?
You have yet to show that she knowingly urinated on a War Grave - whatever the attitude of the RBL they need to demonstrate that to justify their action.
One... She was found guilty In her absence after she fled the court. The court would have needed evidence and as I understand It, there was cctv.
When the Police arrived, she was In the process of a sex act that she admited.
How much evidence would you like?
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There's me expecting some serious flak to my post but you're all too busy bashing each other to notice.:yh_rotfl
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oscar;1328851 wrote: One... She was found guilty In her absence after she fled the court. The court would have needed evidence and as I understand It, there was cctv.
When the Police arrived, she was In the process of a sex act that she admited.
How much evidence would you like?
Found guilty of what?
Public indecency? Certainly, you are found guilt of that for pissing in any public place.
Knowingly pissing on a War Memorial? I think not.
When the Police arrived, she was In the process of a sex act that she admited.
How much evidence would you like?
Found guilty of what?
Public indecency? Certainly, you are found guilt of that for pissing in any public place.
Knowingly pissing on a War Memorial? I think not.
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Bryn Mawr;1328848 wrote: No!
There are actions that are ingraned as unacceptable and kicking the sh!t out of a defenceless person is one of them.
There are other actions that are acceptable in some circumstances but not in others - such as pissing up a wall that turns out to be a War Memorial.
Pissing up against a wall that TURNS out to be a war memorial??? Go back to the opening link Byrn and look at the article with the picture of the memorial...... A blind man with one brain cell could not have missed It.
Taken from the article:
"At a previous hearing, magistrates were shown footage of the incident. Lewis, with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth, could clearly be seen pulling down her jeans while cyclists and members of the public passed by."
How much evidence would the court need?
Read more: Veterans line up to humiliate Wendy Lewis who urinated on war memorial | Mail Online
I do not think your morals are fine actually Bryn... Any-One who excuses this woman and her behaviour does not have morals In my book.
There are actions that are ingraned as unacceptable and kicking the sh!t out of a defenceless person is one of them.
There are other actions that are acceptable in some circumstances but not in others - such as pissing up a wall that turns out to be a War Memorial.
Pissing up against a wall that TURNS out to be a war memorial??? Go back to the opening link Byrn and look at the article with the picture of the memorial...... A blind man with one brain cell could not have missed It.
Taken from the article:
"At a previous hearing, magistrates were shown footage of the incident. Lewis, with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth, could clearly be seen pulling down her jeans while cyclists and members of the public passed by."
How much evidence would the court need?
Read more: Veterans line up to humiliate Wendy Lewis who urinated on war memorial | Mail Online
I do not think your morals are fine actually Bryn... Any-One who excuses this woman and her behaviour does not have morals In my book.
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Does this woman have a home?
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oscar;1328858 wrote: Pissing up against a wall that TURNS out to be a war memorial??? Go back to the opening link Byrn and look at the article with the picture of the memorial...... A blind man with one brain cell could not have missed It.
Taken from the article:
"At a previous hearing, magistrates were shown footage of the incident. Lewis, with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth, could clearly be seen pulling down her jeans while cyclists and members of the public passed by."
How much evidence would the court need?
Read more: Veterans line up to humiliate Wendy Lewis who urinated on war memorial | Mail Online
I do not think your morals are fine actually Bryn... Any-One who excuses this woman and her behaviour does not have morals In my book.
I am suggesting that her capability was less than that of a blind man with one brain cell and that she was quite capable of missing it.
I am not suggesting her behaviour was acceptable.
What I am suggesting is that, whilst she is guilty of public indecency she might not be guilty of deliberately insulting those remembered by the War Memorial.
Care to tell me where my statements are immoral?
Taken from the article:
"At a previous hearing, magistrates were shown footage of the incident. Lewis, with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth, could clearly be seen pulling down her jeans while cyclists and members of the public passed by."
How much evidence would the court need?
Read more: Veterans line up to humiliate Wendy Lewis who urinated on war memorial | Mail Online
I do not think your morals are fine actually Bryn... Any-One who excuses this woman and her behaviour does not have morals In my book.
I am suggesting that her capability was less than that of a blind man with one brain cell and that she was quite capable of missing it.
I am not suggesting her behaviour was acceptable.
What I am suggesting is that, whilst she is guilty of public indecency she might not be guilty of deliberately insulting those remembered by the War Memorial.
Care to tell me where my statements are immoral?
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Saint_;1328791 wrote: Oh, my mistake, I thought someone in your family was a serviceman or servicewoman, all of which I'm sure spot considers "killers." Ouch. Now that I know he was directing a personal comment at an extremely sore spot of yours his views and tactics are even more objectionable to me. Seems like not much changes, eh, Spot? I recall that you and I went around personally years ago as well.
That's a shame because you are easily intelligent enough to make your points without personal attacks.
Actually I took it that way as well. I dare say spot will clarify. methinks oscar is being a bit uncharitable there.
If he was referring to those of us who have "killers" in the family, as in former servicemen. Then like most people in the UK I have parents and grandparents who fall in to that category and a few friends and acquaintances who do as as well.
Personally I've always thought of war memorials not as glorifying war but as remembering the dead and particularly in the case of ww1 so we don't forget the horror and utter stupidity of it all and not make the same mistakes again. Remembrance sunday is a sad occasion not a patriotic one. The Kop in the liverpool football ground is not remember glorious victory. Go to any city or town in europe and you will see the same memorials and lists of names and the same stark reminder pointing at the sky. Those old soldiers have as much right to make their feelings known as anyone else, maybe their presence will help her appreciate the level to which she has allowed herself to sink.
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This is an interesting thought, Snowfire. I wonder what this woman's history is? How did she end up as such a destitute? Maybe her actions were representative of her statement against the state. Not that I condone it. But maybe she feels let down by this constitution.
Somewhere along the line, she was somebody's child.
I agree that pissing on any national edifict is disrespectful. But what has she got to lose? Perhaps she'll get a warm night in a cell.
How quickly we condemn people for what they do befoe we ask why they did it. It is so easy to castigate those with nothing. What do they owe us? Why should they uphold our values when they haven't even a roof to sleep under?
The scum of society. The ones who didn't make it through childhood.
But for the grace of God go I.
And I'm not that far away from them the way things are going.
Your question should be what do they owe themselves.A lot of people grow up on housing schemes in relative poverty without becoming drug addicts and thugs and struggle to make ends meet. I appreciate where you are coming from but at the same time that is an incredibly patronising attitude - poor dears what chance did they have.
The original welfare was seen not merely as a means of meeting a need, but by its organisation, and the means by its delivery, it was conceived as a tool for building good character. It's the patronising middle class intellectual labourites who see welfare as an act of altruism and paternalism and it's recipients as in need of their help that are to blame. Self help is all very well but as any parent will tell you sometimes a kick up the backside is kinder than just saying poor dear what chance did she have. Unless she is feeble minded or mentally incapable she is responsible for her own condition and the decision to get so drunk was hers alone.
That's a shame because you are easily intelligent enough to make your points without personal attacks.
Actually I took it that way as well. I dare say spot will clarify. methinks oscar is being a bit uncharitable there.
If he was referring to those of us who have "killers" in the family, as in former servicemen. Then like most people in the UK I have parents and grandparents who fall in to that category and a few friends and acquaintances who do as as well.
Personally I've always thought of war memorials not as glorifying war but as remembering the dead and particularly in the case of ww1 so we don't forget the horror and utter stupidity of it all and not make the same mistakes again. Remembrance sunday is a sad occasion not a patriotic one. The Kop in the liverpool football ground is not remember glorious victory. Go to any city or town in europe and you will see the same memorials and lists of names and the same stark reminder pointing at the sky. Those old soldiers have as much right to make their feelings known as anyone else, maybe their presence will help her appreciate the level to which she has allowed herself to sink.
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This is an interesting thought, Snowfire. I wonder what this woman's history is? How did she end up as such a destitute? Maybe her actions were representative of her statement against the state. Not that I condone it. But maybe she feels let down by this constitution.
Somewhere along the line, she was somebody's child.
I agree that pissing on any national edifict is disrespectful. But what has she got to lose? Perhaps she'll get a warm night in a cell.
How quickly we condemn people for what they do befoe we ask why they did it. It is so easy to castigate those with nothing. What do they owe us? Why should they uphold our values when they haven't even a roof to sleep under?
The scum of society. The ones who didn't make it through childhood.
But for the grace of God go I.
And I'm not that far away from them the way things are going.
Your question should be what do they owe themselves.A lot of people grow up on housing schemes in relative poverty without becoming drug addicts and thugs and struggle to make ends meet. I appreciate where you are coming from but at the same time that is an incredibly patronising attitude - poor dears what chance did they have.
The original welfare was seen not merely as a means of meeting a need, but by its organisation, and the means by its delivery, it was conceived as a tool for building good character. It's the patronising middle class intellectual labourites who see welfare as an act of altruism and paternalism and it's recipients as in need of their help that are to blame. Self help is all very well but as any parent will tell you sometimes a kick up the backside is kinder than just saying poor dear what chance did she have. Unless she is feeble minded or mentally incapable she is responsible for her own condition and the decision to get so drunk was hers alone.
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Bryn Mawr;1328865 wrote: I am suggesting that her capability was less than that of a blind man with one brain cell and that she was quite capable of missing it.
I am not suggesting her behaviour was acceptable.
What I am suggesting is that, whilst she is guilty of public indecency she might not be guilty of deliberately insulting those remembered by the War Memorial.
Care to tell me where my statements are immoral?
It Is alleged that she told Police... 'So what.. It is dead people'
If that part Is true then It sums up her lack of morals.
I am utterly disgusted by your looney leftie defence of this woman... I would not even allow my dog to lift his leg on a War memorial... But then I happen to care and have some respect.
My own husband has just returned home from his sunday late night exercise of picking up litter on our War memorial left there by teenagers eating fast food. He has also bothered this evening to explain to a group of youngsters what the memorial Is, why It is there and the Importance of them using the bins provided. He does this every weekend.
You carry on making the excuses Bryn.
I am not suggesting her behaviour was acceptable.
What I am suggesting is that, whilst she is guilty of public indecency she might not be guilty of deliberately insulting those remembered by the War Memorial.
Care to tell me where my statements are immoral?
It Is alleged that she told Police... 'So what.. It is dead people'
If that part Is true then It sums up her lack of morals.
I am utterly disgusted by your looney leftie defence of this woman... I would not even allow my dog to lift his leg on a War memorial... But then I happen to care and have some respect.
My own husband has just returned home from his sunday late night exercise of picking up litter on our War memorial left there by teenagers eating fast food. He has also bothered this evening to explain to a group of youngsters what the memorial Is, why It is there and the Importance of them using the bins provided. He does this every weekend.
You carry on making the excuses Bryn.
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oscar;1328871 wrote: It Is alleged that she told Police... 'So what.. It is dead people'
If that part Is true then It sums up her lack of morals.
I am utterly disgusted by your looney leftie defence of this woman... I would not even allow my dog to lift his leg on a War memorial... But then I happen to care and have some respect.
My own husband has just returned home from his sunday late night exercise of picking up litter on our War memorial left there by teenagers eating fast food. He has also bothered this evening to explain to a group of youngsters what the memorial Is, why It is there and the Importance of them using the bins provided. He does this every weekend.
You carry on making the excuses Bryn.
No excuses, questions - of which you've answered none.
If that part Is true then It sums up her lack of morals.
I am utterly disgusted by your looney leftie defence of this woman... I would not even allow my dog to lift his leg on a War memorial... But then I happen to care and have some respect.
My own husband has just returned home from his sunday late night exercise of picking up litter on our War memorial left there by teenagers eating fast food. He has also bothered this evening to explain to a group of youngsters what the memorial Is, why It is there and the Importance of them using the bins provided. He does this every weekend.
You carry on making the excuses Bryn.
No excuses, questions - of which you've answered none.
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Bryn Mawr;1328874 wrote: No excuses, questions - of which you've answered none.
I think this post of yours just about sums up my answer to any of your questions:
Had she knowingly urinated on a War Memorial then I would condemn it out of hand. That she did so in a drunken stupor is no worse than her urinating at the back of the local bike sheds - no insult was intended. It might well be an act of gross indecency but it is scarcely the end of civilisation in Britian as portrayed.
When we as a society even begin to say 'It Is scarely the end of civilisation', we are nuturing another generation of thick, un-educated morons who read your words and actually believe It is no big deal.
We need to show a sense of morality and respect or we sink deeper down that toilet that we are already In.
I think this post of yours just about sums up my answer to any of your questions:
Had she knowingly urinated on a War Memorial then I would condemn it out of hand. That she did so in a drunken stupor is no worse than her urinating at the back of the local bike sheds - no insult was intended. It might well be an act of gross indecency but it is scarcely the end of civilisation in Britian as portrayed.
When we as a society even begin to say 'It Is scarely the end of civilisation', we are nuturing another generation of thick, un-educated morons who read your words and actually believe It is no big deal.
We need to show a sense of morality and respect or we sink deeper down that toilet that we are already In.
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gmc;1328866 wrote: Actually I took it that way as well. I dare say spot will clarify. methinks oscar is being a bit uncharitable there.
If he was referring to those of us who have "killers" in the family, as in former servicemen. Then like most people in the UK I have parents and grandparents who fall in to that category and a few friends and acquaintances who do as as well.
Personally I've always thought of war memorials not as glorifying war but as remembering the dead and particularly in the case of ww1 so we don't forget the horror and utter stupidity of it all and not make the same mistakes again. Remembrance sunday is a sad occasion not a patriotic one. The Kop in the liverpool football ground is not remember glorious victory. Go to any city or town in europe and you will see the same memorials and lists of names and the same stark reminder pointing at the sky. Those old soldiers have as much right to make their feelings known as anyone else, maybe their presence will help her appreciate the level to which she has allowed herself to sink.
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Your question should be what do they owe themselves.A lot of people grow up on housing schemes in relative poverty without becoming drug addicts and thugs and struggle to make ends meet. I appreciate where you are coming from but at the same time that is an incredibly patronising attitude - poor dears what chance did they have.
The original welfare was seen not merely as a means of meeting a need, but by its organisation, and the means by its delivery, it was conceived as a tool for building good character. It's the patronising middle class intellectual labourites who see welfare as an act of altruism and paternalism and it's recipients as in need of their help that are to blame. Self help is all very well but as any parent will tell you sometimes a kick up the backside is kinder than just saying poor dear what chance did she have. Unless she is feeble minded or mentally incapable she is responsible for her own condition and the decision to get so drunk was hers alone.
The welfare state is not as benevolent as you think. Those that live on welfare do not depend on welfare alone to survive. The Government does not believe in giving even genuine dependents enough to pay their bills. Even when frugality is applied. Unless you have lived amongst these people, you have no idea of what their lives are like.
The Government gives everyone one chance only. They give every child daily indoctrination, sorry, schooling, and then it's up to the child. Never mind if the schooling experience is nothing like work experience.
Those that know they won't make it are the most likely to survive. They don't wait till they finish going to school. They get out and start making money and are proud of their achievements.
Then there are those kids that push themselves through school for their parents. They have been taught that it's the right thing to do. And, indeed, it is. But they fail in life in general. They are urged to but not taught how to get good jobs. Or, perhaps they simply aren't the brightest spark in the street. A poor girl that has no looks doesn't have a lot of options if she hasn't the gift of elocution. Even men have to be able to present themselves.
Yes, lets slap this woman for pissing on a war memorial. Never mind why she pissed on the war memorial or even if she knew it was a war memorial. Let's assume that she is an intelligent woman with lots of opportunities to make good. Perhaps she likes living like this. I bet, if asked, she would say she trusted her crusty homeless mates more than some smart suited guy looking to make money or position out of her demise.
Harry Enfield's sketches comes to mind here.
If he was referring to those of us who have "killers" in the family, as in former servicemen. Then like most people in the UK I have parents and grandparents who fall in to that category and a few friends and acquaintances who do as as well.
Personally I've always thought of war memorials not as glorifying war but as remembering the dead and particularly in the case of ww1 so we don't forget the horror and utter stupidity of it all and not make the same mistakes again. Remembrance sunday is a sad occasion not a patriotic one. The Kop in the liverpool football ground is not remember glorious victory. Go to any city or town in europe and you will see the same memorials and lists of names and the same stark reminder pointing at the sky. Those old soldiers have as much right to make their feelings known as anyone else, maybe their presence will help her appreciate the level to which she has allowed herself to sink.
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Your question should be what do they owe themselves.A lot of people grow up on housing schemes in relative poverty without becoming drug addicts and thugs and struggle to make ends meet. I appreciate where you are coming from but at the same time that is an incredibly patronising attitude - poor dears what chance did they have.
The original welfare was seen not merely as a means of meeting a need, but by its organisation, and the means by its delivery, it was conceived as a tool for building good character. It's the patronising middle class intellectual labourites who see welfare as an act of altruism and paternalism and it's recipients as in need of their help that are to blame. Self help is all very well but as any parent will tell you sometimes a kick up the backside is kinder than just saying poor dear what chance did she have. Unless she is feeble minded or mentally incapable she is responsible for her own condition and the decision to get so drunk was hers alone.
The welfare state is not as benevolent as you think. Those that live on welfare do not depend on welfare alone to survive. The Government does not believe in giving even genuine dependents enough to pay their bills. Even when frugality is applied. Unless you have lived amongst these people, you have no idea of what their lives are like.
The Government gives everyone one chance only. They give every child daily indoctrination, sorry, schooling, and then it's up to the child. Never mind if the schooling experience is nothing like work experience.
Those that know they won't make it are the most likely to survive. They don't wait till they finish going to school. They get out and start making money and are proud of their achievements.
Then there are those kids that push themselves through school for their parents. They have been taught that it's the right thing to do. And, indeed, it is. But they fail in life in general. They are urged to but not taught how to get good jobs. Or, perhaps they simply aren't the brightest spark in the street. A poor girl that has no looks doesn't have a lot of options if she hasn't the gift of elocution. Even men have to be able to present themselves.
Yes, lets slap this woman for pissing on a war memorial. Never mind why she pissed on the war memorial or even if she knew it was a war memorial. Let's assume that she is an intelligent woman with lots of opportunities to make good. Perhaps she likes living like this. I bet, if asked, she would say she trusted her crusty homeless mates more than some smart suited guy looking to make money or position out of her demise.
Harry Enfield's sketches comes to mind here.
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oscar;1328877 wrote: I think this post of yours just about sums up my answer to any of your questions:
Had she knowingly urinated on a War Memorial then I would condemn it out of hand. That she did so in a drunken stupor is no worse than her urinating at the back of the local bike sheds - no insult was intended. It might well be an act of gross indecency but it is scarcely the end of civilisation in Britian as portrayed.
When we as a society even begin to say 'It Is scarely the end of civilisation', we are nuturing another generation of thick, un-educated morons who read your words and actually believe It is no big deal.
We need to show a sense of morality and respect or we sink deeper down that toilet that we are already In.
If an element of our society starts to say the the deliberate desicration of a War Memorial is scarcely the end of civilisation then we might well be in trouble. To say that it might not have been a deliberate act of desicration is a million miles from there and I stand by my words.
Had she knowingly urinated on a War Memorial then I would condemn it out of hand. That she did so in a drunken stupor is no worse than her urinating at the back of the local bike sheds - no insult was intended. It might well be an act of gross indecency but it is scarcely the end of civilisation in Britian as portrayed.
When we as a society even begin to say 'It Is scarely the end of civilisation', we are nuturing another generation of thick, un-educated morons who read your words and actually believe It is no big deal.
We need to show a sense of morality and respect or we sink deeper down that toilet that we are already In.
If an element of our society starts to say the the deliberate desicration of a War Memorial is scarcely the end of civilisation then we might well be in trouble. To say that it might not have been a deliberate act of desicration is a million miles from there and I stand by my words.
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Bryn Mawr;1328882 wrote: If an element of our society starts to say the the deliberate desicration of a War Memorial is scarcely the end of civilisation then we might well be in trouble. To say that it might not have been a deliberate act of desicration is a million miles from there and I stand by my words.
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Bryn Mawr;1328882 wrote: If an element of our society starts to say the the deliberate desicration of a War Memorial is scarcely the end of civilisation then we might well be in trouble. To say that it might not have been a deliberate act of desicration is a million miles from there and I stand by my words. Then take another look at the article and the pic of the Memorial.
When I go outside the take-away for a cig at night mostly weekends after pubs shut, I have witnessed several people urinating on our War Memorial. I am able to say that It may have taken 2 years but we have finally got cctv on the Memorial so now word has got round, we will see less of It......... However, our memorial to one side has approx 4 foot hedges and large tree's. Those who do urinate on it, more often than not will at least go to the side where they are covered by the tree's and hedges and get behind them.
I am not totally un-reasonable and do understand that with my own area, lack of public facilities some-times leaves late nighters with absolutely no-where to go.
Yet, looking at the pics of The Blackpool Memorial, It Is not covered by tree's and bushes and seems to not even have some gardens to urinate In. It was In full public view In a Main road and In full sight of any-one who happened to be passing out In the open. Even though It was late at night, a parent may have been returning home with young children and has to explain to them why a blow job Is taking place In full public view.
You may not be disgusted Bryn but thankfully, most people are.
She knew, however drunk, that she was In a public street.
When I go outside the take-away for a cig at night mostly weekends after pubs shut, I have witnessed several people urinating on our War Memorial. I am able to say that It may have taken 2 years but we have finally got cctv on the Memorial so now word has got round, we will see less of It......... However, our memorial to one side has approx 4 foot hedges and large tree's. Those who do urinate on it, more often than not will at least go to the side where they are covered by the tree's and hedges and get behind them.
I am not totally un-reasonable and do understand that with my own area, lack of public facilities some-times leaves late nighters with absolutely no-where to go.
Yet, looking at the pics of The Blackpool Memorial, It Is not covered by tree's and bushes and seems to not even have some gardens to urinate In. It was In full public view In a Main road and In full sight of any-one who happened to be passing out In the open. Even though It was late at night, a parent may have been returning home with young children and has to explain to them why a blow job Is taking place In full public view.
You may not be disgusted Bryn but thankfully, most people are.
She knew, however drunk, that she was In a public street.
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oscar;1328889 wrote: Then take another look at the article and the pic of the Memorial.
When I go outside the take-away for a cig at night mostly weekends after pubs shut, I have witnessed several people urinating on our War Memorial. I am able to say that It may have taken 2 years but we have finally got cctv on the Memorial so now word has got round, we will see less of It......... However, our memorial to one side has approx 4 foot hedges and large tree's. Those who do urinate on it, more often than not will at least go to the side where they are covered by the tree's and hedges and get behind them.
I am not totally un-reasonable and do understand that with my own area, lack of public facilities some-times leaves late nighters with absolutely no-where to go.
Yet, looking at the pics of The Blackpool Memorial, It Is not covered by tree's and bushes and seems to not even have some gardens to urinate In. It was In full public view In a Main road and In full sight of any-one who happened to be passing out In the open. Even though It was late at night, a parent may have been returning home with young children and has to explain to them why a blow job Is taking place In full public view.
You may not be disgusted Bryn but thankfully, most people are.
She knew, however drunk, that she was In a public street.
To urinate in public is illegal, to have / give a blow job in public is both illegal and disgusting.
Neither of these, however, is the source of your complaint. You are disgusted that she deliberately urinated on a War Memorial whereas I say the intent has not been proven.
Fair enough, a difference of opinion. I do take exception though, to your saying I am immoral for holding that opinion. Might I remind you that intent is the defining factor in determining guilt in the majority of crimes and separates criminal activity from culpable negligence.
That performing sex acts in a public street is disgusting is not a matter for dispute. That this stupid woman deliberately decided to desictate a War Memorial is very much a matter of opinion rather than a proven fact so, until you have proof of intent, stick to the issue rather than making personal remarks attack that do nothing to advance your argument.
When I go outside the take-away for a cig at night mostly weekends after pubs shut, I have witnessed several people urinating on our War Memorial. I am able to say that It may have taken 2 years but we have finally got cctv on the Memorial so now word has got round, we will see less of It......... However, our memorial to one side has approx 4 foot hedges and large tree's. Those who do urinate on it, more often than not will at least go to the side where they are covered by the tree's and hedges and get behind them.
I am not totally un-reasonable and do understand that with my own area, lack of public facilities some-times leaves late nighters with absolutely no-where to go.
Yet, looking at the pics of The Blackpool Memorial, It Is not covered by tree's and bushes and seems to not even have some gardens to urinate In. It was In full public view In a Main road and In full sight of any-one who happened to be passing out In the open. Even though It was late at night, a parent may have been returning home with young children and has to explain to them why a blow job Is taking place In full public view.
You may not be disgusted Bryn but thankfully, most people are.
She knew, however drunk, that she was In a public street.
To urinate in public is illegal, to have / give a blow job in public is both illegal and disgusting.
Neither of these, however, is the source of your complaint. You are disgusted that she deliberately urinated on a War Memorial whereas I say the intent has not been proven.
Fair enough, a difference of opinion. I do take exception though, to your saying I am immoral for holding that opinion. Might I remind you that intent is the defining factor in determining guilt in the majority of crimes and separates criminal activity from culpable negligence.
That performing sex acts in a public street is disgusting is not a matter for dispute. That this stupid woman deliberately decided to desictate a War Memorial is very much a matter of opinion rather than a proven fact so, until you have proof of intent, stick to the issue rather than making personal remarks attack that do nothing to advance your argument.
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Bryn Mawr;1328995 wrote: To urinate in public is illegal, to have / give a blow job in public is both illegal and disgusting.
Neither of these, however, is the source of your complaint. You are disgusted that she deliberately urinated on a War Memorial whereas I say the intent has not been proven.
Fair enough, a difference of opinion. I do take exception though, to your saying I am immoral for holding that opinion. Might I remind you that intent is the defining factor in determining guilt in the majority of crimes and separates criminal activity from culpable negligence.
That performing sex acts in a public street is disgusting is not a matter for dispute. That this stupid woman deliberately decided to desictate a War Memorial is very much a matter of opinion rather than a proven fact so, until you have proof of intent, stick to the issue rather than making personal remarks attack that do nothing to advance your argument. I would be more Insulted at being called 'A Looney Leftie'.
Every-one I have ever tackled about urinating on my own War memorial over the years, even when they are completely bladdered, has admited they knew It was a Memorial but offered the excuse that there was no-where else to go.
I agree with Open Mind... Although I have not touched alcohol for decades, I was a normal teenager who fell out of night clubs so rat arssed that I had to be carried home many times... I still was aware of my surroundings.
You are contradicting your-self through out this thread. You are saying that this woman may have been so drunk that she was un-aware It was a memorial. Had she of been a tourist, un-aware of the Cities buildings and land-marks, yes, maybe, but she was local.
You can not say that this woman may not have Intended to abuse the War memorial whilst under the Influence of alcohol but In the same thread say my nephew Intending killing some-one that night. The woman In your arguement, may have believed she was peeing In the street but equally, under the Influence of alcohol, my nephew believed he was beating some-one up. I appreciate the severity of my nephews crime Is far removed from the act of this woman but the same principle applies.
Neither of these, however, is the source of your complaint. You are disgusted that she deliberately urinated on a War Memorial whereas I say the intent has not been proven.
Fair enough, a difference of opinion. I do take exception though, to your saying I am immoral for holding that opinion. Might I remind you that intent is the defining factor in determining guilt in the majority of crimes and separates criminal activity from culpable negligence.
That performing sex acts in a public street is disgusting is not a matter for dispute. That this stupid woman deliberately decided to desictate a War Memorial is very much a matter of opinion rather than a proven fact so, until you have proof of intent, stick to the issue rather than making personal remarks attack that do nothing to advance your argument. I would be more Insulted at being called 'A Looney Leftie'.
Every-one I have ever tackled about urinating on my own War memorial over the years, even when they are completely bladdered, has admited they knew It was a Memorial but offered the excuse that there was no-where else to go.
I agree with Open Mind... Although I have not touched alcohol for decades, I was a normal teenager who fell out of night clubs so rat arssed that I had to be carried home many times... I still was aware of my surroundings.
You are contradicting your-self through out this thread. You are saying that this woman may have been so drunk that she was un-aware It was a memorial. Had she of been a tourist, un-aware of the Cities buildings and land-marks, yes, maybe, but she was local.
You can not say that this woman may not have Intended to abuse the War memorial whilst under the Influence of alcohol but In the same thread say my nephew Intending killing some-one that night. The woman In your arguement, may have believed she was peeing In the street but equally, under the Influence of alcohol, my nephew believed he was beating some-one up. I appreciate the severity of my nephews crime Is far removed from the act of this woman but the same principle applies.
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oscar;1328998 wrote: I would be more Insulted at being called 'A Looney Leftie'.
Your opinion of my politics is totally unimportant, your questioning of my morals is an unwarranted personal attack.
oscar;1328998 wrote: Every-one I have ever tackled about urinating on my own War memorial over the years, even when they are completely bladdered, has admited they knew It was a Memorial but offered the excuse that there was no-where else to go.
I agree with Open Mind... Although I have not touched alcohol for decades, I was a normal teenager who fell out of night clubs so rat arssed that I had to be carried home many times... I still was aware of my surroundings.
Your reaction to alcohol is just that, your reaction to alcohol. It does not follow that because you react in that way everyone else must necessarily do so.
oscar;1328998 wrote: You are contradicting your-self through out this thread. You are saying that this woman may have been so drunk that she was un-aware It was a memorial. Had she of been a tourist, un-aware of the Cities buildings and land-marks, yes, maybe, but she was local.
You can not say that this woman may not have Intended to abuse the War memorial whilst under the Influence of alcohol but In the same thread say my nephew Intending killing some-one that night. The woman In your arguement, may have believed she was peeing In the street but equally, under the Influence of alcohol, my nephew believed he was beating some-one up. I appreciate the severity of my nephews crime Is far removed from the act of this woman but the same principle applies.
I have been totally consistant throughout this thread - that whilst her actions were undoubtably illegal and, as far as the sex acts go, disgusting, no evidence has yet been presented that she intentionally desecrated a War Memorial.
I did not say that your nephew intended to kill some-one that night. In response to your claiming that saying she urinated in the wrong place because she was drunk is the equivalent to saying your nephew was a "poor little lamb" because he was drunk when he kicked some-one to death I said that there was an intrinsic difference in the social conditioning involved - when Paula Ratcliffe releved herself at the side of the road the reaction was amusement, almost every toddler in the land has been held at the side of a layby mid-journey but it is almost universal for children to be trained from early childhood not to kick their fellows.
Had your nephew intended to kill some-one that night then his sentence would have been for murder. The court obvoiusly came to the conclusion that there was no intent to kill as the verdict was manslaughter. The same difference applies in this case.
Your opinion of my politics is totally unimportant, your questioning of my morals is an unwarranted personal attack.
oscar;1328998 wrote: Every-one I have ever tackled about urinating on my own War memorial over the years, even when they are completely bladdered, has admited they knew It was a Memorial but offered the excuse that there was no-where else to go.
I agree with Open Mind... Although I have not touched alcohol for decades, I was a normal teenager who fell out of night clubs so rat arssed that I had to be carried home many times... I still was aware of my surroundings.
Your reaction to alcohol is just that, your reaction to alcohol. It does not follow that because you react in that way everyone else must necessarily do so.
oscar;1328998 wrote: You are contradicting your-self through out this thread. You are saying that this woman may have been so drunk that she was un-aware It was a memorial. Had she of been a tourist, un-aware of the Cities buildings and land-marks, yes, maybe, but she was local.
You can not say that this woman may not have Intended to abuse the War memorial whilst under the Influence of alcohol but In the same thread say my nephew Intending killing some-one that night. The woman In your arguement, may have believed she was peeing In the street but equally, under the Influence of alcohol, my nephew believed he was beating some-one up. I appreciate the severity of my nephews crime Is far removed from the act of this woman but the same principle applies.
I have been totally consistant throughout this thread - that whilst her actions were undoubtably illegal and, as far as the sex acts go, disgusting, no evidence has yet been presented that she intentionally desecrated a War Memorial.
I did not say that your nephew intended to kill some-one that night. In response to your claiming that saying she urinated in the wrong place because she was drunk is the equivalent to saying your nephew was a "poor little lamb" because he was drunk when he kicked some-one to death I said that there was an intrinsic difference in the social conditioning involved - when Paula Ratcliffe releved herself at the side of the road the reaction was amusement, almost every toddler in the land has been held at the side of a layby mid-journey but it is almost universal for children to be trained from early childhood not to kick their fellows.
Had your nephew intended to kill some-one that night then his sentence would have been for murder. The court obvoiusly came to the conclusion that there was no intent to kill as the verdict was manslaughter. The same difference applies in this case.
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Bryn Mawr;1329019 wrote: Your opinion of my politics is totally unimportant, your questioning of my morals is an unwarranted personal attack.
Your reaction to alcohol is just that, your reaction to alcohol. It does not follow that because you react in that way everyone else must necessarily do so.
I have been totally consistant throughout this thread - that whilst her actions were undoubtably illegal and, as far as the sex acts go, disgusting, no evidence has yet been presented that she intentionally desecrated a War Memorial.
I did not say that your nephew intended to kill some-one that night. In response to your claiming that saying she urinated in the wrong place because she was drunk is the equivalent to saying your nephew was a "poor little lamb" because he was drunk when he kicked some-one to death I said that there was an intrinsic difference in the social conditioning involved - when Paula Ratcliffe releved herself at the side of the road the reaction was amusement, almost every toddler in the land has been held at the side of a layby mid-journey but it is almost universal for children to be trained from early childhood not to kick their fellows.
Had your nephew intended to kill some-one that night then his sentence would have been for murder. The court obvoiusly came to the conclusion that there was no intent to kill as the verdict was manslaughter. The same difference applies in this case.
As In Spot posting to me that I lived with a killer !!!!!
As for your arguement.... looking at the landscape of where she urinated, she could have peed In the street and then a plea of getting caught short would be acceptable.
In her drunken stupor she may not have thought to herself.. ' I am going to pisse all over that war memorial because I have no regard for the men and women It represents'. I am also going to perform a sex act on that Memorial because I have no regard for what It symbolises'... However, from all the kerb sides around her, she CHOSE to urinate on the memorial. That choice should be punishable or how else do we set standards In this country?
SHE may not be bothered about the location of her acts but If her actions cause the public Including those war veterans out-rage to public decency, then they have every right to protest against her.
I suppose the only way we will be sure Is when this revolting specimens defence tells the bench weather she was aware or not of the Monument... However, i would not believe It myself as I am sure many others would not believe It.
Your reaction to alcohol is just that, your reaction to alcohol. It does not follow that because you react in that way everyone else must necessarily do so.
I have been totally consistant throughout this thread - that whilst her actions were undoubtably illegal and, as far as the sex acts go, disgusting, no evidence has yet been presented that she intentionally desecrated a War Memorial.
I did not say that your nephew intended to kill some-one that night. In response to your claiming that saying she urinated in the wrong place because she was drunk is the equivalent to saying your nephew was a "poor little lamb" because he was drunk when he kicked some-one to death I said that there was an intrinsic difference in the social conditioning involved - when Paula Ratcliffe releved herself at the side of the road the reaction was amusement, almost every toddler in the land has been held at the side of a layby mid-journey but it is almost universal for children to be trained from early childhood not to kick their fellows.
Had your nephew intended to kill some-one that night then his sentence would have been for murder. The court obvoiusly came to the conclusion that there was no intent to kill as the verdict was manslaughter. The same difference applies in this case.
As In Spot posting to me that I lived with a killer !!!!!
As for your arguement.... looking at the landscape of where she urinated, she could have peed In the street and then a plea of getting caught short would be acceptable.
In her drunken stupor she may not have thought to herself.. ' I am going to pisse all over that war memorial because I have no regard for the men and women It represents'. I am also going to perform a sex act on that Memorial because I have no regard for what It symbolises'... However, from all the kerb sides around her, she CHOSE to urinate on the memorial. That choice should be punishable or how else do we set standards In this country?
SHE may not be bothered about the location of her acts but If her actions cause the public Including those war veterans out-rage to public decency, then they have every right to protest against her.
I suppose the only way we will be sure Is when this revolting specimens defence tells the bench weather she was aware or not of the Monument... However, i would not believe It myself as I am sure many others would not believe It.
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oscar;1329024 wrote: As In Spot posting to me that I lived with a killer !!!!!
And exactly how does Spot's post justify your insulting me?
That Spot reacted to your implications about his children and grandchildren in like style is between you and he - it in no way justifies an attack on another member.
oscar;1329024 wrote: As for your arguement.... looking at the landscape of where she urinated, she could have peed In the street and then a plea of getting caught short would be acceptable.
In her drunken stupor she may not have thought to herself.. ' I am going to pisse all over that war memorial because I have no regard for the men and women It represents'. I am also going to perform a sex act on that Memorial because I have no regard for what It symbolises'... However, from all the kerb sides around her, she CHOSE to urinate on the memorial. That choice should be punishable or how else do we set standards In this country?
SHE may not be bothered about the location of her acts but If her actions cause the public Including those war veterans out-rage to public decency, then they have every right to protest against her.
I suppose the only way we will be sure Is when this revolting specimens defence tells the bench weather she was aware or not of the Monument... However, i would not believe It myself as I am sure many others would not believe It.
So you at last admit that her intention is not yet known, thank you.
And exactly how does Spot's post justify your insulting me?
That Spot reacted to your implications about his children and grandchildren in like style is between you and he - it in no way justifies an attack on another member.
oscar;1329024 wrote: As for your arguement.... looking at the landscape of where she urinated, she could have peed In the street and then a plea of getting caught short would be acceptable.
In her drunken stupor she may not have thought to herself.. ' I am going to pisse all over that war memorial because I have no regard for the men and women It represents'. I am also going to perform a sex act on that Memorial because I have no regard for what It symbolises'... However, from all the kerb sides around her, she CHOSE to urinate on the memorial. That choice should be punishable or how else do we set standards In this country?
SHE may not be bothered about the location of her acts but If her actions cause the public Including those war veterans out-rage to public decency, then they have every right to protest against her.
I suppose the only way we will be sure Is when this revolting specimens defence tells the bench weather she was aware or not of the Monument... However, i would not believe It myself as I am sure many others would not believe It.
So you at last admit that her intention is not yet known, thank you.
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Bryn Mawr;1329034 wrote: And exactly how does Spot's post justify your insulting me?
That Spot reacted to your implications about his children and grandchildren in like style is between you and he - it in no way justifies an attack on another member.
So you at last admit that her intention is not yet known, thank you. Bryn... If you feel I have personally attacked you, then accept an apology. I am always happy to apologise If I have offended a member.
You are missing the point of my previous post.... She may not have thought to herself as she was pissing or performing the sex act... 'This Is to degrade the men and women that the Memorial stands for'... but I believe she Intentionally pissed on It because It did not matter to HER..
That Spot reacted to your implications about his children and grandchildren in like style is between you and he - it in no way justifies an attack on another member.
So you at last admit that her intention is not yet known, thank you. Bryn... If you feel I have personally attacked you, then accept an apology. I am always happy to apologise If I have offended a member.
You are missing the point of my previous post.... She may not have thought to herself as she was pissing or performing the sex act... 'This Is to degrade the men and women that the Memorial stands for'... but I believe she Intentionally pissed on It because It did not matter to HER..
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oscar;1329036 wrote: Bryn... If you feel I have personally attacked you, then accept an apology. I am always happy to apologise If I have offended a member.
You are missing the point of my previous post.... She may not have thought to herself as she was pissing or performing the sex act... 'This Is to degrade the men and women that the Memorial stands for'... but I believe she Intentionally pissed on It because It did not matter to HER..
Thank you, apology accepted.
You might believe so but that is your opinion, it does not make it so.
You are missing the point of my previous post.... She may not have thought to herself as she was pissing or performing the sex act... 'This Is to degrade the men and women that the Memorial stands for'... but I believe she Intentionally pissed on It because It did not matter to HER..
Thank you, apology accepted.
You might believe so but that is your opinion, it does not make it so.
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oscar;1328877 wrote:
When we as a society even begin to say 'It Is scarely the end of civilisation', we are nuturing another generation of thick, un-educated morons...We need to show a sense of morality and respect.
I agree heartily with you there, oscar. When I taught middle school, I caught a young boy looking up the dresses of the little girls. I asked him, "Didn't anyone ever tell you it's rude to do that?!" He replied, "No, no one ever did" and he was serious.
My grandmother used to say "Life is about the small things like making your bed." She was talking about self-respect, moral values, and internal self-motivation. All the time I hear people say, "We need to bring back family values." Well, what do they think those values were? They were little things like eating together as a family, not swearing, saying "please," and "thank you," dressing respectfully, opening doors for people, especially women, and being kind to each other.
Evil little things like 'wardrobe malfunctions," internet porn, disrespect, swearing on TV, radio, and movies, and yes, urinating in the streets all are like a slow acid eating away at the foundation of the bridge of civilization.
You can say, "It's not big deal" to each little thing, but they add up with a cumulative effect. Eventually, the bridge will fall and we'll all be down in the swamp of barbarity where the most vicious, violent, and unfeeling will rule us all.
When we as a society even begin to say 'It Is scarely the end of civilisation', we are nuturing another generation of thick, un-educated morons...We need to show a sense of morality and respect.
I agree heartily with you there, oscar. When I taught middle school, I caught a young boy looking up the dresses of the little girls. I asked him, "Didn't anyone ever tell you it's rude to do that?!" He replied, "No, no one ever did" and he was serious.
My grandmother used to say "Life is about the small things like making your bed." She was talking about self-respect, moral values, and internal self-motivation. All the time I hear people say, "We need to bring back family values." Well, what do they think those values were? They were little things like eating together as a family, not swearing, saying "please," and "thank you," dressing respectfully, opening doors for people, especially women, and being kind to each other.
Evil little things like 'wardrobe malfunctions," internet porn, disrespect, swearing on TV, radio, and movies, and yes, urinating in the streets all are like a slow acid eating away at the foundation of the bridge of civilization.
You can say, "It's not big deal" to each little thing, but they add up with a cumulative effect. Eventually, the bridge will fall and we'll all be down in the swamp of barbarity where the most vicious, violent, and unfeeling will rule us all.
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Saint_;1329077 wrote: I agree heartily with you there, oscar. When I taught middle school, I caught a young boy looking up the dresses of the little girls. I asked him, "Didn't anyone ever tell you it's rude to do that?!" He replied, "No, no one ever did" and he was serious.
My grandmother used to say "Life is about the small things like making your bed." She was talking about self-respect, moral values, and internal self-motivation. All the time I hear people say, "We need to bring back family values." Well, what do they think those values were? They were little things like eating together as a family, not swearing, saying "please," and "thank you," dressing respectfully, opening doors for people, especially women, and being kind to each other.
Evil little things like 'wardrobe malfunctions," internet porn, disrespect, swearing on TV, radio, and movies, and yes, urinating in the streets all are like a slow acid eating away at the foundation of the bridge of civilization.
You can say, "It's not big deal" to each little thing, but they add up with a cumulative effect. Eventually, the bridge will fall and we'll all be down in the swamp of barbarity where the most vicious, violent, and unfeeling will rule us all.
I believe there are a lot more people who hold to decent values and that society is not going to fall apart because of a disrespectful minority. It may seem that society is breaking down if you go by the news media, but this is what the news media mainly reports. The news media doesn't find reporting on normal folks' days to be of interest to the general populace.
My grandmother used to say "Life is about the small things like making your bed." She was talking about self-respect, moral values, and internal self-motivation. All the time I hear people say, "We need to bring back family values." Well, what do they think those values were? They were little things like eating together as a family, not swearing, saying "please," and "thank you," dressing respectfully, opening doors for people, especially women, and being kind to each other.
Evil little things like 'wardrobe malfunctions," internet porn, disrespect, swearing on TV, radio, and movies, and yes, urinating in the streets all are like a slow acid eating away at the foundation of the bridge of civilization.
You can say, "It's not big deal" to each little thing, but they add up with a cumulative effect. Eventually, the bridge will fall and we'll all be down in the swamp of barbarity where the most vicious, violent, and unfeeling will rule us all.
I believe there are a lot more people who hold to decent values and that society is not going to fall apart because of a disrespectful minority. It may seem that society is breaking down if you go by the news media, but this is what the news media mainly reports. The news media doesn't find reporting on normal folks' days to be of interest to the general populace.
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If someone goes out of an evening they can decide whether to get drunk or not. I have no sympathy at all for habitual drunkards that get themselves in to trouble. You can make allowances for teenagers as everybody has to go through the learning curve, and yes I too did silly things while drunk and I occasionally still get drunk but I make sure it's where I will do myself and others no harm, to me it is basic common sense I am responsible for the decision and there is no such thing as an accidental drunk - unless your drink is spiked and that is a whole different area. As an adult you know the consequences of getting so pissed you can't stand up and don't know where you are, it's your fault you knew what might happen and you have no excuse. If this woman is not capable of making that decision then perhaps she is in need of medical help. If she is then being drunk might explain it but it's not much of an excuse.
There are plenty of people from equally deprived backgrounds who don't become yobbos, papers like the daily mail like to portray an image of society on the brink of collapse it makes a good headline. Thousands enjoy a night out without pissing on a war memorial does not. There are a lot of younger people turning up at war memorials on remembrance sunday these days, some are remembering school mates that have died in Afghanistan or they have a mate in a wheelchair, maybe they should have a **** on a politician day.
There are plenty of people from equally deprived backgrounds who don't become yobbos, papers like the daily mail like to portray an image of society on the brink of collapse it makes a good headline. Thousands enjoy a night out without pissing on a war memorial does not. There are a lot of younger people turning up at war memorials on remembrance sunday these days, some are remembering school mates that have died in Afghanistan or they have a mate in a wheelchair, maybe they should have a **** on a politician day.
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oscar;1329024 wrote: As In Spot posting to me that I lived with a killer !!!!!I said nothing of the sort, I said not everyone has to live the rest of their life with a killer in the family. It was a personal comment in direct response to your outrageous suggestion that I'd raised my four children to be "scum parents" and that consequently Felicity was a "scum yob" who would have "no regard what-so-ever for a War memorial". The difference between your comment and mine is that few things could be further from the truth as far as Felicity's concerned whereas my observation, while uncharitable, was entirely accurate.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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oscar/spot not so much love /hate as hate/hate. I think you are both out of order. Why not be abusive to each other by PM?
If you think someone is trying to be deliberately provocative you don't need to respond in kind. I was thinking this as I went past some drunken teenagers the other night.
If you think someone is trying to be deliberately provocative you don't need to respond in kind. I was thinking this as I went past some drunken teenagers the other night.
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gmc;1329134 wrote: If you think someone is trying to be deliberately provocative you don't need to respond in kind. I was thinking this as I went past some drunken teenagers the other night.
She started it...
She started it...
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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I'm going to slap the back of someones legs in a minute
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
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Snowfire;1329137 wrote: I'm going to slap the back of someones legs in a minute
This is the wrong thread for that sort of thing. I think the sexual forum is further down the page on the Home page.:wah:
This is the wrong thread for that sort of thing. I think the sexual forum is further down the page on the Home page.:wah:
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As a point of interest to whether people know what cenotaphs are or not. I returned from the doctor's surgery this morning and after making myself a coffee, I turned on the telly to see if there's owt worth watching today.
"My Family at War" was being broadcast at the time and as I'm checking the day's schedules, the presenter, Phil Tufnell, was discussing an RAF cenotaph in his home town. He commented, as an aside, that he used to pass the object every day going to and from work and never knew what it was.
Now, surely this former cricketer is not an uneducated slob. I was astounded by his statement and thought immediately about some of the arguments made on here.
Or maybe he is.
"My Family at War" was being broadcast at the time and as I'm checking the day's schedules, the presenter, Phil Tufnell, was discussing an RAF cenotaph in his home town. He commented, as an aside, that he used to pass the object every day going to and from work and never knew what it was.
Now, surely this former cricketer is not an uneducated slob. I was astounded by his statement and thought immediately about some of the arguments made on here.
Or maybe he is.
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OpenMind;1329141 wrote: As a point of interest to whether people know what cenotaphs are or not. I returned from the doctor's surgery this morning and after making myself a coffee, I turned on the telly to see if there's owt worth watching today.
"My Family at War" was being broadcast at the time and as I'm checking the day's schedules, the presenter, Phil Tufnell, was discussing an RAF cenotaph in his home town. He commented, as an aside, that he used to pass the object every day going to and from work and never knew what it was.
Now, surely this former cricketer is not an uneducated slob. I was astounded by his statement and thought immediately about some of the arguments made on here.
Or maybe he is.
He must be remarkably lacking in curiosity not to want to find out what it was.
"My Family at War" was being broadcast at the time and as I'm checking the day's schedules, the presenter, Phil Tufnell, was discussing an RAF cenotaph in his home town. He commented, as an aside, that he used to pass the object every day going to and from work and never knew what it was.
Now, surely this former cricketer is not an uneducated slob. I was astounded by his statement and thought immediately about some of the arguments made on here.
Or maybe he is.
He must be remarkably lacking in curiosity not to want to find out what it was.
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oscar;1328793 wrote: Thank You Saint, but It Is not a sore point with me. My nephew was 16 years old old at the time and he was charged with murder. He was acquited of murder but found guilty of Manslaughter due to the fact he did not Intend killing any-one that night.
It does not bother me In the slightest that Spot has chosen this thread In which to make such reptilian jibes. You have to have some empathy for Spot here Saint... Since he became a moderator on 24 hour forums, the membership has dropped to... errr 2 I believe.... He needs to get his kicks some-where. :wah:
Am I to understand that Spot hangs out with Spankey Franky now?:yh_rotfl
It does not bother me In the slightest that Spot has chosen this thread In which to make such reptilian jibes. You have to have some empathy for Spot here Saint... Since he became a moderator on 24 hour forums, the membership has dropped to... errr 2 I believe.... He needs to get his kicks some-where. :wah:
Am I to understand that Spot hangs out with Spankey Franky now?:yh_rotfl
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spot;1329135 wrote: She started it... Didn't.
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YZGI;1329162 wrote: Am I to understand that Spot hangs out with Spankey Franky now?:yh_rotfl
Negative... The wonderful Frank can be found at Mock.
Negative... The wonderful Frank can be found at Mock.
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spot;1329128 wrote: I said nothing of the sort, I said not everyone has to live the rest of their life with a killer in the family. It was a personal comment in direct response to your outrageous suggestion that I'd raised my four children to be "scum parents" and that consequently Felicity was a "scum yob" who would have "no regard what-so-ever for a War memorial". The difference between your comment and mine is that few things could be further from the truth as far as Felicity's concerned whereas my observation, while uncharitable, was entirely accurate.
You seem to be over-reacting entirely. There was no reference to Felicity or any of your family. What I said was a generalisation of the kind of specimen reported In the article... as It Is more often than not that It Is her Ilk that produce, thick moronic yobs. It you took that to mean your off-spring, then you have a problem.
You seem to be over-reacting entirely. There was no reference to Felicity or any of your family. What I said was a generalisation of the kind of specimen reported In the article... as It Is more often than not that It Is her Ilk that produce, thick moronic yobs. It you took that to mean your off-spring, then you have a problem.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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I propose a duel - rolled up newspapers at dawn, oscar with the daily mail and spot with sceptic magazine. Will the sword of truth win out over the one of flim flammery and humbug or should Oscar use the beano with it's higher intellectual content. Will tweed jacket and nicky tams beat jackboots and whip? Does spot even read sceptic magazine and have nicky tams? who knows, who cares, should it not be like the stig - not knowing is more fun than knowing.
I don't want to know who the stig is
I don't want to know who the stig is
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oscar;1329167 wrote: You seem to be over-reacting entirely. There was no reference to Felicity or any of your family. What I said was a generalisation of the kind of specimen reported In the article... as It Is more often than not that It Is her Ilk that produce, thick moronic yobs. It you took that to mean your off-spring, then you have a problem.
My Use of English is more than adequate, thank you. Your actual words were "It Is precisely attitudes like yours produce scum parents". The "yours" is absolutely specifically me and not a generalization. My children are the only children in the world directly affected by my attitudes and I maintain that I have not produced scum parents out of them, that they are in fact well balanced individuals capable of constructive thinking and knowing which way the wind blows. If you want to generalize in future, try harder.
My Use of English is more than adequate, thank you. Your actual words were "It Is precisely attitudes like yours produce scum parents". The "yours" is absolutely specifically me and not a generalization. My children are the only children in the world directly affected by my attitudes and I maintain that I have not produced scum parents out of them, that they are in fact well balanced individuals capable of constructive thinking and knowing which way the wind blows. If you want to generalize in future, try harder.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Saint_;1329077 wrote: I agree heartily with you there, oscar. When I taught middle school, I caught a young boy looking up the dresses of the little girls. I asked him, "Didn't anyone ever tell you it's rude to do that?!" He replied, "No, no one ever did" and he was serious.
My grandmother used to say "Life is about the small things like making your bed." She was talking about self-respect, moral values, and internal self-motivation. All the time I hear people say, "We need to bring back family values." Well, what do they think those values were? They were little things like eating together as a family, not swearing, saying "please," and "thank you," dressing respectfully, opening doors for people, especially women, and being kind to each other.
Evil little things like 'wardrobe malfunctions," internet porn, disrespect, swearing on TV, radio, and movies, and yes, urinating in the streets all are like a slow acid eating away at the foundation of the bridge of civilization.
You can say, "It's not big deal" to each little thing, but they add up with a cumulative effect. Eventually, the bridge will fall and we'll all be down in the swamp of barbarity where the most vicious, violent, and unfeeling will rule us all.
I agree with every word you say here and I put it all into practice when bringing up my children.
On the other hand I would also say that abuse, whether it be physical, verbal, mental or emotional is to be deplored rather than applauded and that, without proof of intent, what the RBL did amounts to both verbal and emotional abuse.
My grandmother used to say "Life is about the small things like making your bed." She was talking about self-respect, moral values, and internal self-motivation. All the time I hear people say, "We need to bring back family values." Well, what do they think those values were? They were little things like eating together as a family, not swearing, saying "please," and "thank you," dressing respectfully, opening doors for people, especially women, and being kind to each other.
Evil little things like 'wardrobe malfunctions," internet porn, disrespect, swearing on TV, radio, and movies, and yes, urinating in the streets all are like a slow acid eating away at the foundation of the bridge of civilization.
You can say, "It's not big deal" to each little thing, but they add up with a cumulative effect. Eventually, the bridge will fall and we'll all be down in the swamp of barbarity where the most vicious, violent, and unfeeling will rule us all.
I agree with every word you say here and I put it all into practice when bringing up my children.
On the other hand I would also say that abuse, whether it be physical, verbal, mental or emotional is to be deplored rather than applauded and that, without proof of intent, what the RBL did amounts to both verbal and emotional abuse.
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gmc;1329175 wrote: I don't want to know who the stig isI actually saw the Stig unhelmeted off-stage at Earls Court once - it's Princess Anne.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1329184 wrote: I actually saw the Stig unhelmeted off-stage at Earls Court once - it's Princess Anne.
What with her hair ? That would take a large professional team of tree surgeons to tease that out of a helmet
What with her hair ? That would take a large professional team of tree surgeons to tease that out of a helmet
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Wendy Lewis: 'Disgusting woman' who urinated on war memorial escapes jail | Mail Online
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I think the fact that this revolting specimen climbed several steps to get to the top step of the memorial to have a pisse leaves us In no doubt that she knew where she was and what she was doing.
On arriving In court, her delightful boyfriend gave Officials a Nazi salute..
Note to boyfriend.... Do not even bother trying to join the BNP... We would not touch you with a barge-pole.
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I think the fact that this revolting specimen climbed several steps to get to the top step of the memorial to have a pisse leaves us In no doubt that she knew where she was and what she was doing.
On arriving In court, her delightful boyfriend gave Officials a Nazi salute..
Note to boyfriend.... Do not even bother trying to join the BNP... We would not touch you with a barge-pole.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1329450 wrote: Wendy Lewis: 'Disgusting woman' who urinated on war memorial escapes jail | Mail Online
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I think the fact that this revolting specimen climbed several steps to get to the top step of the memorial to have a pisse leaves us In no doubt that she knew where she was and what she was doing.
On arriving In court, her delightful boyfriend gave Officials a Nazi salute..
Note to boyfriend.... Do not even bother trying to join the BNP... We would not touch you with a barge-pole.
So you admit the BNP stands for british Nazi Party? Does nick know?
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I think the fact that this revolting specimen climbed several steps to get to the top step of the memorial to have a pisse leaves us In no doubt that she knew where she was and what she was doing.
On arriving In court, her delightful boyfriend gave Officials a Nazi salute..
Note to boyfriend.... Do not even bother trying to join the BNP... We would not touch you with a barge-pole.
So you admit the BNP stands for british Nazi Party? Does nick know?
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gmc;1329516 wrote: So you admit the BNP stands for british Nazi Party? Does nick know? Mr Griffin has announced he Is to stand down.
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gmc;1329516 wrote: So you admit the BNP stands for british Nazi Party? Does nick know?
I thought the N stood for Nick.:-2
I thought the N stood for Nick.:-2
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OpenMind;1329530 wrote: I thought the N stood for Nick.:-2
I always thought it was nitwits but didn't like to say so in case I offended Oscar - she takes these things so personally.
I always thought it was nitwits but didn't like to say so in case I offended Oscar - she takes these things so personally.