Omni_Skittles;1063333 wrote: well, I don't think it's having the effect you want it to have and that's my point.
I can't lead everyone to Christ, but if I can lead a few to Him, then that would be wonderful.
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xfrodobagginsx;1065079 wrote: I can't lead everyone to Christ, but if I can lead a few to Him, then that would be wonderful.
How do you feel about the possibility that you deter far more from approaching Jesus than you ever lead? Because that, quite seriously, is why I'm so angry with you. You make an inane mockery of something I find precious.
How do you feel about the possibility that you deter far more from approaching Jesus than you ever lead? Because that, quite seriously, is why I'm so angry with you. You make an inane mockery of something I find precious.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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xfrodobagginsx, would you tell me why you chose xfrodobagginsx as your username? The reason I ask is because Frodo Baggins is a well known but fictional character with no Christian connections that I know of.
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OpenMind;1065184 wrote: xfrodobagginsx, would you tell me why you chose xfrodobagginsx as your username? The reason I ask is because Frodo Baggins is a well known but fictional character with no Christian connections that I know of.
Because I am short like frodo and he had a burden of the ring. I have the burden of sharing the gospel. He and I are warriors and yes tolken was a Christian.
Because I am short like frodo and he had a burden of the ring. I have the burden of sharing the gospel. He and I are warriors and yes tolken was a Christian.
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You're not sharing the good news at all. You're arriving on new forums all over the Internet and the first thing you do, your first post to total strangers, is to shout as loudly as you can that no Muslim will go to Heaven because Muslims refuse to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and their personal Saviour, that no Hindu will go to Heaven, that no Buddhist will go to Heaven, that no agnostic will go to Heaven, that no Satanist will go to Heaven, that no Witch will go to Heaven, that no Gnostic will go to Heaven, that the Lord God in his infinite wisdom will consign the majority of souls to eternal torment while loving the small minority who paid attention to his holy evangelists and prayed the magic prayer.
That I can tolerate. What I can't stomach is that you have the gall to call what you do Christian.
That I can tolerate. What I can't stomach is that you have the gall to call what you do Christian.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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xfrodobagginsx;1070033 wrote: Because I am short like frodo and he had a burden of the ring. I have the burden of sharing the gospel. He and I are warriors and yes tolken was a Christian.
I'm sorry to hear this. Jesus said to give all our burdens to him. Perhaps you should do the same.
I'm sorry to hear this. Jesus said to give all our burdens to him. Perhaps you should do the same.
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OpenMind;1070235 wrote: I'm sorry to hear this. Jesus said to give all our burdens to him. Perhaps you should do the same.
I'm not sorry. It's a blessing and an honor to serve the Lord. I do cast my burdens upon Him, but that doesn't mean to stop serving.
I'm not sorry. It's a blessing and an honor to serve the Lord. I do cast my burdens upon Him, but that doesn't mean to stop serving.
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Omni_Skittles;1063333 wrote: well, I don't think it's having the effect you want it to have and that's my point.
You got that exactly right.
Omni_Skittles;1064391 wrote: ... not my place to judge at all.....
Why not? I mean xthispratx is already judging you...............
xfrodobagginsx;1065077 wrote: You've got it totally wrong. Accepting Christ Jesus REMOVES the fear of going to hell.
I challenge you to prove this using evidence which would be acceptable in a court of law.
Myself, being a heathen, stand in no danger of visiting any of the various circles of the Christian Hell.
You got that exactly right.
Omni_Skittles;1064391 wrote: ... not my place to judge at all.....
Why not? I mean xthispratx is already judging you...............
xfrodobagginsx;1065077 wrote: You've got it totally wrong. Accepting Christ Jesus REMOVES the fear of going to hell.
I challenge you to prove this using evidence which would be acceptable in a court of law.
Myself, being a heathen, stand in no danger of visiting any of the various circles of the Christian Hell.
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Chookie;1117821 wrote:
I challenge you to prove this using evidence which would be acceptable in a court of law.
Myself, being a heathen, stand in no danger of visiting any of the various circles of the Christian Hell.
To prove what? That accepting Jesus Christ removes the fear of going to hell using evidence that is acceptable in a court of law?
EASY.
Testimony. Any born again believer will tell you that when they accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior, that burden was lifted from them.
Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
I challenge you to prove this using evidence which would be acceptable in a court of law.
Myself, being a heathen, stand in no danger of visiting any of the various circles of the Christian Hell.
To prove what? That accepting Jesus Christ removes the fear of going to hell using evidence that is acceptable in a court of law?
EASY.
Testimony. Any born again believer will tell you that when they accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior, that burden was lifted from them.
Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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xfrodobagginsx;1121642 wrote: To prove what? That accepting Jesus Christ removes the fear of going to hell using evidence that is acceptable in a court of law?
EASY.
Testimony. Any born again believer will tell you that when they accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior, that burden was lifted from them.
Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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EASY.
Testimony. Any born again believer will tell you that when they accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior, that burden was lifted from them.
Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Don't beleive in God, Heaven or Hell. Earthly Life came into egsistance purely by the accidental combinaiton of elements, electricity and some kind of virus from space. I heard this via the grapevine in my back yard so I know it's the absolut truth.:wah: Sorry, I just couldn't resist a bit of humor.
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Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.
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xfrodobagginsx;1121642 wrote: To prove what? That accepting Jesus Christ removes the fear of going to hell using evidence that is acceptable in a court of law?
EASY.
Testimony. Any born again believer will tell you that when they accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior, that burden was lifted from them.
Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
That's not evidence, that's propaganda and hearsay. While hearsay can be evidence, it requires corroboration from other sources.
EASY you said? I want see evidence a court would accept - this includes witness statments, forensics and material evidence.
EASY.
Testimony. Any born again believer will tell you that when they accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior, that burden was lifted from them.
Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
That's not evidence, that's propaganda and hearsay. While hearsay can be evidence, it requires corroboration from other sources.
EASY you said? I want see evidence a court would accept - this includes witness statments, forensics and material evidence.
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Chookie;1123469 wrote: That's not evidence, that's propaganda and hearsay. While hearsay can be evidence, it requires corroboration from other sources.
EASY you said? I want see evidence a court would accept - this includes witness statments, forensics and material evidence.
First of all, there is pleanty of other evidence. Secondly, testimony IS evidence that is admissable in a court of law, since they use it every day in them and base cases on them.
EASY you said? I want see evidence a court would accept - this includes witness statments, forensics and material evidence.
First of all, there is pleanty of other evidence. Secondly, testimony IS evidence that is admissable in a court of law, since they use it every day in them and base cases on them.
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The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life.
There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were fulfilled.
Old Testament Prophecies
Fulfilled by Jesus Christ, Messiah
ALL of these prophesies were made hundreds, sometimes
thousands, of years before Jesus Christ was born. Looking in the face of
how He literally fulfilled them all (plus hundreds more), it is an
impossibility that He is not Messiah, Saviour of the world. The ONLY
person...past, present or future...who could fulfill all these prophecies is
Jesus Christ. See His genealogy starting from faithful Abraham.
Fulfilled Prophecy Tenakh/Hebrew
Scripture New Testament
Micah 5:2 His pre-existence John 1:1, 14
Genesis 3:15 Born of the seed of a woman Matthew 1:18
Genesis 12:3 Of the seed of Abraham Matthew 1:1-16
Genesis 12:3 All nations blessed by Abraham's seed Matthew 8:5, 10
Genesis 22:8 God would provide Himself a Lamb as an offering John 1:29
Genesis 49:10 From the tribe of Judah Matthew 1:1-3
Isaiah 9:6-7 Heir to the throne of David Matthew 1:1
Isaiah 9:6 Called "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" Matthew 1:23
Micah 5:2 Born in Bethlehem Matthew 2:1
Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18
Isaiah 7:14 His name called Immanuel, "God with us" Matthew 1:23
Psalm 2:7 Declared to be the Son of God Matthew 3:17
Malachi 4:5-6 His messenger before Him in spirit of Elijah Luke 1:17
Malachi 3:1 Preceded by a messenger to prepare His way Matthew 11:7-11
Isaiah 40:3 Messenger crying "Prepare ye the way of the Lord" Matthew 3:3
Deuteronomy 18:15 Would be a Prophet of the children of Israel Matthew 2:15
Hosea 11:1 Called out of Egypt Matthew 2:15
Jeremiah 31:15 Slaughter of the children Matthew2:18
Judges 13:5;Amos 2:11;Lam. 4:7 Would be a Nazarene Matthew 2:23
Isaiah 9:1-2 Brought light to Zabulon & Nephthalm, Galilee of the Gentiles Matthew 4:15
Psalm 72:10 Presented with gifts Matthew 2:1, 11
Isaiah 53:3 Rejected by His own Matthew 21:42; Mark 8:31,12:10; Luke 9:22,17:25 Psalm 118:22-23;
Isaiah 28:16He is the stone which the builders rejected which became the headstone Matthew 21:42; IPeter 2:7
Isaiah 8:14-15 A stone of stumbling to Israel I Peter 2:8
Zechariah 9:9 He entered Jerusalem as a king riding on an ass Matthew 21:5
Psalms 41:9 Betrayed by a friend John 13:21
Zechariah 11:12 Sold for 30 pieces of silver Matthew 26:15; Luke 22:5
Zechariah 11:12 The 30 pieces of silver given for the potter's field Matthew 27:9-10
Zechariah 11:13 The 30 pieces of silver thrown in the temple Matthew 27:5
Zechariah 13:7 Forsaken by His disciples Matthew 26:56
Psalm 35:11 Accused by false witnesses Matthew 26:60
Isaiah 53:7 Silent to accusations Matthew 27:14
Isaiah 35:5-6 Isaiah 29:18 Heal blind/deaf/lame/dumb; Matthew 11:5
Isaiah 61:Preached to the poor/brokenhearted/captives 1 Matthew 11:5
Micah 7:6 Came to bring a sword, not peace Matthew 10:34-35
Isaiah 53:4 He bore our sickness Matthew 8:16-17
Isaiah 50:6, 53:5 Spat upon, smitten and scourged Matthew 27:26, 30
Micah 5:1 Smitten on the cheek Matthew 27:30
Psalm 35:19 Hated without a cause Matthew 27:23
Isaiah 53:5 The sacrificial lamb John 1:29
Isaiah 42:6;Jeremiah 31:31-34Given for a covenant Romans 11:27/Galatians 3:17, 4:24/Hebrews 8:6, 8, 10; 10:16, 29; 12:24; 13:20
Isaiah 42:2-3 Would not strive or cry Mark 7:36
Isaiah 6:9-10 People would hear not and see not Matthew 13:14-15
Isaiah 29:13 People trust in traditions of men Matthew 15:9
Isaiah 29:13 People give God lip service Matthew 15:8
Isaiah 42:1 God delights in Him Matthew 3:17, 17:5
Isaiah 53:5 Wounded for our sins John 6:51
Isaiah 53:10-12 He bore the sins of many Mark 10:45
Daniel 9:26 Messiah not killed for Himself Matthew 20:28
Isaiah 55:5, 60:3,65:1; Malachi1:11;II Samuel 22:44-45; Psalm 2:7-8Gentiles flock to Him
Matthew 8:10
Isaiah 53:12 Crucified with criminals Matthew 27:35
Zechariah 12:10; His body was pierced Ps. 22:16 John 20:25, 27
Psalm 22:16 Thirsty during execution John 19:28
Psalm 69:21 Given vinegar and gall for thirst Matthew 27:34
Psalm 22:18 Soldiers gambled for his garment Matthew 27:35
Psalm 22:7-8 People mocked, "He trusted in God, let Him deliver him!" Matthew 27:43
Psalm 22:17 People sat there looking at Him Matthew 27:36
Psalm 22:1 Cried, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46
Amos 8:9 Darkness over the land Matthew 27:45
Psalm 34:20, Numbers 9:12 No bones broken John 19:33-36
Zechariah 12:10 Side pierced John 19:34
Isaiah 53:9 Buried with the rich Matthew 27:57, 60
Psalm 16:10-11; 49:15 Resurrected from the dead Mark 16:6
Psalm 110:4 Priest after the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 5:5-6; 6:20; 7:15-17
Psalm 68:18 Ascended to right hand of God Luke 24:51
Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto Him, "Sit thou at my right hand, until I make
thine enemies thy footstool Matt 22:44; Mark 12:36;, 16:19; Luke 20:42-43;
Acts 2:34-35; Hebrews 1:13
His coming glory Malachi 3:2-3 Luke 3:17
324 Messianic Prophecies
Gen. 3:15.....He will bruise Satan's head.....Heb. 2:14, 1 Jn. 3:18
Gen. 5:24....The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated....Mk. 6:19
Gen. 9:26,27...The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem...Lu.
3:36
Gen. 12:3...As Abraham's seed,will bless all nations...Acts.
3:25,26
Gen. 12:7...The Promise made to Abraham's Seed...Gal. 3:16
Gen. 14:18...A priest after Melchizedek...Heb. 6:20
Gen. 14:18........A King also........Heb. 7:2
Gen. 14:18...The Last Supper foreshadowed...Mt. 26:26-29
Gen. 17:19.......The Seed of Isaac.......Rom. 9:7
Gen. 22:8...The Lamb of God promised...Jn. 1:29
Gen. 22:18...As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations...Gal. 3:16
Gen.26:2-5..The Seed of Isaac promised as the
Redeemer..Heb.11:18
Gen. 49:10...The time of His coming...Lu. 2:1-7; Gal. 4:4
Gen. 49:10.......The Seed of Judah.......Lu. 3:33
Gen. 49:10......Called Shiloh or One Sent......Jn. 17:3
Gen. 49:10...To come before Judah lost identity...Jn. 11:47-52
Gen. 49:10...To Him shall the obedience of the people be...Jn.
10:16
Ex. 3:13,14........The Great "I Am".......Jn. 4:26
Ex. 12:5...A Lamb without blemish...1 Pet. 1:19
Ex. 12:13...The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath...Rom. 5:8
Ex. 12:21-27...Christ is our Passover...1 Cor. 5;7
Ex. 12:46...Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken...Jn. 19:31-36
Ex. 15:2...His exaltation predicted as Yeshua...Acts 7:55,56
Ex. 15:11...His Character-Holiness...Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
Ex. 17:6...The Spiritual Rock of Israel...1 Cor. 10;4
Ex. 33:19...His Character-Merciful...Lu. 1:72
Lev.14:11..The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood..Lu.5:12-14;
Acts 6:7
Lev.16:15-17...Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death...Heb. 9:7-14
Lev.16:27...Suffering outside the Camp...Mt. 27:33; Heb. 13:11,
12
Lev.17:11...The Blood-the life of the flesh...Mt. 26;28; Mk. 10:45
Lev.17:11...It is the blood that makes atonement...1 Jn. 3:14-18
Lev.23:36-37...The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst." ..Jn.
19:31-36
Num. 9:12...Not a bone of Him broken...John 19:31-36
Num. 21:9...The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up...Jn. 3:14-18
Num. 24:17...Time: "I shall see him, but not now."...Gal. 4:4
Deut. 18:15..."This is of a truth that prophet."...Jn. 6:14
Deut. 18:15-16..."Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe
me."...Jn. 5:45-47
Deut. 18:18...Sent by the Father to speak His word...Jn. 8:28, 29
Deut. 18:19...Whoever will not hear must bear his sin...Jn. 12:15,
Deut. 21:23...Cursed is he that hangs on a tree...Gal. 3:10-13
Ruth 4:4-9...Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us...Eph. 1:3-7
1 Sam. 2:10...Shall be an anointed King to the Lord...Mt. 28:18;
Jn. 12:15
2 Sam. 7:12...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1
2 Sam. 7:14a...The Son of God... Lu. 1:32
2 Sam. 7:16...David's house established forever...Lu. 3:31; Rev.
22:16
2 Ki. 2:11...The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated...Lu. 24:51
1 Chr. 17:11...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1; 9:27
1 Chr. 17:12, 13a...To reign on David's throne forever...Lu. 1:32,
33
1 Chr. 17:13a..."I will be His Father, He...my Son."...Heb. 1:5
Job 19:23-27...The Resurrection predicted...Jn. 5:24-29
Psa. 2:1-3...The enmity of kings foreordained...Acts 4:25-28
Psa. 2:2...To own the title, Anointed (Christ)...Acts 2:36
Ps. 2:6...His Character-Holiness...Jn. 8:46; Rev. 3:7
Ps. 2:6...To own the title King...Mt. 2:2
Ps. 2:7...Declared the Beloved Son...Mt. 3;17
Psa. 2:7, 8...The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated...Acts
13:29-33
Psa. 2:12...Life comes through faith in Him...Jn. 20:31
Psa. 8:2...The mouths of babes perfect His praise...Mt. 21:16
Psa. 8:5, 6...His humiliation and exaltation...Lu. 24:50-53; 1 Cor.
15:27
Psa. 16:10...Was not to see corruption...Acts 2:31
Psa. 16:9-11...Was to arise from the dead...Jn. 20:9
Psa. 17;15...The resurrection predicted...Lu. 24:6
Psa. 22:1...Forsaken because of sins of others...2 Cor. 5:21
Psa. 22:1...Words spoken from Calvary, "My God..." Mk.
15:34
Psa. 22:2...Darkness upon Calvary...Mt. 27:45
Psa. 22:7...They shoot out the lip and shake the head...Mt.
27:39
Psa. 22:8.."He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him"...Mt.
27:43
Psa. 22:9......Born the Saviour......Lu. 2:7
Psa. 22:14...Died of a broken (ruptured)heart...Jn. 19:34
Psa. 22:14,15...Suffered agony on Calvary...Mk. 15:34-37
Psa. 22:15........He thirsted........Jn. 19:28
Psa. 22:16...They pierced His hands and His feet....Jn.
19:34,37;20:27
Psa. 22:17,18...Stripped Him before the stares of men...Lu.
23:34,35
Psa. 22:18.....They parted His garments.....Jn. 19:23,24
Psa. 22:20,21...He committed Himself to God...Lu.23:46
Psa. 22:20,21..Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's
heel..Heb. 2:14
Psa. 22:22.....His Resurrection declared.....Jn. 20:17
Psa. 22:27...He shall be the governor of the nations...Col 1:16
Psa. 22:31......"It is finished"......Jn. 19:30
Psa. 23:1...."I am the Good Shephard"....Jn. 10:11
Psa. 24:3......His exaltation predicted......Acts 1:11; Phil. 2:9
Psa. 30:3......His resurrection predicted......Acts 2:32
Psa. 31:5..."Into thy hands I commit my spirit"...Lu. 23:46
Psa. 31:11...His acquaintances fled from Him...Mk. 14:50
Psa. 31:13...They took counsel to put Him to death...Jn. 11:53
Psa. 31:14,15..." He trusted in God, let Him deliver him"...Mt.
27:43
Psa. 34:20.....Not a bone of Him broken.....Jn 19:31-36
Psa. 35:11....False witnesses rose up against Him....Mt. 26:59
Psa. 35:19...He was hated without a cause...Jn. 15:25
Psa. 38:11.....His friends stood afar off.....Lu. 23:49
Psa. 40:2-5...The joy of His resurrection predicted...Jn. 20:20
Psa. 40:6-8....His delight-the will of the Father....Jn. 4:34
Psa. 40:9....He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel....Mt.
4:17
Psa. 40:14...Confronted by adversaries in the Garden...Jn. 18:4-6
Psa. 41:9.....Betrayed by a familiar friend.....Jn. 13:18
Psa. 45:2...Words of Grace come from His lips...Lu. 4:22
Psa. 45:6...To own the title, God or Elohim...Heb. 1:8
Psa. 45:7...A special anointing by the Holy Spirit...Mt.3:16;
Heb.1:9
Psa. 45:7,8...Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed)...Lu. 2:11
Psa. 55:12-14...Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy...Jn. 13:18
Psa. 55:15...Unrepentant death of the Betrayer...Mt. 27:3-5; Acts
1:16-19
Psa. 68:18...To give gifts to men...Eph. 4:7-16
Psa. 68:18...Ascended into Heaven...Lu. 24:51
Psa. 69:4...Hated without a cause...Jn. 15:25
Psa. 69:8...A stranger to own brethren...Lu. 8;20,21
Psa. 69:9...Zealous for the Lord's House...Jn. 2:17
Psa. 69:14-20...Messiah's anguish of soul before crucifixion...Mt.
26:36-45
Psa. 69:20..."My soul is exceeding sorrowful."...Mt. 26:38
Psa. 69:21...Given vinegar in thirst...Mt. 27:34
Psa. 69:26...The Saviour given and smitten by God...Jn. 17:4;
18:11
Psa. 72:10,11...Great persons were to visit Him...Mt. 2:1-11
Psa. 72:16...The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground...Jn. 12:24
Psa. 72:17...His name, Yinon, will produce offspring...Jn. 1:12,13
Psa. 72:17...All nations shall be blessed by Him...Acts 2:11,12,41
Psa. 78:1.2...He would teach in parables...Mt. 13:34-35
Psa. 78:2b...To speak the Wisdom of God with authority...Mt.
7:29
Psa. 88:8...They stood afar off and watched...Lu. 23:49
Psa. 89:27...Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings...Lu.
1:32,33
Psa. 89:35-37...David's Seed, throne, kingdom endure
forever...Lu. 1:32,33
Psa. 89:36-37...His character-Faithfulness...Rev. 1:5
Psa. 90:2...He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2)...Jn. 1:1
Psa. 91:11,12...Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ...Lu.
4;10,11
Psa. 97:9...His exaltation predicted...Acts 1:11;Eph. 1:20
Psa. 100:5...His character-Goodness...Mt. 19:16,17
Psa. 102:1-11...The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary...Jn.
21:16-30
Psa. 102:25-27...Messiah is the Preexistent Son...Heb. 1:10-12
Psa. 109:25...Ridiculed...Mt. 27:39
Psa. 110:1...Son of David...Mt. 22:43
Psa. 110:1...To ascend to the right-hand of the Father...Mk.16:19
Psa. 110:1...David's son called Lord...Mt. 22:44,45
Psa. 110:4...A priest after Melchizedek's order...Heb. 6:20
Psa. 112:4...His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al... Mt.
9;36
Psa. 118:17,18...Messiah's Resurrection assured...Lu. 24:5-7;1
Cor. 15:20
Psa. 118:22,23...The rejected stone is Head of the corner...Mt.
21:42,43
Psa. 118:26a...The Blessed One presented to Israel...Mt. 21:9
Psa. 118:26b...To come while Temple standing...Mt. 21;12-15
Psa. 132:11...The Seed of David(the fruit of His Body)...Lu. 1:32
Psa. 138:1-6...The supremacy of David's Seed amazes kings... Mt.
2:2-6
Psa. 147:3,6...The earthly ministry of Christ described...Lu. 4:18
Psa. 1:23...He will send the Spirit of God... Jn. 16;7
Song. 5;16...The altogether lovely One...Jn. 1:17
Isa. 6:1...When Isaiah saw His glory... Jn. 12:40-41
Isa. 6:9-10...Parables fall on deaf ears...Mt. 13:13-15
Isa. 6:9-12...Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words...Acts. 28:23-
29
Isa. 7:14...To be born of a virgin...Lu. 1:35
Isa. 7:14...To be Emmanuel-God with us... Mt. 1:18-23
Isa. 8:8...Called Emmanuel...Mt. 28:20
Isa. 8:14...A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense... 1 Pet. 2:8
Isa. 9:1,2...His ministry to begin in Galilee...Mt. 4:12-17
Isa. 9:6...A child born-Humanity...Lu. 1:31
Isa. 9:6...A Son given-Deity...Lu. 1:32; Jn. 1;14; 1 Tim. 3:16
Isa. 9:6...Declared to be the Son of God with power... Rom. 1:3,4
Isa. 9:6...The Wonderful One, Peleh...Lu. 4:22
Isa. 9:6...The Counsellor, Yaatz...Mt. 13:54
Isa. 9:6...The Mighty God, El Gibor...Mt. 11:20
Isa. 9:6...The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth...Jn. 8:58
Isa. 9:6...The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom...Jn . 16:33
Isa. 9:7...To establish an everlasting kingdom...Lu. 1:32-33
Isa. 9:7...His Character-Just...Jn. 5:30
Isa. 9:7...No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace...Lu.
1:32-33
Isa. 11:1...Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer...Mt. 2:23
Isa. 11:1...A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse...Lu. 3:23,32
Isa. 11:2...The anointed One by the Spirit...Mt. 3;16,17
Isa. 11:2...His Character-Wisdom, Understanding, et al....Jn. 4:4-
26
Isa. 11:4...His Character-Truth...Jn. 14:6
Isa. 11:10...The Gentiles seek Him...Jn. 12:18-21
Isa. 12:2...Called Jesus-Yeshua...Mt. 1:21
Isa. 25:8...The Resurrection predicted...I Cor. 15:54
Isa. 26:19...His power of Resurrection predicted...Jn. 11:43,44
Isa. 28:16...The Messiah is the precious corner stone...Acts
4:11,12
Isa. 29:13...He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word...Mt.
15:7-9
Isa. 29:14...The wise are confounded by the Word...I Cor. 1:18-31
Isa. 32:2...A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place...Mt. 23:37
Isa. 35:4...He will come and save you...Mt. 1:21
Isa. 35:5...To have a ministry of miracles...Mt. 11:4-6
Isa. 40:3,4...Preceded by forerunner...Jn. 1:23
Isa. 40:9..."Behold your God."...Jn. 1:36;19:14
Isa. 40:11...A shepherd-compassionatelife-giver...Jn. 10:10-18
Isa. 42:1-4...The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer...
Mt.12:18-21
Isa. 42:2...Meek and lowly... Mt. 11:28-30
Isa. 42:3...He brings hope for the hopeless... Jn. 4
Isa. 42:4...The nations shall wait on His teachings... Jn. 12:20-26
Isa. 42:6...The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles...Lu. 2:32
Isa. 42:1,6...His is a Worldwide compassion... Mt. 28:19,20
Isa. 42:7...Blind eyes opened... Jn. 9:25-38
Isa. 43:11...He is the only Saviour... Acts. 4:12
Isa. 44:3...He will send the Spirit of God... Jn. 16:7,13
Isa. 45:23...He will be the Judge... Jn. 5:22;Rom. 14:11
Isa. 48:12...The First and the Last...Jn. 1:30;Rev. 1:8,17
Isa. 48:17...He came as a Teacher...Jn. 3:2
Isa. 49:1...Called from the womb-His humanity...Mt. 1:18
Isa. 49:5...A Servant from the womb...Lu. 1:31;Phil. 2:7
Isa. 49:6...He is Salvation for Israel...Lu. 2:29-32
Isa. 49:6...He is the Light of the Gentiles...Acts 13:47
Isa. 49:6...He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth... Acts 15:7-
18
Isa. 49:7...He is despised of the Nation... Jn. 8:48-49
Isa. 50:3...Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation... Lu.
23:44,45
Isa. 50:4...He is a learned counsellor for the weary... Mt. 11:28,29
Isa. 50:5...The Servant bound willingly to obedience... Mt. 26:39
Isa. 50:6a..."I gave my back to the smiters."... Mt. 27:26
Isa. 50:6b...He was smitten on the cheeks... Mt. 26:67
Isa. 50:6c...He was spat upon... Mt. 27:30
Isa. 52:7...To publish good tidings of peace... Lu. 4:14,15
Isa. 52:13...The Servant exalted...Acts 1:8-11; Eph. 1:19-22
Isa. 52:13...Behold, My Servant... Mt. 17:5; Phil. 2:5-8
Isa. 52:14...The Servant shockingly abused... Lu. 18:31-34; Mt.
26:67,68
Isa. 52:15...Nations startled by message of the Servant... Rom.
15:18-21
Isa. 52:15...His blood shed to make atonement for all... Rev. 1:5
Isa. 53:1...His people would not believe Him... Jn. 12:37-38
Isa. 53:2a...He would grow up in a poor family.... Lu. 2:7
Isa. 53:2b...Appearance of an ordinary man... Phil. 2:7-8
Isa. 53:3a...Despised.... Lu. 4:28-29
Isa. 53:3b...Rejected... Mt. 27:21-23
Isa. 53:3c...Great sorrow and grief... Lu. 19:41-42
Isa. 53:3d...Men hide from being associated with Him... Mk.
14:50-52
Isa. 53:4a...He would have a healing ministry... Lu. 6:17-19
Isa. 53:4b...He would bear the sins of the world... 1 Pet. 2:24
Isa. 53:4c...Thought to be cursed by God... Mt. 27:41-43
Isa. 53:5a...Bears penalty for mankind's transgressions... Lu. 23:33
Isa. 53:5b...His sacrifice would provide peace between man and
God... Col. 1:20
Isa. 53:5c...His back would be whipped... Mt. 27:26
Isa. 53:6a...He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind...Gal. 1:4
Isa. 53:6b...God's will that He bear sin for all mankind... 1 Jn.
4:10
Isa. 53:7a...Oppressed and afflicted... Mt. 27:27-31
Isa. 53:7b...Silent before his accusers... Mt. 27:12-14
Isa. 53:7c...Sacrificial lamb... Jn. 1:29
Isa. 53:8a...Confined and persecuted... Mt. 26:47-27:31
Isa. 53:8b...He would be judged... Jn. 18:13-22
Isa. 53:8c...Killed.... Mt. 27:35
Isa. 53:8d...Dies for the sins of the world... 1 Jn. 2:2
Isa. 53:9a...Buried in a rich man's grave... Mt. 27:57
Isa. 53:9b...Innocent and had done no violence... Mk. 15:3
Isa. 53:9c...No deceit in his mouth... Jn. 18:38
Isa. 53:10a...God's will that He die for mankind... Jn. 18:11
Isa. 53:10b...An offering for sin... Mt. 20:28
Isa. 53:10c...Resurrected and live forever.... Mk. 16:16
Isa. 53:10d...He would prosper... Jn. 17:1-5
Isa. 53:11a...God fully satisfied with His suffering... Jn. 12:27
Isa. 53:11b...God's servant... Rom. 5:18-19
Isa. 53:11c...He would justify man before God... Rom. 5:8-9
Isa. 53:11d...The sin-bearer for all mankind... Heb. 9:28
Isa. 53:12a...Exalted by God because of his sacrifice... Mt. 28:18
Isa. 53:12b...He would give up his life to save mankind... Lu.
23:46
Isa. 53:12c...Grouped with criminals... Lu. 23:32
Isa. 53:12d...Sin-bearer for all mankind... 2 Cor. 5:21
Isa. 53:12e...Intercede to God in behalf of mankind... Lu. 23:34
Isa. 55:3...Resurrected by God... Acts 13:34
Isa. 55:4...A witness... Jn. 18:37
Isa. 59:15-16a...He would come to provide salvation... Jn. 6:40
Isa. 59:15-16b...Intercessor between man and God... Mt. 10:32
Isa. 59:20...He would come to Zion as their Redeemer... Lu. 2:38
Isa. 61:1-2a...The Spirit of God upon him... Mt. 3:16-17
Isa. 61:1-2b...The Messiah would preach the good news... Lu.
4:17-21
Isa. 61:1-2c...Provide freedom from the bondage of sin and
death... Jn. 8:31-32
Isa. 61:1-2...Proclaim a period of grace... Jn. 5:24
Jer.23:5-6a...Descendant of David...Lu. 3:23-31
Jer. 23:5-6b...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 13:13
Jer. 23:5-6c...The Messiah would be both God and Man... 1 Tim.
3:16
Jer. 31:22...Born of a virgin... Mt. 1:18-20
Jer. 31:31...The Messiah would be the new covenant... Mt. 26:28
Jer. 33:14-15...Descendant of David... Lu. 3:23-31
Eze.17:22-24...Descendant of David... Lk. 3:23-31
Eze.34:23-24...Descendant of David... Mt. 1:1
Dan. 7:13-14a...He would ascend into heaven... Acts 1:9-11
Dan. 7:13-14b...Highly exalted... Eph. 1:20-22
Dan. 7:13-14c...His dominion would be everlasting... Lu. 1:31-33
Dan. 9:24a...To make an end to sins... Gal. 1:3-5
Dan. 9:24b...He would be holy... Lu. 1:35
Dan. 9:25...Announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day,
after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem... Jn. 12:12-13
Dan. 9:26a...Killed... Mt. 27:35
Dan. 9:26b...Die for the sins of the world... Heb. 2:9
Dan. 9:26c...Killed before the destruction of the temple... Mt.
27:50-51
Dan. 10:5-6...Messiah in a glorified state... Rev. 1:13-16
Hos. 13:14...He would defeat death... 1 Cor. 15:55-57
Joel 2:32...Offer salvation to all mankind... Rom. 10:12-13
Mic. 5:2a...Born in Bethlehem... Mt. 2:1-2
Mic. 5:2b...God's servant... Jn. 15:10
Mic. 5:2c...From everlasting... Jn. 8:58
Hag. 2:6-9...He would visit the second Temple... Lu. 2:27-32
Hag. 2:23...Descendant of Zerubbabel... Lu. 3:23-27
Zech. 3:8...God's servant... Jn. 17:4
Zech. 6:12-13...Priest and King... Heb. 8:1
Zech. 9:9a...Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem... Mt. 21:8-10
Zech. 9:9b...Beheld as King... Jn. 12:12-13
Zech. 9:9c...The Messiah would be just... Jn. 5:30
Zech. 9:9d...The Messiah would bring salvation... Luke 19:10
Zech. 9:9e...The Messiah would be humble... Mt. 11:29
Zech. 9:9f...Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey... Mt. 21:6-
9
Zech. 10:4...The cornerstone... Eph. 2:20
Zech. 11:4-6a...At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders... Mt.
23:1-4
Zech. 11:4-6b...Rejection causes God to remove His protection..
Lu. 19:41-44
Zech. 11:4-6c...Rejected in favor of another king... Jn. 19:13-15
Zech. 11:7...Ministry to "poor," the believing remnant... Mt. 9:35-
36
Zech. 11:8a...Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them... Mt. 23:33
Zech. 11:8b...Despised... Mt. 27:20
Zech. 11:9...Stops ministering to the those who rejected Him...
Mt. 13:10-11
Zech. 11:10-11a...Rejection causes God to remove protection...
Lu. 19:41-44
Zech. 11:10-11b...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 14:7
Zech. 11:12-13a...Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver... Mt. 26:14-
15
Zech. 11:12-13b...Rejected... Mt. 26:14-15
Zech. 11:12-13c...Thirty pieces of silver thrown into the house of
the Lord... Mt. 27:3-5
Zech. 11:12-13d...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 12:45
Zech. 12:10a...The Messiah's body would be pierced... Jn. 19:34-
37
Zech. 12:10b...The Messiah would be both God and man... Jn.
10:30
Zech. 12:10c...The Messiah would be rejected... Jn. 1:11
Zech. 13:7a...God's will He die for mankind... Jn. 18:11
Zech. 13:7b...A violent death... Mt. 27:35
Zech. 13:7c...Both God and man.. Jn. 14:9
Zech. 13:7d...Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him... Mt.
26:31-56
Mal. 3:1a...Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah... Mt. 11:10
Mal. 3:1b...Sudden appearance at the temple... Mk. 11:15-16
Mal. 3:1c...Messenger of the new covenant... Lu. 4:43
Mal. 4:5...Forerunner in the spirit of Elijah... Mt. 3:1-2
Mal. 4:6...Forerunner would turn many to righteousness... Lu.1:16-17
There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were fulfilled.
Old Testament Prophecies
Fulfilled by Jesus Christ, Messiah
ALL of these prophesies were made hundreds, sometimes
thousands, of years before Jesus Christ was born. Looking in the face of
how He literally fulfilled them all (plus hundreds more), it is an
impossibility that He is not Messiah, Saviour of the world. The ONLY
person...past, present or future...who could fulfill all these prophecies is
Jesus Christ. See His genealogy starting from faithful Abraham.
Fulfilled Prophecy Tenakh/Hebrew
Scripture New Testament
Micah 5:2 His pre-existence John 1:1, 14
Genesis 3:15 Born of the seed of a woman Matthew 1:18
Genesis 12:3 Of the seed of Abraham Matthew 1:1-16
Genesis 12:3 All nations blessed by Abraham's seed Matthew 8:5, 10
Genesis 22:8 God would provide Himself a Lamb as an offering John 1:29
Genesis 49:10 From the tribe of Judah Matthew 1:1-3
Isaiah 9:6-7 Heir to the throne of David Matthew 1:1
Isaiah 9:6 Called "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" Matthew 1:23
Micah 5:2 Born in Bethlehem Matthew 2:1
Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18
Isaiah 7:14 His name called Immanuel, "God with us" Matthew 1:23
Psalm 2:7 Declared to be the Son of God Matthew 3:17
Malachi 4:5-6 His messenger before Him in spirit of Elijah Luke 1:17
Malachi 3:1 Preceded by a messenger to prepare His way Matthew 11:7-11
Isaiah 40:3 Messenger crying "Prepare ye the way of the Lord" Matthew 3:3
Deuteronomy 18:15 Would be a Prophet of the children of Israel Matthew 2:15
Hosea 11:1 Called out of Egypt Matthew 2:15
Jeremiah 31:15 Slaughter of the children Matthew2:18
Judges 13:5;Amos 2:11;Lam. 4:7 Would be a Nazarene Matthew 2:23
Isaiah 9:1-2 Brought light to Zabulon & Nephthalm, Galilee of the Gentiles Matthew 4:15
Psalm 72:10 Presented with gifts Matthew 2:1, 11
Isaiah 53:3 Rejected by His own Matthew 21:42; Mark 8:31,12:10; Luke 9:22,17:25 Psalm 118:22-23;
Isaiah 28:16He is the stone which the builders rejected which became the headstone Matthew 21:42; IPeter 2:7
Isaiah 8:14-15 A stone of stumbling to Israel I Peter 2:8
Zechariah 9:9 He entered Jerusalem as a king riding on an ass Matthew 21:5
Psalms 41:9 Betrayed by a friend John 13:21
Zechariah 11:12 Sold for 30 pieces of silver Matthew 26:15; Luke 22:5
Zechariah 11:12 The 30 pieces of silver given for the potter's field Matthew 27:9-10
Zechariah 11:13 The 30 pieces of silver thrown in the temple Matthew 27:5
Zechariah 13:7 Forsaken by His disciples Matthew 26:56
Psalm 35:11 Accused by false witnesses Matthew 26:60
Isaiah 53:7 Silent to accusations Matthew 27:14
Isaiah 35:5-6 Isaiah 29:18 Heal blind/deaf/lame/dumb; Matthew 11:5
Isaiah 61:Preached to the poor/brokenhearted/captives 1 Matthew 11:5
Micah 7:6 Came to bring a sword, not peace Matthew 10:34-35
Isaiah 53:4 He bore our sickness Matthew 8:16-17
Isaiah 50:6, 53:5 Spat upon, smitten and scourged Matthew 27:26, 30
Micah 5:1 Smitten on the cheek Matthew 27:30
Psalm 35:19 Hated without a cause Matthew 27:23
Isaiah 53:5 The sacrificial lamb John 1:29
Isaiah 42:6;Jeremiah 31:31-34Given for a covenant Romans 11:27/Galatians 3:17, 4:24/Hebrews 8:6, 8, 10; 10:16, 29; 12:24; 13:20
Isaiah 42:2-3 Would not strive or cry Mark 7:36
Isaiah 6:9-10 People would hear not and see not Matthew 13:14-15
Isaiah 29:13 People trust in traditions of men Matthew 15:9
Isaiah 29:13 People give God lip service Matthew 15:8
Isaiah 42:1 God delights in Him Matthew 3:17, 17:5
Isaiah 53:5 Wounded for our sins John 6:51
Isaiah 53:10-12 He bore the sins of many Mark 10:45
Daniel 9:26 Messiah not killed for Himself Matthew 20:28
Isaiah 55:5, 60:3,65:1; Malachi1:11;II Samuel 22:44-45; Psalm 2:7-8Gentiles flock to Him
Matthew 8:10
Isaiah 53:12 Crucified with criminals Matthew 27:35
Zechariah 12:10; His body was pierced Ps. 22:16 John 20:25, 27
Psalm 22:16 Thirsty during execution John 19:28
Psalm 69:21 Given vinegar and gall for thirst Matthew 27:34
Psalm 22:18 Soldiers gambled for his garment Matthew 27:35
Psalm 22:7-8 People mocked, "He trusted in God, let Him deliver him!" Matthew 27:43
Psalm 22:17 People sat there looking at Him Matthew 27:36
Psalm 22:1 Cried, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46
Amos 8:9 Darkness over the land Matthew 27:45
Psalm 34:20, Numbers 9:12 No bones broken John 19:33-36
Zechariah 12:10 Side pierced John 19:34
Isaiah 53:9 Buried with the rich Matthew 27:57, 60
Psalm 16:10-11; 49:15 Resurrected from the dead Mark 16:6
Psalm 110:4 Priest after the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 5:5-6; 6:20; 7:15-17
Psalm 68:18 Ascended to right hand of God Luke 24:51
Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto Him, "Sit thou at my right hand, until I make
thine enemies thy footstool Matt 22:44; Mark 12:36;, 16:19; Luke 20:42-43;
Acts 2:34-35; Hebrews 1:13
His coming glory Malachi 3:2-3 Luke 3:17
324 Messianic Prophecies
Gen. 3:15.....He will bruise Satan's head.....Heb. 2:14, 1 Jn. 3:18
Gen. 5:24....The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated....Mk. 6:19
Gen. 9:26,27...The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem...Lu.
3:36
Gen. 12:3...As Abraham's seed,will bless all nations...Acts.
3:25,26
Gen. 12:7...The Promise made to Abraham's Seed...Gal. 3:16
Gen. 14:18...A priest after Melchizedek...Heb. 6:20
Gen. 14:18........A King also........Heb. 7:2
Gen. 14:18...The Last Supper foreshadowed...Mt. 26:26-29
Gen. 17:19.......The Seed of Isaac.......Rom. 9:7
Gen. 22:8...The Lamb of God promised...Jn. 1:29
Gen. 22:18...As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations...Gal. 3:16
Gen.26:2-5..The Seed of Isaac promised as the
Redeemer..Heb.11:18
Gen. 49:10...The time of His coming...Lu. 2:1-7; Gal. 4:4
Gen. 49:10.......The Seed of Judah.......Lu. 3:33
Gen. 49:10......Called Shiloh or One Sent......Jn. 17:3
Gen. 49:10...To come before Judah lost identity...Jn. 11:47-52
Gen. 49:10...To Him shall the obedience of the people be...Jn.
10:16
Ex. 3:13,14........The Great "I Am".......Jn. 4:26
Ex. 12:5...A Lamb without blemish...1 Pet. 1:19
Ex. 12:13...The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath...Rom. 5:8
Ex. 12:21-27...Christ is our Passover...1 Cor. 5;7
Ex. 12:46...Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken...Jn. 19:31-36
Ex. 15:2...His exaltation predicted as Yeshua...Acts 7:55,56
Ex. 15:11...His Character-Holiness...Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
Ex. 17:6...The Spiritual Rock of Israel...1 Cor. 10;4
Ex. 33:19...His Character-Merciful...Lu. 1:72
Lev.14:11..The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood..Lu.5:12-14;
Acts 6:7
Lev.16:15-17...Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death...Heb. 9:7-14
Lev.16:27...Suffering outside the Camp...Mt. 27:33; Heb. 13:11,
12
Lev.17:11...The Blood-the life of the flesh...Mt. 26;28; Mk. 10:45
Lev.17:11...It is the blood that makes atonement...1 Jn. 3:14-18
Lev.23:36-37...The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst." ..Jn.
19:31-36
Num. 9:12...Not a bone of Him broken...John 19:31-36
Num. 21:9...The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up...Jn. 3:14-18
Num. 24:17...Time: "I shall see him, but not now."...Gal. 4:4
Deut. 18:15..."This is of a truth that prophet."...Jn. 6:14
Deut. 18:15-16..."Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe
me."...Jn. 5:45-47
Deut. 18:18...Sent by the Father to speak His word...Jn. 8:28, 29
Deut. 18:19...Whoever will not hear must bear his sin...Jn. 12:15,
Deut. 21:23...Cursed is he that hangs on a tree...Gal. 3:10-13
Ruth 4:4-9...Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us...Eph. 1:3-7
1 Sam. 2:10...Shall be an anointed King to the Lord...Mt. 28:18;
Jn. 12:15
2 Sam. 7:12...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1
2 Sam. 7:14a...The Son of God... Lu. 1:32
2 Sam. 7:16...David's house established forever...Lu. 3:31; Rev.
22:16
2 Ki. 2:11...The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated...Lu. 24:51
1 Chr. 17:11...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1; 9:27
1 Chr. 17:12, 13a...To reign on David's throne forever...Lu. 1:32,
33
1 Chr. 17:13a..."I will be His Father, He...my Son."...Heb. 1:5
Job 19:23-27...The Resurrection predicted...Jn. 5:24-29
Psa. 2:1-3...The enmity of kings foreordained...Acts 4:25-28
Psa. 2:2...To own the title, Anointed (Christ)...Acts 2:36
Ps. 2:6...His Character-Holiness...Jn. 8:46; Rev. 3:7
Ps. 2:6...To own the title King...Mt. 2:2
Ps. 2:7...Declared the Beloved Son...Mt. 3;17
Psa. 2:7, 8...The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated...Acts
13:29-33
Psa. 2:12...Life comes through faith in Him...Jn. 20:31
Psa. 8:2...The mouths of babes perfect His praise...Mt. 21:16
Psa. 8:5, 6...His humiliation and exaltation...Lu. 24:50-53; 1 Cor.
15:27
Psa. 16:10...Was not to see corruption...Acts 2:31
Psa. 16:9-11...Was to arise from the dead...Jn. 20:9
Psa. 17;15...The resurrection predicted...Lu. 24:6
Psa. 22:1...Forsaken because of sins of others...2 Cor. 5:21
Psa. 22:1...Words spoken from Calvary, "My God..." Mk.
15:34
Psa. 22:2...Darkness upon Calvary...Mt. 27:45
Psa. 22:7...They shoot out the lip and shake the head...Mt.
27:39
Psa. 22:8.."He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him"...Mt.
27:43
Psa. 22:9......Born the Saviour......Lu. 2:7
Psa. 22:14...Died of a broken (ruptured)heart...Jn. 19:34
Psa. 22:14,15...Suffered agony on Calvary...Mk. 15:34-37
Psa. 22:15........He thirsted........Jn. 19:28
Psa. 22:16...They pierced His hands and His feet....Jn.
19:34,37;20:27
Psa. 22:17,18...Stripped Him before the stares of men...Lu.
23:34,35
Psa. 22:18.....They parted His garments.....Jn. 19:23,24
Psa. 22:20,21...He committed Himself to God...Lu.23:46
Psa. 22:20,21..Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's
heel..Heb. 2:14
Psa. 22:22.....His Resurrection declared.....Jn. 20:17
Psa. 22:27...He shall be the governor of the nations...Col 1:16
Psa. 22:31......"It is finished"......Jn. 19:30
Psa. 23:1...."I am the Good Shephard"....Jn. 10:11
Psa. 24:3......His exaltation predicted......Acts 1:11; Phil. 2:9
Psa. 30:3......His resurrection predicted......Acts 2:32
Psa. 31:5..."Into thy hands I commit my spirit"...Lu. 23:46
Psa. 31:11...His acquaintances fled from Him...Mk. 14:50
Psa. 31:13...They took counsel to put Him to death...Jn. 11:53
Psa. 31:14,15..." He trusted in God, let Him deliver him"...Mt.
27:43
Psa. 34:20.....Not a bone of Him broken.....Jn 19:31-36
Psa. 35:11....False witnesses rose up against Him....Mt. 26:59
Psa. 35:19...He was hated without a cause...Jn. 15:25
Psa. 38:11.....His friends stood afar off.....Lu. 23:49
Psa. 40:2-5...The joy of His resurrection predicted...Jn. 20:20
Psa. 40:6-8....His delight-the will of the Father....Jn. 4:34
Psa. 40:9....He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel....Mt.
4:17
Psa. 40:14...Confronted by adversaries in the Garden...Jn. 18:4-6
Psa. 41:9.....Betrayed by a familiar friend.....Jn. 13:18
Psa. 45:2...Words of Grace come from His lips...Lu. 4:22
Psa. 45:6...To own the title, God or Elohim...Heb. 1:8
Psa. 45:7...A special anointing by the Holy Spirit...Mt.3:16;
Heb.1:9
Psa. 45:7,8...Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed)...Lu. 2:11
Psa. 55:12-14...Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy...Jn. 13:18
Psa. 55:15...Unrepentant death of the Betrayer...Mt. 27:3-5; Acts
1:16-19
Psa. 68:18...To give gifts to men...Eph. 4:7-16
Psa. 68:18...Ascended into Heaven...Lu. 24:51
Psa. 69:4...Hated without a cause...Jn. 15:25
Psa. 69:8...A stranger to own brethren...Lu. 8;20,21
Psa. 69:9...Zealous for the Lord's House...Jn. 2:17
Psa. 69:14-20...Messiah's anguish of soul before crucifixion...Mt.
26:36-45
Psa. 69:20..."My soul is exceeding sorrowful."...Mt. 26:38
Psa. 69:21...Given vinegar in thirst...Mt. 27:34
Psa. 69:26...The Saviour given and smitten by God...Jn. 17:4;
18:11
Psa. 72:10,11...Great persons were to visit Him...Mt. 2:1-11
Psa. 72:16...The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground...Jn. 12:24
Psa. 72:17...His name, Yinon, will produce offspring...Jn. 1:12,13
Psa. 72:17...All nations shall be blessed by Him...Acts 2:11,12,41
Psa. 78:1.2...He would teach in parables...Mt. 13:34-35
Psa. 78:2b...To speak the Wisdom of God with authority...Mt.
7:29
Psa. 88:8...They stood afar off and watched...Lu. 23:49
Psa. 89:27...Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings...Lu.
1:32,33
Psa. 89:35-37...David's Seed, throne, kingdom endure
forever...Lu. 1:32,33
Psa. 89:36-37...His character-Faithfulness...Rev. 1:5
Psa. 90:2...He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2)...Jn. 1:1
Psa. 91:11,12...Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ...Lu.
4;10,11
Psa. 97:9...His exaltation predicted...Acts 1:11;Eph. 1:20
Psa. 100:5...His character-Goodness...Mt. 19:16,17
Psa. 102:1-11...The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary...Jn.
21:16-30
Psa. 102:25-27...Messiah is the Preexistent Son...Heb. 1:10-12
Psa. 109:25...Ridiculed...Mt. 27:39
Psa. 110:1...Son of David...Mt. 22:43
Psa. 110:1...To ascend to the right-hand of the Father...Mk.16:19
Psa. 110:1...David's son called Lord...Mt. 22:44,45
Psa. 110:4...A priest after Melchizedek's order...Heb. 6:20
Psa. 112:4...His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al... Mt.
9;36
Psa. 118:17,18...Messiah's Resurrection assured...Lu. 24:5-7;1
Cor. 15:20
Psa. 118:22,23...The rejected stone is Head of the corner...Mt.
21:42,43
Psa. 118:26a...The Blessed One presented to Israel...Mt. 21:9
Psa. 118:26b...To come while Temple standing...Mt. 21;12-15
Psa. 132:11...The Seed of David(the fruit of His Body)...Lu. 1:32
Psa. 138:1-6...The supremacy of David's Seed amazes kings... Mt.
2:2-6
Psa. 147:3,6...The earthly ministry of Christ described...Lu. 4:18
Psa. 1:23...He will send the Spirit of God... Jn. 16;7
Song. 5;16...The altogether lovely One...Jn. 1:17
Isa. 6:1...When Isaiah saw His glory... Jn. 12:40-41
Isa. 6:9-10...Parables fall on deaf ears...Mt. 13:13-15
Isa. 6:9-12...Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words...Acts. 28:23-
29
Isa. 7:14...To be born of a virgin...Lu. 1:35
Isa. 7:14...To be Emmanuel-God with us... Mt. 1:18-23
Isa. 8:8...Called Emmanuel...Mt. 28:20
Isa. 8:14...A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense... 1 Pet. 2:8
Isa. 9:1,2...His ministry to begin in Galilee...Mt. 4:12-17
Isa. 9:6...A child born-Humanity...Lu. 1:31
Isa. 9:6...A Son given-Deity...Lu. 1:32; Jn. 1;14; 1 Tim. 3:16
Isa. 9:6...Declared to be the Son of God with power... Rom. 1:3,4
Isa. 9:6...The Wonderful One, Peleh...Lu. 4:22
Isa. 9:6...The Counsellor, Yaatz...Mt. 13:54
Isa. 9:6...The Mighty God, El Gibor...Mt. 11:20
Isa. 9:6...The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth...Jn. 8:58
Isa. 9:6...The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom...Jn . 16:33
Isa. 9:7...To establish an everlasting kingdom...Lu. 1:32-33
Isa. 9:7...His Character-Just...Jn. 5:30
Isa. 9:7...No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace...Lu.
1:32-33
Isa. 11:1...Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer...Mt. 2:23
Isa. 11:1...A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse...Lu. 3:23,32
Isa. 11:2...The anointed One by the Spirit...Mt. 3;16,17
Isa. 11:2...His Character-Wisdom, Understanding, et al....Jn. 4:4-
26
Isa. 11:4...His Character-Truth...Jn. 14:6
Isa. 11:10...The Gentiles seek Him...Jn. 12:18-21
Isa. 12:2...Called Jesus-Yeshua...Mt. 1:21
Isa. 25:8...The Resurrection predicted...I Cor. 15:54
Isa. 26:19...His power of Resurrection predicted...Jn. 11:43,44
Isa. 28:16...The Messiah is the precious corner stone...Acts
4:11,12
Isa. 29:13...He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word...Mt.
15:7-9
Isa. 29:14...The wise are confounded by the Word...I Cor. 1:18-31
Isa. 32:2...A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place...Mt. 23:37
Isa. 35:4...He will come and save you...Mt. 1:21
Isa. 35:5...To have a ministry of miracles...Mt. 11:4-6
Isa. 40:3,4...Preceded by forerunner...Jn. 1:23
Isa. 40:9..."Behold your God."...Jn. 1:36;19:14
Isa. 40:11...A shepherd-compassionatelife-giver...Jn. 10:10-18
Isa. 42:1-4...The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer...
Mt.12:18-21
Isa. 42:2...Meek and lowly... Mt. 11:28-30
Isa. 42:3...He brings hope for the hopeless... Jn. 4
Isa. 42:4...The nations shall wait on His teachings... Jn. 12:20-26
Isa. 42:6...The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles...Lu. 2:32
Isa. 42:1,6...His is a Worldwide compassion... Mt. 28:19,20
Isa. 42:7...Blind eyes opened... Jn. 9:25-38
Isa. 43:11...He is the only Saviour... Acts. 4:12
Isa. 44:3...He will send the Spirit of God... Jn. 16:7,13
Isa. 45:23...He will be the Judge... Jn. 5:22;Rom. 14:11
Isa. 48:12...The First and the Last...Jn. 1:30;Rev. 1:8,17
Isa. 48:17...He came as a Teacher...Jn. 3:2
Isa. 49:1...Called from the womb-His humanity...Mt. 1:18
Isa. 49:5...A Servant from the womb...Lu. 1:31;Phil. 2:7
Isa. 49:6...He is Salvation for Israel...Lu. 2:29-32
Isa. 49:6...He is the Light of the Gentiles...Acts 13:47
Isa. 49:6...He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth... Acts 15:7-
18
Isa. 49:7...He is despised of the Nation... Jn. 8:48-49
Isa. 50:3...Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation... Lu.
23:44,45
Isa. 50:4...He is a learned counsellor for the weary... Mt. 11:28,29
Isa. 50:5...The Servant bound willingly to obedience... Mt. 26:39
Isa. 50:6a..."I gave my back to the smiters."... Mt. 27:26
Isa. 50:6b...He was smitten on the cheeks... Mt. 26:67
Isa. 50:6c...He was spat upon... Mt. 27:30
Isa. 52:7...To publish good tidings of peace... Lu. 4:14,15
Isa. 52:13...The Servant exalted...Acts 1:8-11; Eph. 1:19-22
Isa. 52:13...Behold, My Servant... Mt. 17:5; Phil. 2:5-8
Isa. 52:14...The Servant shockingly abused... Lu. 18:31-34; Mt.
26:67,68
Isa. 52:15...Nations startled by message of the Servant... Rom.
15:18-21
Isa. 52:15...His blood shed to make atonement for all... Rev. 1:5
Isa. 53:1...His people would not believe Him... Jn. 12:37-38
Isa. 53:2a...He would grow up in a poor family.... Lu. 2:7
Isa. 53:2b...Appearance of an ordinary man... Phil. 2:7-8
Isa. 53:3a...Despised.... Lu. 4:28-29
Isa. 53:3b...Rejected... Mt. 27:21-23
Isa. 53:3c...Great sorrow and grief... Lu. 19:41-42
Isa. 53:3d...Men hide from being associated with Him... Mk.
14:50-52
Isa. 53:4a...He would have a healing ministry... Lu. 6:17-19
Isa. 53:4b...He would bear the sins of the world... 1 Pet. 2:24
Isa. 53:4c...Thought to be cursed by God... Mt. 27:41-43
Isa. 53:5a...Bears penalty for mankind's transgressions... Lu. 23:33
Isa. 53:5b...His sacrifice would provide peace between man and
God... Col. 1:20
Isa. 53:5c...His back would be whipped... Mt. 27:26
Isa. 53:6a...He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind...Gal. 1:4
Isa. 53:6b...God's will that He bear sin for all mankind... 1 Jn.
4:10
Isa. 53:7a...Oppressed and afflicted... Mt. 27:27-31
Isa. 53:7b...Silent before his accusers... Mt. 27:12-14
Isa. 53:7c...Sacrificial lamb... Jn. 1:29
Isa. 53:8a...Confined and persecuted... Mt. 26:47-27:31
Isa. 53:8b...He would be judged... Jn. 18:13-22
Isa. 53:8c...Killed.... Mt. 27:35
Isa. 53:8d...Dies for the sins of the world... 1 Jn. 2:2
Isa. 53:9a...Buried in a rich man's grave... Mt. 27:57
Isa. 53:9b...Innocent and had done no violence... Mk. 15:3
Isa. 53:9c...No deceit in his mouth... Jn. 18:38
Isa. 53:10a...God's will that He die for mankind... Jn. 18:11
Isa. 53:10b...An offering for sin... Mt. 20:28
Isa. 53:10c...Resurrected and live forever.... Mk. 16:16
Isa. 53:10d...He would prosper... Jn. 17:1-5
Isa. 53:11a...God fully satisfied with His suffering... Jn. 12:27
Isa. 53:11b...God's servant... Rom. 5:18-19
Isa. 53:11c...He would justify man before God... Rom. 5:8-9
Isa. 53:11d...The sin-bearer for all mankind... Heb. 9:28
Isa. 53:12a...Exalted by God because of his sacrifice... Mt. 28:18
Isa. 53:12b...He would give up his life to save mankind... Lu.
23:46
Isa. 53:12c...Grouped with criminals... Lu. 23:32
Isa. 53:12d...Sin-bearer for all mankind... 2 Cor. 5:21
Isa. 53:12e...Intercede to God in behalf of mankind... Lu. 23:34
Isa. 55:3...Resurrected by God... Acts 13:34
Isa. 55:4...A witness... Jn. 18:37
Isa. 59:15-16a...He would come to provide salvation... Jn. 6:40
Isa. 59:15-16b...Intercessor between man and God... Mt. 10:32
Isa. 59:20...He would come to Zion as their Redeemer... Lu. 2:38
Isa. 61:1-2a...The Spirit of God upon him... Mt. 3:16-17
Isa. 61:1-2b...The Messiah would preach the good news... Lu.
4:17-21
Isa. 61:1-2c...Provide freedom from the bondage of sin and
death... Jn. 8:31-32
Isa. 61:1-2...Proclaim a period of grace... Jn. 5:24
Jer.23:5-6a...Descendant of David...Lu. 3:23-31
Jer. 23:5-6b...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 13:13
Jer. 23:5-6c...The Messiah would be both God and Man... 1 Tim.
3:16
Jer. 31:22...Born of a virgin... Mt. 1:18-20
Jer. 31:31...The Messiah would be the new covenant... Mt. 26:28
Jer. 33:14-15...Descendant of David... Lu. 3:23-31
Eze.17:22-24...Descendant of David... Lk. 3:23-31
Eze.34:23-24...Descendant of David... Mt. 1:1
Dan. 7:13-14a...He would ascend into heaven... Acts 1:9-11
Dan. 7:13-14b...Highly exalted... Eph. 1:20-22
Dan. 7:13-14c...His dominion would be everlasting... Lu. 1:31-33
Dan. 9:24a...To make an end to sins... Gal. 1:3-5
Dan. 9:24b...He would be holy... Lu. 1:35
Dan. 9:25...Announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day,
after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem... Jn. 12:12-13
Dan. 9:26a...Killed... Mt. 27:35
Dan. 9:26b...Die for the sins of the world... Heb. 2:9
Dan. 9:26c...Killed before the destruction of the temple... Mt.
27:50-51
Dan. 10:5-6...Messiah in a glorified state... Rev. 1:13-16
Hos. 13:14...He would defeat death... 1 Cor. 15:55-57
Joel 2:32...Offer salvation to all mankind... Rom. 10:12-13
Mic. 5:2a...Born in Bethlehem... Mt. 2:1-2
Mic. 5:2b...God's servant... Jn. 15:10
Mic. 5:2c...From everlasting... Jn. 8:58
Hag. 2:6-9...He would visit the second Temple... Lu. 2:27-32
Hag. 2:23...Descendant of Zerubbabel... Lu. 3:23-27
Zech. 3:8...God's servant... Jn. 17:4
Zech. 6:12-13...Priest and King... Heb. 8:1
Zech. 9:9a...Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem... Mt. 21:8-10
Zech. 9:9b...Beheld as King... Jn. 12:12-13
Zech. 9:9c...The Messiah would be just... Jn. 5:30
Zech. 9:9d...The Messiah would bring salvation... Luke 19:10
Zech. 9:9e...The Messiah would be humble... Mt. 11:29
Zech. 9:9f...Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey... Mt. 21:6-
9
Zech. 10:4...The cornerstone... Eph. 2:20
Zech. 11:4-6a...At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders... Mt.
23:1-4
Zech. 11:4-6b...Rejection causes God to remove His protection..
Lu. 19:41-44
Zech. 11:4-6c...Rejected in favor of another king... Jn. 19:13-15
Zech. 11:7...Ministry to "poor," the believing remnant... Mt. 9:35-
36
Zech. 11:8a...Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them... Mt. 23:33
Zech. 11:8b...Despised... Mt. 27:20
Zech. 11:9...Stops ministering to the those who rejected Him...
Mt. 13:10-11
Zech. 11:10-11a...Rejection causes God to remove protection...
Lu. 19:41-44
Zech. 11:10-11b...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 14:7
Zech. 11:12-13a...Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver... Mt. 26:14-
15
Zech. 11:12-13b...Rejected... Mt. 26:14-15
Zech. 11:12-13c...Thirty pieces of silver thrown into the house of
the Lord... Mt. 27:3-5
Zech. 11:12-13d...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 12:45
Zech. 12:10a...The Messiah's body would be pierced... Jn. 19:34-
37
Zech. 12:10b...The Messiah would be both God and man... Jn.
10:30
Zech. 12:10c...The Messiah would be rejected... Jn. 1:11
Zech. 13:7a...God's will He die for mankind... Jn. 18:11
Zech. 13:7b...A violent death... Mt. 27:35
Zech. 13:7c...Both God and man.. Jn. 14:9
Zech. 13:7d...Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him... Mt.
26:31-56
Mal. 3:1a...Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah... Mt. 11:10
Mal. 3:1b...Sudden appearance at the temple... Mk. 11:15-16
Mal. 3:1c...Messenger of the new covenant... Lu. 4:43
Mal. 4:5...Forerunner in the spirit of Elijah... Mt. 3:1-2
Mal. 4:6...Forerunner would turn many to righteousness... Lu.1:16-17
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xfrodobagginsx;1125756 wrote: first of all, there is pleanty of other evidence. Secondly, testimony is evidence that is admissable in a court of law, since they use it every day in them and base cases on them.
lies !
lies !
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Nomad;1127624 wrote: lies !
Be gentle Nomad - misinformed!
Be gentle Nomad - misinformed!
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Everything in life is uncertain..even that. Best I can do is my best and then keep my fingers crosses. :-3
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Nomad;1127624 wrote: lies !
So, testimony isn't admissable in a court of law? :rolleyes:
So, testimony isn't admissable in a court of law? :rolleyes:
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xfrodobagginsx;1128712 wrote: So, testimony isn't admissable in a court of law? :rolleyes:
It's an irrelevance. What matters here is that you're putting far more people off exploring Christianity than you're conning into it. You should be thoroughly ashamed of your behaviour here.
It's an irrelevance. What matters here is that you're putting far more people off exploring Christianity than you're conning into it. You should be thoroughly ashamed of your behaviour here.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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[QUOTE=xfrodobagginsx;1127620]The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life.
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Hello there. It is very plain to see that you take the bible very seriously. You have certainly gone to a lot of work typing in all those scriptures. But I have a problem that you may be able to explain to me. There is a scripture that appears somewhat contradictory to almost the entire first part of the Old Testament. I have asked others about it and they start to muddle around and try to rationalize that it means this or means that, but basically they have lost focus and are simply trying to get out of answering it clearly.
Now you appear to take the scriptures very literally. You take each scripture for what it is and don't try to make something else out of it. So would you please explain Jeremiah 7: 21-23. In the KJV it states;
21 - Thus saith the lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices and eat flesh.
22 -For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
23- But this thing commanded I them, saying. Obey my voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you
You see the problem that I am having here? Jeremiah is the 24th book of the bible. The first section of the bible, Leviticus through to Deuteronomy, is full of commandments from god concerning sacrifices for this and for that. Goodness, the first thing Noah did when he left the ark was to make a sacrifice to God. Since he was such a good friend of gods he would have known if it was right or wrong wouldn't he? Now, Jeremiah states that god told him that he never said anything about sacrifice to the Israelites. If this is true then who did give those commandments? We know that we don't want to think that God is lying. It would be terrible to believe that one of the foremost prophets was lying because many of the prophecies come out of the book of Jeremiah. Yet that is what it states very clearly.
Now, if we were to say that this scripture relates to something entirely different in some other part of the bible then we could say that about all scriptures throughout the entire book.
I sure would appreciate if you can explain this to me and not try to fudge it like others do. If you answer this one I sure would like your help with others.
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Hello there. It is very plain to see that you take the bible very seriously. You have certainly gone to a lot of work typing in all those scriptures. But I have a problem that you may be able to explain to me. There is a scripture that appears somewhat contradictory to almost the entire first part of the Old Testament. I have asked others about it and they start to muddle around and try to rationalize that it means this or means that, but basically they have lost focus and are simply trying to get out of answering it clearly.
Now you appear to take the scriptures very literally. You take each scripture for what it is and don't try to make something else out of it. So would you please explain Jeremiah 7: 21-23. In the KJV it states;
21 - Thus saith the lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices and eat flesh.
22 -For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
23- But this thing commanded I them, saying. Obey my voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you
You see the problem that I am having here? Jeremiah is the 24th book of the bible. The first section of the bible, Leviticus through to Deuteronomy, is full of commandments from god concerning sacrifices for this and for that. Goodness, the first thing Noah did when he left the ark was to make a sacrifice to God. Since he was such a good friend of gods he would have known if it was right or wrong wouldn't he? Now, Jeremiah states that god told him that he never said anything about sacrifice to the Israelites. If this is true then who did give those commandments? We know that we don't want to think that God is lying. It would be terrible to believe that one of the foremost prophets was lying because many of the prophecies come out of the book of Jeremiah. Yet that is what it states very clearly.
Now, if we were to say that this scripture relates to something entirely different in some other part of the bible then we could say that about all scriptures throughout the entire book.
I sure would appreciate if you can explain this to me and not try to fudge it like others do. If you answer this one I sure would like your help with others.
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Amber Sun;1129359 wrote: [QUOTE=xfrodobagginsx;1127620]The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life.
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Hello there. It is very plain to see that you take the bible very seriously. You have certainly gone to a lot of work typing in all those scriptures. But I have a problem that you may be able to explain to me. There is a scripture that appears somewhat contradictory to almost the entire first part of the Old Testament. I have asked others about it and they start to muddle around and try to rationalize that it means this or means that, but basically they have lost focus and are simply trying to get out of answering it clearly.
Now you appear to take the scriptures very literally. You take each scripture for what it is and don't try to make something else out of it. So would you please explain Jeremiah 7: 21-23. In the KJV it states;
21 - Thus saith the lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices and eat flesh.
22 -For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
23- But this thing commanded I them, saying. Obey my voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you
You see the problem that I am having here? Jeremiah is the 24th book of the bible. The first section of the bible, Leviticus through to Deuteronomy, is full of commandments from god concerning sacrifices for this and for that.
He said that He didn't speak unto them on the exact day that He brought them out of Egypt. He didn't say that He never commanded them. He just told them to obey Him and He would be their God and they would be my people. When He got them out of Egypt, they were at Mt. Sinai and at THAT time God gave moses the commandments and began to give the law.
Goodness, the first thing Noah did when he left the ark was to make a sacrifice to God.
Before the law of moses, they DID still offer sacrifice unto the Lord, but they didn't have the mosaic law at that time.
Since he was such a good friend of gods he would have known if it was right or wrong wouldn't he?
Before Moses, man lived under a different covenant with God.
Now, Jeremiah states that god told him that he never said anything about sacrifice to the Israelites. If this is true then who did give those commandments?
That's NOT what God said. He said that He didn't command them in the DAY that He brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. Later, He did command them.
We know that we don't want to think that God is lying. It would be terrible to believe that one of the foremost prophets was lying because many of the prophecies come out of the book of Jeremiah. Yet that is what it states very clearly.
You are missing the key word in the DAY.
Now, if we were to say that this scripture relates to something entirely different in some other part of the bible then we could say that about all scriptures throughout the entire book.
I sure would appreciate if you can explain this to me and not try to fudge it like others do. If you answer this one I sure would like your help with others.
My response is in bold above. You must read carefully when interpreting passages. God wanted them to trust Him FIRST before He would go through the trouble of giving them the law.
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
23- But this thing commanded I them, saying. Obey my voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you
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Hello there. It is very plain to see that you take the bible very seriously. You have certainly gone to a lot of work typing in all those scriptures. But I have a problem that you may be able to explain to me. There is a scripture that appears somewhat contradictory to almost the entire first part of the Old Testament. I have asked others about it and they start to muddle around and try to rationalize that it means this or means that, but basically they have lost focus and are simply trying to get out of answering it clearly.
Now you appear to take the scriptures very literally. You take each scripture for what it is and don't try to make something else out of it. So would you please explain Jeremiah 7: 21-23. In the KJV it states;
21 - Thus saith the lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices and eat flesh.
22 -For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
23- But this thing commanded I them, saying. Obey my voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you
You see the problem that I am having here? Jeremiah is the 24th book of the bible. The first section of the bible, Leviticus through to Deuteronomy, is full of commandments from god concerning sacrifices for this and for that.
He said that He didn't speak unto them on the exact day that He brought them out of Egypt. He didn't say that He never commanded them. He just told them to obey Him and He would be their God and they would be my people. When He got them out of Egypt, they were at Mt. Sinai and at THAT time God gave moses the commandments and began to give the law.
Goodness, the first thing Noah did when he left the ark was to make a sacrifice to God.
Before the law of moses, they DID still offer sacrifice unto the Lord, but they didn't have the mosaic law at that time.
Since he was such a good friend of gods he would have known if it was right or wrong wouldn't he?
Before Moses, man lived under a different covenant with God.
Now, Jeremiah states that god told him that he never said anything about sacrifice to the Israelites. If this is true then who did give those commandments?
That's NOT what God said. He said that He didn't command them in the DAY that He brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. Later, He did command them.
We know that we don't want to think that God is lying. It would be terrible to believe that one of the foremost prophets was lying because many of the prophecies come out of the book of Jeremiah. Yet that is what it states very clearly.
You are missing the key word in the DAY.
Now, if we were to say that this scripture relates to something entirely different in some other part of the bible then we could say that about all scriptures throughout the entire book.
I sure would appreciate if you can explain this to me and not try to fudge it like others do. If you answer this one I sure would like your help with others.
My response is in bold above. You must read carefully when interpreting passages. God wanted them to trust Him FIRST before He would go through the trouble of giving them the law.
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
23- But this thing commanded I them, saying. Obey my voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you
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xfrodobagginsx;1129825 wrote: [QUOTE=Amber Sun;1129359]
My response is in bold above. You must read carefully when interpreting passages. God wanted them to trust Him FIRST before He would go through the trouble of giving them the law.
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
23- But this thing commanded I them, saying. Obey my voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you
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I'm disappointed in your reply. Your 'fudging' like everyone else does that can't answer this question. You know very well that when the scriptures speak of 'that day' or 'in that day' that it is not referring to a 24 hour day. If you really know your bible then you also know that the exodus took place long before the books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy that contain the laws of sacrifice etc. If you don't know the answer then say you don't know it.
But we don't want you leaving here totally ashamed so I will give you one more chance to be honest. If you try fudging this one also then you will be stating quite clearly that you don't know your bible at all and are simply regurgitating odd bits and pieces you have picked up somewhere. Ok, here it is.
In the book of Genesis we are told that the serpent is an evil creature that temped Eve in the garden, again in Psalms 140:3, and basically throughout the rest of the bible right into Revelations 12:7-9 where Michael and his angels fight with Satan the great serpent and casts him out of heaven. The serpent is a vile creature that appears to oppose god and man. Yet in Numbers 21: 6-9 when serpents are biting and killing the people as they walked in the desert god tells them to erect a 'serpent of brass' and anyone that looks on it will be healed. So now god is directing the people to the serpent for a 'healing'. Now my question is why did god use a serpent as a symbol of healing, why didn't he use a lamb since that is what Jesus was to symbolize? Surely god would know that at any future time that the people needed a healing from some illness they would turn to the serpent that symbolized gods enemy and not to the lamb that symbolized his son.
Don't try 'fudging' this one or I won't give you any more chances.
My response is in bold above. You must read carefully when interpreting passages. God wanted them to trust Him FIRST before He would go through the trouble of giving them the law.
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
23- But this thing commanded I them, saying. Obey my voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you
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I'm disappointed in your reply. Your 'fudging' like everyone else does that can't answer this question. You know very well that when the scriptures speak of 'that day' or 'in that day' that it is not referring to a 24 hour day. If you really know your bible then you also know that the exodus took place long before the books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy that contain the laws of sacrifice etc. If you don't know the answer then say you don't know it.
But we don't want you leaving here totally ashamed so I will give you one more chance to be honest. If you try fudging this one also then you will be stating quite clearly that you don't know your bible at all and are simply regurgitating odd bits and pieces you have picked up somewhere. Ok, here it is.
In the book of Genesis we are told that the serpent is an evil creature that temped Eve in the garden, again in Psalms 140:3, and basically throughout the rest of the bible right into Revelations 12:7-9 where Michael and his angels fight with Satan the great serpent and casts him out of heaven. The serpent is a vile creature that appears to oppose god and man. Yet in Numbers 21: 6-9 when serpents are biting and killing the people as they walked in the desert god tells them to erect a 'serpent of brass' and anyone that looks on it will be healed. So now god is directing the people to the serpent for a 'healing'. Now my question is why did god use a serpent as a symbol of healing, why didn't he use a lamb since that is what Jesus was to symbolize? Surely god would know that at any future time that the people needed a healing from some illness they would turn to the serpent that symbolized gods enemy and not to the lamb that symbolized his son.
Don't try 'fudging' this one or I won't give you any more chances.
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The Christian faith is fragmented. Whatever the meanings of the scriptures or the Bible, the original meanings have clearly been lost. Today, there are so many Christian denominations and these represent the different interpretations of the Bible. Even within the Jewish comunities, there are different versions of the Torah. Each and every denomination, or individual, is adamant that their interpretation is the absolutely correct one. There are even different versions of the Bible.
No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this. If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden. Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.
No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this. If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden. Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.
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OpenMind;1130490 wrote: The Christian faith is fragmented. Whatever the meanings of the scriptures or the Bible, the original meanings have clearly been lost. Today, there are so many Christian denominations and these represent the different interpretations of the Bible. Even within the Jewish comunities, there are different versions of the Torah. Each and every denomination, or individual, is adamant that their interpretation is the absolutely correct one. There are even different versions of the Bible.
No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this. If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden. Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.
It is these feelings of individual/group righteousness and misguided assurance that is responsible for many problems that we have on the planet. However OM, there is a certain psychology in play with the feelings of superiority. All religions stem from the same root, the same core if you prefer. But this then puts all believers into the same brown sack. Once this is realized there is no longer the misconceived basis on which to maintain any kind of superiority. Imagine what would happen if within a 24 hour period all Muslims, Jews, Christians, Pagans etc., found out that they all essentially believed the same thing with only minor differences separating them. Can you even imagine such an enlightened world?
No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this. If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden. Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.
It is these feelings of individual/group righteousness and misguided assurance that is responsible for many problems that we have on the planet. However OM, there is a certain psychology in play with the feelings of superiority. All religions stem from the same root, the same core if you prefer. But this then puts all believers into the same brown sack. Once this is realized there is no longer the misconceived basis on which to maintain any kind of superiority. Imagine what would happen if within a 24 hour period all Muslims, Jews, Christians, Pagans etc., found out that they all essentially believed the same thing with only minor differences separating them. Can you even imagine such an enlightened world?
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OpenMind;1130490 wrote: The Christian faith is fragmented. Whatever the meanings of the scriptures or the Bible, the original meanings have clearly been lost.
That's unsubstatiated rubbish. I don't have to be british to know that. The bible has been preserved. The dead sea scrolls are PROOF that they have been.
Today, there are so many Christian denominations and these represent the different interpretations of the Bible.
Different interpretations of the bible have nothing to do with the manuscripts.
Even within the Jewish comunities, there are different versions of the Torah. Each and every denomination, or individual, is adamant that their interpretation is the absolutely correct one. There are even different versions of the Bible.
The "versions" of the bible are merely translations. Some cults like JW use perverted translations in order to change crucial doctrine.
No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this.
While there are passages that are left open to interpretation, there are many which are not. The ones pertaining to salvation are pretty clear cut, that it is by faith alone in Jesus Christ. That's the most important issue either.
If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden.
Rubbish. You can study the meanings of problem passages by comparing with the rest of the bible.
Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.
In most places you can absolutely know the truth, although in some places God hides the truth until the appointed time. All in all, it's still the word of God and must be interpreted via the Holy Spirit and studied within context.
My response in bold above.
The first thing you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and become "born again" and recieve the Holy Spirit.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
That's unsubstatiated rubbish. I don't have to be british to know that. The bible has been preserved. The dead sea scrolls are PROOF that they have been.
Today, there are so many Christian denominations and these represent the different interpretations of the Bible.
Different interpretations of the bible have nothing to do with the manuscripts.
Even within the Jewish comunities, there are different versions of the Torah. Each and every denomination, or individual, is adamant that their interpretation is the absolutely correct one. There are even different versions of the Bible.
The "versions" of the bible are merely translations. Some cults like JW use perverted translations in order to change crucial doctrine.
No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this.
While there are passages that are left open to interpretation, there are many which are not. The ones pertaining to salvation are pretty clear cut, that it is by faith alone in Jesus Christ. That's the most important issue either.
If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden.
Rubbish. You can study the meanings of problem passages by comparing with the rest of the bible.
Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.
In most places you can absolutely know the truth, although in some places God hides the truth until the appointed time. All in all, it's still the word of God and must be interpreted via the Holy Spirit and studied within context.
My response in bold above.
The first thing you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and become "born again" and recieve the Holy Spirit.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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xfrodobagginsx;1131762 wrote: That's unsubstatiated rubbish. I don't have to be british to know that. The bible has been preserved..Elijah's ravens, things like that. Blatant mistranslations which people still keep insisting are accurate because they're in the King James.
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Originally Posted by OpenMind
The Christian faith is fragmented. Whatever the meanings of the scriptures or the Bible, the original meanings have clearly been lost.
That's unsubstatiated rubbish. I don't have to be british to know that. The bible has been preserved. The dead sea scrolls are PROOF that they have been. If you believe that this is proof, then clearly you'll believe whatever suits you. The Dead Sea scrolls are not in the Bible and only prove that a great deal is missing. The Bible does not contain all the manuscripts that were available at the time. The Dead Sea scrolls were only found in the last last century.
Today, there are so many Christian denominations and these represent the different interpretations of the Bible.
Different interpretations of the bible have nothing to do with the manuscripts. They are nonetheless interpretations thereof since the Bible is based on the original manuscripts.
Even within the Jewish comunities, there are different versions of the Torah. Each and every denomination, or individual, is adamant that their interpretation is the absolutely correct one. There are even different versions of the Bible.
The "versions" of the bible are merely translations. Some cults like JW use perverted translations in order to change crucial doctrine. Exactly.
No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this.
While there are passages that are left open to interpretation, there are many which are not. The ones pertaining to salvation are pretty clear cut, that it is by faith alone in Jesus Christ. That's the most important issue either. I might be wrong, but I believe Jesus Christ only provided a doorway to heaven and salvation. As I recall, faith in God is required as per the two great commandments of Jesus.
If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden.
Rubbish. You can study the meanings of problem passages by comparing with the rest of the bible. Comparison is by no means proof or evidence of the meanings.
Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.
In most places you can absolutely know the truth, although in some places God hides the truth until the appointed time. All in all, it's still the word of God and must be interpreted via the Holy Spirit and studied within context. A context that is over 2000 years removed from us. All claim to having been inspired by the Holy Spirit, including the Jehovah's Witnesses.
xfrodobagginsx;1131762 wrote: My response in bold above.
The first thing you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and become "born again" and recieve the Holy Spirit.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Originally Posted by OpenMind
The Christian faith is fragmented. Whatever the meanings of the scriptures or the Bible, the original meanings have clearly been lost.
That's unsubstatiated rubbish. I don't have to be british to know that. The bible has been preserved. The dead sea scrolls are PROOF that they have been. If you believe that this is proof, then clearly you'll believe whatever suits you. The Dead Sea scrolls are not in the Bible and only prove that a great deal is missing. The Bible does not contain all the manuscripts that were available at the time. The Dead Sea scrolls were only found in the last last century.
Today, there are so many Christian denominations and these represent the different interpretations of the Bible.
Different interpretations of the bible have nothing to do with the manuscripts. They are nonetheless interpretations thereof since the Bible is based on the original manuscripts.
Even within the Jewish comunities, there are different versions of the Torah. Each and every denomination, or individual, is adamant that their interpretation is the absolutely correct one. There are even different versions of the Bible.
The "versions" of the bible are merely translations. Some cults like JW use perverted translations in order to change crucial doctrine. Exactly.
No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this.
While there are passages that are left open to interpretation, there are many which are not. The ones pertaining to salvation are pretty clear cut, that it is by faith alone in Jesus Christ. That's the most important issue either. I might be wrong, but I believe Jesus Christ only provided a doorway to heaven and salvation. As I recall, faith in God is required as per the two great commandments of Jesus.
If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden.
Rubbish. You can study the meanings of problem passages by comparing with the rest of the bible. Comparison is by no means proof or evidence of the meanings.
Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.
In most places you can absolutely know the truth, although in some places God hides the truth until the appointed time. All in all, it's still the word of God and must be interpreted via the Holy Spirit and studied within context. A context that is over 2000 years removed from us. All claim to having been inspired by the Holy Spirit, including the Jehovah's Witnesses.
xfrodobagginsx;1131762 wrote: My response in bold above.
The first thing you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and become "born again" and recieve the Holy Spirit.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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spot;1131884 wrote: Elijah's ravens, things like that. Blatant mistranslations which people still keep insisting are accurate because they're in the King James.
I admit that mis TRANSLATIONS occur, but the word of God has been preserved in the manuscripts. A translation is subject to error. The originals are perfect and inspired.
I admit that mis TRANSLATIONS occur, but the word of God has been preserved in the manuscripts. A translation is subject to error. The originals are perfect and inspired.
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xfrodobagginsx;1141949 wrote: I admit that mis TRANSLATIONS occur, but the word of God has been preserved in the manuscripts. A translation is subject to error. The originals are perfect and inspired.
Who now reads the original - how many of us read ancient Greek or Hebrew?
All of our current texts upon which we base our faith includes these mis-translations.
Who now reads the original - how many of us read ancient Greek or Hebrew?
All of our current texts upon which we base our faith includes these mis-translations.
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Bryn Mawr;1142566 wrote: Who now reads the original - how many of us read ancient Greek or Hebrew?
All of our current texts upon which we base our faith includes these mis-translations.
Now that's not true. The translations and mistranslations come from translating the existing texts.
All of our current texts upon which we base our faith includes these mis-translations.
Now that's not true. The translations and mistranslations come from translating the existing texts.
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xfrodobagginsx;1142620 wrote: Now that's not true. The translations and mistranslations come from translating the existing texts.
Would you run that one past me again?
Are you saying that there were no mistranslations whatsoever going from the ancient Greek and Hebrew originals to, for example, the King James Version which many of us use and that the only mis-translations are from the standard English texts to other translations?
Or maybe you're saying that I'm incorrect in assuming that few people read the original Greek and Hebrew texts?
Would you run that one past me again?
Are you saying that there were no mistranslations whatsoever going from the ancient Greek and Hebrew originals to, for example, the King James Version which many of us use and that the only mis-translations are from the standard English texts to other translations?
Or maybe you're saying that I'm incorrect in assuming that few people read the original Greek and Hebrew texts?
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Bryn Mawr;1143189 wrote: Would you run that one past me again?
Are you saying that there were no mistranslations whatsoever going from the ancient Greek and Hebrew originals to, for example, the King James Version which many of us use and that the only mis-translations are from the standard English texts to other translations?
No I agreed that those types do occur, however, you can compare to the ancient Greek and Hebrew texts to get the preserved word of God.
Or maybe you're saying that I'm incorrect in assuming that few people read the original Greek and Hebrew texts?
There are simple programs that you can get for your computer and there are books that make it quite easy to compare.
My response is in bold above.
Are you saying that there were no mistranslations whatsoever going from the ancient Greek and Hebrew originals to, for example, the King James Version which many of us use and that the only mis-translations are from the standard English texts to other translations?
No I agreed that those types do occur, however, you can compare to the ancient Greek and Hebrew texts to get the preserved word of God.
Or maybe you're saying that I'm incorrect in assuming that few people read the original Greek and Hebrew texts?
There are simple programs that you can get for your computer and there are books that make it quite easy to compare.
My response is in bold above.
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xfrodobagginsx;1145816 wrote: My response is in bold above.
I'll ask again - how many do?
The vast majority of Christian thought and Christian perception is based on English translations of the Bible - the KJV or its successors. Ask anyone for a Biblical quote and they will quote directly from that source.
Where does most Christians basic faith originate? From the English translations, complete with those mis-translations.
We've not even started on copy errors in the "original" texts that you claim as "pure".
I'll ask again - how many do?
The vast majority of Christian thought and Christian perception is based on English translations of the Bible - the KJV or its successors. Ask anyone for a Biblical quote and they will quote directly from that source.
Where does most Christians basic faith originate? From the English translations, complete with those mis-translations.
We've not even started on copy errors in the "original" texts that you claim as "pure".
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Bryn Mawr;1145914 wrote: I'll ask again - how many do?
How many do what?
The vast majority of Christian thought and Christian perception is based on English translations of the Bible - the KJV or its successors. Ask anyone for a Biblical quote and they will quote directly from that source.
Although the KJV is a very accurate and reliable translation, it's not perfectly free of error due to the translation process.
Where does most Christians basic faith originate? From the English translations, complete with those mis-translations.
Most translations are accurate enough to convey the truth, even though the translations are perfect. There ARE perverted translations, meant to decieve. The Jehovah's Witness bible is one of those translations which are perverted to decieve. Which is why we compare it to the greek, hebrew. Strong's makes a good dictionary.
We've not even started on copy errors in the "original" texts that you claim as "pure".
That's easy as well. Less than 5% of all of the thousands of manuscripts deviate from the rest. All you have to do is compare the existing manuscripts to each other. Secondly, the dead sea scrolls prove that the bible has been preserved. They pre-dated the oldest existing manuscripts by 1500 years, yet when compared they were virtually IDENTICAL.
My response is in bold above.
How many do what?
The vast majority of Christian thought and Christian perception is based on English translations of the Bible - the KJV or its successors. Ask anyone for a Biblical quote and they will quote directly from that source.
Although the KJV is a very accurate and reliable translation, it's not perfectly free of error due to the translation process.
Where does most Christians basic faith originate? From the English translations, complete with those mis-translations.
Most translations are accurate enough to convey the truth, even though the translations are perfect. There ARE perverted translations, meant to decieve. The Jehovah's Witness bible is one of those translations which are perverted to decieve. Which is why we compare it to the greek, hebrew. Strong's makes a good dictionary.
We've not even started on copy errors in the "original" texts that you claim as "pure".
That's easy as well. Less than 5% of all of the thousands of manuscripts deviate from the rest. All you have to do is compare the existing manuscripts to each other. Secondly, the dead sea scrolls prove that the bible has been preserved. They pre-dated the oldest existing manuscripts by 1500 years, yet when compared they were virtually IDENTICAL.
My response is in bold above.
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The first thing you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and become "born again" and recieve the Holy Spirit.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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The first thing you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and become "born again" and recieve the Holy Spirit.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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This isn't evangelism, this is spam.
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spot;1152121 wrote: This isn't evangelism, this is spam.
Why is that? Because it doesn't line up with your views?
Why is that? Because it doesn't line up with your views?
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xfrodobagginsx;1152207 wrote: Why is that? Because it doesn't line up with your views?
No, because you're going round a succession of forums posting the same stuff to each. It's not discussion, it's fly-posting. Just google [xfrodobagginsx accept jesus] for confirmation - the same thread with the same fundamentalist claptrap all over the internet. It's graffiti. You should be ashamed of the extent to which you're creating such a distaste for Christianity. Cursed be he that makes the blind wander out of the way.
No, because you're going round a succession of forums posting the same stuff to each. It's not discussion, it's fly-posting. Just google [xfrodobagginsx accept jesus] for confirmation - the same thread with the same fundamentalist claptrap all over the internet. It's graffiti. You should be ashamed of the extent to which you're creating such a distaste for Christianity. Cursed be he that makes the blind wander out of the way.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1152864 wrote: No, because you're going round a succession of forums posting the same stuff to each. It's not discussion, it's fly-posting. Just google [xfrodobagginsx accept jesus] for confirmation - the same thread with the same fundamentalist claptrap all over the internet. It's graffiti. You should be ashamed of the extent to which you're creating such a distaste for Christianity. Cursed be he that makes the blind wander out of the way.
Jesus said "Go ye into all the WORLD and preach the gospel to every creature" and that's what I'm doing.
Was Jesus wrong?
Jesus said "Go ye into all the WORLD and preach the gospel to every creature" and that's what I'm doing.
Was Jesus wrong?
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xfrodobagginsx;1153482 wrote: Jesus said "Go ye into all the WORLD and preach the gospel to every creature" and that's what I'm doing.
Was Jesus wrong?
I doubt whether he existed at all. It's a story. If he did exist I'm completely certain he never said any such thing.
That's the trouble with you literalists.
The world will be a cleaner place when you're all extinct. Christianity's a perfectly good religion if it weren't for the fundamentalist fools it attracts.
Was Jesus wrong?
I doubt whether he existed at all. It's a story. If he did exist I'm completely certain he never said any such thing.
That's the trouble with you literalists.
The world will be a cleaner place when you're all extinct. Christianity's a perfectly good religion if it weren't for the fundamentalist fools it attracts.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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xfrodobagginsx;1153482 wrote: Jesus said "Go ye into all the WORLD and preach the gospel to every creature" and that's what I'm doing.
Was Jesus wrong?
There is teaching and there is ramming it down peoples throats - I guess you chose the wrong interpretation.
Was Jesus wrong?
There is teaching and there is ramming it down peoples throats - I guess you chose the wrong interpretation.
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What you need to do is ask the Lord to open the eyes of your heart to Him:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2012994630
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2012994630
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This is a new use of the word "need" which I've never encountered before. It's like reading "you need a psychosis".
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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I'm perfect and will go to heaven someday...oh wait I'm already there.:wah:
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Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
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xfrodobagginsx;1157342 wrote: Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Not all manage to blacken the name of Christ the way you do though.
Not all manage to blacken the name of Christ the way you do though.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1157398 wrote: Not all manage to blacken the name of Christ the way you do though.
Who said this?
Joh 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Who said this?
Joh 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.