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Jester;1026099 wrote: Not automatically, not unless you want to carry one on your hip, but having the right to carry one on your hip is safer. Just ask the fella that woke up to his home being robbed...

The logic is that when a perp knows folks may be armed then he may think twice about pulling a gun.

In my home town everybody was armed, if someone had robbed the local bank the man would be dead in the street. Consequently the level of crime in my home town is ZERO.


Jester I'm assuming you haven't had much experience with inner city life...

Carrying a gun not only increases the susceptibility of a criminal stealing your gun and killing you but increases death due to human error...Ever seen a drunk get pissed for absolutely no reason?...Instead of black eyes and bloody noses you have unfortunate people being placed in body bags...

Just completely insane to tell you the truth...

If I carried a gun I would find it extremely hard to kill anyone when I wouldn't otherwise feel my life were in danger but there would be bus loads of people limping...
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Jester;1026102 wrote: When the hypothetical becomes reality then come ask me. Logic is this, use a gun and take the chance some honest citizen may blow your head off.


I can't agree with that...

When people carry their wallets they lose more money than those who do not by virtue of theft.

How do you steal from a person not carrying any valuables?...
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Jester;1026108 wrote: Ok I'll play.



First question, No.

Second question, I'd call you a liar.

How big are you Snyder? Do you have any military or hadn to hand training, combat or knife figting training, Kung Fu, or any other fighting experience to include street fighting?


You'd see your child die before you'd given up your right to carry a piece of metal

I'm big enough to stand up for what I believe in and big enough to die if my virtue demanded it for the procurement of that I was fighting for. Big enough to not care if someone can kick my ass as long as I were moral in my judgment and big enough to win without question.
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K.Snyder;1026093 wrote: Yeah but what if those frozen fries and ketchup is mean!!!!!!?!?!?!??...



:wah:


Well hell, then we'd eat cake :wah::wah:
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Bruv;1026103 wrote: Taking the arming of smaller beings for their own protection to a conclusion, why doesn't the USA allow smaller countries to obtain Nukes then ?


They do mate, they just know who's enemy and who to let have them.

Great Britain is tiny but we got more US missiles based here than anywhere.

Scotland houses most of the Polaris nucleur missiles for the US>
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Jester;1026113 wrote: Lets see, young man, how about when they rape you ass up and break your teeth out so they can keep thier penises in without being bitten? You think that might take some of your valuable away?


No.

My "valuables" do not consist of my "ass" and my "teeth". They consist of my heart and mind in the eyes of 122 years compared to an eternity.
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Jester;1026116 wrote: Good, that makes you about 5 foot 9 and 150 pounds, with not formal military or other training...

My buddy Porthos is 260 pounds 6 foot 6, with 20 years of specialized training in hand to hand combat. He is unarmed, and hypathetically speaking he is brainwashed with orders to kill you barehanded and make you suffer in the process.

How moral are you willing to be to keep your life?


I don't exactly understand the question to be honest...

If my life were threatened I'd kill whomever were threatening it. If I were killed then I wouldn't be around to be depressed about it.
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RedGlitter;1026096 wrote: Sure, I get your drift, Bruv, but in America that's not practical simply because of the tired but true argument that only the criminals will have guns. This is a natural fact. If my life or wellbeing is in danger I don't want to wait for the cops to show up when I could handle it myself and perhaps save my own life.


That's the point of us not having them, your right.

As it is highly unlikely that any intruder here is likely to be packed, you let them take your t.v.

If you heard an intruder getting in and your in a country where you know that there is every likely-hood the intruder is carrying, too right you'd have one yourself for any such event.
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Jester;1026117 wrote: Where do you live?


Where I live matters ?

Read to your left.........
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Jester;1026119 wrote: Well great! YOU have nothing of value then you can give up your guns. You can hand over your ass and teeth and your wallt to whomever wants it.


The only problem Jester is "value" in this instance is not relative in consideration to the cost of carrying guns.
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We keep a long bloody great lump of wood behind our door and another in the bedroom. We know that if anyone breaks in, there is virtually no chance, they are going to have a gun. They may have a lump of wood to defend they're selves with.

I can only deduce from that, it's because you have them already, that you know have to protect yourselve's from them, leading to more deaths.
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oscar;1026120 wrote: That's the point of us not having them, your right.

As it is highly unlikely that any intruder here is likely to be packed, you let them take your t.v.

If you heard an intruder getting in and your in a country where you know that there is every likely-hood the intruder is carrying, too right you'd have one yourself for any such event.


Well truthfully, I have my doubts. If someone's breaking into my house I'm going to assume he's there to do me harm, be it with a gun, a knife, my fireplace poker, his bare hands, or with intent to rape me. I think this is common sense. It baffles me that anyone would wake up at 2 am and think "Oh! Burglar! Well, he probably just wants the big screen." NO. I do keep reading about a kniving problem in the UK though. Seems like the UK has its own probs to worry about.
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Bruv;1026121 wrote: Where I live matters ?

Read to your left.........


My home town isn't that far from you..... Brighton.
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oscar;1026126 wrote: My home town isn't that far from you..... Brighton.


Nearly neighbours.....and a continent away from the others in this thread....to use an americanism.......gunwise
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RedGlitter;1026125 wrote: Well truthfully, I have my doubts. If someone's breaking into my house I'm going to assume he's there to do me harm, be it with a gun, a knife, my fireplace poker, his bare hands, or with intent to rape me. I think this is common sense. It baffles me that anyone would wake up at 2 am and think "Oh! Burglar! Well, he probably just wants the big screen." NO. I do keep reading about a kniving problem in the UK though. Seems like the UK has its own probs to worry about.


We sure do.. knife crime is at an epidemic... and mostly teenagers which is the horrifying bit.

Could you imagine what the bastards would do if they had guns??

But here, we're talking about mostly gang related knife crime especially with black gangs in London. They all carry them so they carry to protect, same old cycle.

We do have a problem with kids taking them into schools. We got big campaigns going on here to stamp it out and i know it's one of the P.M.'s priority's this election.
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Bruv;1026128 wrote: Nearly neighbours.....and a continent away from the others in this thread....to use an americanism.......gunwise


Well, it's one of the reasons i prefer FG to others. We're all straight talking here and however heated it gets, there is never any real grudges. Like when Jester called me a bloke once :wah:

Some can't take the heat but i enjoy being able to voice my opinion, tell some-one their talking bollocks and get to debate with them another day.

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When discussing guns with Americans I always get the impression I am in a western movie.

The moral high ground to protect what is yours ?.....a cheap imported TV ....against a life.

I was brought up to believe 'Right is might' Americans seem to believe 'Might is right'
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Jester;1026132 wrote: ahh sorry, didnt see that...

Yeah if you got nukes you dont need to have the question answered. And you do thanks to the US. If you dont want them and would like to carry your countries ideology on guns to the national level then just ask your government to send them back to us, we'd save some money.

It's been nice knowing you.


That's not the issue with us housing your nukes Jester. It's all down to size of country and money.

You are more advanced than us in your research and developments for 'Starwars' missile's, based on size of country to us, based on cost. It would bankrupt this country to spend that money on an arms programme. That's not to say that if we did not have allys, we would not do it, of course we would. It would just mean more national debt to Europe. Which is all irrelevant now due to the crash in the West.

The other factor of us housing your nukes, is that when for example Iran threaten or nuke Isreal, we are nearer to them than you are. Based in your country, they simply would not reach the Middle East.

Why do you think Poland for example houses your starwars missiles? Simply because they are pointed at Russia far nearer than you are.

Without sounding too British, you need us to house them for your protection just as much as any one of your allys. Without us, you would not have the long range capacity ti hit the heart of the middle east or intecept a nuke headed towards you from Iran or Russia. think about that one Jester?
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Jester;1026132 wrote: ahh sorry, didnt see that...

Yeah if you got nukes you dont need to have the question answered. And you do thanks to the US. If you dont want them and would like to carry your countries ideology on guns to the national level then just ask your government to send them back to us, we'd save some money.

It's been nice knowing you.


NO NO NO .....dodgey answer Mr Jester......over here a jester is a comedy figure, you would make me laugh if I thought you was not totally serious.

I asked why the USA will not allow certain countries to own Nukes ?

Like its not their right to bear arms ?.....just like the US citizenry
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Excuse me for steering this back to the pizza guy, but if the robbers were running away, then the gun had done its job surely. The next thing would be to ring the cops and tell them that robbers were in the area....I don't get the justification for shooting someone in the back. Unless you see yourself as a self appointed vigilante of course. I can see the argument for having a defensive weapon, and in this instance, as a defensive weapon, it worked perfectly. It scared them off. Pizza guy then IMO made himself judge, jury, and executioner, by firing.




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Jester;1026113 wrote: Lets see, young man, how about when they rape you ass up and break your teeth out so they can keep thier penises in without being bitten? You think that might take some of your valuable away?


Jester,really!!! You do have two ladie's on line hear you know!:(
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Jester;1026127 wrote: ahahahaha oh son, there are far worse thing than dying. You just havent figured it out yet, give it time.

Seeing the sunlight across your childs face in the early morning, those slightly gray blue eyes dazzling before you, a small smile across her face, a giggle, and her rolling over in the autumn leaves as they stick to her curly hair...

Snyder some things are worth protecting to the hilt, and God forbid someday that same pretty little girl who adores you doesn't ever have to cower in a corner in psych facility because she was gang raped by three inner city thugs when you you refused to carry a gun and kill them to protect your child.

Dont be so high and mighty and 'hypathetical' until you've lived long enough to see great pain and suffering.

Yer a kid, you dont know suffering yet, I hope you never do. And pray you'll always get to be the 'head in the clouds, liberal, high and mighty thinking, individual that you are.


Well to be completely honest Jester you've missed every bit of what I've said...

If I were ever at any time in fear of my life or the well being of those I love or find to be more moral in any given life threatening situation I would wish to not only carry a gun but end such a dreaded situation without hesitation using any means necessary...

You'd seemed to have forgotten that everyone is allowed to carry a firearm...Not only did "God forbid someday that same pretty little girl who adores you doesn't ever have to cower in a corner in psych facility because she was gang raped by three inner city thugs" but you're lying dead next to her because you thought you were Heman quick draw McGraw and the crazy flipped out one with pink hair is doing things to your corpse Buffalo Bill would hack his brains out over...

There's your "ahahahaha oh son" and "Dont be so high and mighty and 'hypathetical' until you've lived long enough to see great pain and suffering.

Yer a kid, you dont know suffering yet, I hope you never do. And pray you'll always get to be the 'head in the clouds, liberal, high and mighty thinking, individual that you are." for you all you can handle dude.
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dubs;1026141 wrote: Excuse me for steering this back to the pizza guy, but if the robbers were running away, then the gun had done its job surely. The next thing would be to ring the cops and tell them that robbers were in the area....I don't get the justification for shooting someone in the back. Unless you see yourself as a self appointed vigilante of course. I can see the argument for having a defensive weapon, and in this instance, as a defensive weapon, it worked perfectly. It scared them off. Pizza guy then IMO made himself judge, jury, and executioner, by firing.


I totally agree. Look at all the trouble we had with 'Tony Martin'???:thinking:

What a hell of a storm that caused in our country. Still is, they're still debating it in Westminster.
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Jester;1026142 wrote: .............not a criminal, criminals have no right to life, they forfiet thier life when they steal or commit henious acts.

Criminals are scum to me, innocent life is valuable.


Let me run through that again.......'criminals have no right to life'

So a person that falls on hard times for whatever reason..... and sneaks into your home looking to sustain his own life with a few morsels of food....gets 'blown away' as he is scum ?

Would you be able to differentiate from a madman rapist or a hungry hobo that steps foot over your threshold ?

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Jester;1026154 wrote: I apologize, I was trying to throw a bit of reality into the hypathetical stuff. All these things Ive seen the aftermath of at one time or another.


Jester, i know you've seen things that we can't imagine, just like we can't imagine being on the front line in Basra. Your boy and i had some chats while you we're in Somalia. And through him, i know about your fight against Clinton. I agree.

It's not that scenario all over you know? Different countrie's.... Differnt strokes.
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oscar;1026112 wrote: Well hell, then we'd eat cake :wah::wah:


Yes but frozen fries, ketchup and cake kills you much slower by virtue of heart failure than a quick shot to the head...

I'd rather take my chances with a criminal brandishing a weapon, at least I know all they typically want is money...:wah:
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K.Snyder;1026163 wrote: Yes but frozen fries, ketchup and cake kills you much slower by virtue of heart failure than a quick shot to the head...

I'd rather take my chances with a criminal brandishing a weapon, at least I know all they typically want is money...:wah:


someone mention cake?:wah:
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K.Snyder;1026163 wrote: Yes but frozen fries, ketchup and cake kills you much slower by virtue of heart failure than a quick shot to the head...

I'd rather take my chances with a criminal brandishing a weapon, at least I know all they typically want is money...:wah:


Yep, but we're only the 2nd most obese nation in the West. Guess who's first? :wah::wah::wah:
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An answer on my reply about your nukes being here would be good Jester.
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Jester;1026162 wrote: yeah nice try on the recovery... you wanted to relagate weapons to one of this and one of that when the perps got AK 47's... that means when your trying to rack the next roudn in your old buffalo gun he's emptied his forth clip into your chest while standing over you with a maniacle laugh.
Try and waste someone elses time in thinking criminals would get their hands on more elaborate and expensive weapons like AK-47's when they're illegal...The rest is child's play.

Jester;1026162 wrote:

Snyder when you live through a 1/4 of what I have you can come talk senarios to me boy, until then I'll pass on your hypathetical senarios. Jester don't give me your 1/4 BS you don't impress me.

You pass on my hypothetical scenarios because it contradicts your opinion and you're not man enough to admit you're wrong.

You were saying something about "boy" please continue.
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oscar;1026166 wrote: Yep, but we're only the 2nd most obese nation in the West. Guess who's first? :wah::wah::wah:


Human beings that are closer to me geographically than they are to you?...:wah::wah::wah:
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Jester;1026167 wrote: Yeah, especially when he could come to the door and knock and I'd feed him till he was full.

If anyone pushed thier way into my home then they buy the farm, I'm not giving anyone the chance to explain themselves.


He is proud ....just like you.

To ask.....for food ?

He only wanted a few left over titbits.....and you blew his head off.

All the poetry .....'Seeing the sunlight across your childs face in the early morning, those slightly gray blue eyes dazzling before you, a small smile across her face, a giggle, and her rolling over in the autumn leaves as they stick to her curly hair...'

His child has lost a father.....because you have a gun....and he has his pride
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K.Snyder;1026177 wrote: Human beings that are closer to me geographically than they are to you?...:wah::wah::wah:


Yep:wah::wah: Especially in Florida according to the stats. :(
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Oscar has to go to bed now to get up early. It's the middle of the night here.

I return to fight another day!!

Goodnight America and Kent. :D
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oscar;1026199 wrote: Oscar has to go to bed now to get up early. It's the middle of the night here.

I return to fight another day!!

Goodnight America and Kent. :D


Goodnight Oscar Woscar...:yh_bigsmi...
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Night night sleep tight Oscar....(Oscar is a blokes name)
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Bruv;1026157 wrote: Let me run through that again.......'criminals have no right to life'

So a person that falls on hard times for whatever reason..... and sneaks into your home looking to sustain his own life with a few morsels of food....gets 'blown away' as he is scum ?




Yes.

Jester;1026167 wrote: Yeah, especially when he could come to the door and knock and I'd feed him till he was full.




Yes.
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