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spot;1006396 wrote: If I had to draw up a shortlist of attributes I'd like to see in a prospective President, they'd be the absolute reverse of every one of those! Quiet, visionary, considerate and compromising would suit me fine thank you.


She was vocal, she didn't yell. Quiet would have gotten her slammed in the debate...it would have her made to look weak. I'm not sure why being down to earth is a bad thing. I believe she is very visionary and has been, she's accomplished a lot in Alaska in just two years. She is strong in her ideas and beliefs and is not afraid to say it, even if it's not very popular. I want strong leaders in my country. I also believe she was very considerate during the debate, and according to so many that she knows in Alaska, that's the way she always is. She has even talked about having to compromise on things she really didn't want to but saw it as best. I also don't want a leader of my country to back down when someone is bashing, like Biden tried to do, or attacking this great nation. She has the full package. IMHO.

Accountable;999068 wrote: Punish the shareholders in this case for what, exactly? No laws were broken.

eta: Keep in mind that the shareholders include anyone with a mutual fund or retirement account.


Not over here they don't, they've been de-mutualised and are wholly owned by the shareholder with the account holders in the position of customers whose deposits have been protected.

As Spot says, the shareholders are ultimately accountable for the actions of the board and, therefore, the success or failure of the company.

spot;1006396 wrote: If I had to draw up a shortlist of attributes I'd like to see in a prospective President, they'd be the absolute reverse of every one of those! Quiet, visionary, considerate and compromising would suit me fine thank you.Viva la difference!



Good luck on your British presidential election.

Bryn Mawr;1006451 wrote: Not over here they don't, they've been de-mutualised and are wholly owned by the shareholder with the account holders in the position of customers whose deposits have been protected.It doesn't matter in this case how the UK market operates.

Well, I did not feel Palin did well. Too many SOCKER moms, i thought. The middle class stuff. if she is middle class. they don't pay much. Plus doesn't the governor live in a mansion? I know she doesn't own it. BUT To tell you the truth. IF Biden was running for Pres. Instead of Ali-Obama. i would differently give him my vote,;)

southern yankee;1006741 wrote: Well, I did not feel Palin did well. Too many SOCKER moms, i thought. The middle class stuff. if she is middle class. they don't pay much. Plus doesn't the governor live in a mansion? I know she doesn't own it. BUT To tell you the truth. IF Biden was running for Pres. Instead of Ali-Obama. i would differently give him my vote,;)


Biden was good -- i have to give him that.

Ali-Obama?? Dear God, in this country you would be cautioned by The British Police for racist remarks.

spot;1006379 wrote: For anyone in the UK who'd like to watch (it's an hour and a half long) it's available now at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7649832.stm

I'm not sure whether that will play for anyone outside of the UK, I doubt it.

There's a full transcript on the New York Times at http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/presi ... ebate.html and a video there as well.


Thanks Spot, as ever

Your a Star.

oscar;1006756 wrote: Biden was good -- i have to give him that.

Ali-Obama?? Dear God, in this country you would be cautioned by The British Police for racist remarks. that is why i like it here. you can say what you want. THANK GOD:)

southern yankee;1007132 wrote: that is why i like it here. you can say what you want. THANK GOD:)


I'm right with you on that one.

We can' even say "Brainstorming meetings" now incase they offend epileptics.

Now we have to call them "Thought showers". Yep, only in our loony country.

Only problem is, i have a fear of rain. So that offends me. :wah::wah:

oscar;1007151 wrote: I'm right with you on that one.

We can' even say "Brainstorming meetings" now incase they offend epileptics.

Now we have to call them "Thought showers". Yep, only in our loony country.

Only problem is, i have a fear of rain. So that offends me. :wah::wah: you know i always thought that the UK had about the same freedoms as the US does.but here i guess a political figure is fair game.:wah:

southern yankee;1007172 wrote: you know i always thought that the UK had about the same freedoms as the US does.but here i guess a political figure is fair game.:wah:


You should ask oscar if anyone's ever been cautioned or prosecuted for using "brainstorming". She has a definition of "can't" which she's not told you about.

spot;1007359 wrote: You should ask oscar if anyone's ever been cautioned or prosecuted for using "brainstorming". She has a definition of "can't" which she's not told you about.


I think they have Spot!!!

Another new thread posibly Spot. Shall i come clean?

oscar;1007382 wrote: I think they have Spot!!!


Easiest thing in the world to prove me wrong. I say they haven't. It was a rather brainless notion of one congenitally constipated council official to circulate an internal memo of preferred clichés to use on official council business. It's a strange use of "can't" when addressing an international audience.

oscar;1007382 wrote: Another new thread posibly Spot. Shall i come clean?Lord no, the mob will tear you limb from limb. Think Salman Rushdie.

spot;1007392 wrote: Lord no, the mob will tear you limb from limb. Think Salman Rushdie.


Not if it's written by a certain lawyer's friend "Luke Salkard" of "The Daily Mail" :wah:

I trust your call in this one,

spot;1007390 wrote: Easiest thing in the world to prove me wrong. I say they haven't. It was a rather brainless notion of one congenitally constipated council official to circulate an internal memo of preferred clichés to use on official council business. It's a strange use of "can't" when addressing an international audience.


It was "Tunbridge Wells, Sorry that should be "Royal Tunbridge Wells", East Sussex i will be in trouble with their council, that wasted £thousands sending staff on re-training to bring that one in.

oscar;1007399 wrote: It was "Tunbridge Wells, Sorry that should be "Royal Tunbridge Wells", East Sussex i will be in trouble with their council, that wasted £thousands sending staff on re-training to bring that one in.


It was an internal matter for a council then, not a matter of compulsion by law. What's more I'm quite certain that it formed a trivial aspect of a far wider re-training scheme and was picked up by some shoddy gutter journalist as an instance of freakery. You can't possibly be saying that the whole purpose of this staff re-training scheme related to newspeak thought crime avoidance.

eta: I went and checked. It was initially the Sun and then the Telegraph's story, we can use their report perhaps? What they claim is that the council said, on having the story sprung at them, "We take diversity awareness very seriously. The majority of staff have taken part in training and been asked to use the term thought showers". I bet that was a very junior idiot at the council PR department who picked up the phone.

http://www.epilepsynse.org.uk/pages/wha ... cfm?id=271 forms the factual background to the ideological folly of the suggestion.

http://www.tunbridgewells.gov.uk/sectio ... docid=5786 is the closest you'll get to the truth, I imagine. Their response on the day the story broke wasThis story has been wildly exaggerated. We haven't put a policy in place that prevents the use of the term brainstorming nor have we issued any instruction that suggests staff should not use it. We believe the comment came from a training session on diversity and equality issues and when this was raised as an issue it was suggested that 'thought shower' may be better words to use. We have since learnt that this is not in fact the case and that the national body that represents those with epilepsy have clarified this and we will be sure that this will be communicated from now on.Two days later this was followed up, after the council saw how far the story had spread and after checking with the staff directly concerned, withTunbridge Wells Borough Council has not banned the word brainstorming. We are unsure as to where the story started but we can say, very definitely, that there are no reports, memos or instructions that have banned the use of the word.Like I said, shoddy gutter journalism. I note that the council's statement is exactly the same as my comment in http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... stcount=63. One congenitally constipated council official raised as an issue, at a training session on diversity and equality issues, the suggestion to circulate an internal memo of a preferred cliché to use on official council business when referring to brainstorm sessions and eventually got told not to be so stupid.

It's simply misleading to try to get Americans to think that "we can't even say 'Brainstorming meetings' now in case they offend epileptics" and leave them with the impression that you're informing them about freedom of speech in the UK.

spot;1007416 wrote: It was an internal matter for a council then, not a matter of compulsion by law. What's more I'm quite certain that it formed a trivial aspect of a far wider re-training scheme and was picked up by some shoddy gutter journalist as an instance of freakery. You can't possibly be saying that the whole purpose of this staff re-training scheme related to newspeak thought crime avoidance.

eta: I went and checked. It was initially the Sun and then the Telegraph's story, we can use their report perhaps? What they claim is that the council said, on having the story sprung at them, "We take diversity awareness very seriously. The majority of staff have taken part in training and been asked to use the term thought showers". I bet that was a very junior idiot at the council PR department who picked up the phone.

http://www.epilepsynse.org.uk/pages/wha ... cfm?id=271 forms the factual background to the ideological folly of the suggestion.

http://www.tunbridgewells.gov.uk/sectio ... docid=5786 is the closest you'll get to the truth, I imagine. Their response on the day the story broke wasThis story has been wildly exaggerated. We haven't put a policy in place that prevents the use of the term brainstorming nor have we issued any instruction that suggests staff should not use it. We believe the comment came from a training session on diversity and equality issues and when this was raised as an issue it was suggested that 'thought shower' may be better words to use. We have since learnt that this is not in fact the case and that the national body that represents those with epilepsy have clarified this and we will be sure that this will be communicated from now on.Two days later this was followed up, after the council saw how far the story had spread and after checking with the staff directly concerned, withTunbridge Wells Borough Council has not banned the word brainstorming. We are unsure as to where the story started but we can say, very definitely, that there are no reports, memos or instructions that have banned the use of the word.Like I said, shoddy gutter journalism. I note that the council's statement is exactly the same as my comment in http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... stcount=63. One congenitally constipated council official raised as an issue, at a training session on diversity and equality issues, the suggestion to circulate an internal memo of a preferred cliché to use on official council business when referring to brainstorm sessions and eventually got told not to be so stupid.

It's simply misleading to try to get Americans to think that "we can't even say 'Brainstorming meetings' now in case they offend epileptics" and leave them with the impression that you're informing them about freedom of speech in the UK.


Sorry Spot, my post was more in line of scarcasm at our jobsworth councils and noooo labour than freedom of speech.

I do know that before i resigned, a certain local council here thought it was a jolly good idea and we should give it serious contemplation.

The article stated that staff had been sent on a day's training session to form the alternative word.

As you said, gutter journalism. I do remember the Society of epilepsy saying at the time that they were not in the least offended and the whole thing was ridiculous.

I actually resigned due to a debate on Obama and McCain. You would think they had better to do than squabble about that in local council when we can't get our bins emptied.

Excellent post Spot

Accountable;1006497 wrote: It doesn't matter in this case how the UK market operates.


The point that was being discussed at the time (#31) was the British solution and the punishment or otherwise of the shareholders.

In this case, it does matter how the UK market operates.

And here I thought you were all discussing who won the debate last night in the US vice prez debates. Duh!

Bryn Mawr;1007585 wrote: The point that was being discussed at the time (#31) was the British solution and the punishment or otherwise of the shareholders.



In this case, it does matter how the UK market operates.Yup, sorry. The conversation was spread out pretty far & I'd lost it.

Accountable;1007765 wrote: Yup, sorry. The conversation was spread out pretty far & I'd lost it.


:wah: I loose it far too often, now, what were we discussing? :-6