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Lulu2;530145 wrote: Which group, BR? I've got some Cherokee or Creek.
Blackfoot on my Mom's side and Cherokee on my Dad's.

It's good to know that...you can at least learn some of the culture....help keep it in memory.

cinamin;529142 wrote: I am white.I was seeing a black guy. I'll never ever get involved with one ever again. I never ever called him a nigger.But now I am wondering. Maybe I should have thought of him as this, and I would have not gotten so hurt. From now on, I'll stick to my own kind.






:-5 Think it through !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

koan;529463 wrote: I'm a muppet


i love muppets. i'm form a long line of Fraggles.

mrsK;529362 wrote: I am white,easy to tan.Used to have black hair,that left a few years ago.:-6


that's cuz it's red now, ain't it???:o

Apologies. I get easily riled up concerning racism.

I'm not black or white.

I'm a dork.

That's how strongly I allow it to affect me. As soon as I see the word nigger I just tunnelvision on that alone.

Thank you MF and Di. You've given me further insight.

Yes.The world needs to be colorblind..

That's what I meant by is this necessary.

I see no color. Only good or arsehole.

Where's Shrek?

Shrek?

shrike?

:D

See this thread has remained kinda, kinda civil, thank god! Well I am Irish, so thats self explanatory. I have to say I have never had an issue with people's race, because for a start it doesn't mean anything in terms of individuals outside of what you want it to mean yourself. I take people as I find, and I determine what I think about them based on their actions as individuals, not on their hair or skin colour. Human beings are all exactly the same, the differences are cosmetic, and the other differences are cultural or environmental, thats science folks, not political correctness. Of course race will always be an issue because anything that provides people with a sense of identity and differentiation from one another will be an issue, for good or ill, people of consciouses and some level of intelligence should be able to deal with it in a adult manner though. So generally I like all the people, be good to each other people cause all we have is each other, except the green ones, watch out for them, I am not so sure about them ones.

This is troubling me a little: it seems to me that we have gotten so far with the political correctness that in order to avoid being mistaken for promoting "racism" that we no longer celebrate our diversity. Why do we have to pretend we all come from only one culture? There's the human culture of course, but I mean certain undeniable factors thay come to play in each ethnic embrace. I guess in other words I feel almost like we're denying parts of ourselves by saying "we're all one" and "we're all the same" - in many ways we are but in other ways we are different and it's a good thing. I have a Jewish friend who is teaching me the culture she was raised in. I am learning all kinds of fascinating things about hewish culture. I live among American Indians, have grown up among them. I used to be able to ask when I was a kid, why and how they did certain things. I learned a lot. I gained a respect for them in learning some of their ways. My Mexican friends have taught me things as well. But anymore it seems like I am supposed to just see a person with no obvious cultural identity. To me this is a waste. A waste of the potential to learn part of makes people tick. Am I talking out of my hat again or does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?

RedGlitter;532057 wrote: This is troubling me a little: it seems to me that we have gotten so far with the political correctness that in order to avoid being mistaken for promoting "racism" that we no longer celebrate our diversity. Why do we have to pretend we all come from only one culture? There's the human culture of course, but I mean certain undeniable factors thay come to play in each ethnic embrace. I guess in other words I feel almost like we're denying parts of ourselves by saying "we're all one" and "we're all the same" - in many ways we are but in other ways we are different and it's a good thing. I have a Jewish friend who is teaching me the culture she was raised in. I am learning all kinds of fascinating things about hewish culture. I live among American Indians, have grown up among them. I used to be able to ask when I was a kid, why and how they did certain things. I learned a lot. I gained a respect for them in learning some of their ways. My Mexican friends have taught me things as well. But anymore it seems like I am supposed to just see a person with no obvious cultural identity. To me this is a waste. A waste of the potential to learn part of makes people tick. Am I talking out of my hat again or does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?


I don't think thats the case Red, I am a white European, and quite happy to be so, but I also appreciate and am interested in other cultures, without wanting to be part of them. You have a different perspective on this in the states, and what people in the states think to be different cultures we over here all see as part of the same American one (except the Native American one, which is different). My point is that as human beings, regardless of sex or race or height, or ability to make lots of money, we are biologically all the same and that are differences are essentially cultural, which is to say that yes cultures are different, and I am not a spokesperson for any other culture than my own. But certain people have always tried to claim that people from different races were more violent, stupid, basically inferior to others, thats the nasty side to all of this. I don't like PC gone mad either, in fact I hate it, but there is a reason why it happened in the first place, just like there was a good reason why women had to fight for the right to be recognized as equals with their men.

Galbally;532064 wrote: I don't think thats the case Red, I am a white European, and quite happy to be so, but I also appreciate and am interested in other cultures, without wanting to be part of them. You have a different perspective on this in the states, and what people in the states think to be different cultures we over here all see as part of the same American one (except the Native American one, which is different).


You know Galbally, that's something I had never really considered before! That makes sense. Thanks for giving me that insight!

almostfamous;532230 wrote: You know, that really makes more sense than you know. I don't know a lot about your country but when I think of other countries in general, I think culture, I don't think race. When I think Africa, I think of black and white. I met a missionary once whose family tree was deeply rooted in African soil but he was more pale than myself (i.e. white/African). All I saw though? Was his culture and his pride for his country. His eloquent speaking was rich with his native accent. What I'm gettin at, is maybe you should be a spokesperson Galbally lol. Nah, but seriously, this is an issue here in the U.S.


I think to be fair almostfamous that race is a live issue in all countries, even Ireland, but yes there is a specific American race issue as well that is particular to your own country. Generally it seems a very, very delicate topic in the states, and I guess you understand it better than I do, it is interesting.

cinamin;529209 wrote: Every black man that I've known is a cheater, alocholic, drug addict or all of the above and then some.


Does anyone else find this comment astounding and very disturbing? :-1

The governor of my state of Massachusetts is black, and I'm pretty sure he is none of the above.

Easy Cher.

The man, after all, IS a poilitician.

cherandbuster;532272 wrote: Does anyone else find this comment astounding and very disturbing? :-1



The governor of my state of Massachusetts is black, and I'm pretty sure he is none of the above.
Could we let people have their opinions without making issues about it when we disagree.? They are after all personal opinions.

Yes, you MUST go to Africa and India one day! If you like, I'll help you plan some destinations!

The people there are some of the most beautiful I've ever seen! In Africa, because of tribal identities, people who are neighbors can look very different and very distinctive.

You'll be chatting with someone and they'll say...."Oh, here comes a Luo woman." If you ask how he knows, you'll hear "Well, EVERYONE knows a Luo (or a Nandi or a Samburu, etc,) by the way they look."

Fascinating!

RedGlitter;532351 wrote: Could we let people have their opinions without making issues about it when we disagree.? They are after all personal opinions.


Yes they are

But some are so obviously bigoted that I find them offensive.

And that's just me stating *my* opinion. In a discussion group, where we are encouraged to discuss things.

I'm polar bear white, alaskan all the way. I hate heat and humidity duh!

As for my nationality I am Scotch, Irish, French and ? on mothers side, and Welsh and Canadian Indian on my fathers. For my children I have added German and Japanese to the mix. True all american heinz 57's.:wah:

cherandbuster;533219 wrote: Yes they are



But some are so obviously bigoted that I find them offensive.



And that's just me stating *my* opinion. In a discussion group, where we are encouraged to discuss things.


I guess that makes two of us because your remark offended me.

Cher, as one of the LEAST "offensive" people I've ever seen on a message board...I'll certainly defend your right to feel uncomfortable by a remark such as the one you quoted.

People certainly have every right to express an opinion....and if that opinion offends you, Cher, you've a right to say so!

(By the way...have I told you lately that I enjoy you and your posts?):-4

RedGlitter;533324 wrote: I guess that makes two of us because your remark offended me.


Red Glitter

You never cease to surprise me with your comments

But we can certainly live in peace here in the Garden

And I encourage you to ignore me if you find me offensive

'Cause I ain't going nowhere :guitarist

Lulu2;533468 wrote: Cher, as one of the LEAST "offensive" people I've ever seen on a message board...I'll certainly defend your right to feel uncomfortable by a remark such as the one you quoted.

People certainly have every right to express an opinion....and if that opinion offends you, Cher, you've a right to say so!

(By the way...have I told you lately that I enjoy you and your posts?):-4


Lulu2 :-6

I always appreciate your love and loyalty to your friends

and I'm proud to be in that bunch :-4

I agree with you cher. That person is an obvious bigot and I am offended as well. Its a generalization and those always show ignorance.

cherandbuster;533691 wrote: Red Glitter

You never cease to surprise me with your comments

But we can certainly live in peace here in the Garden

And I encourage you to ignore me if you find me offensive

'Cause I ain't going nowhere :guitarist


Cher.......

This is not an argument. I didn't like what you said because it seemed inciteful of yet another pile-on. Plus I get tired of people picking on that individual (and a few others) for her feelings. She obviously had bad experiences with people of color and will need to work it out in her own time. Labelling someone a bigot, an ugly, ugly word, is certainly no better than being one. While my comments never cease to surprise you, yours are quite predictable and like you, I will be sticking around. You can say whatever you desire as can anyone else. And that goes for Cinamon as well. I will always defend her right to say her piece as I would defend yours. As for ignoring remarks/people we find offensive, I suggest applying that to Cinamon's post as well.

RedGlitter;533709 wrote: Cher.......

This is not an argument. I didn't like what you said because it seemed inciteful of yet another pile-on. Plus I get tired of people picking on that individual (and a few others) for her feelings. She obviously had bad experiences with people of color and will need to work it out in her own time. Labelling someone a bigot, an ugly, ugly word, is certainly no better than being one. While my comments never cease to surprise you, yours are quite predictable and like you, I will be sticking around. You can say whatever you desire as can anyone else. And that goes for Cinamon as well. I will always defend her right to say her piece as I would defend yours. As for ignoring remarks/people we find offensive, I suggest applying that to Cinamon's post as well.


RG

I'm confused as to why my comment to Cinamin was inappropriate. If someone said to you, "All animals are ignorant and foul and should not be allowed in people's homes", would you respond in kind? AND . . . would you defend that person's right to state that?

Somehow I doubt that.

I certainly would defend their right to say it, as ignorant as I felt that opinion would be. And I would say it was wrong, and people would jump on me for "judging" someone else. The reason your post offended me, Cher, is because it seemed like yet another "let's jump on [Cinamin] again because she's a bigot!" type of comment. It seemed antagonistic. That's why I replied as I did.

RedGlitter;533942 wrote: I certainly would defend their right to say it, as ignorant as I felt that opinion would be. And I would say it was wrong, and people would jump on me for "judging" someone else. The reason your post offended me, Cher, is because it seemed like yet another "let's jump on [Cinamin] again because she's a bigot!" type of comment. It seemed antagonistic. That's why I replied as I did.


Thank you for explaining your views

Cinamin is lucky to have you in her corner

We can agree to disagree about my post, though, which I still stand behind :-6

That would be fine, Cher. I have been known to agree to disagree many times and often it's the best we can hope for in a situation. :-6

cherandbuster;532272 wrote: Does anyone else find this comment astounding and very disturbing? :-1

The governor of my state of Massachusetts is black, and I'm pretty sure he is none of the above.


How do you know that?

I didn't know this guy was all of the above either. He even had a bible study class 4 days a week. He called himself a "Christian".

cherandbuster;533946 wrote: Thank you for explaining your views

Cinamin is lucky to have you in her corner

We can agree to disagree about my post, though, which I still stand behind :-6


Let me just say this, because I don't have much time to reply now.

If I had been a bigot or a racist would I have loved a black man? I still love him.

cinamin;529142 wrote: I am white.I was seeing a black guy. I'll never ever get involved with one ever again. I never ever called him a nigger.But now I am wondering. Maybe I should have thought of him as this, and I would have not gotten so hurt. From now on, I'll stick to my own kind.


cinamin;529164 wrote: Yeah, and they wonder why they have reputations for being "womanizers". He is a typical example. One of those who brags to others that he doesn't have to work, and could be taken care of. Well, not this chick.


cinamin;529209 wrote: Yep, well this arse was a black one. Not that at one time I didn't love him, I did. So I cannot say that I am racist. Or I would not have gotten close to him. But he has proved to me some things that I didn't want to believe about him, that I believe, came about due to his background. He was just really good at covering it all up and appearing as not one of those kind that we would call "nigger". I never called him that. And as far as I am concerned, he has made me think of him as that way now. And it isn't my fault it is his fault.

He takes advantage of women and is abusive. Every black man that I've known is a cheater, alocholic, drug addict or all of the above and then some. And I found that he is all of those and then some. A leopard does not lose its spots. And he is 54, he'll never change. He likes the way he is. It is what has worked for him. And I don't feel sorry for any woman who he takes advantage of now.

I was too good for him. And I left finally. But he has others who he can take advantage of now. So he won't miss me.


None of those sound like blanketed, bigotted generalizations. None at all.

I just have two questions: If every "black man" you dated did these things, and you seem to believe that its "due to their background" (and Im assuming you mean background as in the color of their skin by what yp posted) why did you continue to date them (black men)? Maybe you should have dated a better "class" of people instead of a different "race"?

DesignerGal;534087 wrote: None of those sound like blanketed, bigotted generalizations. None at all.

I just have two questions: If every "black man" you dated did these things, and you seem to believe that its "due to their background" (and Im assuming you mean background as in the color of their skin by what yp posted) why did you continue to date them (black men)? "?


I meant from his background, as in the way he was raised. What the F U C K does it have to do with skin color? Nothing!

Maybe you should have dated a better "class" of people instead of a different "race.
I intend to do that from now on. And I didn't "date" him. I lived with him! And I loved him.

I am so sick and tired of being called out for idiots thinking that I am "bigot" or "racist" when I am not.

So S C R E W YOU! I have far more difficult things to think about, than the names and labels that people want to call me.

Screw this, I am leaving. Good bye.

Wow. Someone pi$$ in your Fruit Loops this morning?

cinamin;534093 wrote: So S C R E W YOU!


Sorry, no thanks. I am trying to get pregnant and you dont have the proper equipment to help me out there. But I do appreciate the offer.

Well I'm just a mutt and only know half my pedigree. I'm Irish/German, with a sprinkle of Native American. All this from my bio-mother. Have no clue what my bio-father added to the mix.

I'm a muppet.

We come in all kinds of colours.

Have I mentioned that I'm a muppet?

Ohh your kin to Animal huh! He was always my favorite muppet.

I think spot is either Statler or Waldorf.

I'm a Snowth

" Mahna Mahna"