How To Get To Heaven When You Die

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:13 pm

Raphael;1527936 wrote: Please do not be so nasty about extremist groups like the US .

They have to undergo huge deprivations in their kind attempt to police the planet .

Yes, I suppose you are right. It's the proverbial "dirty job" that someone simply must do and it's only the U.S. or Aggie Mackenzie who are capable.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:30 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Christians believe what the Bible says.
It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: You are angry with Christians for actually believing God that those who reject Christ will go to hell.
I am angry with no one. I simply ridicule bigotry.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Christians do NOT believe in 3 Gods, we believe in 1 God, but 3 personalities because the Bible says it all throughout.
Christians believe in three gods and it has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction throughout.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Christians believe that you cannot commune with God without the Son,
Exactly, a religion of labyrinthnium hocus-pocus. Some religions believe in god, not superstitious chicanery of, “He is one! Now he's three! Now he's one again! Now he's three!

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: being born again, yes because the Bible says so and we actually believe God.
It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: So you are again angry with Christians for believing God.
So again I remind you that I am angry with no one. I ridicule polytheist bigotry.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: No, Christians aren't intolerant, angry and hateful,
Christianity is fundamentally intolerant, angry and hateful of all believers of every other religion.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: people like you are.
I am angry with no one.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: What it comes down to is that you hate them for believing God.
I hate no one. I ridicule selective ignorance, superstition and bigotry.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: You are going in the way of Cain who hated and killed his brother for believing God.
I don't hate my brother. I love him. The fact that he is a Mormon convert does not affect my love for him in the slightest. I understand that he (just like you) is afraid of dying. You see, I am not only undeniably tolerant but I am also sympathetic to his and your fear of dying.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: All Cain had to do is obey God, but he refused to do so.
The bible has been proven to be a work of fiction.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Christians do not blaspheme the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
Christians deny the true messiah who has yet to come, according to Judaism. It is Judaism that defines the messiah. The Christians have defiled god's covenant with his people. That is blaspheme in the highest order.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: I can show you in the Jewish Torah/OT where it describes Jesus Christ to a tee and that He is the Messiah ¦
No, you cannot. You are speaking rubbish.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: ... that He would be killed, ect. It's undeniable.
Everyone must die. It is undeniable. You may quote me. Am I now your messiah?

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: By the way of the two of us, I am the tolerant one.
I am the tolerant one. It is undeniable.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: I have don't nothing to you except tell you what Christians believe ¦
I had a parrot once. It too could recite only one thing but it didn't understand what the words really meant. I gave the bird to a christian who was overjoyed at the prospect of a meaningful dilogue.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: ¦ because that is what the Bible says.
It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Too bad if you don't like it.
“Like? I am the tolerannt one. It is undeniable.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: You are the hateful one for denying Christians the right to believe as they will.
I think you'll find that I have never said anything of the sort. I am the tolerant one. It is undeniable.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: They aren't bothering you, don't bother them.
Perhaps you ought to refresh your memory and trace this dialogue back to its' beginning. Pay close attention to who (or what) it is that is “bothering who (or what). I believe that if there is a god and if there is a heaven (I say “if) then EVERYONE will have an opportunity of entering its' gates. This, in fact, is very similar to Judaism. Christians, on the other, hand are telling me that I can only come to this hypothetical heaven if I join the hypocrisy of a faith that believes in superstition and hocus pocus.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:58 pm

High Threshold;1527958 wrote: It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction.

I am angry with no one. I simply ridicule bigotry.

Christians believe in three gods and it has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction throughout.

Exactly, a religion of labyrinthnium hocus-pocus. Some religions believe in god, not superstitious chicanery of, “He is one! Now he's three! Now he's one again! Now he's three!

It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction.

So again I remind you that I am angry with no one. I ridicule polytheist bigotry.

Christianity is fundamentally intolerant, angry and hateful of all believers of every other religion.

I am angry with no one.

I hate no one. I ridicule selective ignorance, superstition and bigotry.

I don't hate my brother. I love him. The fact that he is a Mormon convert does not affect my love for him in the slightest. I understand that he (just like you) is afraid of dying. You see, I am not only undeniably tolerant but I am also sympathetic to his and your fear of dying.

The bible has been proven to be a work of fiction.

Christians deny the true messiah who has yet to come, according to Judaism. It is Judaism that defines the messiah. The Christians have defiled god's covenant with his people. That is blaspheme in the highest order.

No, you cannot. You are speaking rubbish.

Everyone must die. It is undeniable. You may quote me. Am I now your messiah?

I am the tolerant one. It is undeniable.

I had a parrot once. It too could recite only one thing but it didn't understand what the words really meant. I gave the bird to a christian who was overjoyed at the prospect of a meaningful dilogue.

It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction.

“Like? I am the tolerannt one. It is undeniable.

I think you'll find that I have never said anything of the sort. I am the tolerant one. It is undeniable.

Perhaps you ought to refresh your memory and trace this dialogue back to its' beginning. Pay close attention to who (or what) it is that is “bothering who (or what). I believe that if there is a god and if there is a heaven (I say “if) then EVERYONE will have an opportunity of entering its' gates. This, in fact, is very similar to Judaism. Christians, on the other, hand are telling me that I can only come to this hypothetical heaven if I join the hypocrisy of a faith that believes in superstition and hocus pocus.

FALSE. It has been proven that the Bible is God's Word.

If you want to ridicule bigotry, look no further than your own.

FALSE again. Christians do NOT believe in 3 Gods. No Christian who knows the Bible would ever say that. Again, the Bible has been proven to be God's Word.

God is three in one as revealed in His Word. It's not easy to understand, but I take it by Faith. I trust God and believe His Word.

Again I remind you that if you want to ridicule bigotry you need to look no further than your bigotry toward Christians.

Atheists and Agnostics are fundamentally intolerant, angry and hateful of all believers of every other religion.

You don't hate your brother in your family, but you hate Christian people who disagree with you.

The Bible has been proven to be a Work of God.

AGAIN: You are wrong. Christians believe in the Messiah as the Torah/Old Testament. It is the Jews who don't. I can show you Lots of verses in the OT of Jesus Christ, but you don't seem interested in finding the truth.

It has been proven that the bible is the Word of God. I am the tolerant one. You are the intolerant one.

Question: Should Christians have the right to believe as they want? Or should they be forced to agree with you?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:31 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: FALSE. It has been proven that the Bible is God's Word.
It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction. God did not write the bible. The bible is FALSE.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: If you want to ridicule bigotry, look no further than your own.
That makes no sense at all.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: FALSE again. Christians do NOT believe in 3 Gods. No Christian who knows the Bible would ever say that.
Christians believe in three gods.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Again, the Bible has been proven to be God's Word.
It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction and proven that god did not write the bible.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: God is three in one as revealed in His Word.
Christians believe in three polytheistic gods.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: It's not easy to understand, but I take it by Faith.
It's not easy to believe that pigs can fly when no witnesses are present but you can take that by Faith too.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: I trust God and believe His Word.
Can you quote him?

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Again I remind you that if you want to ridicule bigotry you need to look no further than your bigotry toward Christians.
I suspect very strongly that you do not understand the definition of the word “bigotry.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Atheists and Agnostics are fundamentally intolerant, angry and hateful of all believers of every other religion.
First of all, it is ABUNDANTLY OBVIOUS that you do not know the difference between “atheist and “agnostic. I suggest that you consult a good dictionary.

Secondly, “intolerance, anger and hate are all emotions that you are displaying here on this thread. But of course they are inherent in christianity. It is an important part of Christian indoctrination.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: You don't hate your brother in your family, but you hate Christian people who disagree with you.
You can find and quote me saying such things, is that right?

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: The Bible has been proven to be a Work of God.
It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: AGAIN: You are wrong. Christians believe in the Messiah as the Torah/Old Testament. It is the Jews who don't.
So, you think the johnny-come-lately christians are the real Jews? LOL!!!!!!! Pay attention now: The Jews wrote and defined the messiah l-o-n-g before Jesus was born. Do you understand the significence of that? Yes? Or no?

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: I can show you Lots of verses in the OT of Jesus Christ,
No, you cannot.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: ¦ but you don't seem interested in finding the truth.
It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction ¦ not truth.

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: Question: Should Christians have the right to believe as they want? Or should they be forced to agree with you?
Answer: What have I told you so far?

Question: Who is asserting that one religion must be followed in order to come to heaven? Mine? Or yours?

xfrodobagginsx;1527950 wrote: It has been proven that the bible is the Word of God. I am the tolerant one. You are the intolerant one.

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xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:06 pm

High Threshold;1527962 wrote: It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction. God did not write the bible. The bible is FALSE.

That makes no sense at all.

Christians believe in three gods.

It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction and proven that god did not write the bible.

Christians believe in three polytheistic gods.

It's not easy to believe that pigs can fly when no witnesses are present but you can take that by Faith too.

Can you quote him?

I suspect very strongly that you do not understand the definition of the word “bigotry.

First of all, it is ABUNDANTLY OBVIOUS that you do not know the difference between “atheist and “agnostic. I suggest that you consult a good dictionary.

Secondly, “intolerance, anger and hate are all emotions that you are displaying here on this thread. But of course they are inherent in christianity. It is an important part of Christian indoctrination.

You can find and quote me saying such things, is that right?

It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction.

So, you think the johnny-come-lately christians are the real Jews? LOL!!!!!!! Pay attention now: The Jews wrote and defined the messiah l-o-n-g before Jesus was born. Do you understand the significence of that? Yes? Or no?

No, you cannot.

It has been proven that the bible is a work of fiction ¦ not truth.

Answer: What have I told you so far?

Question: Who is asserting that one religion must be followed in order to come to heaven? Mine? Or yours?

You are demonstrating that you have no interest in an honest conversation, only false allegations, accusing Christians of being what you in fact are, a hateful, angry, bigoted person. I know the difference between atheist and agnostic. Atheists don't believe in God. Agnostics don't know either way if there is one or not. It's become obvious that you want to argue rather than discuss and look for the truth. Everything that you believe about Christians is completely false. You don't know what you are talking about. You are completely ignorant and it shows that you like it that way.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:18 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1528031 wrote: You are demonstrating that you have no interest in an honest conversation, only false allegations, accusing Christians of being what you in fact are, a hateful, angry, bigoted person. I know the difference between atheist and agnostic. Atheists don't believe in God. Agnostics don't know either way if there is one or not. It's become obvious that you want to argue rather than discuss and look for the truth. Everything that you believe about Christians is completely false. You don't know what you are talking about. You are completely ignorant and it shows that you like it that way.
There is no reason to make personal attacks. Doing so proves that it is you who do not know what you are talking about either through ignorance or a need for confrontation ..... what christians like to think of as "being a martyr" (without getting their knees dirty) or Münchhausen victims facing the lions.

Christianity is a superstition (filled with hocus pocus) and a break-away cult from Judaism, perpetrated by Jews whose faith in god has wained and so concocted a blasphemous, fake deliverer rather than wait for god's promised messiah to arrive. They are afraid of dying (proof of their lack of faith in god) and have drawn up a phoney account (by amending the bible) supporting the fake messiah. Those who have been duped into believing such nonsense do find solace in the christian church and for that reason alone it does serve a profitable purpose for those with a lack of faith in god.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:08 pm

High Threshold;1528033 wrote: There is no reason to make personal attacks. Doing so proves that it is you who do not know what you are talking about either through ignorance or a need for confrontation ..... what christians like to think of as "being a martyr" (without getting their knees dirty) or Münchhausen victims facing the lions.

Christianity is a superstition (filled with hocus pocus) and a break-away cult from Judaism, perpetrated by Jews whose faith in god has wained and so concocted a blasphemous, fake deliverer rather than wait for god's promised messiah to arrive. They are afraid of dying (proof of their lack of faith in god) and have drawn up a phoney account (by amending the bible) supporting the fake messiah. Those who have been duped into believing such nonsense do find solace in the christian church and for that reason alone it does serve a profitable purpose for those with a lack of faith in god.

So, I parrot the words that you use to falsely accuse me and other Christians of hatred, anger and bigotry and I am the one who is launching the personal attacks?

It sounds like you have some anger issues against Christians and you have a twisted view of them. You need to ask the Lord God of the Bible to help you to see things the way He does. Everything you say and everything you believe about Christians is false and is in fact true of you.

The fact is that you are torn up inside because you can't control the way that they believe, yet you aren't willing to let anyone control the way you believe. I am not saying that I would want to control the way you believe, but my hope is that you would step away from your hatred for a few minutes and think about why you are so angry with them. I believe it's really because you are spiritually blinded by your own hate.

God bless Israel and may they accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ and be saved.

The truth is that Christians have done nothing to you and you know it. The only hater around here is you.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:52 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1528034 wrote: So, I parrot the words that you use to falsely accuse me and other Christians of hatred, anger and bigotry and I am the one who is launching the personal attacks?
It is the hatred, anger, and bigotry of christianity that speak for themselves ¦ all of these traits you have expressed in your own words to me (personally) during this dialogue.

xfrodobagginsx;1528034 wrote: It sounds like you have some anger issues against Christians and you have a twisted view of them.
I have no anger for chtristtans and I have told you more than once that I am tolerant of them, for in the face of their lack of faith in god they find solace in the church. The fact that christians are intolerant of others – professing that only they have any right to enter heaven - does not alter my tolerance for them because I am sympathetic and I understand they are lost souls, without faith in god, who afraid of dying.

xfrodobagginsx;1528034 wrote: You need to ask the Lord God of the Bible to help you to see things the way He does. Everything you say and everything you believe about Christians is false and is in fact true of you.
It is clear that my knowledge of christianity is greater than yours presumably due the fact that I understand its' origins and you do not.

xfrodobagginsx;1528034 wrote: The fact is that you are torn up inside because you can't control the way that they believe, yet you aren't willing to let anyone control the way you believe.
Utter nonsense. It is christians who are afraid to die and have their eyes fixed on a phoney, blasphemous amendment of the bible. I do not believe in such supestitous claptrap.

xfrodobagginsx;1528034 wrote: I am not saying that I would want to control the way you believe, but my hope is that you would step away from your hatred for a few minutes and think about why you are so angry with them. I believe it's really because you are spiritually blinded by your own hate.
“Hatred & “anger is (and always has been) the main theme of christian indoctrination.

xfrodobagginsx;1528034 wrote: The truth is that Christians have done nothing to you and you know it.
Have I ever said anything to the contrary?

xfrodobagginsx;1528034 wrote: The only hater around here is you.
“HATE, that's your theme and rallying point. You can't let it go or stray far from it for a second. It consumes you.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:59 pm

High Threshold;1528036 wrote: It is the hatred, anger, and bigotry of christianity that speak for themselves ¦ all of these traits you have expressed in your own words to me (personally) during this dialogue.

I have no anger for chtristtans and I have told you more than once that I am tolerant of them, for in the face of their lack of faith in god they find solace in the church. The fact that christians are intolerant of others – professing that only they have any right to enter heaven - does not alter my tolerance for them because I am sympathetic and I understand they are lost souls, without faith in god, who afraid of dying.

It is clear that my knowledge of christianity is greater than yours presumably due the fact that I understand its' origins and you do not.

Utter nonsense. It is christians who are afraid to die and have their eyes fixed on a phoney, blasphemous amendment of the bible. I do not believe in such supestitous claptrap.

“Hatred & “anger is (and always has been) the main theme of christian indoctrination.

Have I ever said anything to the contrary?

“HATE, that's your theme and rallying point. You can't let it go or stray far from it for a second. It consumes you.

You are blinded by your own hatred of Christians where you can't even see that YOU are the one who is being hateful, not Christians. You show hate, while accusing Christians of hate. You show intolerance while accusing Christians of being intolerant. You show anger, while accusing Christians of being angry. Hypocrisy.

False accusations again. Christians HAVE faith in God, You don't. That's why you cling to your agnostic excuse. It's sad that you are angry with Christians for believing God that only those who trust in Christ will go to heaven, because instead of placing your faith in Christ to save your soul, you get angry with the Christians who do. If you don't really believe in hell or you don't know if there is a God, then WHY do you care what Christians believe??? The fact is that you want to CONTROL what Christians believe and it's NEVER gonna happen, EVER. You can get mad all you want.

You have no knowledge of Christianity from everything you have written it is quite clear that everything you believe of Christians is the complete opposite of what's actually true.

I am not afraid to die because I know that I have Christ. If I didn't have Christ, then I would be. You just can't seem to understand that simple fact.

HATE is what you are spewing, while accusing me of hate. Unbelievable. You will never change my view because I know God.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:20 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1528057 wrote: You are blinded by your own hatred of Christians where you can't even see that YOU are the one who is being hateful, not Christians. You show hate, while accusing Christians of hate. You show intolerance while accusing Christians of being intolerant. You show anger, while accusing Christians of being angry. Hypocrisy.

False accusations again. Christians HAVE faith in God, You don't. That's why you cling to your agnostic excuse. It's sad that you are angry with Christians for believing God that only those who trust in Christ will go to heaven, because instead of placing your faith in Christ to save your soul, you get angry with the Christians who do. If you don't really believe in hell or you don't know if there is a God, then WHY do you care what Christians believe??? The fact is that you want to CONTROL what Christians believe and it's NEVER gonna happen, EVER. You can get mad all you want.

You have no knowledge of Christianity from everything you have written it is quite clear that everything you believe of Christians is the complete opposite of what's actually true.

I am not afraid to die because I know that I have Christ. If I didn't have Christ, then I would be. You just can't seem to understand that simple fact.

HATE is what you are spewing, while accusing me of hate. Unbelievable. You will never change my view because I know God.

Your hatred of others and fear of death is common & widely-known and is the basis of the christian lack of faith in the unknown. You are content with 4 being the sum of 2 + 2 but you succumb to hysteria over Creation's mystery so you accept the christian labyrinth of superstitious hocus-pocus to find “4 where “2 does not exist.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:29 pm

High Threshold;1528059 wrote: Your hatred of others and fear of death is common & widely-known and is the basis of the christian lack of faith in the unknown. You are content with 4 being the sum of 2 + 2 but you succumb to hysteria over Creation's mystery so you accept the christian labyrinth of superstitious hocus-pocus to find “4 where “2 does not exist.

Your hatred for Christians and false accusations are common to the Liberal side of the isle because you can't win on facts. I'm not afraid of death, but you should be if you don't have Christ. I have no faith in the unknown. My faith is in what's known, that the Lord is my God and that my Redeemer lives and on the earth, He will again stand and rule. I will rule with Him. The only one here that can't add 2+2 here is you. I love the truth, so yes I accept the Bible's truth. Maybe if you stop hating Christians and anyone who disagrees with you, you wouldn't be blind to the truth. Ask the Lord to open your eyes that you may see things the way He does.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:39 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1528065 wrote: Your hatred for Christians and false accusations are common to the Liberal side of the isle because you can't win on facts. I'm not afraid of death, but you should be if you don't have Christ. I have no faith in the unknown. My faith is in what's known, that the Lord is my God and that my Redeemer lives and on the earth, He will again stand and rule. I will rule with Him. The only one here that can't add 2+2 here is you. I love the truth, so yes I accept the Bible's truth. Maybe if you stop hating Christians and anyone who disagrees with you, you wouldn't be blind to the truth. Ask the Lord to open your eyes that you may see things the way He does.
Just more talk of HATE and FEAR. Your attitude towards truth is noted and your responses increase in AGRESSIVENESS the more you are confronted with the FACTS that the bible is nothing more than a FALSE narrative of SUPERSTITION and HOCUS-POCUS. Just read your own words. You see how you are getting more FRANTIC with each of your replies. The reason for this is a total LACK OF TOLERANCE for the things you do not understand. Do you want to know what is really funny despite your seething ANGER and DEFENSIVE HYSTERIA? I'll tell you. You say >>>

xfrodobagginsx;1528065 wrote: Maybe if you stop hating Christians and anyone who disagrees with you ¦
LOL! Here you are telling me that only Christians will go to heaven and the rest of us will go to hell but you contradict yourself by saying it is I who “hates anyone who disagrees with me! You really are a joker.

You need to calm down and realize that you have been duped into believing a load of SUPERSTITION and HOCUS-POCUS. The alternative is to continue frothing at the mouth, jumping up and down, clenching your fist and believing in the FAKE MESSIAH and the BOOK of FICTION that has been proven to be FALSE. It's up to you, of course, but you are following the work of SATAN (if there really is one) and you are making the world an unsafe place to live by SPEWING LIES across humanity.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:46 pm

I am not going to respond to your attacks any more. Lars has made it clear that he doesn't want anymore of this. I won't be responding to you because you are an ignorant, hateful, liar.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:49 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1528069 wrote: I am not going to respond to your attacks any more. Lars has made it clear that he doesn't want anymore of this. I won't be responding to you.
Excellent. We agree after all.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:42 am

I hope you all had a Happy Thanksgiving! Give thanks to the Lord for He is good.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:23 pm

The Holy Spirit IS God:

2Co 3:17 And the Lord is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

The Holy Spirit is one with the Father and the Son:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

A Clear distinction is made between Christ and the Spirit. It says that believers are wash and sanctified by the Spirit:

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The Holy Spirit raised Christ from the dead:

1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

God raised Christ from the dead:

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

(KJV)

Therefore, the Spirit is God.

He abides in believers by the Holy Spirit, signifying that the Spirit is God:

1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

God the Father, Son and Spirit present in the Creation of Man:

Ge 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Let US go down and make man in OUR image. Think about it. Who is God talking to? The Trinity.

God made man in His own image:

Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:24 pm

Next I will show Biblically that Jesus Christ is God.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:28 pm

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THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD

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There are some religions out there that believe and teach that Jesus Christ is not God. Some teach that He is a god, but not thee God. I am going to demonstrate through the word of God that He is God and created all things.

Jesus’s name “Immanuel LITERALLY means “God with us

Mt 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

He always existed (from everlasting):

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Mic 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are little among the thousands of Judah, [Yet] out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth [are] from of old, From everlasting."

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This prophecy is of Christ's first comming. His Goings forth have been from everlasting because Christ Jesus is God.

Jesus Christ is one with the Father. He is God.

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Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God:

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1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Jesus declares Himself to be the great I AM of the Old Testiment. I AM is God's Name

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Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

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I am IS God. There is only one God. That God has three parts.

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Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

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Hisï¿½*Disciple/Apostle Peter Admits that Jesus knows “All things (Only God knows all things)

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Joh 21:17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

The Bible calls Jesus Christ The Great God and our Savior:

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Jesus Knows Our Thoughts

Mt 9:4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in your hearts?

Lu 11:17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls.

In Him Dwells all of the fullness of the Godhead Bodily:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. {rudiments: or, elements} {make a prey: or, seduce you, or, lead you astray} For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Col 1:12 ¶ Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: {his...: Gr. the Son of his love}

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

He is the image of the invisible God. All things were created by Him:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {in...: or, among all} 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

ï¿½*God's plurality is found in Genesis

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Ge 1:26 ¶ Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

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Hisï¿½*Disciple/Apostle Thomas Confessed Him to be God and Jesus did NOT rebuke Him for it:

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Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

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This verse demonstrates how God has multiple aspects. He said Let “US make man in “OUR image. He didn’t say, let me make man in My image, He said let US make man is OUR image.

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His Apostle/Disciple John declares Christ Jesus to be God:

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Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

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His Apostle/Disciple John declares that the world was made by Him (Jesus Christ)

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Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

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All things were made by Him and He was in the beginning with God (Father)

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Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

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There are MANY places where He is worshipped and Jesus NEVER tells them not to worship Him, NOT once. Only God is to be worshipped, because Jesus IS God, Jesus IS worshipped:

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Mt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. {presented: or, offered}

Mt 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Mt 9:18 ¶ While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

Mt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mt 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

Mt 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. {worshipped him: or, besought him}

ï¿½*Mt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Mt 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Mr 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

Mr 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.

Lu 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

Ac 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

Re 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Scripture refers to Him as the Lord, Jesus Christ. The phrase "The Lord" is unique only to God:

Here are a few mentioning "The Lord Your God"

De 5:6 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. {bondage: Heb. servants}

De 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

De 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Here are many calling Him Jesus Christ, The Lord.

Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Ac 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ro 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Ro 15:30 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. >

Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {conversation...: or, we live or conduct ourselves as citizens of heaven, or, for obtaining heaven}

Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Th 1:1 ¶ Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Trinity (Three in one)

Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Father, Son and Spirit Present at Christ’s Baptism:

Mt 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Conclusion: Jesus Christ is God. Not a God but the God of the bible. God has three personalities. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All are equal, yet the Son is submissive to the Father and the Holy Spirit is submissive to the Son. Jesus Christ was an EXAMPLE for us. He died on the cross for our sins so that we could go to heaven and be forgiven of our sins. He shed His blood for us.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:22 pm

So Biblically, the Jehovah's Witnesses and other religions that deny the Deity of Christ are wrong.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:43 pm

From KingDavid8.com

Are there ACTUAL parallels between the Jesus and Horus stories?

Hardly. For those unfamiliar with the Horus story, Horus is a character in Egyptian mythology, the son of the gods Isis and Osiris. There actually appear to be multiple dieties named 'Horus', but the one who is the son of Isis and Osiris is the one the critics claim influenced the Jesus story. ï¿½*For a quick and unbiased debunking of this story, go to any search engine and find a site on Egyptian mythology and read the Horus story for yourself (I've provided some links at the bottom of the page), or check the mythology section at your local library (go ahead, I dare you!). Acharya S's book "The Christ Conspiracy" is the apparent source of this list, but the author provides evidentiarly footnotes for only five of the claims, and those footnotes frequently disagree with her own claims!

By the way, I had a discussion about this list with Acharya S, the author of the book "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold". To view a text of our discussion, go to this site.

Here are the claims of parallels between Jesus and Horus, with my responses:

1) Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

Let’s take this one apart and deal with each separate issue:

Horus’ mother was not a virgin. She was married to Osiris, and there is no reason to suppose she was abstinent after marriage. ï¿½*Horus was, per the story, miraculously conceived. ï¿½*Seth had killed and dismembered Osiris, then Isis put her husband's dead body back together and had intercourse with it.ï¿½*In some versions, she used a hand-made phallus since she wasn't able to find that part of her husband. ï¿½*So while it was a miraculous conception, it was not aï¿½*virgin birth.

Horus was given three different birthdates in mythology, one of which does correspond to December 25th. ï¿½*But since Jesus wasn't, per the evidence, born on 12/25, this isn't a parallel.

"Meri" (technically "Mr-ee") is the egyptian word for "beloved" and was apparently applied to Isis prior to Jesus' time, as a title, not as part of her name. ï¿½*But since there were probably thousands of women between Horus' time and Jesus' with a name or title that was a variation on "Mary", there's no real reason to suppose that Jesus' mother was named after Isis in particular. ï¿½*Even if, hypothetically, the Gospel authors themselves fabricated Jesus' mother and decided to name her "Mary", it's far more likely that they named her after other women from around their time named "Mary" than it is that they named her after "Isis-Meri"

Horus was born in a swamp, not a cave/manger. ï¿½*Acharya's footnotes for this point only make the claim that Jesus was born in a cave, and say nothing about Horus being born inï¿½*one.

Horus' birth was not announced by a star in the east

There were no “three wise men at Horus’ birth, or at Jesus’ for that matter (the Bible never gives the number of wise men, and they showed up at Jesus’ home, not at the manger, probably when Jesus was a year or two old).

Acharya's source for the last two claims appears to be Massey, who saysï¿½*"the Star in the East that arose to announce the birth of the babe (Jesus) was Orion, which is therefore called the star of Horus. That was once the star of the three kings; for the 'three kings' is still a name of three stars in Orion's belt . . . " ï¿½*Massey's apparently getting mixed up, and then the critics are misinterpreting it. ï¿½*Orion is not a star, but a constellation, of which there are three stars in a row making up the belt of Orion. ï¿½*However, there is no evidence that these three stars were called the "Three Kings" prior to Jesus' time, nor even prior to the 19th century, for that matter.

And even if there is a specific star called 'the star of Horus', there's no legend stating that it announced Horus' birth (as the critics are claiming) or that the three stars in Orion's belt attended Horus' birth in any way.

2) His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

First of all, there is no parallel between the Egyptian name “Seb and the Hebrew name “Joseph, other than the fact that they’re common names. Also, Seb was Osiris’ father, not Horus’.

3) He was of royal descent.

This one’s true! ï¿½*But it's not really a comparison to Jesus. ï¿½*When followers speak of Jesus being of 'royal descent', they usually mean His being a descendent of King David, an earthly king. ï¿½*Horus was, according to the myth, descended from heavenly royalty (as Jesus was), being the son of the main god.

4) At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.

He never taught in any temple and was never baptized. ï¿½*Also, Jesus didn't 'disappear' in the years between His teaching in the temple and baptism. He worked humbly as a carpenter.

5) Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.

Again, Horus was never baptized. There is no “Anup the Baptizer in the story.

6) He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

Horus had four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’). There’s another reference to sixteen followers, and a group of followers called ‘mesnui’ (blacksmiths) who join Horus in battle, but are never numbered. But there’s no reference to twelve followers or any of them being named “Anup or “Aan.

7) He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.

He did perform miracles, but he never exorcised demons or raised his father from the dead. Also, Osiris is never referred to as ‘El-Azarus’ or ‘El-Osiris’ (clearly an attempt to make his name more closely resemble the Bible’s “Lazarus).

8) Horus walked on water.

No, he did not.

9) His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

Horus was never referred to as “Iusa (nor was anyone in Egyptian history - the word does not exist) or “Holy Child.

10) He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

Horus never delivered such a sermon, and, as pointed out above, he was never referred to as “Iusa.

11) Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

No, he was not.

12) He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

Horus was never crucified. There’s an unofficial story in which he dies and is cast in pieces into the water, then later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request. This unofficial story is the only one in which he dies at all.

13) He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

The only titles Horus is given are “Great God, “Chief of the Powers, “Master of Heaven, and “Avenger of His Father. None of the above titles are in any Egyptian mythology.

14) He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

He was never referred to as “the fisher, and there are no lamb or lion in any of the stories. ï¿½*Acharya S.'s footnotes on this claim only show an association with fish (which is that Horus WAS a fish, unlike Jesus), with no evidence of his being called 'the fisher' or having any association with aï¿½*lamb or lion.

15) He came to fulfill the Law.

There was no “law he was supposed to fulfill.

16) Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."

He was never referred to by either of these titles. ï¿½*"Krst", in Egyptian, means "burial", by the way. ï¿½*It wasn't a title.

17) Like Jesus, "Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."

No mention of this in Egyptian mythology.

Links:

Encyclopedia Mythica: Horus

Egyptian Mythology: Horus

The Eye Of Horus

Horus: He Who Is Above

Tektonics: Horus, Isis, Osiris

Egyptian Book of the Dead

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:08 pm

Some would try to disprove the Biblical Jesus Christ, but there isn't a single ancient writing predating Christianity that matches the Biblical story.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:27 pm

Every single time someone come up with a claim attempting to debunk the Bible, it's proven to be false.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:45 pm

https://www.matthewmcgee.org/2gospels.html

Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel

Introduction

During the dark ages from about 500 AD to about 1500 AD, the public was not permitted to have access to the Bible. Only the clergy could look upon the Word of God. They then dispensed only tiny morsels to the masses, often twisting the meaning for their own financial or political gain. By the time the reformation began, virtually all Biblical truth had been lost or distorted. After the reformers got Bibles back into the hands of the common man, people began to try to reconstruct the proper church doctrines which had been lost. This was very difficult because they had been steeped in all manner of heresies for centuries. Different groups had varying degrees of success, correcting some areas of doctrine while failing to correct others. Some false doctrines were changed into new, different false doctrines. In any case, not one of the hundreds of denominations or sects has ever made it back to the pure doctrine of the early church. Perhaps I should not use the word "pure", since we can see from Galatians 3 and 1 Corinthians 5 that errant doctrine was creeping into some local churches even at that early date.

One reason so many Christians do not understand the Bible today is that we have a tendency to be like the clergy back in Galileo's day. Galileo's discovery that the sun, not the earth, is the center of the solar system, was against the church doctrine of the time. For centuries, the clergy had taught that the earth was the center of the universe even though the Bible never says this. The clergy guarded their ignorance so carefully that they would not even look into Galileo's telescope to see his evidence.

Likewise, most of the church today perceives itself to be not only God's people today, but the only people God ever had or ever will have. So they read the Bible passages and see the present-day church as being the total focus of all scripture. But they fail to realize that there will be people saved from before the great flood, from ancient times, from Old Testament Israel, from Gentile nations during the Old Testament, out of the future tribulation, and out of the future 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. None of these millions and millions of believers were or will be what we would call "Christians". While we in the present church do hold a very special place, we are not the sole focus of all scripture or even all of that portion of scripture commonly referred to as the New Testament.

The key points that are addressed in this article are listed below. Some of these statements may be surprising to some Christians, but I believe that the given scripture references and the pages that follow will make them clear. After all, I don't expect anyone to believe something just because I say it. I would hope that we could all be like the Bereans of which Acts 17:11-12 says, "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed ...."

1. The Apostle Paul and the Apostle Peter each preached the gospel, the good news. But upon close examination of just what they were saying, it is apparent that their messages were different from one another. Yet they did not contradict one another, because they spoke their respective gospels to two separate audiences. In this article, we will examine these two unique messages and the two audiences to which they were given.

2. Our gospel is that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, gave His life as the perfect sacrifice to pay for our sins, was crucified, and rose from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is what apostle Paul preached. There is only one gospel that we are to proclaim today. However, there have been other valid gospels in the past (Galatians 3:8, Matthew 9:35, and 10:5-7) and there will be others in the future (Matthew 24:14 and Revelation 14:6-7) after the rapture of the church.

3. Even though they had been plainly told by Jesus Christ beforehand, the twelve apostles did not know that Jesus Christ was going to die or rise from the dead (Matthew 16:21-22, Luke 18:33-34, and John 20:9). It was hidden from them by God. Of course, the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are essential parts of Paul's gospel. Also recall that the disciples preached a gospel during Jesus Christ's earthly ministry. But it definitely was not Paul's gospel, because they did not know Paul's gospel.

4. Before our Lord Jesus Christ revealed it to Paul, the other apostles did not know that Jesus Christ's crucifixion was the sacrifice for our sins. In the book of Acts, Peter never mentions sacrifice, or propitiation, or the blood of Jesus Christ. He never associates Christ's death with remission of sins. Our gospel by which we are saved was a mystery revealed by our Lord Jesus Christ to Paul. It was not known by any man, not even the twelve apostles or Satan himself (1 Corinthians 2:7-8).

5. Paul was the apostle of the Gentiles (Acts 9:15 and Romans 11:13). Jesus Christ and the apostles prior to Paul preached only to the people of Israel, with just a few exceptions (Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24, John 12:20-24, Acts 2:5, 2:36, 3:12, and 11:19).

6. After Jesus Christ ascended into heaven, Peter preached that the people of Israel should believe that Jesus Christ was who He said He was, the Messiah. They should repent, and be baptized with water (Acts 2:38). If they all did this, then Jesus Christ would return and bring in the kingdom just as the Old Testament prophets had foretold (Acts 3:19-21).

7. The twelve apostles were under the law of Moses and continued to zealously follow the law all of their lives. But Paul taught the Gentiles "... ye are not under the law, but under grace" (Romans 6:14).

8. From Abraham, through the Old Testament, during Christ's earthly ministry, and the early chapters of Acts, there were exceptions, but for the most part, God dealt only with the nation of Israel. Israel alone is the focus of the early chapters of the book of Acts. The ministry to the Gentiles did not even begin until more than 12 years after Christ's earthly ministry, well after the conversion of Saul.

The Old Testament Kingdom Program

God promised the people of Israel a Land, a King, and a Kingdom. Their nation was to eventually become a nation of priests to bring salvation to the Gentile nations. In the Old Testament, it was no mystery that Israel would someday spread the Word of God to all nations. But, it was prophesied to be after the Messiah had come and set up His kingdom centered in Jerusalem. The people of Israel would then be sent to all nations to lead the Gentiles to their God in Jerusalem. But all Israel did not receive and has not received Him yet. So the fulfillment of the old program has been postponed. The mystery was that God planned to go to the Gentiles (through the apostle Paul) when Israel rejected the kingdom. After this dispensation of grace (sometimes called the "church age") ends at the rapture, God will resume the old program. That is a very short summary. But now, since it is so beneficial to understanding the scriptures, we will go back and examine the Old Testament kingdom program from the time it began.

Around 2000 BC, about 350 years after the great flood, God chose one man out of all of the people on the earth from whom He would make a special nation. That man was Abram, whom God would later rename Abraham. God gave Abram the promise that he would become a great nation. "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing ... and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" (Genesis 12:2-3). We can see from this verse that God had all nations in mind. But He chose one man and his descendants (one nation) to use to reach the rest of mankind. Then when Abram was in the land of Canaan, "... the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed I will give this land ..." (Genesis 12:7).

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:14 am

Israel's Gospel was accept your Messiah and Baptized in addition to obedience to the law. The Gospel of Grace is to place your Faith in Jesus Christ, Believing in your heart that He died and rose again, shedding His blood as a Sacrifice for your sins, without the deeds of the Law. The Gospel of Grace is for today because we are no longer under the Law, we are under Grace as Paul clearly states.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:16 pm

Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend!

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:52 pm

One of the best Bible Teachers around:

Through The Bible With Les Feldick:

https://www.lesfeldick.org/

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:42 am

He is the most knowledgeable Bible teacher I have ever heard.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:06 pm

Les Feldick's Biblical Timelines

https://www.lesfeldick.org/lestimel.html

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:42 pm

How 'manna from heaven' helped 1 mother fulfill dream to employ people with disabilities at new coffee shop

https://www.wnd.com/2019/12/manna-heave ... ffee-shop/

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:56 pm

Buried Christian (and pagan) basilica discovered in Ethiopia's 'lost kingdom'

https://www.wnd.com/2019/12/buried-chri ... t-kingdom/

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:06 pm

Still wondering how to post emoticons...

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:03 pm

Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:36 pm

There are some religions out there who teach that there is no such thing as Hell. Some teach that hell is the only the grave. Some teach that hell is a place where souls are burned up in an instant. But that is not what the bible teaches. Today, I am going to demonstrate though the word of God that hell is a literal place of torment.

Where is hell?

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Hell is down. Most bible scholars believe that it is in the center of the earth.

Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus's body remained on the earth, but His Spirit went to the heart of the earth, or center. Where is the heart of something located? In the center.

What is Hell?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Hell is a prison.

It is a prison for those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. Hell is no laughing matter. There is no party in hell.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. {strange: Gr. other}

Lu 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

First of all notice that this man was not happy. It says that he was tormented in this FLAME. Hell is fire. It is an eternal flame that never goes out.

Mr 9:3 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

It says where their worm dieth not and the FIRE is NOT quenched. Hell is eternal torment by fire.

Hell is outer darkness. There is no light there. It is pitch black, forever.

Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mt 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Lu 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Who goes to hell, and what is after hell?

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

One day after everyone has been judged, hell and death will be cast into the lake of fire.

Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The devil is going to be cast into the lake of fire. Notice that it is a place of torment and that torment never ends.

Re 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Those who reject Jesus Christ and accept the mark of the beast are going to the lake of fire.

Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Those who reject Jesus Christ won't be found written in the book of life. They also will be cast into the lake of fire.

There is only one way out. That way is Jesus Christ.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Who is God willing to save from hell and the lake of fire?

Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How do we do this?

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Ro 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The bible says that whosoever believeth on Him shall NOT be ashamed. Are you willing to accept Jesus Christ today to be your Savior?

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

God is willing to save ANYONE no matter what you have done, if you will simply call upon upon Jesus Christ to save you. Will you do that today?

If you want to accept Jesus free gift of salvation, or if you have any doubts about whether or not you are going to heaven, you could place your faith in Jesus Christ for salvation by praying a simple prayer:

Dear Lord Jesus I believe that You are the Lord and believe in my heart that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead, shedding your blood as a Sacrifice for my sins. I repent and turn to You as the only way of salvation, I give my life to you, placing my Faith and Trust in You as Lord of my life, Please save me and I thank You for it, in Jesus holy name, Amen.

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:43 am

So, the reason that Christians talk about hell and Jesus being the only way, is because that's what the Bible actually says. It doesn't make Christians hateful, it makes Christians truthful.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:58 pm

Happy Sunday!!! Find a good Bible beliving Church and attend today!!!

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:29 pm

Something to think about: Easter, New Year & Christmas are 3 times per year that the world celebrates the Christian God of the Bible, even if they don't give Him the credit.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:06 pm

How does New Year figure in to that, Bob?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:25 pm

LarsMac;1528756 wrote: How does New Year figure in to that, Bob?

New Year fits in because the year 2020 is based upon 2020 years since the birth of Christ, therefore, it's about His birth.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:26 pm

LarsMac;1528756 wrote: How does New Year figure in to that, Bob?
An interesting question. No one really knows the answer. “Christmas is actually a pagan day of celebration (the pagan God, Saturn) but was commandeered by those who had lost patience waiting for 'the true Messiah' to appear. So they concocted a fantasy scenario whereby Jesus was supposed to have been born on that day despite there being no proof of his birth date or year.

To believe Jesus was born on December 25, 2020 years ago requires what followers call “faith - belief in the doctrines of a religion, based upon excessively credulous and superstitious convictions rather than any proof.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:57 pm

And if you think about the fact that Christ died and rose again in AD 33, it will soon be exactly 2000 years since that event took place.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:26 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1528793 wrote: New Year fits in because the year 2020 is based upon 2020 years since the birth of Christ, therefore, it's about His birth.

Except that the birth of Jesus was more like 6-4 BCE

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:48 pm

LarsMac;1528818 wrote: Except that the birth of Jesus was more like 6-4 BCE
Scholars do agree with you. Or ought I say that you agree with them? This pretty much proves that he was not born 2020 years ago. The date (Dec 25) is also well out of whack and a grand speculation. It might not matter all that very much had it not been for the “Christmas Celebration. If Christians would only accept this fact and treat “Christmas as a symbolic celebration of Jesus' coming then all would be well but they insist on nailing it down, thus creating an absurd hysteria over “faith.

One of the most interesting aspects of Jehovah's Witness is that they sideline such trivial and distracting matters (Christmas, Easter, Crucifixion, etc.) and focus on what they believe is Jesus' contribution to life and its' meaning. There is far less hocus-pocus and superstition amongst Jehovah's Witness and you have to admire them for that.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:55 pm

LarsMac;1528818 wrote: Except that the birth of Jesus was more like 6-4 BCE

But when they made the calendar, it was believed to be 1 AD. I also want to point out that they don't start dates at 0. They have since adjusted the date to 4 BC due to historical information about Herod. Nonetheless, the year is based on the birth of Christ.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:02 pm

When they made the calendar, they were guessing. Is that what you are saying?

Of course, they are actually STILL guessing.

If it was really THAT important, though, I am pretty sure that God would not have left it to guesswork.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:31 pm

LarsMac;1528865 wrote: When they made the calendar, they were guessing. Is that what you are saying?

Of course, they are actually STILL guessing.
Exactly.

LarsMac;1528865 wrote: If it was really THAT important, though, I am pretty sure that God would not have left it to guesswork.
Well, guesswork is a debatable point. According to Christian ambiguity, The Creator of Heaven and Earth sent down a superstitious anomaly through the womb of some hocus-pocus "virgin" for the purpose of scaring the world's population into submission. I don't know what you believe but if some Supreme Creator thought it was necessary to astound humanity by living, breathing, physical evidence why in god's name (no pun intended) did he/she/it not perform one of his/her/its' miracles and have the revelation witnessed by every man, woman and child on earth simultaneously? Why rely upon "word of mouth" of a handful of alleged witnesses at a tiny spot on the planet? After all, he is supposed to have sent this anomaly to be "witnessed".

So, back to your question on "guesswork". One can assume that Christians feel that it's "In for a penny, in for a pound". If you have decided to put your faith in superstitious hocus-pocus ... you can just as well make up any outrageous, cockamamy story you like and claim, "It's a miracle, it's God's miracle!" So, basing the birth of Christ on guesswork is rather a mild example of the mumbo jumbo "faith". I cannot understand why you do not fall upon your knees in awe and wonder and accept the Biblical accounts of Jesus Christ our Saviour who is one of three Gods except that there is only one God .... or something like that.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:51 pm

LarsMac;1528865 wrote: When they made the calendar, they were guessing. Is that what you are saying?

Of course, they are actually STILL guessing.

If it was really THAT important, though, I am pretty sure that God would not have left it to guesswork.

You are missing my point. My point is that the calendar it's self is based on the birth of Christ, regardless of if they messed up on the exact year or not. I would agree with you that the exact year isn't that important or God would have made it easier to figure out.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:58 pm

So would you now agree that there are in fact 3 days a year that the world Celebrates the Christian God of the Bible?

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:04 am

xfrodobagginsx;1528905 wrote: So would you now agree that there are in fact 3 days a year that the world Celebrates the Christian God of the Bible?

Umm, no.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:53 pm

LarsMac;1528910 wrote: Umm, no.

Ok, so what is your reason for not believing that the world celebrates Christmas, Easter and New Year?