And you're right, I can't stop you from listening to this music, doing drugs, or even robbing a bank if you want to.
I'm just hoping you won't want to do any of these things!
(They don't make you happier)
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Are YOU down with the Clown?
Goodness! Settle down Skittles, I'm not trying to change you, just protect you from the bad things in life. Honestly, there are some things you don't need in your life and this is one of them.
And you're right, I can't stop you from listening to this music, doing drugs, or even robbing a bank if you want to.
I'm just hoping you won't want to do any of these things!
(They don't make you happier)
And you're right, I can't stop you from listening to this music, doing drugs, or even robbing a bank if you want to.
I'm just hoping you won't want to do any of these things!
(They don't make you happier)
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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skittles2004 wrote: music is what makes us who we are!
really? i thought the argument was the music doesn't influence who you are? that is what i kept hearing through all this.
really? i thought the argument was the music doesn't influence who you are? that is what i kept hearing through all this.
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skittles2004 wrote: i just hate it when people say that something that isn't right!
But what if it really isn't right? Like murder, violence and rape? You're against that aren't you?
But what if it really isn't right? Like murder, violence and rape? You're against that aren't you?
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CeltWmn wrote: She listened to Heavy Metal/Glam Rock, that sort of thing. Naturally, I did too after meeting her. I started doing drugs at 13. I wouldn't have admitted it then, but, I would have to say that the music I listened to most definately had an influence.
Wow, you had a weak spirit and a problem with gullibility. Both my parents were chain smokers and my dad was an alcholic, they listened to country and classic southern rock, which was about nothing but drinking and smoking as well... I grew up on that stuff THEN moved on to add more to my musical tastes, including Jimmy Buffet, ICP, and plenty of rap and metal right along with pop. I DON'T DO DRUGS. I DON'T SMOKE. I DRINK ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
If anyone starts doing drugs because of a band, they need freaking psychiatric help. It's not the band's fault that there are such stupid, gullible, naive people in this world... even for a 12 year old in the 80's, that's just absolutely psychotic. You obviously had some problems already, or you were just trained by your parents to do what you seen on TV or something.
I've been nice about most of the things on this board because I understand the need for fair debate, but I can't be nice about this. I hate these stupid arguments about how media makes people do things, especially when someone uses music or movies or video games to justify their own naive idiocy so they can lay the blame on something other than themselves and their parents. Keep pretending you weren't weak, but I will NEVER believe you. I'm done with this post, because nothing more from this point on could possibly be positive, IMHO.
Wow, you had a weak spirit and a problem with gullibility. Both my parents were chain smokers and my dad was an alcholic, they listened to country and classic southern rock, which was about nothing but drinking and smoking as well... I grew up on that stuff THEN moved on to add more to my musical tastes, including Jimmy Buffet, ICP, and plenty of rap and metal right along with pop. I DON'T DO DRUGS. I DON'T SMOKE. I DRINK ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
If anyone starts doing drugs because of a band, they need freaking psychiatric help. It's not the band's fault that there are such stupid, gullible, naive people in this world... even for a 12 year old in the 80's, that's just absolutely psychotic. You obviously had some problems already, or you were just trained by your parents to do what you seen on TV or something.
I've been nice about most of the things on this board because I understand the need for fair debate, but I can't be nice about this. I hate these stupid arguments about how media makes people do things, especially when someone uses music or movies or video games to justify their own naive idiocy so they can lay the blame on something other than themselves and their parents. Keep pretending you weren't weak, but I will NEVER believe you. I'm done with this post, because nothing more from this point on could possibly be positive, IMHO.
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LOl. You know Tx...I think I'm getting to like you. You seem a decent sort, if deluded in your musical values, why not come on over to some of the other threads?
I promise I have no problem with you personally, i just disagree with ICP.
I look forward to talking to you on less...shall we say "inflammatory"... subjects?
I promise I have no problem with you personally, i just disagree with ICP.
I look forward to talking to you on less...shall we say "inflammatory"... subjects?
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I'm new here, but I'm down with the Mother F**kin Clown. B***hes
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monkeyporn wrote: I'm new here, but I'm down with the Mother F**kin Clown. B***hes
Sooo...is your username what you are, or your hobby? Thanks for making my point for me, monkeyporn. You have shown quite eloquently, oh...oops! Sorry, you probably don't know big words like that. LOL!
Anyway, Skittles, are you listening to this? The people you are defending are calling you a Bi*ch.
So let's examine 'ol Monkey Porn over there.
1. He's uncouth, and low-class.
2. He's rude and profane.
3. He's ignorant and self-centered.
So was he a total loser before he began being "down with the clown"? And he was attracted to ICP because other pathetic losers liked it and it's a way to express his hatred of all people who are good?
Or did he used to be someone's good son? A polite kid with a future, who was warped, and horribly twisted by ICP's brand of anti-social propaganda. Has the constant exposure to violence, drug abuse, and hatred turned him into this poor excuse for a human being?
It doesn't matter...either way ICP has a hand in the soup and should be banned just like GTA San Andreas was.
This whole thread reminds me of the Imams and the religious schools that breed terrorism. It strikes me as funny that no one argues that their hate-speech causes young terrorists to blow themselves up.
But every disagrees that ICP's hate speech will have the same effect. Get real. Hate and violence are bad for people. Look at poor monkeyporn over there, doomed to be a depressed, hate-spouting, sociopath for life, thanks to a permissive attitude towards insanely violent hate-music.
Sorry to see you like that, monkyporn. You're screwed up. But don't worry, I don't think it's all your fault. You just never had parents that loved you and protected you from this kind of insidious evil. I guess your parents were losers too, weren't they?
Sooo...is your username what you are, or your hobby? Thanks for making my point for me, monkeyporn. You have shown quite eloquently, oh...oops! Sorry, you probably don't know big words like that. LOL!
Anyway, Skittles, are you listening to this? The people you are defending are calling you a Bi*ch.
So let's examine 'ol Monkey Porn over there.
1. He's uncouth, and low-class.
2. He's rude and profane.
3. He's ignorant and self-centered.
So was he a total loser before he began being "down with the clown"? And he was attracted to ICP because other pathetic losers liked it and it's a way to express his hatred of all people who are good?
Or did he used to be someone's good son? A polite kid with a future, who was warped, and horribly twisted by ICP's brand of anti-social propaganda. Has the constant exposure to violence, drug abuse, and hatred turned him into this poor excuse for a human being?
It doesn't matter...either way ICP has a hand in the soup and should be banned just like GTA San Andreas was.
This whole thread reminds me of the Imams and the religious schools that breed terrorism. It strikes me as funny that no one argues that their hate-speech causes young terrorists to blow themselves up.
But every disagrees that ICP's hate speech will have the same effect. Get real. Hate and violence are bad for people. Look at poor monkeyporn over there, doomed to be a depressed, hate-spouting, sociopath for life, thanks to a permissive attitude towards insanely violent hate-music.
Sorry to see you like that, monkyporn. You're screwed up. But don't worry, I don't think it's all your fault. You just never had parents that loved you and protected you from this kind of insidious evil. I guess your parents were losers too, weren't they?
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Juggal4life
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sup ninjas im a real juggalo for u all to know just sayin sup to all u juggalos and juggelettes
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Juggal4life
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sup all juggalos
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Jives wrote: ICP is a rabid, nasty, depressing, violent, profane, death-oriented hate band. their emblem is a bloody clown carrying a meat cleaver. They exercise great influence over younger minds and are the most despicable example you could think of for your children. If you are a parent, be warned.
When the lead singer was asked what he thought of the fact that so many children emulated his profanity and hatred, he replied:
"So who gives a f***? I'm in it for the money and f*** everyone and everything else, I never said I was a f****** role model!"
Real sweetheart, eh?
Avoid at all costs.
I said it before, I'll say it again... sorry about your brainwashing, juggalo. It's a shame to see what was once a young, innocent, and fun-loving child turned into an anti-social, hate-spouting, violence-worshipping sociopathic groupie like yourself.
But don't worry, I don't blame you. It's the band's fault for corrupting you.
When the lead singer was asked what he thought of the fact that so many children emulated his profanity and hatred, he replied:
"So who gives a f***? I'm in it for the money and f*** everyone and everything else, I never said I was a f****** role model!"
Real sweetheart, eh?
Avoid at all costs.
I said it before, I'll say it again... sorry about your brainwashing, juggalo. It's a shame to see what was once a young, innocent, and fun-loving child turned into an anti-social, hate-spouting, violence-worshipping sociopathic groupie like yourself.
But don't worry, I don't blame you. It's the band's fault for corrupting you.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: I've noticed that the girls who listen to them and refer to themselves as "juggalettes" are much more promiscuous than normal.
Here are some of their lyrics, judge for yourself:
1) Carnival of Carnage: "Night of the Axe"
Chopping throats with a hatchet
Cuz they try to get me
So I took a head with me
Ran down the hall butt-naked
If you gotta life I'm a take, huh
2) The Amazing Jeckel Brothers: "I Stab People"
I order food just to stab the guy when he gets there,
I don't care
I stab anybody anywhere (uh, uh) there
I stabbed the mailman, he was pissed, he tried to mace me
3) The Great Milenko: "Halls Of Illusion"
But it's all good here, come have a beer
I'll break the top off it and shove it in ya ear
And your death comes wicked painful and slow
4) Riddle Box: "Cemetary"
Girl that make me happy, a girl that make me cry
A girl that passed away back in 1985
A girl I plan to marry, a girl I plan to wed
A girl that I can choke because my baby is already dead
5) The Ringmaster: "Murder go Round"
What can I say, man, I hit him with the brick
Killed the little *rick, him and his chick
6) The Wraith: Shangri-La: "The Raven's Mirror"
We be doing murder every day,
we be good enough to get away,
you won't even know a wicked clown has hit they door,
until your melon hit thy floor and roll away
Here's a sample of ICP for those who, thankfully, haven't been exposed to this filthy example of trash-media.
So Juggalo, do you talk that way to your mother?
Here are some of their lyrics, judge for yourself:
1) Carnival of Carnage: "Night of the Axe"
Chopping throats with a hatchet
Cuz they try to get me
So I took a head with me
Ran down the hall butt-naked
If you gotta life I'm a take, huh
2) The Amazing Jeckel Brothers: "I Stab People"
I order food just to stab the guy when he gets there,
I don't care
I stab anybody anywhere (uh, uh) there
I stabbed the mailman, he was pissed, he tried to mace me
3) The Great Milenko: "Halls Of Illusion"
But it's all good here, come have a beer
I'll break the top off it and shove it in ya ear
And your death comes wicked painful and slow
4) Riddle Box: "Cemetary"
Girl that make me happy, a girl that make me cry
A girl that passed away back in 1985
A girl I plan to marry, a girl I plan to wed
A girl that I can choke because my baby is already dead
5) The Ringmaster: "Murder go Round"
What can I say, man, I hit him with the brick
Killed the little *rick, him and his chick
6) The Wraith: Shangri-La: "The Raven's Mirror"
We be doing murder every day,
we be good enough to get away,
you won't even know a wicked clown has hit they door,
until your melon hit thy floor and roll away
Here's a sample of ICP for those who, thankfully, haven't been exposed to this filthy example of trash-media.
So Juggalo, do you talk that way to your mother?
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: Here's a sample of ICP for those who, thankfully, haven't been exposed to this filthy example of trash-media.
So Juggalo, do you talk that way to your mother?
Add in teacher, minister, principle or any person who deserves respect.
So Juggalo, do you talk that way to your mother?
Add in teacher, minister, principle or any person who deserves respect.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
― Mae West
― Mae West
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Hey Minxs...this is like the thread that wouldn't die, eh?
To any newbies, this thread is well worth reading from start to finish. It started as a hello to fellow "Juggalos" (a take on gigalos, these people pride themselves on sexual promiscuity) but it turned into an extremely well-written and thought out debate on the influence of violent media on our society.
See both sides here!
To any newbies, this thread is well worth reading from start to finish. It started as a hello to fellow "Juggalos" (a take on gigalos, these people pride themselves on sexual promiscuity) but it turned into an extremely well-written and thought out debate on the influence of violent media on our society.
See both sides here!
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: Hey Minxs...this is like the thread that wouldn't die, eh?
To any newbies, this thread is well worth reading from start to finish. It started as a hello to fellow "Juggalos" (a take on gigalos, these people pride themselves on sexual promiscuity) but it turned into an extremely well-written and thought out debate on the influence of violent media on our society.
See both sides here!
yeah it has been interesting that's for sure.
To any newbies, this thread is well worth reading from start to finish. It started as a hello to fellow "Juggalos" (a take on gigalos, these people pride themselves on sexual promiscuity) but it turned into an extremely well-written and thought out debate on the influence of violent media on our society.
See both sides here!
yeah it has been interesting that's for sure.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
― Mae West
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skittles2004 wrote: GIVE UP!!! Insane Clown Posse lovers will ALWAYS LOVE ICP!!! Why do you think they're loved in the first place!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:-5 :-5
So you kids can make a statement? And try and shock us oldies? ahahahahahaha your so intense....
So you kids can make a statement? And try and shock us oldies? ahahahahahaha your so intense....
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
― Mae West
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Poor Skittles. So confused, so misguided. It's ok, Skittles. Maturity is just around the corner.
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skittles2004 wrote: See whats is bothering me about this Thread is that you guys always gain up on the people who do like insane clown posse. For crying out its just music. insane clown posse is just that contraversy... I'll give you a bit of history of to how they even came about (correct me if i'm wrong) ICP use to be gang members. One day they got jumped and then the next day or two they thought of the carnival of carnage which would be one of their first albums. So ICP is just another thug actually making it in this life. I"m making no sence!
ahhhh tragic starts to the music world like 50 Cent gangster gone musical. I dunno budding criminals influencing our youth, yeah I see the plus to this.... or not.
ahhhh tragic starts to the music world like 50 Cent gangster gone musical. I dunno budding criminals influencing our youth, yeah I see the plus to this.... or not.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
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Bloody hell, this is a long thread. My opinion is that its all been done before and much better by the Sex Pistols, doing the whole nihilist iconoclast thing. Young people in wealthy societies are generally dissaffected anyway mostly because of inadequate sex lives and boredom, but the vast majority get over it eventually. I think the issue of negativity in culture and the media is a much wider one than just picking out this lot or fifty cent or whoever. Its also interesting and a little disturbing that these types of artists only seem to become a problem when suburan white kids start listening to them. I think if you just took a sample of one days T.V. over 24 hours you would find plenty of disturbing things like violence, exploitation of women, drugs, drink, sexual violence, political hatreds, sterotying of people, etc etc blah blah blah. It is a bit sad that people who are basically muderous, self-glorifying morons are being touted as generational heroes, but I certainly don't think thats a reason for censoring distasteful music, its much better to just try and use counter arguemnts about why things like treating women like sex objects, self-hatred, nihilism, causual violence, race hatred, unfettered materialism, or just plain gangsterism are not in the long run not very good for your well being.
But of course there is always a line somewhere that can't get crossed.
But of course there is always a line somewhere that can't get crossed.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Calm down with the attitude. Personally I have heard Insane clown posse. I like them. My little boy listens to it and nothing has happened. My daughter listens to it and nothings happining. My older son never listened to it and he's dead. So i dont think its the music that messes up your life. I messed my own life up because i got into drugs and beer and all the "rebel" life style. Which is why skittles knows not to do anything stupid!!!
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OMG lol!
i can't believe this thread is still going. i haven't posted for months and ICP's still arc-ing up aggro. lollerz.
psst......note to all in this thread: it's not that big of a deal in the universal scheme of things. :wah:
i can't believe this thread is still going. i haven't posted for months and ICP's still arc-ing up aggro. lollerz.
psst......note to all in this thread: it's not that big of a deal in the universal scheme of things. :wah:
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Jika wrote: psst......note to all in this thread: it's not that big of a deal in the universal scheme of things. :wah:
Wake up, Jika. It's complacency like that that is degrading the family values of the entire country. It's not about the big things, it's about the little things. The millions of little things like opening doors for women, saying "please and "thank you", rising when a woman sits at a table, manners, eating together as a family, taking off hats indoors, being quiet in a theater,...the list goes on and on.
First the good manners go, then the respect goes, then the humanity, and the value of a human life. Suddenly people are killing each other over parking spaces, raping little children, and doing drive-by shootings on schools. Everyone asks each other, "what happened? Where is the peace and quality of the past?"
It's the little things that make us who we are. When we lose the little things what do we have left?
Wake up, Jika. It's complacency like that that is degrading the family values of the entire country. It's not about the big things, it's about the little things. The millions of little things like opening doors for women, saying "please and "thank you", rising when a woman sits at a table, manners, eating together as a family, taking off hats indoors, being quiet in a theater,...the list goes on and on.
First the good manners go, then the respect goes, then the humanity, and the value of a human life. Suddenly people are killing each other over parking spaces, raping little children, and doing drive-by shootings on schools. Everyone asks each other, "what happened? Where is the peace and quality of the past?"
It's the little things that make us who we are. When we lose the little things what do we have left?
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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You honestly cant take that serious!!!
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swoodie70 wrote: You honestly cant take that serious!!!
If you're referring to Jives post above yours, you can bet your bottom dollar that he does. I had planned to stay out of this thread anymmore, but after reading what he's written here, I have to jump back in and say "Bravo!!!" Jives, you have very succinctly put into words exactly what I see happening to the morals and values of this country. Thanks for giving me the words I couldn't find myself.
If you're referring to Jives post above yours, you can bet your bottom dollar that he does. I had planned to stay out of this thread anymmore, but after reading what he's written here, I have to jump back in and say "Bravo!!!" Jives, you have very succinctly put into words exactly what I see happening to the morals and values of this country. Thanks for giving me the words I couldn't find myself.
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
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Another_Juggalo wrote: Alright, a few things need to be addressed here. First off, let me say that I've been a juggalo for about.. I guess that would be almost eight years now (how time flies by).
Sorry to hear that, hear's hoping you get over that whole "puberty" thing soon. Or are you admitting that you are permanently a part of this heinous cult? I wouldn't brag about something like that, but of course you, being desensitized to hate and violence, would.
First, and foremost, ICP is a form of alternative entertainment.
I like that euphenism, "alternative entertainment", as if random stabbings, rape, death, and murder are somehow just another "lifestyle." They aren't. Right off the bat, let's get something straight. I am an expert on thsi band and it's influence on children. I have worked with "juggalos" (a take on "giggalos" male prostitutes. Say...are you a male prostitute? You don't mind if I use the original word in referring to you, do you?) for over 12 years. They do drugs, they get pregnant, they are extremely violent and proud of it.
I had three female juggalos in my class, last semester.
All three are now pregnant at the young age of 15. That's 100% teenage pregnancy rate for Juggalos, 0% rate for the rest of the entire school. Just a coincidence? I think not.
I'm well-trained in pyschology, I have three college degrees and I am triple your age. That makes my opinion not only more informed than yours, but more experienced too.
The only difference between ICP and a hollywood horror movie (or underground horror movie) is that there's the whole cult-like family bond that's developed.
You act like indocrinating young children into a cult of violence is no big deal. It is a big deal. When children emulate what they've seen in a horror movie, it's bad. When they are taught that it's all a part of "being in the family of juggalos" it's worse. ICP in their evil-hearted marketing strategy has done just that. Made it "cool" to be mean-spirited, vicious, and violent.
since you admit to being one of them, it's obvious that youur opinion can be written off as obviously slanted due to your indoctrination in the cult. You are brain-washed into believing that rape, murder, and crime is just "rebellion." It isn't. You are deluded.
So the whole "you don't understand if you're an outsider" thing holds true to a certain point.
I've seen this argument before. It seems to be the reliable fall-back for your crowd. When people point to the insidious, despicable nature of ICP's lyrics. It's impossible to stand up and say, "No, rape is OK, really!" So you and your kind always cop-out and say, "you wouldn't get it unless you're a juggalo."
Let's take another look at the band which you support so whole-heartedly:
Bitch Slappaz Lyrics
Artist(Band):ICP (Insane Clown Posse)
[Violent J]
6 in the morning police at my door
already gotta slap some more
stuck my hand out through the mail shoot
bitch slap sarge and his first recruit
Here we see you band promoting violence towards the police. You think this doesn't develop a negative attitude towards authority? You are in denial, and I'm not talking about a river in Africa.
[Blaze]
I came out the ass bitch slapped some
grade school high school bitch slap went nuts
i remember gettin baptised by the reverend
bitch slapped the bible out of his hand
Here's a slam on religion...disrespecting the Bible. Now there's a great message for youth.
[Shaggy 2 Dope]
I bitch slap wigs off everyday
i bitch slap old ladies out of my way
southwest side bitch slap capital
every bitch make more f*ckas smackable
Did I read that right? Violence not only towards strangers, but towards older WOMEN? Detestable. If you support this band, you are abhorrent.
EAT SH*T AND DIE, or f*ck off at least
F*ck pre-schoolers,
Is this a hate-song directed towards pre-schoolers? Or is it a call to molest children? I guess I missed the "hidden" message on this one. Why not translate for me?
Now the primary issue here seems to be that ICP has violently explicit music that influences kids to become juvenile delinquites and mis-behave by spraying faygo everywhere and swearing every second word.
Absolutely right. And since I've seen it happen, dont' try to belittle it or deny it.
I'd like to point out that media also tends to concentrate more often than not on stereotypes, the above being one of them.
Denial. Just calling it a stereotype doesn't mean it's not true. Stereotypes are often based on fact. I'll give you an example, "Black men are good basketball players." That's a stereotype, but it's obviously also true.
"ICP promotes vicious, anti-social behavior in youth." That one is also true.
Kids who are 12 to 14 years old will be influenced if ICP appeals to them, and they will go through some drastic behavioural changes, but what teenager doesn't?
HA! I've got you now. I knew that if you talked long enough, you come around to the same lame argument as everyone else who supports your sadistic, twisted band. "It's not that bad!"
Well, it is. There was a line in the sand that shouldn't be crossed as a society. That line is called by different names like "decency" and "modesty" and "civility." And it should NEVER be crossed.
For many years, we have been creeping closer to that line. Ozzy bit a head off a bat and people said, "it's no big deal." Along came Alice Cooper and his ilk, like Marilyn Manson, and still people said, "it's no big deal."
But now we have crossed that line. Videogames like Vice City and San Andreas teach children to shoot police and beeat up protitutes, and bands like ICP promote random violence.
Well, that's all decent people can take. This far and NO FURTHER! ICP may have an army of rabid fans, but their is a multitude of people like me that have had enough violence, rape, murder, mayhem, and chaos. We are moving in our millions to eradicate your disgusting hate music and restore respect, decency, and safety to our society.
As long as the child has good parents and has had a decent upbringing, they'll turn out perfectly fine because if they stick with listening to ICP, they'll eventually understand the message.
A nice double cop-out there. If the kid listens to this hate-filled crap, he'll be OK if he has good parents. Besides the fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold (the Columbine Killers) had good parents and it sure didn't help them, you ignore the other side of this argument, what will we do if they listen to this sick litany and become sociopathic? And from all that I've seen, it's pretty much a given that they will.
Assuming the child has had a good upbringing, then the rebellious influencial stage will last up to maybe two years at most. Looking at other children who do not listen to ICP, I've observed that their rebellious stage lasts about the same amount of time. Hmm....
So you think that two years of hate, rape, stabbings, and random violence is acceptable? I don't. And there's a big difference in your "rebellious stage." I don't see how a teenager staying out to late or drinking alcohol behind their parent's back compares to this:
10 Bodies Lyrics
Artist(Band):ICP (Insane Clown Posse)
I'm dead and lifeless
The casket maker
Soul taker, your life is Priceless
Especially on the black market
If you're alive and breathing
Then you're a moving target
Which means you can be hit
And the quickest lickity split
Lay down in the ground
Surrounded by a casket That I built
Teaching children to be serial killers?
So terror the time is
Precise when your body is separating from soul
That's where I take your life
And transform you to a ghost
And you're powerless
Body limp, like dead fish
Only choose 10, never more
Less cause that be selfish
Apparently, 10 is the right number of deaths for a serial killer. Great stuff for my grand daughter to know about. Here's some more respect for women....(P.S. Every woman in this board should be incensed by this "song")
I need a b!tch, an alcoholic
I need a bitch pukin', bent over my toilet
The bitchy bitch, bitchin' about nothin'
I need a bitch to jizm in her bellybutton
I need a bitch, a prostitute
She f*cks my homies and we could split the loot
Get the girl drunk, rape her, then steal her money. Nice.
I need a woman , to let me hit it
In the bushes raw at the herpe clinic Wah
I need a b!tch, who like to fight
And get her nose ring ripped out like every night (OW! b!tch!)
[Chorus]
[Violent J]
I need a bitch in a cheap hotel
So I don't know which one to blame for the smell
I need a bitch, that doesn't care she don't care
She like's to finger f*ck her booty in the mirror
My cherry pie, cherry pie
My cherry pie my cherry pie
with lemon jell-o cherry pie
I need a b!tch hurricanranna
A bitch who suck on d**k like eminem mama
I need a b!tch, I need a slut
I need a b!tch who like bananas in her butt
I need a b!tch now more than ever
I need a b!tch who gots a head that I can sever
I need my cherry pie
"A head that I can sever?" For you, a young man with some potential, (If we are to believe that anyone educated as you say you are could possibly stand up for that incomprehensible trash) to say that this has some kind of "message" is a sad, sad joke. Get some help, dude. Your campus should have some psychologists on staff. See one soon.
But every kid at that young age is going to find something to grasp on to. It's all part of growing up. Atleast with ICP they're going to likely get a good message in the end, rather than compared to say.. black metal bands. I know I'd much rather have my child listen to ICP than Cradle of Filth.
Ah.. ICP is the "lesser of two evils." Is that it? What a ridiculous concept. Here's some more examples based on that logic:
"My husband is cheating with the next door neighbor, but at least he's not sleeping with some whore!"
"My son is smoking crack, but at least he's not addicted to heroin."
"My daughter had been in jail four times, but at least she's never been sent to prison!"
What sheer ignorance that "logic" is.
So, the message. What is the message? The message is simply that no crime goes unpaid for, we all have to pay for our sins, life isn't always pretty, but you should make the best of it and be who you want to be.
Well, I'm glad you told me the message, because I would have completely missed it in this passage:
1) Carnival of Carnage: "Night of the Axe"
Chopping throats with a hatchet
Cuz they try to get me
So I took a head with me
Ran down the hall butt-naked
If you gotta life I'm a take, huh
2) The Amazing Jeckel Brothers: "I Stab People"
I order food just to stab the guy when he gets there,
I don't care
I stab anybody anywhere (uh, uh) there
I stabbed the mailman, he was pissed, he tried to mace me
So help me out. Where was that message in all of that? All I got was "kill and stab people randomly, it's fun!"
With in ICP's music, you will find that they cover all sorts of issues and explain why this is wrong and that is wrong, and the songs usually involve violence that punishes these people who are often going to end up in hell. No different from a hollywood movie where the bad guy dies in the end. Same thing.
Liar. I'll call you that straight to your face. I've read all of ICP's lyrics and not once do they ever involve good getting the better of evil. Go ahead, post an example of the fine uplifting ICP lyrics you speak of. Just one example of ICP stating something that is good for people and morally upright.....I'm waiting.
ICP's music is just appealing to a crowd that is into this sort of violence as entertainment
Murder as entertainment. Rape as entertainment. Random violence as entertainment. Do you even realize what you just said?
Shame on you. Your parents and your grand parents are ashamed of you too. As are your ancestors.
ICP's music is also a break away from reality. An expression of built up emotion. Some people listen to ICP so that they relieve their stress and NOT go out and blow something up or whatever.
Let us listen to violent music, or we'll be really violent? Is that a threat? I guess you learned that behavior by listening to this band, so I forgive you.
So, what is a juggalo? A juggalo is simply an ICP fan who has been touched in some way, shape, or form by ICP's music. It's touched them so that when they look back at the memories of their lives, there's a slot for ICP somewhere and they apreciate that memory and the meaning it holds to them. That's my definition anyway.
So here's my definition. A "juggalo" is a sad, violent individual, most likely suffering from severe depression due to terrible events in their lives that are drawn to a hate-band because of the internal hate, they, themselves carry with them. Their band plays to the darkest and most evil influences that mankind knows, and like all evil things, it attracts evil to itself.
"Juggalos" think they are some "new" kind of thing. But there have been many evil worshipers before them. The Inquisitors, The Satan Worshippers, The KKK, the Nazi Party, The Druids, The Pacific HeadHunters. The list goes on and on and stretches back into the mists of time.
Evil never dies, and people like you will always be drawn to it and it's message of hate. The new thing here is the ability of this evil, death-oriented, trash-spewing, hate-band to spread it's message...even to once "normal" kids ike you. It's dark and insidious.
But luckily, there are still people out there, like BabyRider, and Ladycop, and Chonsigirl, and Abbey, and Far Rider that will not only not be swayed by this garbage, but will actively fight against it.
...just as all good, decent people have done since the Dawn of Time!
Sorry to hear that, hear's hoping you get over that whole "puberty" thing soon. Or are you admitting that you are permanently a part of this heinous cult? I wouldn't brag about something like that, but of course you, being desensitized to hate and violence, would.
First, and foremost, ICP is a form of alternative entertainment.
I like that euphenism, "alternative entertainment", as if random stabbings, rape, death, and murder are somehow just another "lifestyle." They aren't. Right off the bat, let's get something straight. I am an expert on thsi band and it's influence on children. I have worked with "juggalos" (a take on "giggalos" male prostitutes. Say...are you a male prostitute? You don't mind if I use the original word in referring to you, do you?) for over 12 years. They do drugs, they get pregnant, they are extremely violent and proud of it.
I had three female juggalos in my class, last semester.
All three are now pregnant at the young age of 15. That's 100% teenage pregnancy rate for Juggalos, 0% rate for the rest of the entire school. Just a coincidence? I think not.
I'm well-trained in pyschology, I have three college degrees and I am triple your age. That makes my opinion not only more informed than yours, but more experienced too.
The only difference between ICP and a hollywood horror movie (or underground horror movie) is that there's the whole cult-like family bond that's developed.
You act like indocrinating young children into a cult of violence is no big deal. It is a big deal. When children emulate what they've seen in a horror movie, it's bad. When they are taught that it's all a part of "being in the family of juggalos" it's worse. ICP in their evil-hearted marketing strategy has done just that. Made it "cool" to be mean-spirited, vicious, and violent.
since you admit to being one of them, it's obvious that youur opinion can be written off as obviously slanted due to your indoctrination in the cult. You are brain-washed into believing that rape, murder, and crime is just "rebellion." It isn't. You are deluded.
So the whole "you don't understand if you're an outsider" thing holds true to a certain point.
I've seen this argument before. It seems to be the reliable fall-back for your crowd. When people point to the insidious, despicable nature of ICP's lyrics. It's impossible to stand up and say, "No, rape is OK, really!" So you and your kind always cop-out and say, "you wouldn't get it unless you're a juggalo."
Let's take another look at the band which you support so whole-heartedly:
Bitch Slappaz Lyrics
Artist(Band):ICP (Insane Clown Posse)
[Violent J]
6 in the morning police at my door
already gotta slap some more
stuck my hand out through the mail shoot
bitch slap sarge and his first recruit
Here we see you band promoting violence towards the police. You think this doesn't develop a negative attitude towards authority? You are in denial, and I'm not talking about a river in Africa.
[Blaze]
I came out the ass bitch slapped some
grade school high school bitch slap went nuts
i remember gettin baptised by the reverend
bitch slapped the bible out of his hand
Here's a slam on religion...disrespecting the Bible. Now there's a great message for youth.
[Shaggy 2 Dope]
I bitch slap wigs off everyday
i bitch slap old ladies out of my way
southwest side bitch slap capital
every bitch make more f*ckas smackable
Did I read that right? Violence not only towards strangers, but towards older WOMEN? Detestable. If you support this band, you are abhorrent.
EAT SH*T AND DIE, or f*ck off at least
F*ck pre-schoolers,
Is this a hate-song directed towards pre-schoolers? Or is it a call to molest children? I guess I missed the "hidden" message on this one. Why not translate for me?
Now the primary issue here seems to be that ICP has violently explicit music that influences kids to become juvenile delinquites and mis-behave by spraying faygo everywhere and swearing every second word.
Absolutely right. And since I've seen it happen, dont' try to belittle it or deny it.
I'd like to point out that media also tends to concentrate more often than not on stereotypes, the above being one of them.
Denial. Just calling it a stereotype doesn't mean it's not true. Stereotypes are often based on fact. I'll give you an example, "Black men are good basketball players." That's a stereotype, but it's obviously also true.
"ICP promotes vicious, anti-social behavior in youth." That one is also true.
Kids who are 12 to 14 years old will be influenced if ICP appeals to them, and they will go through some drastic behavioural changes, but what teenager doesn't?
HA! I've got you now. I knew that if you talked long enough, you come around to the same lame argument as everyone else who supports your sadistic, twisted band. "It's not that bad!"
Well, it is. There was a line in the sand that shouldn't be crossed as a society. That line is called by different names like "decency" and "modesty" and "civility." And it should NEVER be crossed.
For many years, we have been creeping closer to that line. Ozzy bit a head off a bat and people said, "it's no big deal." Along came Alice Cooper and his ilk, like Marilyn Manson, and still people said, "it's no big deal."
But now we have crossed that line. Videogames like Vice City and San Andreas teach children to shoot police and beeat up protitutes, and bands like ICP promote random violence.
Well, that's all decent people can take. This far and NO FURTHER! ICP may have an army of rabid fans, but their is a multitude of people like me that have had enough violence, rape, murder, mayhem, and chaos. We are moving in our millions to eradicate your disgusting hate music and restore respect, decency, and safety to our society.
As long as the child has good parents and has had a decent upbringing, they'll turn out perfectly fine because if they stick with listening to ICP, they'll eventually understand the message.
A nice double cop-out there. If the kid listens to this hate-filled crap, he'll be OK if he has good parents. Besides the fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold (the Columbine Killers) had good parents and it sure didn't help them, you ignore the other side of this argument, what will we do if they listen to this sick litany and become sociopathic? And from all that I've seen, it's pretty much a given that they will.
Assuming the child has had a good upbringing, then the rebellious influencial stage will last up to maybe two years at most. Looking at other children who do not listen to ICP, I've observed that their rebellious stage lasts about the same amount of time. Hmm....
So you think that two years of hate, rape, stabbings, and random violence is acceptable? I don't. And there's a big difference in your "rebellious stage." I don't see how a teenager staying out to late or drinking alcohol behind their parent's back compares to this:
10 Bodies Lyrics
Artist(Band):ICP (Insane Clown Posse)
I'm dead and lifeless
The casket maker
Soul taker, your life is Priceless
Especially on the black market
If you're alive and breathing
Then you're a moving target
Which means you can be hit
And the quickest lickity split
Lay down in the ground
Surrounded by a casket That I built
Teaching children to be serial killers?
So terror the time is
Precise when your body is separating from soul
That's where I take your life
And transform you to a ghost
And you're powerless
Body limp, like dead fish
Only choose 10, never more
Less cause that be selfish
Apparently, 10 is the right number of deaths for a serial killer. Great stuff for my grand daughter to know about. Here's some more respect for women....(P.S. Every woman in this board should be incensed by this "song")
I need a b!tch, an alcoholic
I need a bitch pukin', bent over my toilet
The bitchy bitch, bitchin' about nothin'
I need a bitch to jizm in her bellybutton
I need a bitch, a prostitute
She f*cks my homies and we could split the loot
Get the girl drunk, rape her, then steal her money. Nice.
I need a woman , to let me hit it
In the bushes raw at the herpe clinic Wah
I need a b!tch, who like to fight
And get her nose ring ripped out like every night (OW! b!tch!)
[Chorus]
[Violent J]
I need a bitch in a cheap hotel
So I don't know which one to blame for the smell
I need a bitch, that doesn't care she don't care
She like's to finger f*ck her booty in the mirror
My cherry pie, cherry pie
My cherry pie my cherry pie
with lemon jell-o cherry pie
I need a b!tch hurricanranna
A bitch who suck on d**k like eminem mama
I need a b!tch, I need a slut
I need a b!tch who like bananas in her butt
I need a b!tch now more than ever
I need a b!tch who gots a head that I can sever
I need my cherry pie
"A head that I can sever?" For you, a young man with some potential, (If we are to believe that anyone educated as you say you are could possibly stand up for that incomprehensible trash) to say that this has some kind of "message" is a sad, sad joke. Get some help, dude. Your campus should have some psychologists on staff. See one soon.
But every kid at that young age is going to find something to grasp on to. It's all part of growing up. Atleast with ICP they're going to likely get a good message in the end, rather than compared to say.. black metal bands. I know I'd much rather have my child listen to ICP than Cradle of Filth.
Ah.. ICP is the "lesser of two evils." Is that it? What a ridiculous concept. Here's some more examples based on that logic:
"My husband is cheating with the next door neighbor, but at least he's not sleeping with some whore!"
"My son is smoking crack, but at least he's not addicted to heroin."
"My daughter had been in jail four times, but at least she's never been sent to prison!"
What sheer ignorance that "logic" is.
So, the message. What is the message? The message is simply that no crime goes unpaid for, we all have to pay for our sins, life isn't always pretty, but you should make the best of it and be who you want to be.
Well, I'm glad you told me the message, because I would have completely missed it in this passage:
1) Carnival of Carnage: "Night of the Axe"
Chopping throats with a hatchet
Cuz they try to get me
So I took a head with me
Ran down the hall butt-naked
If you gotta life I'm a take, huh
2) The Amazing Jeckel Brothers: "I Stab People"
I order food just to stab the guy when he gets there,
I don't care
I stab anybody anywhere (uh, uh) there
I stabbed the mailman, he was pissed, he tried to mace me
So help me out. Where was that message in all of that? All I got was "kill and stab people randomly, it's fun!"
With in ICP's music, you will find that they cover all sorts of issues and explain why this is wrong and that is wrong, and the songs usually involve violence that punishes these people who are often going to end up in hell. No different from a hollywood movie where the bad guy dies in the end. Same thing.
Liar. I'll call you that straight to your face. I've read all of ICP's lyrics and not once do they ever involve good getting the better of evil. Go ahead, post an example of the fine uplifting ICP lyrics you speak of. Just one example of ICP stating something that is good for people and morally upright.....I'm waiting.
ICP's music is just appealing to a crowd that is into this sort of violence as entertainment
Murder as entertainment. Rape as entertainment. Random violence as entertainment. Do you even realize what you just said?
Shame on you. Your parents and your grand parents are ashamed of you too. As are your ancestors.
ICP's music is also a break away from reality. An expression of built up emotion. Some people listen to ICP so that they relieve their stress and NOT go out and blow something up or whatever.
Let us listen to violent music, or we'll be really violent? Is that a threat? I guess you learned that behavior by listening to this band, so I forgive you.
So, what is a juggalo? A juggalo is simply an ICP fan who has been touched in some way, shape, or form by ICP's music. It's touched them so that when they look back at the memories of their lives, there's a slot for ICP somewhere and they apreciate that memory and the meaning it holds to them. That's my definition anyway.
So here's my definition. A "juggalo" is a sad, violent individual, most likely suffering from severe depression due to terrible events in their lives that are drawn to a hate-band because of the internal hate, they, themselves carry with them. Their band plays to the darkest and most evil influences that mankind knows, and like all evil things, it attracts evil to itself.
"Juggalos" think they are some "new" kind of thing. But there have been many evil worshipers before them. The Inquisitors, The Satan Worshippers, The KKK, the Nazi Party, The Druids, The Pacific HeadHunters. The list goes on and on and stretches back into the mists of time.
Evil never dies, and people like you will always be drawn to it and it's message of hate. The new thing here is the ability of this evil, death-oriented, trash-spewing, hate-band to spread it's message...even to once "normal" kids ike you. It's dark and insidious.
But luckily, there are still people out there, like BabyRider, and Ladycop, and Chonsigirl, and Abbey, and Far Rider that will not only not be swayed by this garbage, but will actively fight against it.
...just as all good, decent people have done since the Dawn of Time!
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Another_Juggalo wrote: First, I'd like to say that you're very ignorant, insulting, and ill-assuming.
Coming from someone who stands for evil, I take that as a compliment. Thank you.
Please calm yourself and try to get rid of the hate inside of you.
All good people hate evil, what do you want me to do? Be ambivalent? Or even embrace evil as you have? Not bloody likely. Evil bands like ICP don't make the world a better place, they make it a worse one.
The attitude you have is not going to help your cause, it only encourages more rebellion from those you're speaking against.
There you go threatening again, "Don't speak out against my music or I'll get really bad!" There was a saying after WWII, "I didn't speak out against the Nazis when they came for the Jews, because I wasn't a Jew. Then, when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." All people of good conscience owe the world and it's people to speak out against the evil that this band represents.
Like I've said, I've seen first-hand the destruction and devastation this band wrecks on young lives.
Being de-sensitized isn't a bad thing. In this world of violence, emotion can be the enemy that works against you at times. desensitization isn't a bad thing, IMO.
More of your silly illogic. You mean to say that it should be "no big deal" to see people murdered on the street? You've lost that innocence of your youth. That precious view of the world that you had before you listened to this detestable "band."
Can't you keep an open mind and remember when you trusted people? When you thought love and goodness were important? When your world was full of light and life, the exact opposite of this horrible plague on humankind?
Or are you too desensitized now?
First off, no need to get personal. That's immature and uncalled for. I am not a giggalo. In fact, I'm one of the few people left who saves their viriginity for marriage. The word juggalo sprouted from the term juggla, it's only a coincidence that it rhymes with giggalo.
Nothing's a coincidence with band, here's an excerpt from the local gang police report:
Insane Clown Posse (ICP)
Primarily white membership and feared by our local Hispanic gangs.
Typically wear face make-up and clothing with band "Insane Clown Posse" displayed.
Local ICP gangs have ties with 1st generation Goths (Gothic) - Goths have been associated with animal mutilations and satanic worship.
Soo...have you mutilated any animals today? Or are you saving that for marriage too?
Sure, ICP's music doesn't help, but these people are going to exsist regardless.
Well. You finally admit it. You just admitted that ICP is a negative influence on society and on children. That negates everything you have said so far. thank you for throwing the debate. That was nice, and honest, of you.
Now...what can you and I do about eliminating this horrifying influence from our children's lives?:wah:
Your ego makes me want to vomit.
Is that more of your learned-behavior from attending these concerts? From what I read, that happens a lot there.
No, indoctrinated children like that is a big deal. But there are people and juggalos out there who work to help balance that and educate the younger juggalos. ICP may make it seem like it's cool to be mean-spirited, vicious and violent,
Again you concede my point. Thanks! So there are "nice" juggalos? What a laugh!:wah: They must be the ones who don't actually stab people and emulate their behavior....they just condone it. And that's just as bad in my book.
"The amazing maze"] by ICP
"This is Rick
We like to call him Rick the Dick
Dickface here is a wealthy entrepeneur
Who smacks his wife around
And buys his way in and out of everything
Let's see how Mr. Toughguy fairs up in the amazing maze"
Wonderful! A song about hitting women and going to Hell. What a great thing for young people to listen to all day long. I mean, everyone needs to hear about domestic violence and eternal punishment all day, don't they? You just don't get it.
I'll take "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" any day over this depressing trash.
"Confessions" by ICP
"Father, I confess for doing
I had a brain, but life had to ruin it
Dissinfected, Disected, Don't Respect It
When you put me in a cage full of animals
Savages and cold blooded canibals
I can't help but come but abouts me
try to run but they found me, surround me"
How do you think a song about a man getting killed by cannibals is good for people!? there's no message here other than, "Life sucks, then you die!" No ten year old I know needs this either.
This song is all about repenting for your sins and admitting that it's hard to stay pure when you're growing up in a world full of violence and hate.
No it isn't. this is a cynical depressing death song. Notice how the singer says, "Life had to ruin it"? Just like you, he takes no responsibility for bad behavior or negative influences.
"Halls of Illusions" by ICP
[Violent J]
"Back to reality and what you're about
Your wife can't smile cuz ya knocked her teeth out
And she can't see straight from gettin hit
Cuz you're a fat ****in drunk piece of ****
But it's all good here, come have a beer
I'll break the top off it and shove it in ya ear
And you're death comes wicked painful and slow
At tha hands of MILENKO!"
yeah, now there's really something I'd like my grand daughter to hear....NOT! Music like this doesn't address domestic violence, it glorifies it. Just like everything else this band sings about, kids listen to this filth and think it's cool.
"The Killing Fields by ICP
"As I feed off a dead pig, I'm thinking back
To when I had a heart beat, and how I would act
I would steal from the poor, I'd laugh at the sick
But in the killing fields, you get your f*cking neck ripped"
Where do you get that? All I see dead pigs, and neck ripping. More beautiful, fun stuff for children.
This is pretty self explanatory.
I agree.
.the toughest criminals and thugs
death bed...
fry in the electric chair...
they're about to die.
death.
it's time for you to f*ckin' die
Religion has left you
Life will end
Religion has left you
Life will end
Wow. You're right, they are even worse than I thought they were.
it's a story about those people being punished on judgement day (which, in this mythology, is the arrival of the Dark Carnival). Each joker's card is like a mirror where you can look at yourself and the world from a different angle, and ask yourself, am I really living a good life? Above that, there's comedy, dark comedy, silly stuff, and like any movie that involves someone getting hurt, dieing, getting shot etc. it's a form of entertainment through stories. It's only directed at a different audience.
Look at that writing, mythology and "Dark Carnivals", joker's cards and judgement day. Do you really deny you're a cultist? You've just crossed over to the "tinfoil hat" crowd. Listen. I think the mothership is leaving!
First, try and eradicate the problem of your country and how it treats it's people and the world. You do that, and then there wouldn't even be any reason for ICP to exsist.
Whoops! My theory is that if we eliminate ICP and allother forms of hate, we'll solve the other problems. Not the other way round!
I'm serious, the so called civil people out there who are blind sheep to what's REALLY going on are what let the problems in the world grow so big, and ICP is a by-product of that problem.
ICP isn't a symptom, it's the disease. You don't tell the patient to work out more to cure cancer, you cut out the tumor. ICP is a fat, bloated tumor on civilization. To save our future, we have to cut out the disease. ICP will go. You can bet on it.
Don't believe me? Just ask the parents. The ones who love their children. The ones who want a good, clean, and decent future for their children.
The lack of free minds in the world is what allows people to be controlled
Said the cult-programmed groupie.
And please don't compare it to cults like the Nazi's,
You're right. I consider them far worse. The Nazis, too, targeted the youth. They too used iconism, cultism, and propaganda tactics to sway the minds of the people. Just like you, they blamed the evil of the world on others.
But they never had the expansive reach that ICP has.
I've said it once, I'll say it again.
Serial killers like what they like....it doesn't make it good or right.
Child Molesters like what they like...it doesn't make it good or right.
Satan Worshippers like what they like.....it doesn't make it good or right.
ICP fans like what they like.... and what they like are songs about killing innocent people.
It doesn't make it good or right. Get it?
Some day, when you grow up and have children of your own, you'll laugh at the fact that you ever thought this stuff was cool. You find it amusing that you were ever so delusional.
Moreover, you won't let your kids get exposed to terrible negativity like this...and that makes you a hypocrite. You just don't know it yet.
Coming from someone who stands for evil, I take that as a compliment. Thank you.
Please calm yourself and try to get rid of the hate inside of you.
All good people hate evil, what do you want me to do? Be ambivalent? Or even embrace evil as you have? Not bloody likely. Evil bands like ICP don't make the world a better place, they make it a worse one.
The attitude you have is not going to help your cause, it only encourages more rebellion from those you're speaking against.
There you go threatening again, "Don't speak out against my music or I'll get really bad!" There was a saying after WWII, "I didn't speak out against the Nazis when they came for the Jews, because I wasn't a Jew. Then, when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." All people of good conscience owe the world and it's people to speak out against the evil that this band represents.
Like I've said, I've seen first-hand the destruction and devastation this band wrecks on young lives.
Being de-sensitized isn't a bad thing. In this world of violence, emotion can be the enemy that works against you at times. desensitization isn't a bad thing, IMO.
More of your silly illogic. You mean to say that it should be "no big deal" to see people murdered on the street? You've lost that innocence of your youth. That precious view of the world that you had before you listened to this detestable "band."
Can't you keep an open mind and remember when you trusted people? When you thought love and goodness were important? When your world was full of light and life, the exact opposite of this horrible plague on humankind?
Or are you too desensitized now?
First off, no need to get personal. That's immature and uncalled for. I am not a giggalo. In fact, I'm one of the few people left who saves their viriginity for marriage. The word juggalo sprouted from the term juggla, it's only a coincidence that it rhymes with giggalo.
Nothing's a coincidence with band, here's an excerpt from the local gang police report:
Insane Clown Posse (ICP)
Primarily white membership and feared by our local Hispanic gangs.
Typically wear face make-up and clothing with band "Insane Clown Posse" displayed.
Local ICP gangs have ties with 1st generation Goths (Gothic) - Goths have been associated with animal mutilations and satanic worship.
Soo...have you mutilated any animals today? Or are you saving that for marriage too?
Sure, ICP's music doesn't help, but these people are going to exsist regardless.
Well. You finally admit it. You just admitted that ICP is a negative influence on society and on children. That negates everything you have said so far. thank you for throwing the debate. That was nice, and honest, of you.
Now...what can you and I do about eliminating this horrifying influence from our children's lives?:wah:
Your ego makes me want to vomit.
Is that more of your learned-behavior from attending these concerts? From what I read, that happens a lot there.
No, indoctrinated children like that is a big deal. But there are people and juggalos out there who work to help balance that and educate the younger juggalos. ICP may make it seem like it's cool to be mean-spirited, vicious and violent,
Again you concede my point. Thanks! So there are "nice" juggalos? What a laugh!:wah: They must be the ones who don't actually stab people and emulate their behavior....they just condone it. And that's just as bad in my book.
"The amazing maze"] by ICP
"This is Rick
We like to call him Rick the Dick
Dickface here is a wealthy entrepeneur
Who smacks his wife around
And buys his way in and out of everything
Let's see how Mr. Toughguy fairs up in the amazing maze"
Wonderful! A song about hitting women and going to Hell. What a great thing for young people to listen to all day long. I mean, everyone needs to hear about domestic violence and eternal punishment all day, don't they? You just don't get it.
I'll take "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" any day over this depressing trash.
"Confessions" by ICP
"Father, I confess for doing
I had a brain, but life had to ruin it
Dissinfected, Disected, Don't Respect It
When you put me in a cage full of animals
Savages and cold blooded canibals
I can't help but come but abouts me
try to run but they found me, surround me"
How do you think a song about a man getting killed by cannibals is good for people!? there's no message here other than, "Life sucks, then you die!" No ten year old I know needs this either.
This song is all about repenting for your sins and admitting that it's hard to stay pure when you're growing up in a world full of violence and hate.
No it isn't. this is a cynical depressing death song. Notice how the singer says, "Life had to ruin it"? Just like you, he takes no responsibility for bad behavior or negative influences.
"Halls of Illusions" by ICP
[Violent J]
"Back to reality and what you're about
Your wife can't smile cuz ya knocked her teeth out
And she can't see straight from gettin hit
Cuz you're a fat ****in drunk piece of ****
But it's all good here, come have a beer
I'll break the top off it and shove it in ya ear
And you're death comes wicked painful and slow
At tha hands of MILENKO!"
yeah, now there's really something I'd like my grand daughter to hear....NOT! Music like this doesn't address domestic violence, it glorifies it. Just like everything else this band sings about, kids listen to this filth and think it's cool.
"The Killing Fields by ICP
"As I feed off a dead pig, I'm thinking back
To when I had a heart beat, and how I would act
I would steal from the poor, I'd laugh at the sick
But in the killing fields, you get your f*cking neck ripped"
Where do you get that? All I see dead pigs, and neck ripping. More beautiful, fun stuff for children.
This is pretty self explanatory.
I agree.
.the toughest criminals and thugs
death bed...
fry in the electric chair...
they're about to die.
death.
it's time for you to f*ckin' die
Religion has left you
Life will end
Religion has left you
Life will end
Wow. You're right, they are even worse than I thought they were.
it's a story about those people being punished on judgement day (which, in this mythology, is the arrival of the Dark Carnival). Each joker's card is like a mirror where you can look at yourself and the world from a different angle, and ask yourself, am I really living a good life? Above that, there's comedy, dark comedy, silly stuff, and like any movie that involves someone getting hurt, dieing, getting shot etc. it's a form of entertainment through stories. It's only directed at a different audience.
Look at that writing, mythology and "Dark Carnivals", joker's cards and judgement day. Do you really deny you're a cultist? You've just crossed over to the "tinfoil hat" crowd. Listen. I think the mothership is leaving!
First, try and eradicate the problem of your country and how it treats it's people and the world. You do that, and then there wouldn't even be any reason for ICP to exsist.
Whoops! My theory is that if we eliminate ICP and allother forms of hate, we'll solve the other problems. Not the other way round!
I'm serious, the so called civil people out there who are blind sheep to what's REALLY going on are what let the problems in the world grow so big, and ICP is a by-product of that problem.
ICP isn't a symptom, it's the disease. You don't tell the patient to work out more to cure cancer, you cut out the tumor. ICP is a fat, bloated tumor on civilization. To save our future, we have to cut out the disease. ICP will go. You can bet on it.
Don't believe me? Just ask the parents. The ones who love their children. The ones who want a good, clean, and decent future for their children.
The lack of free minds in the world is what allows people to be controlled
Said the cult-programmed groupie.
And please don't compare it to cults like the Nazi's,
You're right. I consider them far worse. The Nazis, too, targeted the youth. They too used iconism, cultism, and propaganda tactics to sway the minds of the people. Just like you, they blamed the evil of the world on others.
But they never had the expansive reach that ICP has.
I've said it once, I'll say it again.
Serial killers like what they like....it doesn't make it good or right.
Child Molesters like what they like...it doesn't make it good or right.
Satan Worshippers like what they like.....it doesn't make it good or right.
ICP fans like what they like.... and what they like are songs about killing innocent people.
It doesn't make it good or right. Get it?
Some day, when you grow up and have children of your own, you'll laugh at the fact that you ever thought this stuff was cool. You find it amusing that you were ever so delusional.
Moreover, you won't let your kids get exposed to terrible negativity like this...and that makes you a hypocrite. You just don't know it yet.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
Are YOU down with the Clown?
I wanna add my 2 cents here on the interpretation or misinterpretation of the ICP songs.
Another, you say the one song is about repenting your sins, where as Jives interprets it literally. Herein lies the problem... many many many young people interpret words literally so therefore the message is corrupting. Many young people are too young to "read deeper meaning" into these styles of music. Then they go around spouting off exactly the filth they hear in music and soon they are believing in the "literal" meaning.
Another, you say the one song is about repenting your sins, where as Jives interprets it literally. Herein lies the problem... many many many young people interpret words literally so therefore the message is corrupting. Many young people are too young to "read deeper meaning" into these styles of music. Then they go around spouting off exactly the filth they hear in music and soon they are believing in the "literal" meaning.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
― Mae West
― Mae West
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Another_Juggalo wrote: I agree, which is why I believe ICP is should be for a slightly older audience. I recall Jives saying something about ten year olds.. uh.. ten year olds? You gotta be kidding me. If ten year olds are listening to ICP, then that's something I don't support.
Anyhow, I'm not going to continue argueing with Jives, I know his type, and there will be no way of swaying his opinion because he loves to twist words around and see things the way he wants to see them to prove what he believes in (regardless of weather it's right or wrong). That same attitude also does not allow consideration of the opposing person's point of view. Having the closed mind that develops when you get older doesn't help either. But to everyone else, the point I want to make is that things in this thread regarding ICP have been taken way too out of context. Both myself and Jives are going to be spewing propaganda based on our views, so consider them both and then form your own opinion based on what you think and what you've experienced. Also, try and form your own interpretations of the lyrical excerpts I posted. Just try and recognise the metaphors and symbolism used, instead of taking everything so literal and blowing it out of context.
But jeez Jives, you'd think at your age that you would've grown out of personal attacks and name calling, as scribbled all over your post (I stand for evil? I don't think love and goodness are important? Who the hell do you think you are man?). Ah well, I guess some people never grow up. Atleast not on the internet, anyway.
Last thing I'd like to say is, in regards to the desensitized stuff, is that in the situation where you would watch someone get shot on the street, it is a big deal, but being desensitized would to a point help you control your emotions and act rationally in such a situation, rather than blindly out of fear and horror.
You can't control the audience for TV, movies, music, or internet. You can in your own home but when the kids go outside the home....Good luck, so to prevent 10 year olds from listening or viewing crap what is there left to do???? Think about it.....
As for closed minds and age, that is incorrect, with age brings wisdom, as we age we don't get closed minded, we gain wisdom and have experienced way more and can form some educated opinions as we have persay "been there done that" We have been around long enough to see results. In Jives defence he deals with kids, damaged kids, kids who have been influenced by everything imaginable. I don't think putting him down about his opinions is right. They are opinions from his experiences. You know the old saying, "until you walk a mile in a mans shoes...."
I think he allowed an opposing point of view, you were not banned. Again I state he posted his opinion. As you did. Opinions are just that, your thoughts and points of view. We all got them, we can all post them.
Don't get to wrapped up in a posting. You state the name calling.... perhaps it was just the way you interpreted it....
Have a happy holiday
Cheers
Minks
Anyhow, I'm not going to continue argueing with Jives, I know his type, and there will be no way of swaying his opinion because he loves to twist words around and see things the way he wants to see them to prove what he believes in (regardless of weather it's right or wrong). That same attitude also does not allow consideration of the opposing person's point of view. Having the closed mind that develops when you get older doesn't help either. But to everyone else, the point I want to make is that things in this thread regarding ICP have been taken way too out of context. Both myself and Jives are going to be spewing propaganda based on our views, so consider them both and then form your own opinion based on what you think and what you've experienced. Also, try and form your own interpretations of the lyrical excerpts I posted. Just try and recognise the metaphors and symbolism used, instead of taking everything so literal and blowing it out of context.
But jeez Jives, you'd think at your age that you would've grown out of personal attacks and name calling, as scribbled all over your post (I stand for evil? I don't think love and goodness are important? Who the hell do you think you are man?). Ah well, I guess some people never grow up. Atleast not on the internet, anyway.
Last thing I'd like to say is, in regards to the desensitized stuff, is that in the situation where you would watch someone get shot on the street, it is a big deal, but being desensitized would to a point help you control your emotions and act rationally in such a situation, rather than blindly out of fear and horror.
You can't control the audience for TV, movies, music, or internet. You can in your own home but when the kids go outside the home....Good luck, so to prevent 10 year olds from listening or viewing crap what is there left to do???? Think about it.....
As for closed minds and age, that is incorrect, with age brings wisdom, as we age we don't get closed minded, we gain wisdom and have experienced way more and can form some educated opinions as we have persay "been there done that" We have been around long enough to see results. In Jives defence he deals with kids, damaged kids, kids who have been influenced by everything imaginable. I don't think putting him down about his opinions is right. They are opinions from his experiences. You know the old saying, "until you walk a mile in a mans shoes...."
I think he allowed an opposing point of view, you were not banned. Again I state he posted his opinion. As you did. Opinions are just that, your thoughts and points of view. We all got them, we can all post them.
Don't get to wrapped up in a posting. You state the name calling.... perhaps it was just the way you interpreted it....
Have a happy holiday
Cheers
Minks
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
― Mae West
― Mae West
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Here's the basic background behind ICP and their works. Don't try clicking the links, they don't work.
Biographyby John BushInsane Clown Posse are a cartoonish metal/rap band with a vaunted live show that featured open fires, chainsaws, liters of soda dousing the audience (Faygo being the group's favorite brand), and more emphasis on performance art than the performance of music. In the world of the late '90s, that was more than enough to get them a recording contract with a major label, though the release of their 1997 album The Great Milenko came with a bit of controversy. Now just a duo, ICP were originally formed in 1989 as a hardcore Detroit rap group called Inner City Posse. After combusting in 1991, the only members left, Violent J (born Joseph Bruce) and Shaggy 2 Dope (born Joseph Utsler), slightly altered the name to reflect the fact that they had been visited by the Carnival Spirit, which ordered them to carry word of the impending apocalypse by touring the nation and releasing six "Joker Cards" (popularly known as LPs) with successive revelations of the final judgment. The first, Carnival of Carnage, appeared in 1992 on their own Psychopathic Records label. The group became notorious in Detroit's underground scene, but several tours around the region failed to ignite much more than the rage of area leaders. After the release of 1994's The Ringmaster, ICP began to get a bit of attention as a possible follower of cartoon metal bands like Gwar and Green Jelly. Jive Records signed the group and released The Riddle Box in 1995, but the record bombed and ICP returned to the ranks of the indies. Just one year later, Hollywood Records gambled on the band and spent more than one million dollars while ICP recorded their new album, The Great Milenko. On the day of release in 1997, however, Hollywood pulled the record, citing obscene lyrics and gruesome content  possibly a move by its owner, Disney, to deflect criticism of its practices by the Southern Baptist Federation. In a bizarre twist, yet another major label, Island Records, stepped in to release the album and capitalize on the notoriety ICP had garnered. That notoriety only increased thanks to several incidents that kept them in the headlines: J was arrested after clubbing an audience member with his microphone in late 1997, and shortly thereafter, the group's tour bus ran off the road, leaving J with a concussion. Next, the group and their entourage were involved in a brawl at a Waffle House in Indiana, and both members eventually pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct charges. All the chaos took its toll, as J suffered a panic attack in April 1998 while on-stage in Minnesota. However, all of the publicity helped expand the group's cult following to the point where their next album, the 1999 concept record The Amazing Jeckel Brothers, debuted in the Top Five. As evidenced by the numerous different collectible covers for The Amazing Jeckel Brothers, ICP had become a virtual merchandising machine, complete with comic books to flesh out their elaborate "Dark Carnival" mythology; they also wrote and starred in their own straight-to-video movie, Big Money Hustlas, and made guest appearances at wrestling events. The group spent the summer of 1999 bickering with various tourmates (Coal Chamber in particular), and played at the ill-fated Woodstock '99. Early in 2000, Shaggy collapsed on-stage, but the cause was deemed to be nothing more than a combination of the flu and low blood sugar; however, while staging a wrestling event several months later, Shaggy fell off of a steel cage, breaking his nose and cheekbone. Still, ICP managed to make it into the studio to record a follow-up album, and Big Money Hustlas was finally released that summer. On Halloween 2000, the group issued their sixth album, which apparently did not count (as all the other albums had) as a "joker card" (in the ICP fantasy world, the sixth joker card was supposed to signal the apocalypse). Similar to Guns N' Roses' Use Your Illusion, the album was released in two completely different, separate versions, titled Bizzar and Bizaar. Finally needing to live up to the years of hype, 2002's The Wraith: Shangri-La revealed that the hidden message of their music was always to follow God and make it to heaven. Considering the murder fantasies of "Beverly Kills 50187" and the necrophilic overtones of "Cemetary Girl," this may have been a shock to long-time fans. In August 2004 the band released the sixth and final joker card, Hell's Pit, in two separate editions. Both had the same CD but were packed with differnt DVDs. But the Dark Carnival wasn't fully shuttered. Spring 2005 found ICP hyping a new direction for the mythology, to be revealed with the May release of Calm. The EP also prepped Insane Clown Posse's devoted fan base for the sixth annual Gathering of the Juggalos that July.
Biographyby John BushInsane Clown Posse are a cartoonish metal/rap band with a vaunted live show that featured open fires, chainsaws, liters of soda dousing the audience (Faygo being the group's favorite brand), and more emphasis on performance art than the performance of music. In the world of the late '90s, that was more than enough to get them a recording contract with a major label, though the release of their 1997 album The Great Milenko came with a bit of controversy. Now just a duo, ICP were originally formed in 1989 as a hardcore Detroit rap group called Inner City Posse. After combusting in 1991, the only members left, Violent J (born Joseph Bruce) and Shaggy 2 Dope (born Joseph Utsler), slightly altered the name to reflect the fact that they had been visited by the Carnival Spirit, which ordered them to carry word of the impending apocalypse by touring the nation and releasing six "Joker Cards" (popularly known as LPs) with successive revelations of the final judgment. The first, Carnival of Carnage, appeared in 1992 on their own Psychopathic Records label. The group became notorious in Detroit's underground scene, but several tours around the region failed to ignite much more than the rage of area leaders. After the release of 1994's The Ringmaster, ICP began to get a bit of attention as a possible follower of cartoon metal bands like Gwar and Green Jelly. Jive Records signed the group and released The Riddle Box in 1995, but the record bombed and ICP returned to the ranks of the indies. Just one year later, Hollywood Records gambled on the band and spent more than one million dollars while ICP recorded their new album, The Great Milenko. On the day of release in 1997, however, Hollywood pulled the record, citing obscene lyrics and gruesome content  possibly a move by its owner, Disney, to deflect criticism of its practices by the Southern Baptist Federation. In a bizarre twist, yet another major label, Island Records, stepped in to release the album and capitalize on the notoriety ICP had garnered. That notoriety only increased thanks to several incidents that kept them in the headlines: J was arrested after clubbing an audience member with his microphone in late 1997, and shortly thereafter, the group's tour bus ran off the road, leaving J with a concussion. Next, the group and their entourage were involved in a brawl at a Waffle House in Indiana, and both members eventually pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct charges. All the chaos took its toll, as J suffered a panic attack in April 1998 while on-stage in Minnesota. However, all of the publicity helped expand the group's cult following to the point where their next album, the 1999 concept record The Amazing Jeckel Brothers, debuted in the Top Five. As evidenced by the numerous different collectible covers for The Amazing Jeckel Brothers, ICP had become a virtual merchandising machine, complete with comic books to flesh out their elaborate "Dark Carnival" mythology; they also wrote and starred in their own straight-to-video movie, Big Money Hustlas, and made guest appearances at wrestling events. The group spent the summer of 1999 bickering with various tourmates (Coal Chamber in particular), and played at the ill-fated Woodstock '99. Early in 2000, Shaggy collapsed on-stage, but the cause was deemed to be nothing more than a combination of the flu and low blood sugar; however, while staging a wrestling event several months later, Shaggy fell off of a steel cage, breaking his nose and cheekbone. Still, ICP managed to make it into the studio to record a follow-up album, and Big Money Hustlas was finally released that summer. On Halloween 2000, the group issued their sixth album, which apparently did not count (as all the other albums had) as a "joker card" (in the ICP fantasy world, the sixth joker card was supposed to signal the apocalypse). Similar to Guns N' Roses' Use Your Illusion, the album was released in two completely different, separate versions, titled Bizzar and Bizaar. Finally needing to live up to the years of hype, 2002's The Wraith: Shangri-La revealed that the hidden message of their music was always to follow God and make it to heaven. Considering the murder fantasies of "Beverly Kills 50187" and the necrophilic overtones of "Cemetary Girl," this may have been a shock to long-time fans. In August 2004 the band released the sixth and final joker card, Hell's Pit, in two separate editions. Both had the same CD but were packed with differnt DVDs. But the Dark Carnival wasn't fully shuttered. Spring 2005 found ICP hyping a new direction for the mythology, to be revealed with the May release of Calm. The EP also prepped Insane Clown Posse's devoted fan base for the sixth annual Gathering of the Juggalos that July.