How To Get To Heaven When You Die

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:49 pm

God hates you, Frodo. You're a stumbling block. There are people across the world permanently closing their ears to the message solely because of your cack-handed parody of evangelism.

I've been a Christian evangelist for the last quarter of a century and an occasional preacher when the need arises. Open-air shyster bully-team ranters shouting hell-fire and (worse yet) love for the repenting sinner at passers-by, along with dormitory raids targeting students at their most vulnerable, are a demonic bane and you fit firmly into both categories. Go silently to anyone who can heal you. Start with a certified minister in a respectable denomination and be prepared to apologize.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:22 pm

spot;1351327 wrote: God hates you, Frodo. You're a stumbling block. There are people across the world permanently closing their ears to the message solely because of your cack-handed parody of evangelism.

I've been a Christian evangelist for the last quarter of a century and an occasional preacher when the need arises. Open-air shyster bully-team ranters shouting hell-fire and (worse yet) love for the repenting sinner at passers-by, along with dormitory raids targeting students at their most vulnerable, are a demonic bane and you fit firmly into both categories. Go silently to anyone who can heal you. Start with a certified minister in a respectable denomination and be prepared to apologize.

First of all, just by the ignorant first statement, I know that you're ignorant. God doesn't HATE anyone. You are a LIAR. You sound like one of those Westboro Baptist nuts. (They aren't true baptists).

I've been studying the bible all of my life, so if you want to exchange bible verses on this, please lets. If you're an evangelist, you're not a very good one. God called me into this so YOU answer to Him. My concience is clear. I haven't heard you warn anyone of the realities of what's going to happen to them if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. I see, you tell them by not telling them...(brilliant). I think people need to know the TRUTH, not some milk toast watered down theology. I didn't see you vote in the poll admitting that you were a Christian. Since Jesus preached on hell and spoke of it more than heaven, I think it's appropriate to follow His example rather than your "witness without telling" example. So, to lead someone out of an eternity in hell and toward Christ is demonic? No sir. For you to hinder the gospel and others from coming to Christ by saying these things is demonic. YOU are the one who needs to repent to God and ask forgiveness. You say that you're a Christian? How do you define a true "Christian"? What is salvation to you?

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:43 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1352138 wrote: First of all, just by the ignorant first statement, I know that you're ignorant. God doesn't HATE anyone. You are a LIAR. You sound like one of those Westboro Baptist nuts. (They aren't true baptists).

I've been studying the bible all of my life, so if you want to exchange bible verses on this, please lets. If you're an evangelist, you're not a very good one. God called me into this so YOU answer to Him. My concience is clear. I haven't heard you warn anyone of the realities of what's going to happen to them if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. I see, you tell them by not telling them...(brilliant). I think people need to know the TRUTH, not some milk toast watered down theology. I didn't see you vote in the poll admitting that you were a Christian. Since Jesus preached on hell and spoke of it more than heaven, I think it's appropriate to follow His example rather than your "witness without telling" example. So, to lead someone out of an eternity in hell and toward Christ is demonic? No sir. For you to hinder the gospel and others from coming to Christ by saying these things is demonic. YOU are the one who needs to repent to God and ask forgiveness. You say that you're a Christian? How do you define a true "Christian"? What is salvation to you?

I think as a non-Christian I much prefer to befrend the lead by example Christians that spreads Christianity by doing well, and well by the people around them and actually following the ideals of the Bible,

instead of the ((shove down your throat copy/past in all imaginable places Crusading you have to do this or you will go too hell which is really really bad, because an invisible being told a guy who may or may-not exist to say so, and another guy who may or may-not be the same guy [we don't really know] wrote it down, but what he wrote down has been changed/modified/added, and stretched, though that doesn't matter because the invisible being that is supposed perfect decided he wanted to change his mind here and there and told new people [we take their word for this] that it was alright to alter the words the other guy wrote down that this invisible being told him to write down. Why a perfect being will change its mind we don't know, but we don't question it because it is perfect. If these guys who herd this perfect being are perfect to and perfectly interpreted what the perfect being wanted to convey [we're just going to have to assume that is a yes])) christian.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:34 pm

littleCJelkton;1352223 wrote: I think as a non-Christian I much prefer to befrend the lead by example Christians that spreads Christianity by doing well, and well by the people around them and actually following the ideals of the Bible,

instead of the ((shove down your throat copy/past in all imaginable places Crusading you have to do this or you will go too hell which is really really bad, because an invisible being told a guy who may or may-not exist to say so, and another guy who may or may-not be the same guy [we don't really know] wrote it down, but what he wrote down has been changed/modified/added, and stretched, though that doesn't matter because the invisible being that is supposed perfect decided he wanted to change his mind here and there and told new people [we take their word for this] that it was alright to alter the words the other guy wrote down that this invisible being told him to write down. Why a perfect being will change its mind we don't know, but we don't question it because it is perfect. If these guys who herd this perfect being are perfect to and perfectly interpreted what the perfect being wanted to convey [we're just going to have to assume that is a yes])) christian.

We lead by example, yes. Jesus and His disciples preached this same gospel that offends you everywhere they went. Why do you think He was crucified? Why do you suppose that 11 out of 12 of His disciples were killed for their faith? It's because the gospel is offensive by nature. It's not really meant to, but it just is by nature. People don't like to be told that they are bad or going to hell, but that's the sad reality for all of us. Why do you think Jesus came to earth? Jesus came to die on the cross in the first place for You and I to be able to obtain a legal Pardon with God for our sins. All we have to do is tell Him that we accept the pardon that Jesus offers us freely and it will be given to us. How is that anything short of loving? If you saw a blindman heading for a cliff, wouldn't the loving thing to do be to warn Him? What if the man said, You're just being hateful!! There's no cliff!!! That's the way it really is in reality for those who don't accept the pardon that Jesus Provided through His death and resurrection. Jesus was God in the flesh, so God did show Himself to the world. God isn't invisible. He reveals Himself in numerous ways everywhere you look. No one altered the words of the bible. You need to do your research on the origins of the biblical canon. It's truly amazing how it fits together, how it was written and how it has been preserved.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:26 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1352226 wrote: We lead by example, yes. Jesus and His disciples preached this same gospel that offends you everywhere they went. Why do you think He was crucified? Why do you suppose that 11 out of 12 of His disciples were killed for their faith? It's because the gospel is offensive by nature. It's not really meant to, but it just is by nature. People don't like to be told that they are bad or going to hell, but that's the sad reality for all of us. Why do you think Jesus came to earth? Jesus came to die on the cross in the first place for You and I to be able to obtain a legal Pardon with God for our sins. All we have to do is tell Him that we accept the pardon that Jesus offers us freely and it will be given to us. How is that anything short of loving? If you saw a blindman heading for a cliff, wouldn't the loving thing to do be to warn Him? What if the man said, You're just being hateful!! There's no cliff!!! That's the way it really is in reality for those who don't accept the pardon that Jesus Provided through His death and resurrection. Jesus was God in the flesh, so God did show Himself to the world. God isn't invisible. He reveals Himself in numerous ways everywhere you look. No one altered the words of the bible. You need to do your research on the origins of the biblical canon. It's truly amazing how it fits together, how it was written and how it has been preserved.

You are hilarious. For a christian you have a very poor understanding about it if this is all you are going to is spout as if you are doing me some kind of favor by being preachy instead of actually getting out there and helping blind men stay away from cliffs. Not that I care but it is real stupid for a perfect god to put blind men so close to cliffs anyway.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:05 pm

I see, I don't know because I study the bible and you don't? I've told you the truth through God's word. Look it up for yourself.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:10 pm

I found a doorway to heaven. It's right next to the one that leads to John Malkovich's brain. I'm not keen on giving away the location as it's kind of a scary place and I'd hate to feel responsible for anyone losing their mind.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:27 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1353418 wrote: I see, I don't know because I study the bible and you don't? I've told you the truth through God's word. Look it up for yourself.

How do you know the truth of god's word isn't god's word the truth? or does god tell lies? why would you know the truth and I wouldnt about the exact same thing. If god said save a blind man from a cliff how can you interpret that any better then me or Koan, of Ahso or , Baghdad bob, or Lon, or Spot, or Hitler, or Einstien, or George Washington? Thats the other problem with you nuts from christianity just because I don't believe in the bible doesn't mean i haven't read it, I mean if you read Mein Kampf you don't necessarily agree with Hitler, the most right staunch conservative person out ther could still read the audacity of hope. You say you study the bible, but you are pretty horrible at showing it where did you learn you studing tactics under the current american educational system?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:53 pm

littleCJelkton;1353420 wrote: How do you know the truth of god's word isn't god's word the truth? or does god tell lies? why would you know the truth and I wouldnt about the exact same thing. If god said save a blind man from a cliff how can you interpret that any better then me or Koan, of Ahso or , Baghdad bob, or Lon, or Spot, or Hitler, or Einstien, or George Washington? Thats the other problem with you nuts from christianity just because I don't believe in the bible doesn't mean i haven't read it, I mean if you read Mein Kampf you don't necessarily agree with Hitler, the most right staunch conservative person out ther could still read the audacity of hope. You say you study the bible, but you are pretty horrible at showing it where did you learn you studing tactics under the current american educational system?

Because I've studied it and there are more reasons than I can count. No God never lies. I can tell by your unbelief that you don't know the truth. Had you researched it enough you would come to an understanding that God is real and so is His word. The blind man falling off the cliff is you and others like you who are in eternal danger, yet won't believe the message of salvation. The koran is easily disproven since it was written by one man mohammad hundreds of years after the events and contradicts all of the eyewitness testimonies given in the bible from Christs time and secular history as well. There is no other book like the bible. Although America is the greatest country on earth, I don't study it through the education system, I studied it through classes, church, books and my own personal study.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:08 am

xfrodobagginsx;1354134 wrote: Because I've studied it and there are more reasons than I can count. No God never lies. I can tell by your unbelief that you don't know the truth. Had you researched it enough you would come to an understanding that God is real and so is His word. The blind man falling off the cliff is you and others like you who are in eternal danger, yet won't believe the message of salvation. The koran is easily disproven since it was written by one man mohammad hundreds of years after the events and contradicts all of the eyewitness testimonies given in the bible from Christs time and secular history as well. There is no other book like the bible. Although America is the greatest country on earth, I don't study it through the education system, I studied it through classes, church, books and my own personal study.

Real good it took you 2 months to come up with the same B.S you are spouting out two months ago. Just because you study the subject of 1+1=4 doesn't mean 1+1=4 is truth. So tell me again (you might need more than 2 months this time) how you know what you study is the word of truth. You still haven't given me a reason why a perfect god is making these blind man and pointing them towards cliffs. You are still showing more and more to me and others on here that even though you say you study the bible you either are not studying it very well or can not equate that knowledge to a practice that utilizes the knowledge you are studying. The real ignorance with your argument is you study a work of fiction sprinkled with specks of real events and say since you study it that now makes the entire thing all fictional books that make up the bible non-fiction.

SnakeDoctor · Post by **SnakeDoctor** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:39 am

What if Hitler prayed that prayer just before he died, does he go to Heaven? Is Hitler in Heaven?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:02 am

If Hitler GENUINELY repented to Christ for Salvation in His heart, yes God is Powerful enough to save even Hitler. Paul who wrote much of the New Testiment was a murderer of Christians before he became a Christian and God forgave him. Also, a better question would be what if Mohammad or Buddah repented on their deathbed would they be saved, since, those men murdered not the physical body, but the very SOUL of BILLIONS of people. They will have a much worse hell then Hitler could even dream of if they don't repent.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:26 am

xfrodobagginsx;1354513 wrote: If Hitler GENUINELY repented to Christ for Salvation in His heart, yes God is Powerful enough to save even Hitler. Paul who wrote much of the New Testiment was a murderer of Christians before he became a Christian and God forgave him. Also, a better question would be what if Mohammad or Buddah repented on their deathbed would they be saved, since, those men murdered not the physical body, but the very SOUL of BILLIONS of people. They will have a much worse hell then Hitler could even dream of if they don't repent.

Buddhism was around way before Christianity was even a concept like 500 years before what the hell are you talking about?

Siddhartha Gautama found Buddhism around 460 B.C in a part of the world that had little to no idea about the western cultures and philosophies especially those of a minor sect of Judaism which at the time was a minor religion in that part of the world to the Pantheon of the Roman's. Jesus didn't really establish Christianity until between 20-30 A.D. that is like almost 500 years after Buddha if anything over that time Buddha's philosophies could of made it to Jerusalem by then and influenced Jesus.

If your going to talk about other religions study about them a little first and, learn to spell Buddha right you got Mohammad's name right. Though you Christian's know his name well being you've been battling them both literally and spiritually for years.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:31 pm

littleCJelkton;1354548 wrote: Buddhism was around way before Christianity was even a concept like 500 years before what the hell are you talking about?

Christianity came out of Judaism. Remember that Adam lived to be over 900 years old. He had first hand knowledge of God. He lived at the same time as Noah's father. Noah lived over 900 years. By the time Judaism came there was very little time where there wasn't first and second hand knowledge of God. Also, God spoke to prophets in those days. Noah was a prophet as well.

Siddhartha Gautama found Buddhism around 460 B.C in a part of the world that had little to no idea about the western cultures and philosophies especially those of a minor sect of Judaism which at the time was a minor religion in that part of the world to the Pantheon of the Roman's. Jesus didn't really establish Christianity until between 20-30 A.D. that is like almost 500 years after Buddha if anything over that time Buddha's philosophies could of made it to Jerusalem by then and influenced Jesus.

Judaism was around way before that. It goes back at least 4,000 years. That's way before Buddism was even thought of.

If your going to talk about other religions study about them a little first and, learn to spell Buddha right you got Mohammad's name right. Though you Christian's know his name well being you've been battling them both literally and spiritually for years.

We don't merely battle buddism. We battle all false religion. We have the truth, the Bible.

My response is in bold above.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:32 am

What are you talking about you obviousley have no clue I would look up your actual history, obviously if you going to go out of context of jews and consider the start of christianity Judiasm then in that context Buddhism is still way older being it derived from Hinduism wich is way older than judiasm.

As for the second statement you need to read it again it was in reference to chiristianty as a whole having a constant battle with islam which is why you could spell there prophet's name right but not Buddha you still spelled Buddhism wrong in you response too.

Your have not only shown your complete ignorance in any thing religious other than christianity, but your what you have knowledge of in christianity is pick and choose and spotty so do your homework so you actually can make some sense both logicially and spiritually as you have failed to as of yet.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:06 pm

littleCJelkton;1355959 wrote: What are you talking about you obviousley have no clue I would look up your actual history, obviously if you going to go out of context of jews and consider the start of christianity Judiasm then in that context Buddhism is still way older being it derived from Hinduism wich is way older than judiasm.

As for the second statement you need to read it again it was in reference to chiristianty as a whole having a constant battle with islam which is why you could spell there prophet's name right but not Buddha you still spelled Buddhism wrong in you response too.

Your have not only shown your complete ignorance in any thing religious other than christianity, but your what you have knowledge of in christianity is pick and choose and spotty so do your homework so you actually can make some sense both logicially and spiritually as you have failed to as of yet.

Frankly, yes I am ignorant of other religions. I know enough about Islam to easily prove that it's a corrupted version of Judaism. Buddism is primarily an illogical philosophy with religious overtones. Hindu is a false God. I don't need to know much more about them because they are False and Christianity is True. I have a genuine relationship with the true God. Yes, He communicates with me in my Spirit. I have no doubt about who He is. I have told you the way it is. If you choose not to believe me, that's not my problem, it's Yours. You said that Buddism came about 460 B.C., Judaism was around at LEAST 1,500 B.C. The last time I checked, 1,500 B.C. was longer ago than 460 B.C. Christianity came OUT of Judaism. Both religions are from the same God and Christians still use the Old Testiment, which is what the Jews used for scripture, because it's still God's word. I'm not picking and choosing. You are. You need to believe God and His word, the Bible.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:04 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1357266 wrote: Frankly, yes I am ignorant

This is exactly why you continue to argue against the case you are trying to prove. Please take my advice and get back to me when you have some sense

Luckey · Post by **Luckey** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:35 am

I asked my son what he knew about heaven. He told me heaven was in outer space. so i'd imagine the only way to get there would be in a rocket ship of some kind. makes sense to me.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:45 pm

Luckey;1357523 wrote: I asked my son what he knew about heaven. He told me heaven was in outer space. so i'd imagine the only way to get there would be in a rocket ship of some kind. makes sense to me.

it makes just as much sense as other's claims on this on FG your son isn't a member is he?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:41 pm

littleCJelkton;1357329 wrote: you have some sense

Hey thanks, I appreciate that. See, I can pick part of a sentence to fit my point as well....

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:44 pm

Luckey;1357523 wrote: I asked my son what he knew about heaven. He told me heaven was in outer space. so i'd imagine the only way to get there would be in a rocket ship of some kind. makes sense to me.

Heaven is in the Spiritual realm. It's a completely different dimension from this physical world. It may be up, but this physical body cannot enter it. You must be born again to quote Jesus Christ. This first post shows you how to become born again.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:59 am

xfrodobagginsx;1358098 wrote: Hey thanks, I appreciate that. See, I can pick part of a sentence to fit my point as well....

well good for you but, unlike you I have a whole entire thread that can back up the certian part of the sentence which was in the begining of you quote and if you know anything about sentence structure that is where the main Idea goes, not at the end (the part you took from my quote) though the main point of that sentence did say you were ignorant. Though I thought it was for religious reasons not others too, but then again being ignorant by choice as you are with you religious knowledge can bleed into being ignorant by choice to many other types of knowledge that may counter what you want to choose to know religiously. So hopefully when you take you 2-4 weeks off to think of a comeback you acctually come up with something better.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:52 pm

littleCJelkton;1358191 wrote: well good for you but, unlike you I have a whole entire thread that can back up the certian part of the sentence which was in the begining of you quote and if you know anything about sentence structure that is where the main Idea goes, not at the end (the part you took from my quote) though the main point of that sentence did say you were ignorant. Though I thought it was for religious reasons not others too, but then again being ignorant by choice as you are with you religious knowledge can bleed into being ignorant by choice to many other types of knowledge that may counter what you want to choose to know religiously. So hopefully when you take you 2-4 weeks off to think of a comeback you acctually come up with something better.

I'm not the ignorant one. The bible is backed up by the actual scientific data, by prophecies, by testimony, by the truth. If you want to challenge me on these things, go for it.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:12 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1358233 wrote: I'm not the ignorant one. The bible is backed up by the actual scientific data, by prophecies, by testimony, by the truth. If you want to challenge me on these things, go for it.

Parts of the bible are shreds of it glued together by stretched tails of grandure and lament, which has been changed bye deletion addition and alteration over the course of the centuries it has been around.

So I will challange the fact that science, or scientifical or non Judeo-Christian testimony, not prophecies as I dont see prophecies as proof that what was prophesised for was really a prophecy as prophecies in the (Religious or Philosopical) just make a statement about somthing that might happen and if you wait long enough that something will happen or at least appear to have happened when the view has changed. Example let say a few 1000 years back a guy said one day man will fly. In his vision of his quote "prophecy" he sees that as a man with bird or bat like wings flying in the same fashon. Fast foward to the invention and implementation of the airplane some people will take the guys statement as "one day man will fly" as a 1000 year old prophecy even though what he visioned for the future never litterally happened. Like the bible your so vigoursly trying to defend you make broad stretched statments with speckles of logic and facts inside.

I am not challenging what the bible says, but just as say a protestant christian compared to a catholic christian have different interpretations of what it says teaches. What I am challenging you on is that You believe that the book is a 100% authentication of the historical timeline of the universe and should be read and interpreted as that. I believe that it should be read as a book of learning moral values and it is irrelevant about the fantastical ways the book tries to explain the unknown, what is important is learning how to live your life from what the characters do and say about life in the book. If anyone is challanging anything it is you challenging everyone elses right to believe in whatever they want this includes other Christians who want to believe in the bible differently than you.

So it seems to me the point of these logically depraved post of yours are to point out that you believe that the world will be a better place if everyone believed in the same things, in the same way you do. Which granted you can believe in whatever you want, but a belief such as leeds to the one rule that breaks the idea of allowing a person to believe in whatever they want and that is harm to another person. When a person believes as it seems you so ferverously do that the only way the world will be a better place is if everyone else believed in the sames things I do in the same way I do you begin to find and try to convert those who don't, the question comes what happense to those that don't convert do you kill them like extreme terrorist do, or facist and megolomaniacs do? or do you subvert them to such a low state that they don't matter in society or culture Like the Egyptians did with the Jews? Both of which by the way go against the teachings of your beloved bilbe thus ultimately showing the hypocrasy of your thinking and the ulitmat "IGNORANCE" in not just buddhism, or hindu, but your own Christianity as well.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri May 06, 2011 9:15 pm

littleCJelkton;1358361 wrote: Parts of the bible are shreds of it glued together by stretched tails of grandure and lament, which has been changed bye deletion addition and alteration over the course of the centuries it has been around.

There's not a shred of evidence that it has ever been edited or changed. You CLEARLY don't know the history of the bible.

So I will challange the fact that science, or scientifical or non Judeo-Christian testimony, not prophecies as I dont see prophecies as proof that what was prophesised for was really a prophecy as prophecies in the (Religious or Philosopical) just make a statement about somthing that might happen and if you wait long enough that something will happen or at least appear to have happened when the view has changed. Example let say a few 1000 years back a guy said one day man will fly. In his vision of his quote "prophecy" he sees that as a man with bird or bat like wings flying in the same fashon. Fast foward to the invention and implementation of the airplane some people will take the guys statement as "one day man will fly" as a 1000 year old prophecy even though what he visioned for the future never litterally happened. Like the bible your so vigoursly trying to defend you make broad stretched statments with speckles of logic and facts inside.

There is an element of truth to what you said. That's a valid point. If you wait long enough perhaps a one or even a few prophecies would come to pass within a few years of each other, however, Jesus Christ on the other hand fulfilled literally HUNDREDS of prophecies written of Him, hundreds of years before His birth. The odds of that occuring through on man in the exact manner discribed would be a number larger than the amount of atoms in the universe. To me, it's not a stretch to believe that it was directed by God, ESPECIALLY since, Jesus Christ Performed MIRACLES in front of thousands of people, healing the sick, making the blind to see, raising the dead, predicting His own death, burial and resurrection, then it actually happened. So, there is a HUGE difference between a few things per chance coming to pass and the biblical prophecies of Jesus.

I am not challenging what the bible says, but just as say a protestant christian compared to a catholic christian have different interpretations of what it says teaches. What I am challenging you on is that You believe that the book is a 100% authentication of the historical timeline of the universe and should be read and interpreted as that. I believe that it should be read as a book of learning moral values and it is irrelevant about the fantastical ways the book tries to explain the unknown, what is important is learning how to live your life from what the characters do and say about life in the book. If anyone is challanging anything it is you challenging everyone elses right to believe in whatever they want this includes other Christians who want to believe in the bible differently than you.

Either the bible is God's word or it isn't. If you look at the actual evidence, it Supports the biblical account, not evolution. I'm not challenging anyone's right to believe what they want, I am challenging the truthfulness of those beliefs. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. The bible IS supported by the evidence.

So it seems to me the point of these logically depraved post of yours are to point out that you believe that the world will be a better place if everyone believed in the same things, in the same way you do. Which granted you can believe in whatever you want, but a belief such as leeds to the one rule that breaks the idea of allowing a person to believe in whatever they want and that is harm to another person. When a person believes as it seems you so ferverously do that the only way the world will be a better place is if everyone else believed in the sames things I do in the same way I do you begin to find and try to convert those who don't, the question comes what happense to those that don't convert do you kill them like extreme terrorist do, or facist and megolomaniacs do? or do you subvert them to such a low state that they don't matter in society or culture Like the Egyptians did with the Jews? Both of which by the way go against the teachings of your beloved bilbe thus ultimately showing the hypocrasy of your thinking and the ulitmat "IGNORANCE" in not just buddhism, or hindu, but your own Christianity as well.

It would be a better place if everyone believed the way that God would have them, Not the way that "I" would have them. I am a messenger, not the message. Jesus Christ and His word are the message. What do "I" do with those who disagree with me? I WARN them that God is going to judge all of mankind and those who do not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will unfortunately end up in hell. That is NOT my message. It's the message of Jesus. That's why they hated Him so much and even killed Him. If you don't accept that message, it's not me that you have a problem with it's Jesus because that message came from Him. I never said that I would kill or hurt anyone who wouldn't believe. That's Islam. Christians are to spead the truth, not through violence. The warning is about what will happen after you die, not what will happen in this life.

My response is in bold.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sat May 07, 2011 8:34 pm

this is a different person then normally posts i am not here to condemn or falsify or attack your beliefs in fact i love your ferocity but to tell me i am cursed to be damned because i do not believe in a religion that's just not fair i do believe Jesus was real and his teachings are great if you truly understand them i believe nothing outside oneself can bring forgiveness for ones past "sins" i believe god is me and that i have direct contact to god at all times i too believe that to find heaven you must live in the heart and semantics aside isn't that what he was saying i think you ARE A BEAUTIFUL PERSON but maybe you should find a different method maybe teach faith and not religion you will catch more fish. Love you sister Na Maste

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon May 09, 2011 6:48 am

littleCJelkton;1359057 wrote: this is a different person then normally posts i am not here to condemn or falsify or attack your beliefs in fact i love your ferocity but to tell me i am cursed to be damned because i do not believe in a religion that's just not fair i do believe Jesus was real and his teachings are great if you truly understand them i believe nothing outside oneself can bring forgiveness for ones past "sins" i believe god is me and that i have direct contact to god at all times i too believe that to find heaven you must live in the heart and semantics aside isn't that what he was saying i think you ARE A BEAUTIFUL PERSON but maybe you should find a different method maybe teach faith and not religion you will catch more fish. Love you sister Na Maste

The message that I am bringing to you is not my message. It is the message of Jesus Christ to the world. I am simply repeating it to you. I am not doing it to be judgemental or angry with you. I am doing it out of love for you and your soul. It is God's message of LOVE for you. The message that I am bringing to you is the very REASON that Jesus Christ came to this earth. It is the very REASON that He died on the cross and rose from the dead. He left His throne and the comforts of heaven in order to save us from our sins. Since Jesus is the King of the Universe, He must uphold His laws. Since all of mankind has broken His laws, He must send us to prison. He doesn't want that, so He is offering us a pardon for our sins through faith in Him. It's a legal agreement. You accept His gift of a pardon and He will pardon you. He won't force you to accept the pardon, but if you choose to reject it, you will have to pay for your own sins (crimes) by going to hell (prison). You will leave Him no choice. Turn to Jesus Christ and tell Him that you believe that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins, tell Him that you are sorry and that you accept Him as your Lord and Savior and that you accept His pardon.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:21 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1359131 wrote: The message that I am bringing to you is not my message. It is the message of Jesus Christ to the world. I am simply repeating it to you. I am not doing it to be judgemental or angry with you. I am doing it out of love for you and your soul. It is God's message of LOVE for you. The message that I am bringing to you is the very REASON that Jesus Christ came to this earth. It is the very REASON that He died on the cross and rose from the dead. He left His throne and the comforts of heaven in order to save us from our sins. Since Jesus is the King of the Universe, He must uphold His laws. Since all of mankind has broken His laws, He must send us to prison. He doesn't want that, so He is offering us a pardon for our sins through faith in Him. It's a legal agreement. You accept His gift of a pardon and He will pardon you. He won't force you to accept the pardon, but if you choose to reject it, you will have to pay for your own sins (crimes) by going to hell (prison). You will leave Him no choice. Turn to Jesus Christ and tell Him that you believe that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins, tell Him that you are sorry and that you accept Him as your Lord and Savior and that you accept His pardon.

I Simply LOVE your faith keep storming those gates sister

and i truly mean that let nobody put out that light

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:38 pm

littleCJelkton;1359339 wrote: I Simply LOVE your faith keep storming those gates sister

and i truly mean that let nobody put out that light

FYI I'm a guy. God has revealed Himself to me. He has literally spoken to me. I have heard His voice, both audibly at times and in my spirit in others. If He hadn't then I wouldn't be so passionate about this, but He Has. I've seen literal miracles in my life. There's really no one that can tell me that the God of the Bible isn't God. It would be like telling you that your mother doesn't really exist. That's literally how clear His presence has been in my life. So, if you knew that everything that I am telling you is 100% true, wouldn't you warn everyone that you could that they need Jesus Christ?

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:09 am

xfrodobagginsx;1359798 wrote: FYI I'm a guy. God has revealed Himself to me. He has literally spoken to me. I have heard His voice, both audibly at times and in my spirit in others. If He hadn't then I wouldn't be so passionate about this, but He Has. I've seen literal miracles in my life. There's really no one that can tell me that the God of the Bible isn't God. It would be like telling you that your mother doesn't really exist. That's literally how clear His presence has been in my life. So, if you knew that everything that I am telling you is 100% true, wouldn't you warn everyone that you could that they need Jesus Christ?

I have seen miracles too I my self survived cancer but that still does not give me the right to pass judgment on people anymore than someone else I love how you use the age old ruse of just because you can hear god and I can't makes your beliefs what you do better than me or anyone else. Jesus if anything was big about just because you can speak to god does not give you the right to be one to pass judgement on your fellow man/woman, but your constant rant about how only you yourself and we "being you and what ever in voice in your head you claim is god" are the only ones that know what faith to have how to practice it and how to live your life to have a better afterlife shows me that you are in need of much help spiritually mentally and maybe physically. It also shows me that your so worried about fervorously pushing your beliefs on others to save there souls in the afterlife that you are belittling our lives we spend here on earth and until you can show a little more compassion for the lives of your fellow man/woman as they are here on earth I feel that there is no discussion So if there a post here under my name it is by my brother (the one who thinks your a girl)

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:21 am

xfrodobagginsx;1359798 wrote: FYI I'm a guy. God has revealed Himself to me. He has literally spoken to me. I have heard His voice, both audibly at times and in my spirit in others. If He hadn't then I wouldn't be so passionate about this, but He Has. I've seen literal miracles in my life. There's really no one that can tell me that the God of the Bible isn't God. It would be like telling you that your mother doesn't really exist. That's literally how clear His presence has been in my life. So, if you knew that everything that I am telling you is 100% true, wouldn't you warn everyone that you could that they need Jesus Christ?This is called obsessing, I do it too. I'd made this same exact argument when I was a believer. It's interesting how often so many of us convince ourselves of imagined events. The obsessive aspects will most likely wear off in time.

The thing is, for many people, once they get the Religion Bug, the only way out is through it.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:56 pm

Ahso!;1359923 wrote: This is called obsessing, I do it too. I'd made this same exact argument when I was a believer. It's interesting how often so many of us convince ourselves of imagined events. The obsessive aspects will most likely wear off in time.

The thing is, for many people, once they get the Religion Bug, the only way out is through it.

Oh trust me man, I don't need to convince myself. I am so secure in this. History is on my side, the actual scientific evidence is on my side, testimonies of millions are on my side, the fact that the bible prophecies of Christ's return being near are on my side, the fact that God has spoken to me and directed my life is on my side, the miracles that God has done for me are on my side. I've seen the hand of Almighty God! Name something that proves that I'm wrong? Nothing man. Nothing. The evidence is on MY side, not yours.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed May 25, 2011 2:35 am

xfrodobagginsx;1360255 wrote: Oh trust me man, I don't need to convince myself. I am so secure in this. History is on my side, the actual scientific evidence is on my side, testimonies of millions are on my side, the fact that the bible prophecies of Christ's return being near are on my side, the fact that God has spoken to me and directed my life is on my side, the miracles that God has done for me are on my side. I've seen the hand of Almighty God! Name something that proves that I'm wrong? Nothing man. Nothing. The evidence is on MY side, not yours.Delusion is a survival adaptation.

A child finds it necessary to believe it is special to the parent(s) because this belief helps it to thrive. Such belief builds confidence as the child grows into an adult. With many though (and judging by the number of people who need religion of some form, including various other spiritual habits, possibly a majority) the maturity arrests for whatever reason and the now adult continues the need of that notion that it is special. However, knowing he/she must break from the parents, this person is left wondering who else, what higher power, can continue to provide the need. This is where God comes into play.

It's worth noting that most fundamentally religious people assert they are special in God's eyes (ie, talking with Him; having a personal relationship with Him; calling Him Father. Some even go as far as claiming they've been recipients of miracles like receiving money or food out of nowhere and, the pinnacle event of being raised from the dead (near death experiences)). It's an interesting phenomena, to say the least. All this drives our obsession. We've created a story, a narrative, with players to replace old authority figures in order to aid in our continued survival. The obsession manifests itself as an addiction.

The brain (of any species) is one amazing mutation (not designed creation).

For what it's worth, you believers, it's okay to change your narrative to one which more closely resembles the current reality. In fact, it will most likely help you in the maturity area which arrested some time ago. The transition is not an easy ride though because it means leaving much behind, but it's worth the work for those coming after you. Immaturity would rather you let those yet to be born continue the same dependency which hobbles you, so you'll need to fight through that.

Can you summon what it takes to evolve? Of course you can, you've al;ready evolved in so many other areas, it's what you are.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:34 am

Ps 53:1 ¶ > The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:18 pm

I hope you all had a happy 4th of July.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:20 am

Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God with a humble heart if you haven't yet.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:46 pm

Man oh man Frodo...Do you ever get the hint that no one cares...

You certainly have a lot of perseverance:D

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:13 pm

Come on. I'm just leaving this up for the people who haven't read it yet. Take care.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:15 pm

Kathy Ellen;1366736 wrote: Man oh man Frodo...Do you ever get the hint that no one cares...

You certainly have a lot of perseverance:D

Hell is forever. How much pereverance would one have to have to be tormented forever? I am trying to help you not have to go through that. God's arms are stretched out for you all day long. How long must He wait? Why not give His way a chance?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:17 pm

The Resurrection is backed up by historians of Jesus's day.

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:09 am

Baggins you wretched heathen, we need your input at Crime and Punishment.

Did you ever check your poll results?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:09 am

xfrodobagginsx;1361836 wrote: Ps 53:1 ¶ > The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth

...

There you see Ahso! He told you...You played the wrong card bud because he just trumped it BIG TIME!

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:32 am

?????

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:35 am

xfrodobagginsx;1376006 wrote: ?????

Did you ever check your poll results?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:36 am

spot;1376008 wrote: Did you ever check your poll results?

Even if 1 person accepts Jesus Christ's free gift of salvation and is saved, it is all worth it. The blessings that God offers you are eternal. Please consider reading this first post and accepting Him as your Lord and Savior, or you could pray something like this to Him "Dear Lord Jesus, If you are really who the bible says you are, If you will reveal yourself to me, I promise that I will accept you as my Lord and Savior and believe that you died on the cross and rose from the dead for me." If He does reveal Himself to you then keep your word and believe on Him. What do you have to lose? If it's not true then you have lost nothing, but if it IS true, than you have gained eternal life.

Post by **spot** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:39 am

You're still embarrassing Christians, baggins? I do wish you'd stop.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:29 am

I know a lot of christians and Frodo certiantly seems to be stuck in some mirage of what a christian is, my brother (the one that normally post under LittleCJ) summed it up best I think we need to stop talking and hope frodo finds help in God or somewhere else that can turn him from the path that belittles his brothers/sisters so.

littleCJelkton;1359922 wrote: I have seen miracles too I my self survived cancer but that still does not give me the right to pass judgment on people anymore than someone else I love how you use the age old ruse of just because you can hear god and I can't makes your beliefs what you do better than me or anyone else. Jesus if anything was big about just because you can speak to god does not give you the right to be one to pass judgement on your fellow man/woman, but your constant rant about how only you yourself and we "being you and what ever in voice in your head you claim is god" are the only ones that know what faith to have how to practice it and how to live your life to have a better afterlife shows me that you are in need of much help spiritually mentally and maybe physically. It also shows me that your so worried about fervorously pushing your beliefs on others to save there souls in the afterlife that you are belittling our lives we spend here on earth and until you can show a little more compassion for the lives of your fellow man/woman as they are here on earth I feel that there is no discussion So if there a post here under my name it is by my brother (the one who thinks your a girl)

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:42 pm

spot;1386080 wrote: You're still embarrassing Christians, baggins? I do wish you'd stop.

Embarrassing Christians? By proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ? If someone is a true Christian, why would they be embarrassed of Jesus Christ?

In the very words of Jesus Himself:

Mr 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Post by **spot** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:31 am

It's not Christ I'm ashamed of, baggins, it's you. That's why I put "You" at the start and end of my post. I think the parody of Christianity which this thread presents has confirmed many non-Christians in their justifiable opinion that Christian evangelists are often bullying fraudsters. I repudiate and revile your practices as unseemly and self-defeating.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:53 am

spot;1386337 wrote: It's not Christ I'm ashamed of, baggins, it's you. That's why I put "You" at the start and end of my post. I think the parody of Christianity which this thread presents has confirmed many non-Christians in their justifiable opinion that Christian evangelists are often bullying fraudsters. I repudiate and revile your practices as unseemly and self-defeating.

Sounds like you are the bully here. I'm sure you would have said the same thing to the apostles and Jesus as they publically proclaimed the gospel.