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God is a failure??? This concept has helped many millions through horrendous times in their lives and in their deaths. No I do not think God is a failure.

God is a failure??? The concept and the acceptance of the reality of God has helped millions through the millennia cope through horrendous times in their lives and there deaths. No God is not the failure but man is.

Fuzzy;1515461 wrote: It is pointless reciting the book of lies over and over and over. Why don't you ever pick out some verses where it's obvious that your god is nothing but a failure.

I think I'll have to create my own type of god, one that is not as useless as the one you keep carrying on about and evading questions about where the idiot has stuffed up.


You asked me a question and I gave you the truthful answer.

Ted;1515503 wrote: God is a failure??? The concept and the acceptance of the reality of God has helped millions through the millennia cope through horrendous times in their lives and there deaths. No God is not the failure but man is.


God apparently created man in his own image. Therefore god is a failure. God is where the buck stops.

xfrodobagginsx;1515515 wrote: You asked me a question and I gave you the truthful answer.


No you didn't. You just quoted the book of lies, which is all you ever do, unless you quote some religious idiot front person. You're not using a brain to think.

Fuzzy;1515521 wrote: God apparently created man in his own image. Therefore god is a failure. God is where the buck stops.
God created man in his own image perfect. But he gave man free will and Man chose to disobey God leading to the fall of Man and Man became something that he was not intended to be. Therefore God is not a failure man is it failure. God sent his son to die so that man could be reconciled to Himself. In his own death and Resurrection Jesus Christ conquered death Satan the world mankind sin because He proved that it has no hold on him or control over him.

So God was so petulant and ornery that he demanded a blood sacrifice. Substitutionary theology is the curse that Augustine put on man. That is purely a man made concept. Either that or God has a personality disorder.

Fuzzy;1515522 wrote: No you didn't. You just quoted the book of lies, which is all you ever do, unless you quote some religious idiot front person. You're not using a brain to think.


It's not a book of lies, it's absolute truth, but it's not all I ever quote either. I have given you lots of non Biblical evidence as well. If you reject it, it's your choice.

Ted;1515539 wrote: So God was so petulant and ornery that he demanded a blood sacrifice. Substitutionary theology is the curse that Augustine put on man. That is purely a man made concept. Either that or God has a personality disorder.


Blood represents the life of the animal. The Bible says without the shedding of blood is no remission. God's wrath was poured upon His own Son whom He loved dearly for YOU.

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Fuzzy;1515521 wrote: God apparently created man in his own image. Therefore god is a failure. God is where the buck stops.


God created man in His own image, however, man chose to become something other than what he was created to be by choice, therefore, God is not a failure, man is. God is giving man a second chance, why not choose to accept it?

xfrodobagginsx;1515631 wrote: God created man in His own image, however, man chose to become something other than what he was created to be by choice, therefore, God is not a failure, man is. God is giving man a second chance, why not choose to accept it?Try reading your Bible with a critical eye. If you did that you'd notice that Adam and Eve were not cast out of Eden for disobeying God, They were expelled for becoming like God through awareness of good and evil.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.

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2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’

4 “You will not certainly die, the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?

10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.

11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?


They ate the fruit and did not die in the literal sense, but instead did indeed, like God, become aware of good and evil. So coming to be in God's image was their death sentence.

So who lied to Adam and Eve, God or the serpent?

Ahso!;1515639 wrote: Try reading your Bible with a critical eye. If you did that you'd notice that Adam and Eve were not cast out of Eden for disobeying God, They were expelled for becoming like God through awareness of good and evil.

False. That was satan's lie that they would become like God, the reason that they were expelled is because they chose to obey satan rather than God. Eve did it because she believed satan rather than God. Adam knew better, but he did it because he wanted to stay with his wife. For it was satan also subtly said as you seem to have missed "Thou shalt NOT surley die" after God said "Thou shalt surely die" if the eat of the fruit. Disobeying God was the reason they were cast out.



They ate the fruit and did not die in the literal sense, but instead did indeed, like God, become aware of good and evil. So coming to be in God's image was their death sentence.



They died immediately spiritually and began to die physically. When a person is "born again" That dead spirit is resurrected and they inherit eternal life with God. Those who are unregenerated also live on, but in hell because they are dead spiritually.

So who lied to Adam and Eve, God or the serpent?



The serpent.




My response is in bold above

Your argument is that Adam was in God's image before eating the fruit of knowledge? That would mean that God is ignorant and naive. Having knowledge would certainly be more like God, would it not? therefore it is when Adam became like God that he was expelled. Also, how could Adam and Eve have made any decision when they had the mentality of not even a child. They were brain dead. How could they have even had this conversation with anyone? They had no knowledge.

Ahso!;1515654 wrote: Your argument is that Adam was in God's image before eating the fruit of knowledge? That would mean that God is ignorant and naive. Having knowledge would certainly be more like God, would it not? therefore it is when Adam became like God that he was expelled. Also, how could Adam and Eve have made any decision when they had the mentality of not even a child. They were brain dead. How could they have even had this conversation with anyone? They had no knowledge.


My argument was that Adam and Eve disobeyed God and their very nature fell, became weak. They were stronger, smarter and would live forever. We are under the curse of sin. It's a real curse. When a Christian dies, I personally believe that his IQ will raise about 10x or more of what it is now. I can't prove that Biblically, but it's according to my own research based on NDE's, what scientists say about the brain, ect. I read about a near death experience of a person with autism who when out of their body, no longer had autism for that time. They could think clearly, ect. when they re-entered their body. God is all knowing. Think about that. Adam didn't become more like God, he became more unlike God. The only thing Adam obtained was the knowledge of good and evil, which has been passed down to all subsequent children of his, causing all of the pain and suffering that you now see in the world and sends people to hell. They didn't have the mentality of a child. Their IQ's were much higher than anyone alive today. They were innocent as a child I would say, that is probably true.

How could Adam and Eve know disobedience was wrong or evil when they had no knowledge of what good and evil were? How could they know that pleasing God was good if they didn't have any concept of good?

If God required obedience from them but not allow them to understand and appreciate the pleasure of knowing they were doing good by being obedient then God is either stupid or a prankster.

Which one is it? You choose.

Ahso!;1515659 wrote: How could Adam and Eve know disobedience was wrong or evil when they had no knowledge of what good and evil were? How could they know that pleasing God was good if they didn't have any concept of good?

If God required obedience from them but not allow them to understand and appreciate the pleasure of knowing they were doing good by being obedient then God is either stupid or a prankster.

Which one is it? You choose.


They knew one commandment. Do not eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. All the other sins were not natural for them. They broke that come in and in the all the other sins begin to come natural.

xfrodobagginsx;1515668 wrote: They knew one commandment. Do not eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. All the other sins were not natural for them. They broke that come in and in the all the other sins begin to come natural.You agree then that it makes no sense and in order to wiggle out you make sh!t up.

Well done!

Ahso!;1515672 wrote: You agree then that it makes no sense and in order to wiggle out you make sh!t up.

Well done!


I didn't admit anything. Nobody make anything up either.

xfrodobagginsx;1515677 wrote: I didn't admit anything. Admit is exactly what you did when you invented your ridiculous excuses in order to make your presuppositions work. The stories contained in the Bible are nonsensical and each time someone points that out to you-you invent excuses.

These are telltale signs of cult brainwashing.

xfrodobagginsx;1515631 wrote: God created man in His own image, however, man chose to become something other than what he was created to be by choice, therefore, God is not a failure, man is. God is giving man a second chance, why not choose to accept it?


Continuously making excuses for the number one failure the world has ever known. A god who is dumber than the idiots believing in him.

What we have so far as a description of God via his own self-image as he himself created it in Adam is as follows:

1)No moral compass (no knowledge of right and wrong - good and evil)

2)Not smart because he listens to what women tell him to do - (pussy-whipped - yet he still hadn't had any)

3)Disobedient - disobeys orders first chance he gets and eats tasty forbidden fruit (yet he still hadn't had any - oh did I say that already?)

4)Easily fooled by snakes (is he envious of what a snake might represent?)

More, fraud-o - give us more so we may continue to construct this God of yours.

The age old statement that the Creationists come up with is that Nothing Comes From Nothing, but when asked where God came from, they just claim that God was always there, or that God created himself. Do they really not see how ridiculous that argument actually is? First they make a statement, then totally contradict it in order to support their own claim.

Ahso!;1515678 wrote: Admit is exactly what you did when you invented your ridiculous excuses in order to make your presuppositions work. The stories contained in the Bible are nonsensical and each time someone points that out to you-you invent excuses.

These are telltale signs of cult brainwashing.


Evolution and Atheism is the brain washing. Christianity and Creationism is the truth. You make unfounded accusations.

Ahso!;1515678 wrote: Admit is exactly what you did when you invented your ridiculous excuses in order to make your presuppositions work. The stories contained in the Bible are nonsensical and each time someone points that out to you-you invent excuses.

These are telltale signs of cult brainwashing.


No excuses, just reality. The stories in the Bible are true. No need for excuses, just the truth and facts.

Fuzzy;1515681 wrote: Continuously making excuses for the number one failure the world has ever known. A god who is dumber than the idiots believing in him.


That's too bad that you somehow think that God is smart enough to create all that exists, the atoms, the molecules, the planets, stars, space, time, matter, animals and living creatures, geniuses like Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, Leonardo Davinci, but you don't think He's smart enough to know the truth about how He created all things or about what's right and wrong.

Ahso!;1515682 wrote: What we have so far as a description of God via his own self-image as he himself created it in Adam is as follows:

1)No moral compass (no knowledge of right and wrong - good and evil)

2)Not smart because he listens to what women tell him to do - (pussy-whipped - yet he still hadn't had any)

3)Disobedient - disobeys orders first chance he gets and eats tasty forbidden fruit (yet he still hadn't had any - oh did I say that already?)

4)Easily fooled by snakes (is he envious of what a snake might represent?)

More, fraud-o - give us more so we may continue to construct this God of yours.


God knows right from wrong. Adam didn't. Adam was smarter than you. He knew what he was doing, but he chose to do it anyway because his wife did it and he was sticking with her, knowing the consequences. Disobeyed God, yes. The forbidden fruit wasn't sex, it was an actual fruit. The "Snake" was actually possessed by satan himself, so he wasn't actually fooled by a snake.

Go ahead and contradict your bible, fraud-o. Fact is that your bible says God created Adam in his own image and Adam had no concept of good and evil - right and wrong. Adam was walking around with his tallewager hanging out and didn't even realize it.

What kind of God is this? One that enjoys watching naked people tend his garden? And once they realize they're being exploited and cover-up, God kicks them out and takes away all their enjoyment and then goes so far as to curse them and their offspring for all eternity? Your God sounds like a total A$$HOLE.

FourPart;1515696 wrote: The age old statement that the Creationists come up with is that Nothing Comes From Nothing, but when asked where God came from, they just claim that God was always there, or that God created himself. Do they really not see how ridiculous that argument actually is? First they make a statement, then totally contradict it in order to support their own claim.


We realize that we are left with 2 options, either 1 God created all things, or 2 Matter created it's self, or is self existent. Since it's scientifically impossible for matter to create it's self or be self existent and given all of the other evidence that supports God's existence, we are left with option 1.

Adam was not the name of a person in Genesis. It is from the Hebrew adam which meant and still means "human kind" From Ish they derived the name eve which meant "Mother of all living". These were never actual people.

Fuzzy;1515713 wrote:






That drawing has no basis in reality.

Ahso!;1515757 wrote: Go ahead and contradict your bible, fraud-o. Fact is that your bible says God created Adam in his own image and Adam had no concept of good and evil - right and wrong. Adam was walking around with his tallewager hanging out and didn't even realize it.

What kind of God is this? One that enjoys watching naked people tend his garden? And once they realize they're being exploited and cover-up, God kicks them out and takes away all their enjoyment and then goes so far as to curse them and their offspring for all eternity? Your God sounds like a total A$$HOLE.


How did I contradict the Bible? Adam was created in God's image, yes. Adam didn't know good and evil. He only knew one commandment, yes. Many Bible Scholars believe that they had what is called a Shekinah glory covering them in the Garden of Eden before they sinned, but when they sinned, it disappeared. You need to do some more research. My God IS God and He's a great God.

xfrodobagginsx;1515824 wrote: My God IS God and He's a great God.


No, I still reckon your god is the worst god of all the gods ever invented, and guess what, you won't see him either when you finally kick the bucket, because he is just as non existent as all the other gods that were invented by humans who couldn't make sense of where they came from and where they were going.

There is only one way, no other, to go to heaven. Have yourself cremated and the energy of your carcass will spew out of the chimney at the crematory and rejoin the rest of the energy of the cosmos. Good luck on your journey.

McKenzie king former prime minister of Canada used to talk to his dead mother and his dog. Hell Adam and Eve did one better they talked to a talking snake. LOL

xfrodobagginsx;1515783 wrote: We realize that we are left with 2 options, either 1 God created all things, or 2 Matter created it's self, or is self existent. Since it's scientifically impossible for matter to create it's self or be self existent and given all of the other evidence that supports God's existence, we are left with option 1.


Energy & Matter are interchangeable. The 1st law of the Conservation of Energy is that Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only transformed from one into another. Furthermore, as Time is also a factor in Relativity, that too is another thing that had a starting point. Part of the Big Bang Theory is that as the compounded energy reacted it expanded exponentially (and continues to do so, as has actually been proven), thus creating the existence of Time, which is also expanding. Before Time itself existed, there could be no concept of anything always having existed or not.

xfrodobagginsx;1515824 wrote: How did I contradict the Bible? Adam was created in God's image, yes. Adam didn't know good and evil. He only knew one commandment, yes. Many Bible Scholars believe that they had what is called a Shekinah glory covering them in the Garden of Eden before they sinned, but when they sinned, it disappeared. You need to do some more research. My God IS God and He's a great God.More made up sh!t. If you cannot find it in the bible then it's false regardless of what any so-called scholars have said.

Incidentally, you claimed people back then had higher IQs than do people today. I'd love to see the IQ tests you refer to. Bible chapter and verse, please.

Fuzzy;1515825 wrote: No, I still reckon your god is the worst god of all the gods ever invented, and guess what, you won't see him either when you finally kick the bucket, because he is just as non existent as all the other gods that were invented by humans who couldn't make sense of where they came from and where they were going.

There is only one way, no other, to go to heaven. Have yourself cremated and the energy of your carcass will spew out of the chimney at the crematory and rejoin the rest of the energy of the cosmos. Good luck on your journey.


He's the true God, that's why you hate Him. If He were a false god you would be fine with Him.

xfrodobagginsx;1515877 wrote: He's the true God, that's why you hate Him. If He were a false god you would be fine with Him.


We cannot hate something that doesn't exist. We may hate the concept of having the notion of someone's belief of something that doesn't exist constantly being thruset in our faces, but that's a different matter. It is not the non-existent God that we hate, but people like you.

Ted;1515857 wrote: McKenzie king former prime minister of Canada used to talk to his dead mother and his dog. Hell Adam and Eve did one better they talked to a talking snake. LOL


He wasn't really talking to his dead mother. He was likely talking to a demon who was impersonating his mother and or his dog. The snake was possessed by the prince of the demons, satan himself.

xfrodobagginsx;1515877 wrote: He's the true God, that's why you hate Him. If He were a false god you would be fine with Him.


I would only be fine with an Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God. Unfortunately your imaginary god doesn't have and can't have all those characteristics.

He can't be all good and all powerful at the same time.

I'm definitely not into worshipping your bad excuse of a god nor any of the thousands of other ones ever invented.

FourPart;1515864 wrote: Energy & Matter are interchangeable. The 1st law of the Conservation of Energy is that Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only transformed from one into another. Furthermore, as Time is also a factor in Relativity, that too is another thing that had a starting point. Part of the Big Bang Theory is that as the compounded energy reacted it expanded exponentially (and continues to do so, as has actually been proven), thus creating the existence of Time, which is also expanding. Before Time itself existed, there could be no concept of anything always having existed or not.


Interchangeable, yes they are. Correct about the 1st Law also. True about time also. The problem with the Big Bang Theory is that time would have to exist in the first place for the explosion to happen, not after the explosion. It's possible that God used a sort of Big Bang when He created the Universe and set it in motion when He spoke it into existence.

Xfrod he was talking to a demon!!! Nonsense.

Ahso!;1515866 wrote: More made up sh!t. If you cannot find it in the bible then it's false regardless of what any so-called scholars have said.

Incidentally, you claimed people back then had higher IQs than do people today. I'd love to see the IQ tests you refer to. Bible chapter and verse, please.


What did I say that was false?

FourPart;1515889 wrote: We cannot hate something that doesn't exist. We may hate the concept of having the notion of someone's belief of something that doesn't exist constantly being thruset in our faces, but that's a different matter. It is not the non-existent God that we hate, but people like you.


If you really believe that God doesn't exist, why are you so vigilant to try and prove me wrong regarding His existence? You don't like my view being "Thrust in your face", but you keep clicking on my posts that talk about it? Interesting. You just can't handle hearing the opinions of anyone who dares to disagree with you. How arrogant of you.

xfrodobagginsx;1516050 wrote: You just can't handle hearing the opinions of anyone who dares to disagree with you. How arrogant of you.Existence is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Either something or someone exists or doesn't. The fact that he/she/it are not there and never have been is proof enough for rational people.

xfrodobagginsx;1516001 wrote: What did I say that was false?


Everything. Let's start with those IQ tests you've claimed. Show them to be in your bible.

Fuzzy;1515946 wrote: I would only be fine with an Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God. Unfortunately your imaginary god doesn't have and can't have all those characteristics.

He can't be all good and all powerful at the same time.

I'm definitely not into worshipping your bad excuse of a god nor any of the thousands of other ones ever invented.


God IS Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent that IS the Biblical God and the only true God. He IS all good and powerful. You Hate Him because you need to be Born Again.

Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.