How To Get To Heaven When You Die

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:27 pm

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xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:30 pm

Ahso!;1514342 wrote: This is what it ultimately comes down to with all believers - that each one claims to be somehow special. However, your story is still incomplete and lacking substance. Read on and find out what I mean. You won't be able to comprehend this post the first few times you read it, but be tenacious, as you've shown signs of and reread it as often as you need to to get it.

On this site with the small number of active believers, there are those who make wild claims of special treatment from their God (perhaps that's why each one's constructed image of God and his personality vary). One such claim is that God raised the particular member from the dead, and one who claims God is deciding whether or not he's useful and special enough to cure his cancer, which, incidentally, God inflicted him with. Then we have Pahu who claims God has made him the special one, armed with special knowledge and strength to fight against evil science with. One member claims his special brand of self-imposed brainwashing, which he calls education, blesses him with intellectual insight into spirituality and makes him unique since he's allegedly made a few kind gestures here and there that he credits his religious upbringing for. We also have you, Frodo, who appears to be blessed with the ultimate special gift of...well...nothing really, so you just parrot others. Don't allow that to deter you though because everyone I've referrenced above has been exactly where you are now until each one invented and refined their uniquely special BS stories. When you look into the eyes of other believers you both like and dislike, and listen to them spout their uniquely God-given qualities and gifts, realize you are peering into your future minus that special twist you'll invent in order to tell your special story of how God chose you.

Interpreting all these claims from a psychological perspective, I imagine one might initially conclude they've all suffered emotional neglect as children and are in turn seeking attention from a parental figure (God The Father). Indeed, emotional neglect and even abuse are well-known techniques of religious cult brainwashing (spare the rod - spoil the child). Another psychologist might diagnose you all as narcissistic. Either or both diagnoses could be accurate for all I know.

Why has God given each person their special talent? The absurd answer we come away with is - to endlessly talk about "him". The end result we witness is the abused praising the abuser.

Might I suggest all believers share the same pretentious signature of "God's special child...after Jesus, of course."

In actuality, we are not special other than the fact that we are WILLING to believe God and Obey Him. I wasn't giving you a full story. It would take me hours to tell you all that I have seen and experienced with God and even the devil has attacked me for my ministry. God the Father raised His Son from the dead....God cures cancer when He chooses. We don't get to decide His reason. God doesn't necessarily inflict things on people. He does at times allow satan, nature, ect. to inflict things on people for His purposes and reasons. Pahu I am sure never called himself "The Special One" I would believe that God has a special calling and purpose for Pahu obviously in matters of science and creationism. He's spreading the truth, so that at a minimum when those who reject Christ are judged, they will be without excuse because the truth was told to them. I am not sure who the person who were referring to in matters of education. I give you facts and evidence as Pahu does and it's up to you to accept it or reject it. Pahu probably takes more time to type out extensive responses, whereas, I simply get to the point. Each member of the Body of Christ is given a specific role, part, job. We are all different. I wouldn't doubt if each of these folks suffered from some sort of abuse as a child and even when they were older. It wouldn't surprise me. God allows bad things to happen to His children sometimes to prepare them and bring them to where He needs them to be in order to accomplish their mission in life. Narcissistic, no. I don't see anyone here who is narcissistic, but there are plenty of people that ARE like that that claim to be serving God. God can even use people like that to further His purpose, even though they are dead wrong for acting that way. Cult brainwashing..no, but there are Churches that I would consider to be cult like, not because they follow the Bible, but because they DON'T. I have taken plenty of Psychology and Sociology in college. The problem with these topics is that secular psychology dismisses the spiritual aspects of many disorders and experiences. I would NEVER go to a non Christian Psychologist for advice. I have seen them mess people's heads up. God has created all beings and things that exist to center around Him. The abuse comes from this sinful world, not God. Believers are co-heirs with Christ in heaven. He is the head of the Church and we are His Body. What greater honor could there be than to rule with Christ over His creation? This feeble world is a blink of an eye in God's eye. He knows we will continue to exist for eternity. What if these bad things in this life are there to prepare us for all of the great things we shall see eternally afterward?

This was written by the Apostle Paul who had literally been to heaven and heard things that He was not able to utter on this earth:

1Co 2:9 But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:41 pm

You can't deny History:

Early Secular Writings Regarding Christ

Early Secular Writings Regarding Christ

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:54 pm

Fuzzy;1514297 wrote: If writing about something makes it real, then Jesus may just be an invention. It works both ways. Then it comes down to what you can or want to believe. Jesus never existed.

The theologians have already moved the date back to 4 BC.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:45 pm

I'm sure that if the historical Jesus could come back he would be appalled with what has been done to him and his name.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:46 pm

I am sure that if the historical Jesus could come back he would be appalled with what has been done to him and his name.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:37 pm

Ted;1514424 wrote: I'm sure that if the historical Jesus could come back he would be appalled with what has been done to him and his name.

Actually no. He is the one calling men and women to further the Gospel of Grace.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:37 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514410 wrote: You can't deny History:

I can deny lots of stuff.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:37 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514410 wrote: You can't deny History:

Early Secular Writings Regarding Christ

Early Secular Writings Regarding ChristThis trash has been so thoroughly debunked it's tiring seeing it posted again and again by you dead-heads. Your religious site owners refuse to update information. That's not our faults, nor is it our fault you continue to read old and debunked news.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:06 pm

The historical Jesus would indeed be appalled. Man has made him in man's own image. The Christianity of today, for a great deal, is not the Christianity of the apostles. It is a construct of the last 300 yearsand not of the first century.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:52 pm

Fuzzy;1514438 wrote: I can deny lots of stuff.

You can deny it all you want, but you are fooling yourself.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:12 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514506 wrote: You can deny it all you want, but you are fooling yourself.

One of us two is definitely fooling himself and trying to fool others too. And it's not me.

Have you written to Santa with your toy list yet?:yh_rotfl

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:19 am

Ahso!;1514442 wrote: This trash has been so thoroughly debunked it's tiring seeing it posted again and again by you dead-heads. Your religious site owners refuse to update information. That's not our faults, nor is it our fault you continue to read old and debunked news.

It has NEVER been debunked. Debunk them then...

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:25 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514542 wrote: It has NEVER been debunked. Debunk them then...Google is your friend. Search it yourself.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:48 pm

Ted;1514460 wrote: The historical Jesus would indeed be appalled. Man has made him in man's own image. The Christianity of today, for a great deal, is not the Christianity of the apostles. It is a construct of the last 300 yearsand not of the first century.

So, you think you know better than the actual eyewitnesses who were there? How arrogant you are to say this. Since you don't believe the Bible, what do you base this belief of your on that The Christianity of today is not the Christianity of the Apostles, namely Paul. Where do you get that it is a construct of the past 300 years?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:42 pm

Fuzzy;1514529 wrote: One of us two is definitely fooling himself and trying to fool others too. And it's not me.

Have you written to Santa with your toy list yet?:yh_rotfl

The evidence says otherwise.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:12 pm

Ahso!;1514544 wrote: Google is your friend. Search it yourself.

I have no reason to believe that they are fake. The source is Dr. Nelson Price.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:25 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514586 wrote: I have no reason to believe that they are fake. The source is Dr. Nelson Price.There's your reason right there. See how easy that was?

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:49 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514579 wrote: The evidence says otherwise.

You're the one who says otherwise. There is no evidence, let alone proof. It is just an ancient belief.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:37 pm

Ahso!;1514587 wrote: There's your reason right there. See how easy that was?

That's a reason to believe them, not disbelieve. Give me an actual logical reason.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:14 pm

I meant to say That's a reason to believe them, not disbelieve. Give me an actual logical reason.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:34 pm

OpenMind;1130490 wrote: The Christian faith is fragmented. Whatever the meanings of the scriptures or the Bible, the original meanings have clearly been lost. Today, there are so many Christian denominations and these represent the different interpretations of the Bible. Even within the Jewish comunities, there are different versions of the Torah. Each and every denomination, or individual, is adamant that their interpretation is the absolutely correct one. There are even different versions of the Bible.

No one can say any more than 'this is what they think it means'. Their terms can be no more absolute than this. If there is proof and evidence of the true meanings of the various statements that are open to interpretation in the Bible, then they are well and truly hidden. Anyone who says that this is the absolutely true meaning has their head up where the sun will never shine.

That's not possible that the meanings of the Biblical passages have been lost, since it hasn't been changed. The only so called "Versions" are different Translations from the original language into another language. It's easy to compare the original text language and find it's definition. I have a program that does it instantly when my mouse hovers over the word.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:56 pm

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xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:25 pm

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FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:33 pm

Essentially all Religions - Christianity in particular - is hinged on hypocrisy. It teaches that one should do good for the sake of doing good, with no thought of reward. But wait. What is this? Just why are they preaching this? For the hope of getting a reward in some mythical afterlife. So there you have it. The only reason for doing any sort of good is for personal reward. Personally, I consider myself to be far more a disciple of Moral VALUES than any Christian. I have no belief in any kind of God or Afterlife. No Heaven. No Hell. Not only do I believe in the tenet of Love Thy Neighbour, but I practice it. Why? Because I believe it to be the right thing to do. I do not need the invented incentive of an eternal bribe in order to do so.

If you disagree that you are simply looking for a fix, just look at the title of this thread. It says it all. Hypocrisy in action.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:39 pm

It seems to me that when one has to say "Ibelieve in Jesus" one is ownly trying to save one's own skin. On that point I have to agree with FourPart. Frankly I do what I think is right because I do think it is right.. Read Math. 25 and Micah 6:8

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:00 pm

Most if not all of the faiths are fragmented. That is no great discovery just pure observation. At the time of the historical Jesus there was not just one Judaism but there were several. Christianity has some 22000 variations on the theme and many of them claiming to have the only real handle of the truth.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:06 pm

FourPart;1514669 wrote: Essentially all Religions - Christianity in particular - is hinged on hypocrisy. It teaches that one should do good for the sake of doing good, with no thought of reward. But wait. What is this? Just why are they preaching this? For the hope of getting a reward in some mythical afterlife. So there you have it. The only reason for doing any sort of good is for personal reward. Personally, I consider myself to be far more a disciple of Moral VALUES than any Christian. I have no belief in any kind of God or Afterlife. No Heaven. No Hell. Not only do I believe in the tenet of Love Thy Neighbour, but I practice it. Why? Because I believe it to be the right thing to do. I do not need the invented incentive of an eternal bribe in order to do so.

If you disagree that you are simply looking for a fix, just look at the title of this thread. It says it all. Hypocrisy in action.

False. Under the law, the Jews are to do good works to obtain salvation from God. Under Grace, Christians are to do good because they have already been saved by God. Also, Jesus promises rewards to His believers. The reason I share the Gospel is because God has put a passion in my heart to share the Gospel, so that through my witness, many may be brought to salvation because of what Jesus Christ did for them on the cross. I also don't want to see anyone go to hell. It's a horrible place that I wouldn't even wish on my worst enemy. Moral values are good to have, but they aren't the center of Christianity. Faith in Jesus Christ unto salvation is and spreading that good news to others. Good deeds will NEVER get you to heaven because you are already a sinner and in need of a Savior. Of course I want to go to heaven when I die and of course I want people to go there as well. It IS the place where God dwells and it's a place of perfection.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:09 pm

Just doing some archaeological research on the story of Noah and his lifeboat. Thaat ship would have taken lifetimes for one person or his whole family to complete. One would have had to saw all that wood into planks by hand. Then I looked at the photos that some claim prove the story. They are either stupid or blind or deluded. That story reprodulces the Epic of Gilgamesh almost word for word. The Egyptians had a similar story as do many others but they were all about limited floods such as happen or happened with the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers. The story is at best a legend and at worse a myth.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:36 pm

Has anyone any idea why it was only Noahs construction which supposedly survived the alleged flood?

What happened to the millions of ships and boats all around the world that would have been available to families and individuals?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:38 am

Ted;1514671 wrote: It seems to me that when one has to say "Ibelieve in Jesus" one is ownly trying to save one's own skin. On that point I have to agree with FourPart. Frankly I do what I think is right because I do think it is right.. Read Math. 25 and Micah 6:8

Of course I want to be saved, but Jesus is the one saving me WHEN I place my faith in Him, believing in my heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for my sins.

If you read Matthew 24, you will notice that these virgins that were locked out had no oil in their lamps. The oil represents the Holy Spirit, which they did NOT have. You only get the Holy Spirit by placing your faith in Jesus Christ.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

I hope you realize that the verses that you are quoting are not referring to the way of salvation. The one is giving examples of those who are not saved and the other is an example of how God wants His people to behave. Neither has to do with salvation. Also, the way of salvation under the law is different than the way of salvation under grace, which we are currently living in. Paul's writings are for the Gentiles under grace. Read them. Romans, Corinthians, Galations, Ephisians, Collossians,

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:58 pm

Xfrod I cannot follow that literally. Such a position leads to absolute ignorance. Some still want to live in the deep ancient past. Throughout the Bible there are very few hints at salvation and going to heaven. Salvation for the Jews was the exodus, salvation was many things but very few about life after. Now I do not know if there is an after live but I do not need any proof. I trust in God and need no idol such as the Bible. I respect the Bible but it is far from inerrant and is foundational toto the Christian church. Looking up the stories of Noah and the research of scholars it is pure legend or myth and nothing more.l There are some 22000 varieties of Christianity and you are trying to tell me they are all wrong. Which branch do you belong to. I trust God and do not need an inerrant Bible. I do not need an historically accurate Bible to trust in God. The Bible is not an history book it is purely a religious book. I trust in God. The reality is that we do not know what happens after death. On that issue I'm an agnostic.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:01 pm

Ted;1514680 wrote: Most if not all of the faiths are fragmented. That is no great discovery just pure observation. At the time of the historical Jesus there was not just one Judaism but there were several. Christianity has some 22000 variations on the theme and many of them claiming to have the only real handle of the truth.

That's true. The problem is that most of the ones who are claiming to have the truth aren't following the actual scriptures in the first place.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:36 pm

That is not the problem. They read the same as you but interpret it differently. Who's right?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:05 pm

Ted;1514682 wrote: Just doing some archaeological research on the story of Noah and his lifeboat. Thaat ship would have taken lifetimes for one person or his whole family to complete. One would have had to saw all that wood into planks by hand. Then I looked at the photos that some claim prove the story. They are either stupid or blind or deluded. That story reprodulces the Epic of Gilgamesh almost word for word. The Egyptians had a similar story as do many others but they were all about limited floods such as happen or happened with the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers. The story is at best a legend and at worse a myth.

It took him around 100 years, so yet it took a lifetime by today's standards. He lived to be over 900 years old, so. Epic of Gilgamesh only proves that there was a world wide flood. There are actually flood legends in every culture around the world because there actually was a world wide flood. It just collaborates the Biblical story.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:15 am

Fuzzy;1514688 wrote: Has anyone any idea why it was only Noahs construction which supposedly survived the alleged flood?

What happened to the millions of ships and boats all around the world that would have been available to families and individuals?

That's a good question. I will have to look into that.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:18 pm

Noah was a normal human being like the rest of us. No one lives to 900 or any number, at that time, more than about 35 years. Therein lies the problem of a literal reading of the Bible: absurdities. In Hebrew big numbers were used to make a point such as he lived a long time so maybe he might have lived to 50 or maybe even 60. Then we read of the exodus for which there is not one shred of evidence that it happened as written and the same goes for the promised land. There is not one shred of evidence for a major invasion. " Magic and Make-believe".

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:08 pm

Ted;1514737 wrote: Xfrod I cannot follow that literally. Such a position leads to absolute ignorance. Some still want to live in the deep ancient past. Throughout the Bible there are very few hints at salvation and going to heaven. Salvation for the Jews was the exodus, salvation was many things but very few about life after. Now I do not know if there is an after live but I do not need any proof. I trust in God and need no idol such as the Bible. I respect the Bible but it is far from inerrant and is foundational toto the Christian church. Looking up the stories of Noah and the research of scholars it is pure legend or myth and nothing more.l There are some 22000 varieties of Christianity and you are trying to tell me they are all wrong. Which branch do you belong to. I trust God and do not need an inerrant Bible. I do not need an historically accurate Bible to trust in God. The Bible is not an history book it is purely a religious book. I trust in God. The reality is that we do not know what happens after death. On that issue I'm an agnostic.

Actually, it leads to sanity. God is not stuck in the ancient past. He is far beyond your understanding and capabilities. His word is timeless. There are LOTS of blatant statements about salvation and going to heaven, not merely hints. Salvation for the Jews was NOT the exodus. Wrong. It was the Mosaic Law given by God to Moses. If you trust God then you will believe His word, the Bible. The manuscripts only contain minor spelling differences, ect. It's very easy to know what the original said. Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. You think he was lying about Noah? I think not. I've told you that most of those varieties of Christianity don't follow the Bible, which is why they are mainly false religions many of them. I belong to the branch of Christianity that actually believes what the Bible says and tries their best to live by it. Jesus believed the Bible was God's word and quoted it as authoritative. If you trust in God, then you would do what HE said you must do to be saved. What do you think that is? The Bible is clear about what happens when we die.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:38 pm

Xfrod. Maybe you better read the exodus story again because it says that in the Exodus God saved his people. That phrasing or similar is in many places in the Bible. It is only a few times in the Bible that it means an afterlife. Having researched Noah and seeing a actual replica of the supposed ark would haves taken the whole family lifetimes to build. This is what happens when one tries to read the Bible literally. It presents a whole lot of nonsense. That is what happens in the so called Bible Schools the pooling of ignorance. Trying to tell me the other Christianities don't read the Bible. Come on give me a break. They interpret it differently. Any way it looks to me like you think you and you alone have a handle on the truth LOL

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:20 am

Ted;1514747 wrote: That is not the problem. They read the same as you but interpret it differently. Who's right?

First of all most of them do not follow what the Bible says. Many Catholics adhere to additional writings non-biblical and church tradition which contradict the actual eyewitness testimony in the scriptures. This counts for a lot of the issues doctrinally. Secondly yes there are differences and interpretation within the scriptures many a have to do with with failing to divide the word as it was intended to be. For instance applying scripture that was meant for those under the law to those under grace.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:53 am

Fundamentalism knows absolutely nothing about authentic interpretation as was intended. At present I'm doing a study on Biblical interpretation . According to Jewish scholars, those who wrote the OT there is no one right interpretation of the Bible. TDhere are many interpretations. I take the Bible seriously but not literally as that was not the intent in writing. The fundamentalist God is about fear. "If you don't believe as I do you gonna burn" This is not of the God who said the greatest commandment was love. In fact it is a travesty. It also makes the Bible into an object of idolatry.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:21 pm

Ted;1514769 wrote: Noah was a normal human being like the rest of us. No one lives to 900 or any number, at that time, more than about 35 years. Therein lies the problem of a literal reading of the Bible: absurdities. In Hebrew big numbers were used to make a point such as he lived a long time so maybe he might have lived to 50 or maybe even 60. Then we read of the exodus for which there is not one shred of evidence that it happened as written and the same goes for the promised land. There is not one shred of evidence for a major invasion. " Magic and Make-believe".

Yes Noah was a normal human being like the rest of us, however, men lived to be hundreds of years old just before the flood. After the flood, the life span began to shorten greatly. The Creation Scientists believe that this is true for a few reasons. The pressure of the atmosphere was much higher before the flood, making it like a giant hyperbaric chamber, allowing more oxygen to be able to get into the cells and heal, ect. Another interesting thing is that lizards never stop growing. Before the flood, they would have been able to live 10x longer and were able to become giant like the size of say a Dinosaur. Yes the dinosaurs were giant lizards. Do you really think that the Biblical writers, such as Moses would have gotten away with that claim when he wrote Genesis 3,500 years ago if that wasn't true? They would have known he was lying. But it was probably common knowlege in those days, about 1000 years after the flood. There is evidence of the exodus. I have posted it on here. For one, they found the hundreds chariot wheels in the middle of the red sea. Secondly, they found mass bricks in certain structures without the straw. Pharaohs had a habit of erasing their enemies from history if they didn't like them, so it doesn't surprise me that Moses would be erased from Egyptian history. The promise land is Israel. There is lots of evidence for that. You need to go back and read the Bible.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:07 pm

Xfrod that is a great load of creative dancing but it avoids the real truth. The Torah was compose during and after the Babylonian exile and Moses if he ever existed as a single person was long dead before that time. I can only rep[eat the Bible is not a history book it was and is primarily a religious book. All the nonsense about finding wheres has been shown to be a hoax. As far as the person of Moses it is though by archaeologists that Moses was a composite character of many men. Time to get realistic and leave the midrash to those who understand it. Being raised in a very fundamentalist church, like B. Ehrmann almost drove me to being an atheist.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:09 pm

Ted;1514796 wrote: Xfrod. Maybe you better read the exodus story again because it says that in the Exodus God saved his people. That phrasing or similar is in many places in the Bible. It is only a few times in the Bible that it means an afterlife. Having researched Noah and seeing a actual replica of the supposed ark would haves taken the whole family lifetimes to build. This is what happens when one tries to read the Bible literally. It presents a whole lot of nonsense. That is what happens in the so called Bible Schools the pooling of ignorance. Trying to tell me the other Christianities don't read the Bible. Come on give me a break. They interpret it differently. Any way it looks to me like you think you and you alone have a handle on the truth LOL
God did save His people in that sense from the Egyptians. But He also saved them Spiritually by giving them the law on Mt. Sinai. When it talks in the law about dying in their sins what do you think it is talking about? The Jews were/are primarily looking to be resurrected into the Kingdom of Christ when He sets it up on this earth. It is true that the afterlife wasn't talked about much in the OT. Like I said before, the Ark took 100 years to build. That is true, but Noah lived to be over 900 years old. I have no problem believing what the Bible says. The Evangelical Bible Schools understand the Bible and the Secular ones do not. The secular ones don't see the amazing way that the Bible was put together and fits together as inspired by God. It's a shame really that someone so educated could be so blind. Many Catholics and other people in Christendom do not read their Bible, which makes it easy for them to be tricked into believing things that are not Biblical. They simply believe the priest and take him at his word. Grave error. So, if I disagree with you, then I am the one who thinks that I and I alone have a handle on the truth and you aren't the one thinking that? Give ME a break.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:35 pm

The Bible is the "more than" book. A literal reading misses the totality of the beauty and truths about the book. Bible Schools only look at the literal meaning and miss all that the book contains. People did not live to 900 Nor do they today. A lot of creativity though. Lovely creative dancing..

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:11 pm

Ted;1514833 wrote: Fundamentalism knows absolutely nothing about authentic interpretation as was intended. At present I'm doing a study on Biblical interpretation . According to Jewish scholars, those who wrote the OT there is no one right interpretation of the Bible. TDhere are many interpretations. I take the Bible seriously but not literally as that was not the intent in writing. The fundamentalist God is about fear. "If you don't believe as I do you gonna burn" This is not of the God who said the greatest commandment was love. In fact it is a travesty. It also makes the Bible into an object of idolatry.

Wrong. They are the only ones who know anything about authentic interpretation as was intended. Those who do not understand, or believe scripture attempt to reduce it to allegory and symbolism because they don't believe God. I take the Bible Literally when it is intended to, but figuratively when it specifies or when it's appropriate. My God isn't about fear, He is about love, but He is to be feared as well. He does judge the wicked. You are trying to take your false interpretation of the Bible and blame it on Fundamentalists. We believe in hell because that's what the Bible says. We simply believe God and take Him at His word. You are trying to conform God to your beliefs rather than conforming to God and His word. Jesus spoke about love you read that and believe it, but you don't believe when Jesus also spoke about hell? THAT is the real travesty. You pick and choose what you wish were true and try and conform God to your standards. The idolatry is you trusting in yourself over God's word.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:44 am

Happy Thanksgiving!!!

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:47 pm

Xfrod I'm not trying to form God in my image. To understand what is basically Jewish book I spoke to a Jewish scholar and read some books by Jewish scholars. It was their ancestors who wrote the OT and they do not believer it should ever be taken literaly The fundamentalist church. In fact the Rev Dr. Rabbi Robert Daum

has pointed out that there is no one right interpretation there are many valid interpretations but liberalism isn't there. So you are trying to make the Bible say what is not there. Putting the Bible ahead of Jesus is a form of idolatry. You are doing an excellent job of a lack of trust in the Divine.. In my view God is a divine presence throughout the universe. He/She/It does not live somewhere up there/ God is a spirit and not a being. The resurrection was a spiritual resurrection. Read Paul and you will find that even he said "flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom". That only leaves a spiritual resurrection. Believe as you wish. I was raised in a very fundamentalist church and found it to be evil. They make God into a being with a multiple personality problem.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:05 pm

Ted;1514848 wrote: Xfrod that is a great load of creative dancing but it avoids the real truth. The Torah was compose during and after the Babylonian exile and Moses if he ever existed as a single person was long dead before that time. I can only rep[eat the Bible is not a history book it was and is primarily a religious book. All the nonsense about finding wheres has been shown to be a hoax. As far as the person of Moses it is though by archaeologists that Moses was a composite character of many men. Time to get realistic and leave the midrash to those who understand it. Being raised in a very fundamentalist church, like B. Ehrmann almost drove me to being an atheist.

Moses wrote the Torah around 3,500 years ago. You are wrong. I can only repeat that the Bible IS a history Book. It's the history of God attempting to bring man to salvation through His chosen race, the Jews, through His only Son, though His people spreading the Gospel to the world. Nonesense about finding what? Wheres? What's that? Moses was a real man, the Jews know it and I believe them over some secular person who wasn't there. The Bible isn't midrash. I was raised in a fundamental Church too and I think many of them go about things in a harsh, legalistic way, which drives people off, which may have happened to you. I do not subcribe to that. I despise that type of legalism.