Peter coming up the rear yet again.
As much as I don't understand where Oscar is coming from, consider for once you don't know where I am coming from.
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Bruv;1465095 wrote: Peter coming up the rear yet again.
As much as I don't understand where Oscar is coming from, consider for once you don't know where I am coming from. I am a member of this forum and am entitled to comment.
Yet again, another slur on me rather than tackle what i've written. All you ever do is attack the far right and your contributions to threads are nothing more than pick apart words and refer links back to the B.N.P.
I think i know exactly where you are coming from. The desire to blacken the B.N.P far outweighing the topic of this thread or how the country deals with that culture to save future victims. Your very own posts indicate this time after time.
As much as I don't understand where Oscar is coming from, consider for once you don't know where I am coming from. I am a member of this forum and am entitled to comment.
Yet again, another slur on me rather than tackle what i've written. All you ever do is attack the far right and your contributions to threads are nothing more than pick apart words and refer links back to the B.N.P.
I think i know exactly where you are coming from. The desire to blacken the B.N.P far outweighing the topic of this thread or how the country deals with that culture to save future victims. Your very own posts indicate this time after time.
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Where is the slur ?
Feel free to say what you like sir, and I will reply as I feel suitable also.
Loved the "desire to blacken the BNP" phrase, tickled my funny bone.
Perhaps if you read what I write with an open mind.
I believe we all enter into any discussion with our own inborn prejudice, I always try to turn things upside down and inside out.
Study it from every angle
Feel free to say what you like sir, and I will reply as I feel suitable also.
Loved the "desire to blacken the BNP" phrase, tickled my funny bone.
Perhaps if you read what I write with an open mind.
I believe we all enter into any discussion with our own inborn prejudice, I always try to turn things upside down and inside out.
Study it from every angle
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Bruv;1465100 wrote: Where is the slur ?
Feel free to say what you like sir, and I will reply as I feel suitable also.
Loved the "desire to blacken the BNP" phrase, tickled my funny bone.
Perhaps if you read what I write with an open mind.
I believe we all enter into any discussion with our own inborn prejudice, I always try to turn things upside down and inside out.
Study it from every angle
Nothing about how we tackle a culture problem that see's ten year old's being gang raped?
Feel free to say what you like sir, and I will reply as I feel suitable also.
Loved the "desire to blacken the BNP" phrase, tickled my funny bone.
Perhaps if you read what I write with an open mind.
I believe we all enter into any discussion with our own inborn prejudice, I always try to turn things upside down and inside out.
Study it from every angle
Nothing about how we tackle a culture problem that see's ten year old's being gang raped?
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Peter Lake;1465104 wrote: Nothing about how we tackle a culture problem that see's ten year old's being gang raped?
Improve our social services?
Improve parental guidance ?
Don't blame a section of our society for our societies shortcomings ?
Focus on why our 10 year olds are in such a situation ?
Improve our social services?
Improve parental guidance ?
Don't blame a section of our society for our societies shortcomings ?
Focus on why our 10 year olds are in such a situation ?
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Bruv;1465105 wrote: Improve our social services?
Improve parental guidance ?
Don't blame a section of our society for our societies shortcomings ?
Focus on why our 10 year olds are in such a situation ?
Good grief. We blame a section of society because a report identified 96% of rapists were of pakistani origin. Who exactly do we blame then Bruv? The Scots ? The Irish ? Parental guidance how exactly? Do you suggest we stop allowing children out to play at ten years old because some groomer can't keep it in his pants? Or how about we put burka's on ten year old's to stop the groomers being attracted to them ? What situation are ten year old's in exactly Bruv? After all, we are talking about 1,400 children in Rotherham ranging from middle class to single parent offspring to those in care. When you're complaining about Savile, are you now saying we should focus on how his victims are in such a situation?
Rather than address the fact that this is about a culture that see's children as easy meat and sub human to used and abused, you'd rather put the blame on society as a whole and why ten year old's are in that position. For gods sake man, they're children who have been targeted. You make all the excuses you want because all the time people like you excuse and excuse again, nothing will stop it.
eta When the far right are in Rotherham handing out leaflets to parents highlighting what changes to notice if their child is being groomed, according to you, they are the vile one's. Are you for real ?
Improve parental guidance ?
Don't blame a section of our society for our societies shortcomings ?
Focus on why our 10 year olds are in such a situation ?
Good grief. We blame a section of society because a report identified 96% of rapists were of pakistani origin. Who exactly do we blame then Bruv? The Scots ? The Irish ? Parental guidance how exactly? Do you suggest we stop allowing children out to play at ten years old because some groomer can't keep it in his pants? Or how about we put burka's on ten year old's to stop the groomers being attracted to them ? What situation are ten year old's in exactly Bruv? After all, we are talking about 1,400 children in Rotherham ranging from middle class to single parent offspring to those in care. When you're complaining about Savile, are you now saying we should focus on how his victims are in such a situation?
Rather than address the fact that this is about a culture that see's children as easy meat and sub human to used and abused, you'd rather put the blame on society as a whole and why ten year old's are in that position. For gods sake man, they're children who have been targeted. You make all the excuses you want because all the time people like you excuse and excuse again, nothing will stop it.
eta When the far right are in Rotherham handing out leaflets to parents highlighting what changes to notice if their child is being groomed, according to you, they are the vile one's. Are you for real ?
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Bruv;1465105 wrote: Improve our social services?
Improve parental guidance ?
Don't blame a section of our society for our societies shortcomings ?
Focus on why our 10 year olds are in such a situation ?
An Independent report by Professor Jay Identifies groomers In Rotherham as being 96 % of Pakistani origin men as Is the other parts of the country affected, Kieghly, Oldham, Dewsbury, Rochdale Oxford etc... Yet you expect an entire country to be blamed for It's short comings. You expect an entire country to what? Adapt ? to grooming..
How about Muslim communities come out and speak out about It ? How about we shut down religious schools where Muslims are taught women especially British girls are 2nd rate?
Unbelievable !
Improve parental guidance ?
Don't blame a section of our society for our societies shortcomings ?
Focus on why our 10 year olds are in such a situation ?
An Independent report by Professor Jay Identifies groomers In Rotherham as being 96 % of Pakistani origin men as Is the other parts of the country affected, Kieghly, Oldham, Dewsbury, Rochdale Oxford etc... Yet you expect an entire country to be blamed for It's short comings. You expect an entire country to what? Adapt ? to grooming..
How about Muslim communities come out and speak out about It ? How about we shut down religious schools where Muslims are taught women especially British girls are 2nd rate?
Unbelievable !
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Best I walk away.
Four suggestions to a loaded question, it appears some people know better than everybody else..........no dialogue allowed, so be it.
This is not a discussion it is a rant, a very one sided rant, I thought I detected heels being clicked together in there somewhere.
Keep on repeating it and more and more will be driven into a frenzy of fear.........wondering when we will have our own Kristallnacht.
The floor is yours.
Four suggestions to a loaded question, it appears some people know better than everybody else..........no dialogue allowed, so be it.
This is not a discussion it is a rant, a very one sided rant, I thought I detected heels being clicked together in there somewhere.
Keep on repeating it and more and more will be driven into a frenzy of fear.........wondering when we will have our own Kristallnacht.
The floor is yours.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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This is a statement as I see it - just my personal opinion. Not based on facts or statistics.
As I see it, and this would apply to any party under similar circumstances, I have always said (and I'm sure you will agree) that all parties have their Good Points & their Bad Points & that it is up to the voter to weigh the balance as to which points best match with their own opinions.
As far as I am concerned, the BNP have some Good Points, but that these are by far outweighed by their Bad ones. This much is a fact.
Now, regardless of what the policies are, you must surely agree that in order to achieve support a politician must come across as being plausible & trustworthy - neither of which describe Nick Griffin. He is a fanatical extremist, plain & simple & it is my belief that it is this fanaticism which has done the BNP much more harm than good over the years & it is my belief that the members of the BNP may finally be starting to recognise this, hence his having been deposed.
Much as I despite the whole extremism of the BNP I do accept that it has some support & because to the business in Rotherham & with IS in Iraq & Syria is probably gaining some ground, albeit, I imagine, a temporary one, I reckon that a leader has to come across as being a Politician & not as a common mobster. Also, the outward appearance has to be seen to be sorted. Growing numbers of shaven headed members wearing Bovva Boots, Shaved Heads & Tattoos, carrying Union Flags is not going to raise any real support for any party.
Now, bear in mind that this is being stated as a personal opinion as a member of the public, and I believe that I am probably quite typical in this belief, so before deriding it take it on board. Much as I hate to say so, it may even do you some good in your campaign.
As I see it, and this would apply to any party under similar circumstances, I have always said (and I'm sure you will agree) that all parties have their Good Points & their Bad Points & that it is up to the voter to weigh the balance as to which points best match with their own opinions.
As far as I am concerned, the BNP have some Good Points, but that these are by far outweighed by their Bad ones. This much is a fact.
Now, regardless of what the policies are, you must surely agree that in order to achieve support a politician must come across as being plausible & trustworthy - neither of which describe Nick Griffin. He is a fanatical extremist, plain & simple & it is my belief that it is this fanaticism which has done the BNP much more harm than good over the years & it is my belief that the members of the BNP may finally be starting to recognise this, hence his having been deposed.
Much as I despite the whole extremism of the BNP I do accept that it has some support & because to the business in Rotherham & with IS in Iraq & Syria is probably gaining some ground, albeit, I imagine, a temporary one, I reckon that a leader has to come across as being a Politician & not as a common mobster. Also, the outward appearance has to be seen to be sorted. Growing numbers of shaven headed members wearing Bovva Boots, Shaved Heads & Tattoos, carrying Union Flags is not going to raise any real support for any party.
Now, bear in mind that this is being stated as a personal opinion as a member of the public, and I believe that I am probably quite typical in this belief, so before deriding it take it on board. Much as I hate to say so, it may even do you some good in your campaign.
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Bruv;1465110 wrote: Best I walk away.
Four suggestions to a loaded question, it appears some people know better than everybody else..........no dialogue allowed, so be it.
This is not a discussion it is a rant, a very one sided rant, I thought I detected heels being clicked together in there somewhere.
Keep on repeating it and more and more will be driven into a frenzy of fear.........wondering when we will have our own Kristallnacht.
The floor is yours. The trouble with you, Is that It takes this long to get any actual statement from you on the subject. You fill threads with rants about Nick Griffin, turn most around to the BNP and fill pages with smart remarks and quips.
Your previous post now shows your true colours, ie that you think society, the children or the parents are too blame.
How about this... 50 years ago post war when there were more single parents than today due to war casualties, social deprevation and unemployment, how many grooming gangs were out there raping 10 year olds?
Four suggestions to a loaded question, it appears some people know better than everybody else..........no dialogue allowed, so be it.
This is not a discussion it is a rant, a very one sided rant, I thought I detected heels being clicked together in there somewhere.
Keep on repeating it and more and more will be driven into a frenzy of fear.........wondering when we will have our own Kristallnacht.
The floor is yours. The trouble with you, Is that It takes this long to get any actual statement from you on the subject. You fill threads with rants about Nick Griffin, turn most around to the BNP and fill pages with smart remarks and quips.
Your previous post now shows your true colours, ie that you think society, the children or the parents are too blame.
How about this... 50 years ago post war when there were more single parents than today due to war casualties, social deprevation and unemployment, how many grooming gangs were out there raping 10 year olds?
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Oscar Namechange;1465131 wrote: The trouble with you, Is that It takes this long to get any actual statement from you on the subject. You fill threads with rants about Nick Griffin, turn most around to the BNP and fill pages with smart remarks and quips.
Your previous post now shows your true colours, ie that you think society, the children or the parents are too blame.
How about this... 50 years ago post war when there were more single parents than today due to war casualties, social deprevation and unemployment, how many grooming gangs were out there raping 10 year olds?
It was you that posted the anti Farage link..................without fully reading and understanding it's content.
You do the same to any post on here that stand in the way of your lopsided logic.
My posts show my true colours ? Try understanding what I write......and you are probably right.
50 years ago........before what engulfed our idyllic island ?
Every sentence dripping with the same story.
Your previous post now shows your true colours, ie that you think society, the children or the parents are too blame.
How about this... 50 years ago post war when there were more single parents than today due to war casualties, social deprevation and unemployment, how many grooming gangs were out there raping 10 year olds?
It was you that posted the anti Farage link..................without fully reading and understanding it's content.
You do the same to any post on here that stand in the way of your lopsided logic.
My posts show my true colours ? Try understanding what I write......and you are probably right.
50 years ago........before what engulfed our idyllic island ?
Every sentence dripping with the same story.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1465132 wrote: It was you that posted the anti Farage link..................without fully reading and understanding it's content.
You do the same to any post on here that stand in the way of your lopsided logic.
My posts show my true colours ? Try understanding what I write......and you are probably right.
50 years ago........before what engulfed our idyllic island ?
Every sentence dripping with the same story.
I'm afraid I have to agree.
You do the same to any post on here that stand in the way of your lopsided logic.
My posts show my true colours ? Try understanding what I write......and you are probably right.
50 years ago........before what engulfed our idyllic island ?
Every sentence dripping with the same story.
I'm afraid I have to agree.
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FourPart;1465118 wrote: This is a statement as I see it - just my personal opinion. Not based on facts or statistics.
As I see it, and this would apply to any party under similar circumstances, I have always said (and I'm sure you will agree) that all parties have their Good Points & their Bad Points & that it is up to the voter to weigh the balance as to which points best match with their own opinions.
As far as I am concerned, the BNP have some Good Points, but that these are by far outweighed by their Bad ones. This much is a fact.
Now, regardless of what the policies are, you must surely agree that in order to achieve support a politician must come across as being plausible & trustworthy - neither of which describe Nick Griffin. He is a fanatical extremist, plain & simple & it is my belief that it is this fanaticism which has done the BNP much more harm than good over the years & it is my belief that the members of the BNP may finally be starting to recognise this, hence his having been deposed.
Much as I despite the whole extremism of the BNP I do accept that it has some support & because to the business in Rotherham & with IS in Iraq & Syria is probably gaining some ground, albeit, I imagine, a temporary one, I reckon that a leader has to come across as being a Politician & not as a common mobster. Also, the outward appearance has to be seen to be sorted. Growing numbers of shaven headed members wearing Bovva Boots, Shaved Heads & Tattoos, carrying Union Flags is not going to raise any real support for any party.
Now, bear in mind that this is being stated as a personal opinion as a member of the public, and I believe that I am probably quite typical in this belief, so before deriding it take it on board. Much as I hate to say so, it may even do you some good in your campaign.
Fact ? Really ?
First of all, get your facts right.
Nick Griffin was not ousted. He stepped down. But that's what happens when you read the Sun and are not actually present during an ECC.
The members are beginning to recognise this are they ? Oh right... and that's why they have called for an Extraordinary General Meeting to reverse the leadership and put Griffin back as leader...but then, surely you knew about that, what with you knowing all there Is to know on the BNP.
Under Griffin, In 2009 we had 112 elected councillor's and 2 MEP's and a membership of one million.
Now.. show me actual, documented evidence of where Griffin has lied, done a U turn or abandoned his grass roots unlike those In Parliament today. You can do that can't you ?
Finally, tattoo'd, shaven haired, flag wavers... .... oh yeah... because, look at them, all shaven headed, showing off their tattoo's :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl I think you're confusing us with the EDL...you need to get out more :yh_rotfl
BNP Activists hit Devon towns | Regional News | British National Party
As I see it, and this would apply to any party under similar circumstances, I have always said (and I'm sure you will agree) that all parties have their Good Points & their Bad Points & that it is up to the voter to weigh the balance as to which points best match with their own opinions.
As far as I am concerned, the BNP have some Good Points, but that these are by far outweighed by their Bad ones. This much is a fact.
Now, regardless of what the policies are, you must surely agree that in order to achieve support a politician must come across as being plausible & trustworthy - neither of which describe Nick Griffin. He is a fanatical extremist, plain & simple & it is my belief that it is this fanaticism which has done the BNP much more harm than good over the years & it is my belief that the members of the BNP may finally be starting to recognise this, hence his having been deposed.
Much as I despite the whole extremism of the BNP I do accept that it has some support & because to the business in Rotherham & with IS in Iraq & Syria is probably gaining some ground, albeit, I imagine, a temporary one, I reckon that a leader has to come across as being a Politician & not as a common mobster. Also, the outward appearance has to be seen to be sorted. Growing numbers of shaven headed members wearing Bovva Boots, Shaved Heads & Tattoos, carrying Union Flags is not going to raise any real support for any party.
Now, bear in mind that this is being stated as a personal opinion as a member of the public, and I believe that I am probably quite typical in this belief, so before deriding it take it on board. Much as I hate to say so, it may even do you some good in your campaign.
Fact ? Really ?
First of all, get your facts right.
Nick Griffin was not ousted. He stepped down. But that's what happens when you read the Sun and are not actually present during an ECC.
The members are beginning to recognise this are they ? Oh right... and that's why they have called for an Extraordinary General Meeting to reverse the leadership and put Griffin back as leader...but then, surely you knew about that, what with you knowing all there Is to know on the BNP.
Under Griffin, In 2009 we had 112 elected councillor's and 2 MEP's and a membership of one million.
Now.. show me actual, documented evidence of where Griffin has lied, done a U turn or abandoned his grass roots unlike those In Parliament today. You can do that can't you ?
Finally, tattoo'd, shaven haired, flag wavers... .... oh yeah... because, look at them, all shaven headed, showing off their tattoo's :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl I think you're confusing us with the EDL...you need to get out more :yh_rotfl
BNP Activists hit Devon towns | Regional News | British National Party
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Here you go Fourpart... here's me and my bessie mate showing off our extremism, shaven heads and tattoo's... not a flag In sight. :yh_rotfl
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You have just affirmed everything I've said. At the beginning of my post I emphasised that it was a statement of personal opinion, and that I held such an opinion was a fact. I repeated this at the end of the post. However, just as I predicted you have responded in kind twisting everything around to suit your own agenda claiming that I said things that I never did.
So Nick Griffin's trying to make a comeback is he? Quit / 'Was Replaced' = much the same thing in Politics.
Nick Griffin quits as BNP leader: Banned schoolteacher Adam Walker appointed as chairman as party founders - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
Well, if he does get reinstated that should help to further the demise of the BNP. So not all bad news.
I just don't understand how you can't seems to be blatantly obvious to everyone else. It is his odious, slimy, facist, lunatic, racist image that is turning everyone more & more against the BNP. Getting rid of him was the best thing the BNP did for themselves.
The most important thing in Government is the economy. However, I have challenged you many a time to state what the BNPs economic policies are & time & time again you side step the issue & move back on to a rant about Muslims. This is what the BNP are primarily known for - Racism, plain & simple. You can shout that it's not as much as you like, but the fact remains that it is. You start up an opinion poll, with all the main parties listed & ask which one is the most racist party. No prizes for guessing where the BNP would come. Your next step would be to blame the Media for the 'misrepresentation'. It seems pretty accurate representation from what I've seen in here thus far.
So Nick Griffin's trying to make a comeback is he? Quit / 'Was Replaced' = much the same thing in Politics.
Nick Griffin quits as BNP leader: Banned schoolteacher Adam Walker appointed as chairman as party founders - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
Well, if he does get reinstated that should help to further the demise of the BNP. So not all bad news.
I just don't understand how you can't seems to be blatantly obvious to everyone else. It is his odious, slimy, facist, lunatic, racist image that is turning everyone more & more against the BNP. Getting rid of him was the best thing the BNP did for themselves.
The most important thing in Government is the economy. However, I have challenged you many a time to state what the BNPs economic policies are & time & time again you side step the issue & move back on to a rant about Muslims. This is what the BNP are primarily known for - Racism, plain & simple. You can shout that it's not as much as you like, but the fact remains that it is. You start up an opinion poll, with all the main parties listed & ask which one is the most racist party. No prizes for guessing where the BNP would come. Your next step would be to blame the Media for the 'misrepresentation'. It seems pretty accurate representation from what I've seen in here thus far.
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FourPart;1465143 wrote: You have just affirmed everything I've said. At the beginning of my post I emphasised that it was a statement of personal opinion, and that I held such an opinion was a fact. I repeated this at the end of the post. However, just as I predicted you have responded in kind twisting everything around to suit your own agenda claiming that I said things that I never did.
So Nick Griffin's trying to make a comeback is he? Quit / 'Was Replaced' = much the same thing in Politics.
Nick Griffin quits as BNP leader: Banned schoolteacher Adam Walker appointed as chairman as party founders - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
Well, if he does get reinstated that should help to further the demise of the BNP. So not all bad news.
I just don't understand how you can't seems to be blatantly obvious to everyone else. It is his odious, slimy, facist, lunatic, racist image that is turning everyone more & more against the BNP. Getting rid of him was the best thing the BNP did for themselves.
The most important thing in Government is the economy. However, I have challenged you many a time to state what the BNPs economic policies are & time & time again you side step the issue & move back on to a rant about Muslims. This is what the BNP are primarily known for - Racism, plain & simple. You can shout that it's not as much as you like, but the fact remains that it is. You start up an opinion poll, with all the main parties listed & ask which one is the most racist party. No prizes for guessing where the BNP would come. Your next step would be to blame the Media for the 'misrepresentation'. It seems pretty accurate representation from what I've seen in here thus far.
Why should I waste my time writing BNP economic policy when I should be deep frying my husbands breaded Brie right now ? You can google can't you ?
Again, get your facts right... Griffin has not made any attempt for a comeback. It was others who called for It. For the record, I abstained from the vote.
So you think under Griffin with 2 MEP's and 112 council seats, getting rid of him was the best thing ? :yh_rotfl
No party Is about the leader... It's about the members and the activists... or didn't you know that ?
So Nick Griffin's trying to make a comeback is he? Quit / 'Was Replaced' = much the same thing in Politics.
Nick Griffin quits as BNP leader: Banned schoolteacher Adam Walker appointed as chairman as party founders - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
Well, if he does get reinstated that should help to further the demise of the BNP. So not all bad news.
I just don't understand how you can't seems to be blatantly obvious to everyone else. It is his odious, slimy, facist, lunatic, racist image that is turning everyone more & more against the BNP. Getting rid of him was the best thing the BNP did for themselves.
The most important thing in Government is the economy. However, I have challenged you many a time to state what the BNPs economic policies are & time & time again you side step the issue & move back on to a rant about Muslims. This is what the BNP are primarily known for - Racism, plain & simple. You can shout that it's not as much as you like, but the fact remains that it is. You start up an opinion poll, with all the main parties listed & ask which one is the most racist party. No prizes for guessing where the BNP would come. Your next step would be to blame the Media for the 'misrepresentation'. It seems pretty accurate representation from what I've seen in here thus far.
Why should I waste my time writing BNP economic policy when I should be deep frying my husbands breaded Brie right now ? You can google can't you ?
Again, get your facts right... Griffin has not made any attempt for a comeback. It was others who called for It. For the record, I abstained from the vote.
So you think under Griffin with 2 MEP's and 112 council seats, getting rid of him was the best thing ? :yh_rotfl
No party Is about the leader... It's about the members and the activists... or didn't you know that ?
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Oscar Namechange;1465136 wrote: Now.. show me actual, documented evidence of where Griffin has lied, done a U turn or abandoned his grass roots unlike those In Parliament today. You can do that can't you ?
A quick Google threw this up........his very own epiphany on the road to Damascus......
And a direct quote from the infamous Question Time appearance.
“I cannot explain why I used to say those things, any more than I can tell you why I have changed my mind."
“I was very critical of the way in which the Holocaust was, and is, abused to prevent serious discussion.
"I have changed my mind... one of the key things which makes me change my mind is British radio intercepts of German transmissions about the brutal mass murder of innocent Jews on the Eastern fronts during anti-partisan warfare.
U turn, abandoned his grass roots ?
Or found a new political strategy ?
I know which one I believe.
Suspect there is a get out of jail reason coming up.......but sorry not acceptable.
A quick Google threw this up........his very own epiphany on the road to Damascus......
And a direct quote from the infamous Question Time appearance.
“I cannot explain why I used to say those things, any more than I can tell you why I have changed my mind."
“I was very critical of the way in which the Holocaust was, and is, abused to prevent serious discussion.
"I have changed my mind... one of the key things which makes me change my mind is British radio intercepts of German transmissions about the brutal mass murder of innocent Jews on the Eastern fronts during anti-partisan warfare.
U turn, abandoned his grass roots ?
Or found a new political strategy ?
I know which one I believe.
Suspect there is a get out of jail reason coming up.......but sorry not acceptable.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Oscar Namechange;1465144 wrote: No party Is about the leader... It's about the members and the activists... or didn't you know that ?
You couldn't be more wrong.
First of all, you have summarised it quite nicely. NO party should be about its Members & Activists. It should be about the electorate they represent, regardless of who the individual voter voted for. They are meant to be there to represent their constituents. Any party that thinks otherwise is not to be trusted.
If it were just about the Members & Activists no party would get anywhere, as they would be the only ones voting for them, and even you have to agree that they are a microscopic proportion of the electorate (and no, I'm not just referring to BNP).
All the main parties are fully aware of the importance of image. If you remember, even Maggie Thatcher underwent voice training to stop her coming across as so piercing. It didn't change what crap she was saying.
The only time I didn't vote Labour in an General Election was while Gordon Brown was the leader, when I voted UKIP. If the figurehead of a party comes across as being an untrustworthy idiot, that is the image that is put across to the voters. If you can't see that you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
The public image of a party's leader is everything. Even if they were political geniuses, how much support do you think a pair like Wayne & Waynetta Slob would get if either of them were to stand for P.M.?
You couldn't be more wrong.
First of all, you have summarised it quite nicely. NO party should be about its Members & Activists. It should be about the electorate they represent, regardless of who the individual voter voted for. They are meant to be there to represent their constituents. Any party that thinks otherwise is not to be trusted.
If it were just about the Members & Activists no party would get anywhere, as they would be the only ones voting for them, and even you have to agree that they are a microscopic proportion of the electorate (and no, I'm not just referring to BNP).
All the main parties are fully aware of the importance of image. If you remember, even Maggie Thatcher underwent voice training to stop her coming across as so piercing. It didn't change what crap she was saying.
The only time I didn't vote Labour in an General Election was while Gordon Brown was the leader, when I voted UKIP. If the figurehead of a party comes across as being an untrustworthy idiot, that is the image that is put across to the voters. If you can't see that you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
The public image of a party's leader is everything. Even if they were political geniuses, how much support do you think a pair like Wayne & Waynetta Slob would get if either of them were to stand for P.M.?
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Bruv;1465146 wrote: A quick Google threw this up........his very own epiphany on the road to Damascus......
And a direct quote from the infamous Question Time appearance.
U turn, abandoned his grass roots ?
Or found a new political strategy ?
I know which one I believe.
Suspect there is a get out of jail reason coming up.......but sorry not acceptable. Ahhhh yes, the 35 year old clip YAWN.... Yes... as a young man he said some stupid things. He also said 5 years ago that children were being raped In Keighly.
Next.
And a direct quote from the infamous Question Time appearance.
U turn, abandoned his grass roots ?
Or found a new political strategy ?
I know which one I believe.
Suspect there is a get out of jail reason coming up.......but sorry not acceptable. Ahhhh yes, the 35 year old clip YAWN.... Yes... as a young man he said some stupid things. He also said 5 years ago that children were being raped In Keighly.
Next.
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Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!
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Oscar Namechange;1465148 wrote: Ahhhh yes, the 35 year old clip YAWN.... Yes... as a young man he said some stupid things. He also said 5 years ago that children were being raped In Keighly.
Next.
I did clearly hear heels clicking that time.
Next time you see the Messiah, could you ask him humbly, what sort of youthful mind (remembering what a marvelously analytical mind he has) could deny that particular major heavily documented historical event ?
Was it anything to do with antisemitism ?
Next.
I did clearly hear heels clicking that time.
Next time you see the Messiah, could you ask him humbly, what sort of youthful mind (remembering what a marvelously analytical mind he has) could deny that particular major heavily documented historical event ?
Was it anything to do with antisemitism ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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FourPart;1465147 wrote: You couldn't be more wrong.
First of all, you have summarised it quite nicely. NO party should be about its Members & Activists. It should be about the electorate they represent, regardless of who the individual voter voted for. They are meant to be there to represent their constituents. Any party that thinks otherwise is not to be trusted.
If it were just about the Members & Activists no party would get anywhere, as they would be the only ones voting for them, and even you have to agree that they are a microscopic proportion of the electorate (and no, I'm not just referring to BNP).
All the main parties are fully aware of the importance of image. If you remember, even Maggie Thatcher underwent voice training to stop her coming across as so piercing. It didn't change what crap she was saying.
The only time I didn't vote Labour in an General Election was while Gordon Brown was the leader, when I voted UKIP. If the figurehead of a party comes across as being an untrustworthy idiot, that is the image that is put across to the voters. If you can't see that you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
The public image of a party's leader is everything. Even if they were political geniuses, how much support do you think a pair like Wayne & Waynetta Slob would get if either of them were to stand for P.M.?
The difference here Fourpart, Is I know Nick Griffin the man. Not the person or the personna bandied about by media. I know him not what is rewritten In newspapers You don't. That's why I support him.
However, I concur there has been politicians I don't like simply because of what's written about them In rags and the personna given. Hazel Blears was one I had a deep loathing for.
I totally disagree. A good leader can rally the activists or their members and a bad leader can demotivate the troops but at the end of the day, If the leader leaves, the Party doesn't fold, It carries on... the entire reason I abstained from the vote... I support the Party as a whole and most of their policies... I do not support personalities however much I like them... that's what people In parties do.
First of all, you have summarised it quite nicely. NO party should be about its Members & Activists. It should be about the electorate they represent, regardless of who the individual voter voted for. They are meant to be there to represent their constituents. Any party that thinks otherwise is not to be trusted.
If it were just about the Members & Activists no party would get anywhere, as they would be the only ones voting for them, and even you have to agree that they are a microscopic proportion of the electorate (and no, I'm not just referring to BNP).
All the main parties are fully aware of the importance of image. If you remember, even Maggie Thatcher underwent voice training to stop her coming across as so piercing. It didn't change what crap she was saying.
The only time I didn't vote Labour in an General Election was while Gordon Brown was the leader, when I voted UKIP. If the figurehead of a party comes across as being an untrustworthy idiot, that is the image that is put across to the voters. If you can't see that you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
The public image of a party's leader is everything. Even if they were political geniuses, how much support do you think a pair like Wayne & Waynetta Slob would get if either of them were to stand for P.M.?
The difference here Fourpart, Is I know Nick Griffin the man. Not the person or the personna bandied about by media. I know him not what is rewritten In newspapers You don't. That's why I support him.
However, I concur there has been politicians I don't like simply because of what's written about them In rags and the personna given. Hazel Blears was one I had a deep loathing for.
I totally disagree. A good leader can rally the activists or their members and a bad leader can demotivate the troops but at the end of the day, If the leader leaves, the Party doesn't fold, It carries on... the entire reason I abstained from the vote... I support the Party as a whole and most of their policies... I do not support personalities however much I like them... that's what people In parties do.
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How about this...
When a parent goes to the police claiming their child has been raped, how about the police take It seriously?
When a woman who lives In Rochdale goes to the authorities with research that children are being raped, how about we Ignore the Party she works for and look at the evidence given.
How about we get local housing authorities to manage housing stock better so that In some cities, the white Indegenous are not 40 % of the population and left feeling Isolated In their own country.
How about we clearly label religious slaughter so we can make a choice
How about we shut down faith schools that preach women are 2nd class
How about we stop all foreign aid so our pensioners can eat and heat their homes.
How about we stop pandering to minorities such as throwing parents with their baby off a bus because an Asian complained they were singing Peppa Pig to their child.
How about we ban the burka all the time we Insist people remove crash helmets and hoods when entering a shop.
How about we stick to the law of the land Instead of endorsing Sharia law that favouritises the male.
How about we deport every Immigrant convixted of a serious crime Instead of the tax payer keeping them In 3 meals a day Inside a warm prison.
How about we rid ourselves of ridiculous human rights that means we can not deport those deemed by Theresa May as a threat to National security.
How about we end NHS tourism making them pay upfront.
How about we stop giving welfare to those who arrive with nothing and won't even learn our language.
How about we stop asking the English man to take down his flag In case It offends and arrest those handing out ISIS leaflets In Oxford Street.
When we have done all this and more... there would be no room for the Nick Griffins of this world.
You feed them and then whine because god forbid, they dare object.
When a parent goes to the police claiming their child has been raped, how about the police take It seriously?
When a woman who lives In Rochdale goes to the authorities with research that children are being raped, how about we Ignore the Party she works for and look at the evidence given.
How about we get local housing authorities to manage housing stock better so that In some cities, the white Indegenous are not 40 % of the population and left feeling Isolated In their own country.
How about we clearly label religious slaughter so we can make a choice
How about we shut down faith schools that preach women are 2nd class
How about we stop all foreign aid so our pensioners can eat and heat their homes.
How about we stop pandering to minorities such as throwing parents with their baby off a bus because an Asian complained they were singing Peppa Pig to their child.
How about we ban the burka all the time we Insist people remove crash helmets and hoods when entering a shop.
How about we stick to the law of the land Instead of endorsing Sharia law that favouritises the male.
How about we deport every Immigrant convixted of a serious crime Instead of the tax payer keeping them In 3 meals a day Inside a warm prison.
How about we rid ourselves of ridiculous human rights that means we can not deport those deemed by Theresa May as a threat to National security.
How about we end NHS tourism making them pay upfront.
How about we stop giving welfare to those who arrive with nothing and won't even learn our language.
How about we stop asking the English man to take down his flag In case It offends and arrest those handing out ISIS leaflets In Oxford Street.
When we have done all this and more... there would be no room for the Nick Griffins of this world.
You feed them and then whine because god forbid, they dare object.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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I understand that Hitler, the man, was also considered a very nice person among those that knew him.
You are still sticking to the policy that a party is only for its own member & activists.
Honestly, if I were a swinging voter even coming close to considering voting BNP, everything you say about them convinces me more & more that they are definitely NOT the party I should be casting my vote for. In fact, if anything you are convincing me more & more towards EDL. Are you sure you're not really working undercover for EDL?
You are still sticking to the policy that a party is only for its own member & activists.
Honestly, if I were a swinging voter even coming close to considering voting BNP, everything you say about them convinces me more & more that they are definitely NOT the party I should be casting my vote for. In fact, if anything you are convincing me more & more towards EDL. Are you sure you're not really working undercover for EDL?
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Oscar Namechange;1465154 wrote:
.......... there would be no room for the Nick Griffins of this world.
Ill vote for that.
.......... there would be no room for the Nick Griffins of this world.
Ill vote for that.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1465150 wrote: I did clearly hear heels clicking that time.
Next time you see the Messiah, could you ask him humbly, what sort of youthful mind (remembering what a marvelously analytical mind he has) could deny that particular major heavily documented historical event ?
Was it anything to do with antisemitism ?
We've already asked..
Next time you see the Messiah, could you ask him humbly, what sort of youthful mind (remembering what a marvelously analytical mind he has) could deny that particular major heavily documented historical event ?
Was it anything to do with antisemitism ?
We've already asked..
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FourPart;1465158 wrote: . Are you sure you're not really working undercover for EDL? That question truely demonstrates your lack of knowledge on Nationalist Orgs and parties.
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Bruv;1465163 wrote: Ill vote for that. Then let the Left continue to give him the oxygen... I'll vote for that !
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Oscar Namechange;1465166 wrote: We've already asked..
My question was rhetorical I know the answer, he will only have yet another hallelujah moment, see the light and deny everything.......like before.
My question was rhetorical I know the answer, he will only have yet another hallelujah moment, see the light and deny everything.......like before.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1465170 wrote: My question was rhetorical I know the answer, he will only have yet another hallelujah moment, see the light and deny everything.......like before.
Deny what? She's said Nick Griffin has said some stupid things in the past.
Deny what? She's said Nick Griffin has said some stupid things in the past.
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Oscar Namechange;1465131 wrote:
How about this... 50 years ago post war when there were more single parents than today due to war casualties, social deprevation and unemployment, how many grooming gangs were out there raping 10 year olds?
You can't compare then and now!
The term 'grooming' is a new word in relation to child sexual abuse. Grooming as a word first became applied to mean the methods used by people abusing children in the 1980's.
The rise of public concern regarding child sexual abuse really grew in the 70's
Child sexual abuse became a public issue in the 1970s and 1980s. Prior to this point in time, sexual abuse remained rather secretive and socially unspeakable. Studies on child molestation were nonexistent until the 1920s and the first national estimate of the number of child sexual abuse cases was published in 1948. By 1968 44 out of 50 U.S. states had enacted mandatory laws that required physicians to report cases of suspicious child abuse. Legal action began to become more prevalent in the 1970s with the enactment of the Child Abuse and Treatment Act
Society didn't speak of such things back then, there were obviously cases around in the 20's as studies were started. Studies wouldn't start before something happened. Then we had a repressed society where children were afraid of the elders and would have been threatened about telling anyone about the abuse. I expect many were told that it was an adults right to do whatever they wanted when they wanted because back then a child had no rights! As we have seen recently with the Saville cases and Roman Catholic Priest cases people just didn't come forward during the 60's 70's and 80's because they had been threatened with all sorts. Why would a child be believed over an adult? It is only now that it is becoming more acceptable to discuss matters but evidently we've still not got there as a lot of people are still not believed!
Had the abusers had the widespread availability of motor cars back then I am pretty sure they would have travelled in order to fulfil their desires. Whilst it's unlikely they would have driven around the country to find satisfaction I bet they moved amongst one another's properties in order to commit their crimes. There may not have been large gangs but there would have been large numbers of people committing the abuse.
Interestingly, the word paedophile has its origins back in the 1940's. I guess they decided to make such a word up just in case any one decided they would become one, then they'd have a label all ready! :rolleyes: I guess they wouldn't have coined such a word unless there was abuse of children going on at the time.
You cannot prove that without a doubt it never used to happen and because of that you cannot claim that we are experiencing more childhood sexual abuse (or 'grooming' in the new terminology) nowadays. It just seems that way because of all the reporting and technology we have nowadays
I think you just like to make things out to be worse now than they used to be to make some sort of point. Can we just have the point now so we can be put out of our misery?
Obviously because I choose to disagree with you doesn't mean I don't care what has happened to ANY child that has had endure any form of abuse from any human being, before you accuse me of 'not caring' as you have other members.
How about this... 50 years ago post war when there were more single parents than today due to war casualties, social deprevation and unemployment, how many grooming gangs were out there raping 10 year olds?
You can't compare then and now!
The term 'grooming' is a new word in relation to child sexual abuse. Grooming as a word first became applied to mean the methods used by people abusing children in the 1980's.
The rise of public concern regarding child sexual abuse really grew in the 70's
Child sexual abuse became a public issue in the 1970s and 1980s. Prior to this point in time, sexual abuse remained rather secretive and socially unspeakable. Studies on child molestation were nonexistent until the 1920s and the first national estimate of the number of child sexual abuse cases was published in 1948. By 1968 44 out of 50 U.S. states had enacted mandatory laws that required physicians to report cases of suspicious child abuse. Legal action began to become more prevalent in the 1970s with the enactment of the Child Abuse and Treatment Act
Society didn't speak of such things back then, there were obviously cases around in the 20's as studies were started. Studies wouldn't start before something happened. Then we had a repressed society where children were afraid of the elders and would have been threatened about telling anyone about the abuse. I expect many were told that it was an adults right to do whatever they wanted when they wanted because back then a child had no rights! As we have seen recently with the Saville cases and Roman Catholic Priest cases people just didn't come forward during the 60's 70's and 80's because they had been threatened with all sorts. Why would a child be believed over an adult? It is only now that it is becoming more acceptable to discuss matters but evidently we've still not got there as a lot of people are still not believed!
Had the abusers had the widespread availability of motor cars back then I am pretty sure they would have travelled in order to fulfil their desires. Whilst it's unlikely they would have driven around the country to find satisfaction I bet they moved amongst one another's properties in order to commit their crimes. There may not have been large gangs but there would have been large numbers of people committing the abuse.
Interestingly, the word paedophile has its origins back in the 1940's. I guess they decided to make such a word up just in case any one decided they would become one, then they'd have a label all ready! :rolleyes: I guess they wouldn't have coined such a word unless there was abuse of children going on at the time.
You cannot prove that without a doubt it never used to happen and because of that you cannot claim that we are experiencing more childhood sexual abuse (or 'grooming' in the new terminology) nowadays. It just seems that way because of all the reporting and technology we have nowadays
I think you just like to make things out to be worse now than they used to be to make some sort of point. Can we just have the point now so we can be put out of our misery?
Obviously because I choose to disagree with you doesn't mean I don't care what has happened to ANY child that has had endure any form of abuse from any human being, before you accuse me of 'not caring' as you have other members.
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Bruv;1465170 wrote: My question was rhetorical I know the answer, he will only have yet another hallelujah moment, see the light and deny everything.......like before.
You're being hypocritical... you said In this thread ( of which you stated you were stepping away) that society plays a part. Nick Griffin Is not raping these children nor Is the far right. Bringing up what he said 35 years ago does not excuse those Leftie's who In the name of diversity and social cohesion turned a blind eye ensuring more children's misery. Society created the beast because It can not be denied that under a far right government, the beast would not have been created or allowed to thrive to the point of 1,400 victims. So society has created this after warning after warnings and that Is shameful.
If the society was not as rotten to the core as It is, you'd have no far right.
You're being hypocritical... you said In this thread ( of which you stated you were stepping away) that society plays a part. Nick Griffin Is not raping these children nor Is the far right. Bringing up what he said 35 years ago does not excuse those Leftie's who In the name of diversity and social cohesion turned a blind eye ensuring more children's misery. Society created the beast because It can not be denied that under a far right government, the beast would not have been created or allowed to thrive to the point of 1,400 victims. So society has created this after warning after warnings and that Is shameful.
If the society was not as rotten to the core as It is, you'd have no far right.
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Betty Boop;1465174 wrote: You can't compare then and now!
The term 'grooming' is a new word in relation to child sexual abuse. Grooming as a word first became applied to mean the methods used by people abusing children in the 1980's.
The rise of public concern regarding child sexual abuse really grew in the 70's
Society didn't speak of such things back then, there were obviously cases around in the 20's as studies were started. Studies wouldn't start before something happened. Then we had a repressed society where children were afraid of the elders and would have been threatened about telling anyone about the abuse. I expect many were told that it was an adults right to do whatever they wanted when they wanted because back then a child had no rights! As we have seen recently with the Saville cases and Roman Catholic Priest cases people just didn't come forward during the 60's 70's and 80's because they had been threatened with all sorts. Why would a child be believed over an adult? It is only now that it is becoming more acceptable to discuss matters but evidently we've still not got there as a lot of people are still not believed!
Had the abusers had the widespread availability of motor cars back then I am pretty sure they would have travelled in order to fulfil their desires. Whilst it's unlikely they would have driven around the country to find satisfaction I bet they moved amongst one another's properties in order to commit their crimes. There may not have been large gangs but there would have been large numbers of people committing the abuse.
Interestingly, the word paedophile has its origins back in the 1940's. I guess they decided to make such a word up just in case any one decided they would become one, then they'd have a label all ready! :rolleyes: I guess they wouldn't have coined such a word unless there was abuse of children going on at the time.
You cannot prove that without a doubt it never used to happen and because of that you cannot claim that we are experiencing more childhood sexual abuse (or 'grooming' in the new terminology) nowadays. It just seems that way because of all the reporting and technology we have nowadays
I think you just like to make things out to be worse now than they used to be to make some sort of point. Can we just have the point now so we can be put out of our misery?
Obviously because I choose to disagree with you doesn't mean I don't care what has happened to ANY child that has had endure any form of abuse from any human being, before you accuse me of 'not caring' as you have other members.
That is purely your assumption and no where near fact,
Of course there was child sexual abuse post and pre war mainly in the church but you are completely missing the point here. It is the amount of children, the police estimate over 10,000, in the short space of time we have started to see this.
What we see today is organised crime on a mass scale involving death threats, torture and gang rape of up to 100 men per night.
An independent report shows the rapists to be 96 % pakistani origin. How can you possibly equate that to you think it would have happened back then if the British had cars?
The term 'grooming' is a new word in relation to child sexual abuse. Grooming as a word first became applied to mean the methods used by people abusing children in the 1980's.
The rise of public concern regarding child sexual abuse really grew in the 70's
Society didn't speak of such things back then, there were obviously cases around in the 20's as studies were started. Studies wouldn't start before something happened. Then we had a repressed society where children were afraid of the elders and would have been threatened about telling anyone about the abuse. I expect many were told that it was an adults right to do whatever they wanted when they wanted because back then a child had no rights! As we have seen recently with the Saville cases and Roman Catholic Priest cases people just didn't come forward during the 60's 70's and 80's because they had been threatened with all sorts. Why would a child be believed over an adult? It is only now that it is becoming more acceptable to discuss matters but evidently we've still not got there as a lot of people are still not believed!
Had the abusers had the widespread availability of motor cars back then I am pretty sure they would have travelled in order to fulfil their desires. Whilst it's unlikely they would have driven around the country to find satisfaction I bet they moved amongst one another's properties in order to commit their crimes. There may not have been large gangs but there would have been large numbers of people committing the abuse.
Interestingly, the word paedophile has its origins back in the 1940's. I guess they decided to make such a word up just in case any one decided they would become one, then they'd have a label all ready! :rolleyes: I guess they wouldn't have coined such a word unless there was abuse of children going on at the time.
You cannot prove that without a doubt it never used to happen and because of that you cannot claim that we are experiencing more childhood sexual abuse (or 'grooming' in the new terminology) nowadays. It just seems that way because of all the reporting and technology we have nowadays
I think you just like to make things out to be worse now than they used to be to make some sort of point. Can we just have the point now so we can be put out of our misery?
Obviously because I choose to disagree with you doesn't mean I don't care what has happened to ANY child that has had endure any form of abuse from any human being, before you accuse me of 'not caring' as you have other members.
That is purely your assumption and no where near fact,
Of course there was child sexual abuse post and pre war mainly in the church but you are completely missing the point here. It is the amount of children, the police estimate over 10,000, in the short space of time we have started to see this.
What we see today is organised crime on a mass scale involving death threats, torture and gang rape of up to 100 men per night.
An independent report shows the rapists to be 96 % pakistani origin. How can you possibly equate that to you think it would have happened back then if the British had cars?
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Peter Lake;1465172 wrote: Deny what? She's said Nick Griffin has said some stupid things in the past.
And as she has also said on many times, he's nothing if not consistent.
And as she has also said on many times, he's nothing if not consistent.
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Betty Is also completely over-looking the changes of time and the sheer scale of this pandemic. My link shows other cities affected.
BBC News - Rotherham child abuse: Cases in other towns
Post and pre war child abuse happened but the agencies and authorities were not In place at the time to deal with It and victims had no-one to go to. What Betty Is missing here, Is that these children did habe the agencies and authorities In place to go to but were Ignored In order not to upset ethnic communities.
That Is the scandal
Professor Alexis Jay led the inquiry that found at least 1,400 children in the South Yorkshire town were sexually exploited by criminal gangs of men who were predominantly of Pakistani origin between 1997 and 2013
Until anyone accepts this Is about different cultures, It will never be addressed. Regardless of what happened post and pre war, these rapists today are Pakistani and that has to be recognised.
BBC News - Rotherham child abuse: Cases in other towns
Post and pre war child abuse happened but the agencies and authorities were not In place at the time to deal with It and victims had no-one to go to. What Betty Is missing here, Is that these children did habe the agencies and authorities In place to go to but were Ignored In order not to upset ethnic communities.
That Is the scandal
Professor Alexis Jay led the inquiry that found at least 1,400 children in the South Yorkshire town were sexually exploited by criminal gangs of men who were predominantly of Pakistani origin between 1997 and 2013
Until anyone accepts this Is about different cultures, It will never be addressed. Regardless of what happened post and pre war, these rapists today are Pakistani and that has to be recognised.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Namechange;1465180 wrote: Betty Is also completely over-looking the changes of time and the sheer scale of this pandemic. My link shows other cities affected.
BBC News - Rotherham child abuse: Cases in other towns
Post and pre war child abuse happened but the agencies and authorities were not In place at the time to deal with It and victims had no-one to go to. What Betty Is missing here, Is that these children did habe the agencies and authorities In place to go to but were Ignored In order not to upset ethnic communities.
That Is the scandal
Professor Alexis Jay led the inquiry that found at least 1,400 children in the South Yorkshire town were sexually exploited by criminal gangs of men who were predominantly of Pakistani origin between 1997 and 2013
Until anyone accepts this Is about different cultures, It will never be addressed. Regardless of what happened post and pre war, these rapists today are Pakistani and that has to be recognised.
Indeed the numbers look horrific presented that way. That's 16 years of abuse, which breaks down to around 88 children a year. Presented that way it is not at all hard to believe that that amount would have been abused per year, pre war, post war and every year since.
Why do you feel the need to highlight Pakistanis yet again?? We read the papers, we know what is being reported, why the need to highlight it here?
What is it we need to accept about the different cultures?
BBC News - Rotherham child abuse: Cases in other towns
Post and pre war child abuse happened but the agencies and authorities were not In place at the time to deal with It and victims had no-one to go to. What Betty Is missing here, Is that these children did habe the agencies and authorities In place to go to but were Ignored In order not to upset ethnic communities.
That Is the scandal
Professor Alexis Jay led the inquiry that found at least 1,400 children in the South Yorkshire town were sexually exploited by criminal gangs of men who were predominantly of Pakistani origin between 1997 and 2013
Until anyone accepts this Is about different cultures, It will never be addressed. Regardless of what happened post and pre war, these rapists today are Pakistani and that has to be recognised.
Indeed the numbers look horrific presented that way. That's 16 years of abuse, which breaks down to around 88 children a year. Presented that way it is not at all hard to believe that that amount would have been abused per year, pre war, post war and every year since.
Why do you feel the need to highlight Pakistanis yet again?? We read the papers, we know what is being reported, why the need to highlight it here?
What is it we need to accept about the different cultures?
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Betty Boop;1465182 wrote: Indeed the numbers look horrific presented that way. That's 16 years of abuse, which breaks down to around 88 children a year. Presented that way it is not at all hard to believe that that amount would have been abused per year, pre war, post war and every year since.
Why do you feel the need to highlight Pakistanis yet again?? We read the papers, we know what is being reported, why the need to highlight it here?
What is it we need to accept about the different cultures?
It's about some how getting Muslim communities to recognise this Is a problem within their communities and working with UK agencies. Some Muslim elders are beginning to do that and It's a start. You will never have social cohesion until that's recognised and some Muslim communities stop the deny deny deny.
The authorities put In place post war were put In place to stop child exploitation and abuse so when those very authorities Ignore a pandemic of rape In order not to upset the ethnic community, that Is a major part of the scandal. Over the years, the abusers knew they'd not be challenged and If they were, just shout racist.
That has to stop and everyone needs to recognise who the majority of abusers are to deal with It. It may be uncomfortable but to save another child being gang raped, that's what they have to do.
In fact, the authorities have done more to damage relations within those communities than ever before by their silence. I am reliably Informed that Muslims In Rotherham are now fearful of a backlash. If It was out In the open In the first place, this would not be happening.
As a country, until we recognise that this Is organised crime within predominantly Pakistani men, It will allow them to continue knowing the authorities are too afraid of being deemed racist to stop them.
Why do you feel the need to highlight Pakistanis yet again?? We read the papers, we know what is being reported, why the need to highlight it here?
What is it we need to accept about the different cultures?
It's about some how getting Muslim communities to recognise this Is a problem within their communities and working with UK agencies. Some Muslim elders are beginning to do that and It's a start. You will never have social cohesion until that's recognised and some Muslim communities stop the deny deny deny.
The authorities put In place post war were put In place to stop child exploitation and abuse so when those very authorities Ignore a pandemic of rape In order not to upset the ethnic community, that Is a major part of the scandal. Over the years, the abusers knew they'd not be challenged and If they were, just shout racist.
That has to stop and everyone needs to recognise who the majority of abusers are to deal with It. It may be uncomfortable but to save another child being gang raped, that's what they have to do.
In fact, the authorities have done more to damage relations within those communities than ever before by their silence. I am reliably Informed that Muslims In Rotherham are now fearful of a backlash. If It was out In the open In the first place, this would not be happening.
As a country, until we recognise that this Is organised crime within predominantly Pakistani men, It will allow them to continue knowing the authorities are too afraid of being deemed racist to stop them.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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It's rather like Rotherham having 1,400 children bitten by dogs and 96% of those dogs being alsation.
The R.S.P.C.A then prosecute someone for five years ago coming out and stating children are being bitten by alsations. Parents go to the police and they refuse to believe all the dog bites are from alsations. The left comes out and blames the child and parents for being in a position to get bitten in the first place. Then all over the country in other towns, children are being bitten by dogs. They then find those dogs are alsations.
At what point do we say the problem is with the breed of dog ? Or do we just deny deny deny and flag up that post war, bearded collies were biting children here and there?
The R.S.P.C.A then prosecute someone for five years ago coming out and stating children are being bitten by alsations. Parents go to the police and they refuse to believe all the dog bites are from alsations. The left comes out and blames the child and parents for being in a position to get bitten in the first place. Then all over the country in other towns, children are being bitten by dogs. They then find those dogs are alsations.
At what point do we say the problem is with the breed of dog ? Or do we just deny deny deny and flag up that post war, bearded collies were biting children here and there?
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The one common theme throughout this is that the "authorities" viewed the victims as being of little worth either they were asking for it or they were lying or actions were taken to protect the powerful from the law.
It's not just pakistanis although the contempt for women generally is a problem but so is the contempt shown by the religious of all kinds. Haut de la Garenne had nothing to do with pakistanis and what happened there reads like something out of a horror novel, except far worse.
Secrets and terror of Jersey care home - Telegraph
Catholic priests molested far more children both here and around the world - in ireland they have discovered mass graves where over 4,000 children were buried yet no one is suggesting the problem might be with the organisation or the religion itself.
Thousands of children in Irish care homes at centre of 'baby graves scandal' were used in secret vaccine trials in the 1930s | Daily Mail Online
Yes there was a particular problem in rochdale with pakistanis there was an even bigger problem with the attitude of those supposed to protect the helpless.
There are a lot of paedophiles but harping on just look at these pakistani ones isn't it terrible detracts from the very real issues elsewhere.
Why no calls to prevent religious organisation being able to run any aspect of social services and insisting that those priests who were protected by the church stand trial? If it was a islamic priests no doubt the daily mail would be howling for blood and oscar would be on her soap box
It's not just pakistanis although the contempt for women generally is a problem but so is the contempt shown by the religious of all kinds. Haut de la Garenne had nothing to do with pakistanis and what happened there reads like something out of a horror novel, except far worse.
Secrets and terror of Jersey care home - Telegraph
Catholic priests molested far more children both here and around the world - in ireland they have discovered mass graves where over 4,000 children were buried yet no one is suggesting the problem might be with the organisation or the religion itself.
Thousands of children in Irish care homes at centre of 'baby graves scandal' were used in secret vaccine trials in the 1930s | Daily Mail Online
Yes there was a particular problem in rochdale with pakistanis there was an even bigger problem with the attitude of those supposed to protect the helpless.
There are a lot of paedophiles but harping on just look at these pakistani ones isn't it terrible detracts from the very real issues elsewhere.
Why no calls to prevent religious organisation being able to run any aspect of social services and insisting that those priests who were protected by the church stand trial? If it was a islamic priests no doubt the daily mail would be howling for blood and oscar would be on her soap box
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gmc;1465189 wrote: The one common theme throughout this is that the "authorities" viewed the victims as being of little worth either they were asking for it or they were lying or actions were taken to protect the powerful from the law.
It's not just pakistanis although the contempt for women generally is a problem but so is the contempt shown by the religious of all kinds. Haut de la Garenne had nothing to do with pakistanis and what happened there reads like something out of a horror novel, except far worse.
Secrets and terror of Jersey care home - Telegraph
Catholic priests molested far more children both here and around the world - in ireland they have discovered mass graves where over 4,000 children were buried yet no one is suggesting the problem might be with the organisation or the religion itself.
Thousands of children in Irish care homes at centre of 'baby graves scandal' were used in secret vaccine trials in the 1930s | Daily Mail Online
Yes there was a particular problem in rochdale with pakistanis there was an even bigger problem with the attitude of those supposed to protect the helpless.
There are a lot of paedophiles but harping on just look at these pakistani ones isn't it terrible detracts from the very real issues elsewhere.
Why no calls to prevent religious organisation being able to run any aspect of social services and insisting that those priests who were protected by the church stand trial? If it was a islamic priests no doubt the daily mail would be howling for blood and oscar would be on her soap box
Then you missed where I said shut down all faith schools.
I agree with most of your post and Yes, child abuse In care homes and the church was rife... but what do they have In common with today? The common denominator Is fear. In the past, victims didn't speak out because they feared no-one would believe them but today, we had children who were speaking out and a blind eye was turned due to fear of being labelled racist.
The framework and structure that was put Into place so that children were never abused again on the scale seen In the church has failed miserably for different reasons.
Today, there Is absolutely no excuse for thousands of children to be exploited given the change In how we are more aware about child sex abuse. If anything, the numbers should be lower not higher.
Let me give you an example of that fear. There were some parents two years ago In Rochdale that phoned the police about a group of ' Asian men' Inside a small childrens public playground. The Mothers had never seen them before and they clearly did not have any children with them Inside the playground. When asked to describe the men on the phone, the police operator says there's nothing they can do because the playground was a public place. Yet a couple of years ago, police literally raced to the school next door to me when parents rang them about an odd looking man hanging around who they didn't recognise as a parent.
In almost every case, the fear of offending an ethnic minority took precedent over the safety of children. Now It's time to quit the political correctness and fear of offending to put the children first.
It's similar to blaming the tea lady for a drop In sales. People just have to lose that fear.
It's not just pakistanis although the contempt for women generally is a problem but so is the contempt shown by the religious of all kinds. Haut de la Garenne had nothing to do with pakistanis and what happened there reads like something out of a horror novel, except far worse.
Secrets and terror of Jersey care home - Telegraph
Catholic priests molested far more children both here and around the world - in ireland they have discovered mass graves where over 4,000 children were buried yet no one is suggesting the problem might be with the organisation or the religion itself.
Thousands of children in Irish care homes at centre of 'baby graves scandal' were used in secret vaccine trials in the 1930s | Daily Mail Online
Yes there was a particular problem in rochdale with pakistanis there was an even bigger problem with the attitude of those supposed to protect the helpless.
There are a lot of paedophiles but harping on just look at these pakistani ones isn't it terrible detracts from the very real issues elsewhere.
Why no calls to prevent religious organisation being able to run any aspect of social services and insisting that those priests who were protected by the church stand trial? If it was a islamic priests no doubt the daily mail would be howling for blood and oscar would be on her soap box
Then you missed where I said shut down all faith schools.
I agree with most of your post and Yes, child abuse In care homes and the church was rife... but what do they have In common with today? The common denominator Is fear. In the past, victims didn't speak out because they feared no-one would believe them but today, we had children who were speaking out and a blind eye was turned due to fear of being labelled racist.
The framework and structure that was put Into place so that children were never abused again on the scale seen In the church has failed miserably for different reasons.
Today, there Is absolutely no excuse for thousands of children to be exploited given the change In how we are more aware about child sex abuse. If anything, the numbers should be lower not higher.
Let me give you an example of that fear. There were some parents two years ago In Rochdale that phoned the police about a group of ' Asian men' Inside a small childrens public playground. The Mothers had never seen them before and they clearly did not have any children with them Inside the playground. When asked to describe the men on the phone, the police operator says there's nothing they can do because the playground was a public place. Yet a couple of years ago, police literally raced to the school next door to me when parents rang them about an odd looking man hanging around who they didn't recognise as a parent.
In almost every case, the fear of offending an ethnic minority took precedent over the safety of children. Now It's time to quit the political correctness and fear of offending to put the children first.
It's similar to blaming the tea lady for a drop In sales. People just have to lose that fear.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
Rochdale
Oscar Namechange;1465175 wrote: You're being hypocritical... you said In this thread ( of which you stated you were stepping away) that society plays a part. Nick Griffin Is not raping these children nor Is the far right.
No consistent........ and YES I am stepping away because I think I have found the original Internet wrestling Pig that enjoys rolling in the mud, going back over and over things that have NOT been said, substituting with what you would prefer I had said but never really comprehending what I am actually saying.
For the words I and me substitute anybody that is not agreeing with you whole heartedly.
You should do well in politics.
No consistent........ and YES I am stepping away because I think I have found the original Internet wrestling Pig that enjoys rolling in the mud, going back over and over things that have NOT been said, substituting with what you would prefer I had said but never really comprehending what I am actually saying.
For the words I and me substitute anybody that is not agreeing with you whole heartedly.
You should do well in politics.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Peter Lake;1465184 wrote: It's rather like Rotherham having 1,400 children bitten by dogs and 96% of those dogs being alsation.
The R.S.P.C.A then prosecute someone for five years ago coming out and stating children are being bitten by alsations. Parents go to the police and they refuse to believe all the dog bites are from alsations. The left comes out and blames the child and parents for being in a position to get bitten in the first place. Then all over the country in other towns, children are being bitten by dogs. They then find those dogs are alsations.
At what point do we say the problem is with the breed of dog ? Or do we just deny deny deny and flag up that post war, bearded collies were biting children here and there?
Isn't it wonderful that Oscar has you to back her up.
The R.S.P.C.A then prosecute someone for five years ago coming out and stating children are being bitten by alsations. Parents go to the police and they refuse to believe all the dog bites are from alsations. The left comes out and blames the child and parents for being in a position to get bitten in the first place. Then all over the country in other towns, children are being bitten by dogs. They then find those dogs are alsations.
At what point do we say the problem is with the breed of dog ? Or do we just deny deny deny and flag up that post war, bearded collies were biting children here and there?
Isn't it wonderful that Oscar has you to back her up.
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posted by oscar high priestess of I hear what you are saying but I'll just ignore the bits that conflict with what I want to say - nig nog paki paki give the kid a bone.
In almost every case, the fear of offending an ethnic minority took precedent over the safety of children. Now It's time to quit the political correctness and fear of offending to put the children first.
Catholics an ethnic minority?
There is an ethnic element but in rochdale cyril smith was the MP and clearly the police knew about him and did nothing jimmy saville visited haut de la garenne as well as being active in yorkshire and lancashire. What did nick have to say about all the kids being abused by them? Was it just abuse by pakistanis he cared about.
I agree with most of your post and Yes, child abuse In care homes and the church was rife... but what do they have In common with today? The common denominator Is fear. In the past, victims didn't speak out because they feared no-one would believe them but today, we had children who were speaking out and a blind eye was turned due to fear of being labelled racist.
They did speak out nobody listened and some of the catholic abuse casev go on in to the 2000's. The common theme in all the cases is primarily those making the claims were regarded as delinquents, orphans, girls who were up for it, people whose word could not be taken seriously call it class prejudice, racial and religious prejudice, call it what you will but the ethnic side of it is just part of the problem some people in authority were either involved themselves or could just not rise above their own prejudice against what they saw as low lives. The gangs picked on children they knew would not be listened to just as saville and the priests did.
imo By concentrating on one aspect of one set of cases you detract from how serious this is and also how far up our societal it goes.
In almost every case, the fear of offending an ethnic minority took precedent over the safety of children. Now It's time to quit the political correctness and fear of offending to put the children first.
Catholics an ethnic minority?
There is an ethnic element but in rochdale cyril smith was the MP and clearly the police knew about him and did nothing jimmy saville visited haut de la garenne as well as being active in yorkshire and lancashire. What did nick have to say about all the kids being abused by them? Was it just abuse by pakistanis he cared about.
I agree with most of your post and Yes, child abuse In care homes and the church was rife... but what do they have In common with today? The common denominator Is fear. In the past, victims didn't speak out because they feared no-one would believe them but today, we had children who were speaking out and a blind eye was turned due to fear of being labelled racist.
They did speak out nobody listened and some of the catholic abuse casev go on in to the 2000's. The common theme in all the cases is primarily those making the claims were regarded as delinquents, orphans, girls who were up for it, people whose word could not be taken seriously call it class prejudice, racial and religious prejudice, call it what you will but the ethnic side of it is just part of the problem some people in authority were either involved themselves or could just not rise above their own prejudice against what they saw as low lives. The gangs picked on children they knew would not be listened to just as saville and the priests did.
imo By concentrating on one aspect of one set of cases you detract from how serious this is and also how far up our societal it goes.
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gmc;1465201 wrote: posted by oscar high priestess of I hear what you are saying but I'll just ignore the bits that conflict with what I want to say - nig nog paki paki give the kid a bone.
Catholics an ethnic minority?
There is an ethnic element but in rochdale cyril smith was the MP and clearly the police knew about him and did nothing jimmy saville visited haut de la garenne as well as being active in yorkshire and lancashire. What did nick have to say about all the kids being abused by them? Was it just abuse by pakistanis he cared about.
They did speak out nobody listened and some of the catholic abuse casev go on in to the 2000's. The common theme in all the cases is primarily those making the claims were regarded as delinquents, orphans, girls who were up for it, people whose word could not be taken seriously call it class prejudice, racial and religious prejudice, call it what you will but the ethnic side of it is just part of the problem some people in authority were either involved themselves or could just not rise above their own prejudice against what they saw as low lives. The gangs picked on children they knew would not be listened to just as saville and the priests did.
imo By concentrating on one aspect of one set of cases you detract from how serious this is and also how far up our societal it goes.
Ditto what GMC said.
Women can abuse children too - and society must confront it - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent
I'm not interested in singling out any 'group' of people, be they what you consider to be of foreign origin, eastern origin, european origin or English, female or male.
Anyone, any human being, male or female can carry out abuse and it's time we opened our eyes to ALL abuse.
Catholics an ethnic minority?
There is an ethnic element but in rochdale cyril smith was the MP and clearly the police knew about him and did nothing jimmy saville visited haut de la garenne as well as being active in yorkshire and lancashire. What did nick have to say about all the kids being abused by them? Was it just abuse by pakistanis he cared about.
They did speak out nobody listened and some of the catholic abuse casev go on in to the 2000's. The common theme in all the cases is primarily those making the claims were regarded as delinquents, orphans, girls who were up for it, people whose word could not be taken seriously call it class prejudice, racial and religious prejudice, call it what you will but the ethnic side of it is just part of the problem some people in authority were either involved themselves or could just not rise above their own prejudice against what they saw as low lives. The gangs picked on children they knew would not be listened to just as saville and the priests did.
imo By concentrating on one aspect of one set of cases you detract from how serious this is and also how far up our societal it goes.
Ditto what GMC said.
Women can abuse children too - and society must confront it - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent
I'm not interested in singling out any 'group' of people, be they what you consider to be of foreign origin, eastern origin, european origin or English, female or male.
Anyone, any human being, male or female can carry out abuse and it's time we opened our eyes to ALL abuse.
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Betty Boop;1465199 wrote: Isn't it wonderful that Oscar has you to back her up.
What a thoroughly nasty, snide swipe to make.
He's a member remember, he Is perfectly entitled to have an opinion just as you do when you come up the rear of another here.
Can we stick to the topic,?
What a thoroughly nasty, snide swipe to make.
He's a member remember, he Is perfectly entitled to have an opinion just as you do when you come up the rear of another here.
Can we stick to the topic,?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Betty Boop;1465203 wrote: Ditto what GMC said.
Women can abuse children too - and society must confront it - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent
I'm not interested in singling out any 'group' of people, be they what you consider to be of foreign origin, eastern origin, european origin or English, female or male.
Anyone, any human being, male or female can carry out abuse and it's time we opened our eyes to ALL abuse. Yes, you are correct, women also abuse so do some children but again you are missing the point... It's about the sheer scale of numbers In the short space of time... not decades... just a few years saw 1,400 victims and that Is just one town.
Women can abuse children too - and society must confront it - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent
I'm not interested in singling out any 'group' of people, be they what you consider to be of foreign origin, eastern origin, european origin or English, female or male.
Anyone, any human being, male or female can carry out abuse and it's time we opened our eyes to ALL abuse. Yes, you are correct, women also abuse so do some children but again you are missing the point... It's about the sheer scale of numbers In the short space of time... not decades... just a few years saw 1,400 victims and that Is just one town.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Namechange;1465205 wrote: What a thoroughly nasty, snide swipe to make.
He's a member remember, he Is perfectly entitled to have an opinion just as you do when you come up the rear of another here.
Can we stick to the topic,?
I come up the rear of those I agree with. I don't have my husband or anyone for that matter popping in to back me up every time someone disagrees with me. By the way, it was an observation, nothing nasty in it at all.
He's a member remember, he Is perfectly entitled to have an opinion just as you do when you come up the rear of another here.
Can we stick to the topic,?
I come up the rear of those I agree with. I don't have my husband or anyone for that matter popping in to back me up every time someone disagrees with me. By the way, it was an observation, nothing nasty in it at all.
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Oscar Namechange;1465206 wrote: Yes, you are correct, women also abuse so do some children but again you are missing the point... It's about the sheer scale of numbers In the short space of time... not decades... just a few years saw 1,400 victims and that Is just one town.
FEW meaning more than one but not really more than three???
few meaning what exactly?
the abuse happened over 13 years, so a decade and three years. I don't call 13 years a few years.
FEW meaning more than one but not really more than three???
few meaning what exactly?
the abuse happened over 13 years, so a decade and three years. I don't call 13 years a few years.
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Betty Boop;1465209 wrote: I come up the rear of those I agree with. I don't have my husband or anyone for that matter popping in to back me up every time someone disagrees with me. By the way, it was an observation, nothing nasty in it at all.
So It's OK for you to come right In behind who you choose If you agree with them but because Peter often agree's with me, he can't do the same because he happens to be my husband? No Betty, he's a member.
Now back to topic please.
So It's OK for you to come right In behind who you choose If you agree with them but because Peter often agree's with me, he can't do the same because he happens to be my husband? No Betty, he's a member.
Now back to topic please.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Namechange;1465212 wrote: So It's OK for you to come right In behind who you choose If you agree with them but because Peter often agree's with me, he can't do the same because he happens to be my husband? No Betty, he's a member.
Now back to topic please.
There is only one way to settle this.....
Now back to topic please.
There is only one way to settle this.....
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth