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Fuzzy;1511441 wrote: As if, the poor man were able to do so. There actually is enormous lack of logic and understanding in lalaland.:-5


The lack of logic is yours.

The article seemed to be making a very strong case that the find was a fake, and that the boot itself was not fossilised, and that the contents was unlikely to be human, if of organic origin at all. There are so many hoaxters out there (particularly common on Facebook) where they will take a completely unrelated picture & put a story to it, knowing that the gullible will fall for it hook, line & sinker, without thinking to check up on it. This is clearly one such example.

As for your statement about not seeing any transitional records between canine & feline demonstrates that you have no concept of how Evolution & Common Ancestry works. It is not a case of the different species interbreeding. It is a case of one group of a root species going off in one direction, changing as they progress throughout the ages & the other going in a totally different direction, each adapting to their own environments. The Sabre Tooth Tiger (or any of the Sabre Tooth 'Cats'), for example has been shown to be a common ancestor of both cat & dog, containing DNA from both species. This does NOT mean that Sabre Tooth Cats were the offspring of Cats & Dogs, but that their offspring went on to develop into cats & dogs. Evolution is an ongoing process. This means that every living being - even humans - are transitional beings.

Ted;1511450 wrote: Xfrod I know too much concerning the writing of the Bible. I do not for one moment think the Bible is the word of God. It is a very human creation. Kung writes "The Bible is not in and of itself the word of God but for some God seems to speak to them through the Bible. Satan was an construction of the Mesopotamian culture in an attempt to explain evil. So was Job an attempt to explain evil. In my view the phrase word of God rightly belongs to one the risen one but then we have to see what we mean by that. To make the Bible the "Word of God" is to turn an ancient ext into a form of idolatry. you noted my response to the debate and I find it impossible to believe the Bible is a history book. Maybe like the Bible I want to claim to be god. It's kind of like the fundamentalists have already made up their mind so don't confuse them dwith the facts. Bone fide research shows it is not a history book thouygh it contains some history.


I know too much concerning the writing of the Bible also. I am 100% sure that it is God's word. There is no way that it is a human creation. It couldn't fit together the way that it does if it were human given the fact that it was written over a 1600 year period by 40 authors in different parts of the world and from different walks of life. It is IMPOSSIBLE that isn't divinely inspired. The Bible is inspired and God does speak through the Bible. satan is a real being. The Mesopotamians obviously knew that since it was passed down from Adam to all future generations. Job is a real man. The ancient text isn't God, but as it is God's word, we are to obey it and meditate it. It is God's instructions for our lives. I find it interesting that you don't see the Bible as a history book since it is primarily all historical. I have made up my mind about the Bible and the facts back me up. You don't have to agree with them, but I do. Countless research shows that it IS historical and supported by the actual evidence. I think that you have some bad sources who are misleading you. Try looking at the Creationist side of the story.

xfrodobagginsx;1511569 wrote: I know too much concerning the writing of the Bible also. I am 100% sure that it is God's word. There is no way that it is a human creation. It couldn't fit together the way that it does if it were human given the fact that it was written over a 1600 year period by 40 authors in different parts of the world and from different walks of life. It is IMPOSSIBLE that isn't divinely inspired. The Bible is inspired and God does speak through the Bible. satan is a real being. The Mesopotamians obviously knew that since it was passed down from Adam to all future generations. Job is a real man. The ancient text isn't God, but as it is God's word, we are to obey it and meditate it. It is God's instructions for our lives. I find it interesting that you don't see the Bible as a history book since it is primarily all historical. I have made up my mind about the Bible and the facts back me up. You don't have to agree with them, but I do. Countless research shows that it IS historical and supported by the actual evidence. I think that you have some bad sources who are misleading you. Try looking at the Creationist side of the story.


How little you actually know is more evident with every post you make about how much you know.

xfrodobagginsx;1511569 wrote: Try looking at the Creationist side of the story.


I did, but I had to stop because I was laughing too hard. You see, I understand science, physics, radioactive decay, evolution, stellar life cycles, molecular biology, and quantum physics too well to hide my head.

The problem with people like you xfrodo, is that you want God to this small little personal god that is only concerned with the workings of your life and this dust-spec of a planet. You can't conceive of a being big enough to create whole Universes.

I'll prove it to you with this intellectual exercise. Let's say there is a planet in the Andromeda galaxy that has a life form that lives in the volcanic sulphur springs of a molten world. They are a collective hive mind of bacteria. Let's also say that another hive mind once visited them and they believe that it was the son of God, so, of course, they killed him and are waiting for his return now.

Does God love them? If you say yes, then you admit that Earth is not the center of God's attention. If you say no, then you admit that you are so narrow-minded that you cannot conceive of life in God's Universe other than yourself.

Could there be more than one Son of God? If so, you show you believe that can evolve on other worlds and could on this one too. If you say no, again, you show that your faith is completely egotistical and self-centered.

Saint nice pic. Xfrod you say the bible writers camew from all over the world. What nonsense they were the citizens of the middle east.. As far as the rest goes you are either blind physically or blind wilfully. That post is rubbish.. I find it very difficult to believe that intelligent people continue to literalize a very beautiful ancient text It was written for then and our job is to see if there is some application to modern life. to literalize a beautiful ancient text To see the Bible as "The Word of God" is a form of idolatry. No damned wonder the Christian church is failing. Nonsense like that is simply not even credible. Now you say you have studied the Biuble. I went a few steps further and learned to translate both Hebrew and Greek. I also have had some theological training. Give us a break.

The whole idea of "heaven" was a later addition to the ancient Israelis . They had no concept of an afterlife. I think that could be classed as the evolution of theological thought. Is there a heaven? I have no idea. Have'nt been there.

Ted;1511463 wrote: What nonsense


It's not nonsense.

LarsMac;1511500 wrote: Not all pictures are worth a thousand words.

And some words are worth thousands of pictures.


You can purchase Teddy Bears that are fossilized in a few months.



https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/ho ... yorkshire/

xfrodobagginsx;1511607 wrote: You can purchase Teddy Bears that are fossilized in a few months.



https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/ho ... yorkshire/


I have been to that well.

Sorry. It's really not the same thing.

You are Really beginning to reach, Bud.

FourPart;1511557 wrote: The article seemed to be making a very strong case that the find was a fake, and that the boot itself was not fossilised, and that the contents was unlikely to be human, if of organic origin at all. There are so many hoaxters out there (particularly common on Facebook) where they will take a completely unrelated picture & put a story to it, knowing that the gullible will fall for it hook, line & sinker, without thinking to check up on it. This is clearly one such example.

As for your statement about not seeing any transitional records between canine & feline demonstrates that you have no concept of how Evolution & Common Ancestry works. It is not a case of the different species interbreeding. It is a case of one group of a root species going off in one direction, changing as they progress throughout the ages & the other going in a totally different direction, each adapting to their own environments. The Sabre Tooth Tiger (or any of the Sabre Tooth 'Cats'), for example has been shown to be a common ancestor of both cat & dog, containing DNA from both species. This does NOT mean that Sabre Tooth Cats were the offspring of Cats & Dogs, but that their offspring went on to develop into cats & dogs. Evolution is an ongoing process. This means that every living being - even humans - are transitional beings.


It's ridiculous to assume that the bones are fake. It's not a hoax. The supposed hoax explanation isn't a strong one. I do understand how Evolution and Common Ancestry works. It's intesting that whenever a flaw is pointed out with evolution, that is the 'Go To' catch phrase that evolutionists use. If the animals can interbreed, it means that they are from the same family. It's plain and simple. Sabre tooth tiger is a cat. Nothing more. Not a dog at all. A banana has 50% of the same DNA as a human. It doesn't mean that a banana evolved into a human or that a human is related to a banana.

Really???

xfrodobagginsx;1511621 wrote: It's ridiculous to assume that the bones are fake. It's not a hoax. The supposed hoax explanation isn't a strong one. I do understand how Evolution and Common Ancestry works. It's intesting that whenever a flaw is pointed out with evolution, that is the 'Go To' catch phrase that evolutionists use. If the animals can interbreed, it means that they are from the same family. It's plain and simple. Sabre tooth tiger is a cat. Nothing more. Not a dog at all. A banana has 50% of the same DNA as a human. It doesn't mean that a banana evolved into a human or that a human is related to a banana.


He didn't say the bones were fake. He said the bones are unlikely to be human.

LarsMac;1511570 wrote: How little you actually know is more evident with every post you make about how much you know.


Give examples. What have I said that isn't true?

Saint_;1511580 wrote: I did, but I had to stop because I was laughing too hard. You see, I understand science, physics, radioactive decay, evolution, stellar life cycles, molecular biology, and quantum physics too well to hide my head.

The problem with people like you xfrodo, is that you want God to this small little personal god that is only concerned with the workings of your life and this dust-spec of a planet. You can't conceive of a being big enough to create whole Universes.

I'll prove it to you with this intellectual exercise. Let's say there is a planet in the Andromeda galaxy that has a life form that lives in the volcanic sulphur springs of a molten world. They are a collective hive mind of bacteria. Let's also say that another hive mind once visited them and they believe that it was the son of God, so, of course, they killed him and are waiting for his return now.

Does God love them? If you say yes, then you admit that Earth is not the center of God's attention. If you say no, then you admit that you are so narrow-minded that you cannot conceive of life in God's Universe other than yourself.

Could there be more than one Son of God? If so, you show you believe that can evolve on other worlds and could on this one too. If you say no, again, you show that your faith is completely egotistical and self-centered.


I know that God is big enough to be a personal God concerned with the workings of, not only my life, but the lives of ever person who has ever lived, plus all of the animals that have ever lived, plus all of the other beings that have ever lived, plus all of the atoms in the universe and every other created thing, PLUS He created the whole universe as we know it, and possibly others, but we don't know that, next from you....hypotheticals...interesting...proves nothing...If I were to believe God's word, the Bible, I have no problem believing that man is the highest creation on the earth, and has dominion over all other animals....I have no reason to believe that there is life on other planets, but even if there is, there is no reason to believe that it happened the way that you expect or explained, Does God love a hypothetical? IF He created them, then yes, but it's PURE hypothetical, not reality....Could there be more than one Son of God? No, the Bible says that He is the only begotten of the Father...it's not about my faith being egotistical and self centered, it's about actually BELIEVING God's word, the Bible. It's pretty simple really.

xfrodobagginsx;1511657 wrote: It's pretty simple really. Yes you are.

Ted;1511597 wrote: Saint nice pic. Xfrod you say the bible writers camew from all over the world. What nonsense they were the citizens of the middle east.. As far as the rest goes you are either blind physically or blind wilfully. That post is rubbish.. I find it very difficult to believe that intelligent people continue to literalize a very beautiful ancient text It was written for then and our job is to see if there is some application to modern life. to literalize a beautiful ancient text To see the Bible as "The Word of God" is a form of idolatry. No damned wonder the Christian church is failing. Nonsense like that is simply not even credible. Now you say you have studied the Biuble. I went a few steps further and learned to translate both Hebrew and Greek. I also have had some theological training. Give us a break.


The Bible writers lived in different parts of the world. Not all of them lived in the middle east. They traveled all over the world. Yes, they were Jews, but they traveled all over the world. Instead of calling my posts rubbish, refute what I say with facts and evidence. Otherwise, it shows that you have no argument, just denial. It's not a form of idolatry to actually take God at His word. For someone with training in Hebrew and Greek, you need to actually study the Bible. I can look up the definitions of any word I want, any time I want. It's really easy and I do it all of the time. Give ME a break!

Xfrod you would make a very good fiction writer. That is what you are doing. Now as far a reading the Bible,I do and I also look at the reality which is entirely different from your posts.

Snakes do not talk. Adam and Eve are You and Me, and a host of others but not in the Biblical sense a physical reality, Seas do not part to let folks walk on the driy bottom, People do not kill themselves in two differeent ways, the dead do not come out of their graves and walk around, the temple veil does not just split, The sun does not just stope moving, virgins do not have children unless they have had sex. Now it is time to look at the reality.

Ted;1511600 wrote: The whole idea of "heaven" was a later addition to the ancient Israelis . They had no concept of an afterlife. I think that could be classed as the evolution of theological thought. Is there a heaven? I have no idea. Have'nt been there.


Is There an Expectation of Eternal Life in the Old Testament? - Topical Studies

LarsMac;1511608 wrote: I have been to that well.

Sorry. It's really not the same thing.

You are Really beginning to reach, Bud.


Are you saying that they aren't fossilized Teddy Bears?

According to the historians and scholars the early Jewish people had no concept of an afterlive.

This whole discussion is humorous.

In reality we do not know what happens after death. Eternal life is but a hope it is not an a surety. Many are simply afraid of the future so instead of trusting God they make up stories.. Then they want the Bible to be a contract which it is not.

Where is Frodo? I hope nothing bad has happened to him, like going to heaven too early. He'll be waiting at the gate for opening time.:-2

xfrodobagginsx;1511688 wrote: Are you saying that they aren't fossilized Teddy Bears?


I am saying that.

They may be encrusted in minerals, but that does not make them fossils.

fuzzy love that waiting at the gate for opening time. LOL

LarsMac;1511631 wrote: He didn't say the bones were fake. He said the bones are unlikely to be human.


It's a fossilized foot in a modern cowboy boot. It's not unlikely to be human.

nonsence

xfrodobagginsx;1511731 wrote: It's a fossilized foot in a modern cowboy boot. It's not unlikely to be human.


So, you have a DNA test to prove that?

Just listened to John Spong. He made a comment I found both humorous and serious in some ways. Ask if he was saved and going to heaven. He replied ihe would prefer hell if he had to meet fundamentalists in heaven. LOL

Ted;1511737 wrote: Just listened to John Spong. He made a comment I found both humorous and serious in some ways. Ask if he was saved and going to heaven. He replied ihe would prefer hell if he had to meet fundamentalists in heaven. LOL


I reckon Spong might be mistaken. Hell will be bursting with fundies. Most , if not all of them have been spreading lies for thousands of years. Only decent people go to heaven.

Ted;1511670 wrote: Snakes do not talk. Adam and Eve are You and Me, and a host of others but not in the Biblical sense a physical reality, Seas do not part to let folks walk on the driy bottom, People do not kill themselves in two differeent ways, the dead do not come out of their graves and walk around, the temple veil does not just split, The sun does not just stope moving, virgins do not have children unless they have had sex. Now it is time to look at the reality.


You are right. In the natural world, these things do not happen on their own, UNLESS, it has a supernatural cause. That's the part you don't understand.

Ted;1511689 wrote: According to the historians and scholars the early Jewish people had no concept of an afterlive.


Completely false. The Jesus believed in heaven and hell. The Jews were not permitted at that time to enter heaven because Jesus hadn't presented His sacrifice to the Father yet. Sheol is where they believed the dead went, which is true. They also believed in a resurrection of the just and the unjust where they will be judged. Also true. They didn't know as much detail at that time as is known now because more light has been shed on it via the NT.

Xfrod do you have a reading problem? I said the early Jewish people did not believe in an after life. To say that Jesus died for our sins is to demean a very profound human being and God. Jesus died because he was seen as a subversive and Rome considered him a threat to the empire. I do not accept the supernatural.. The fundies are simply wannabes

Ted;1511693 wrote: In reality we do not know what happens after death. Eternal life is but a hope it is not an a surety. Many are simply afraid of the future so instead of trusting God they make up stories.. Then they want the Bible to be a contract which it is not.


Not true. We have the word of God which was completely inspired by Jesus Christ both before and after His physical birth. Since Jesus created heaven, earth and all things, it stands to reason that He would know what happens after death. Eternal life only a certainty in Christ Jesus. I believe in these things BECAUSE I trust God. The Bible is the word of God, which cannot be broken.

LarsMac;1511713 wrote: I am saying that.

They may be encrusted in minerals, but that does not make them fossils.


Explain the difference. Isn't that how fossils are made?

xfrodobagginsx;1511797 wrote: Explain the difference. Isn't that how fossils are made?


That is just the start.

Xfrod I was raised in a very fundamentalist church and found it to be evil. A literal reading of the Bible raises all kinds of absurdities. "and God saw all that he had make and it was good very good.

LarsMac;1511735 wrote: So, you have a DNA test to prove that?


I have the fact that a foot shaped fossi is inside of the boot. It's common sense.

xfrodobagginsx;1511820 wrote: I have the fact that a foot shaped fossi is inside of the boot. It's common sense.


Whatever life form those bones belong to, they are NOT fossilized.

They are still bone and tissue.

No fossil for you.

I have said it before but will repeat myself. Fundamentalism is not the religion that the apostles set up. It is so far from the ancient church. Literalism really took off about 1809 and so did the Of heaven and hell theology. It is not the Church set up in the Name of one Jesus of Nazareth

Ted;1511830 wrote: I have said it before but will repeat myself. Fundamentalism is not the religion that the apostles set up. It is so far from the ancient church. Literalism really took off about 1809 and so did the Of heaven and hell theology. It is not the Church set up in the Name of one Jesus of Nazareth


I was reading a piece from the Church of the Nazarene. They were explaining why they are not Fundamentalists. Actually, a very interesting perspective. I never attended a Nazarene church, but they all seem like decent folk.

Ted;1511737 wrote: Just listened to John Spong. He made a comment I found both humorous and serious in some ways. Ask if he was saved and going to heaven. He replied ihe would prefer hell if he had to meet fundamentalists in heaven. LOL


That's a pretty sorry statement. Hell is a horrible place of torment with no hope of ever getting out. Maggots and worms eating you, the pain of fire but your body is not consumed, demons tormenting, feeling like you are suffocating, yet you won't die, no sleep, no rest, pitch blackness, sounds of screams....

xfrodobagginsx;1511849 wrote: Hell is a horrible place of torment with no hope of ever getting out.


Actually, the Angel Virgil, when giving Dante Aligheri a tour of Hell, tells him that you can leave Hell, once you have learned to hate evil, through a hole at the center that leads to Heaven.

Xfrom we used to have a reader gr.2 or 3 called "Magic and Make Believe". The title is appropriate to fundamentalism.

xfrodobagginsx;1511849 wrote: That's a pretty sorry statement. Hell is a horrible place of torment with no hope of ever getting out. Maggots and worms eating you, the pain of fire but your body is not consumed, demons tormenting, feeling like you are suffocating, yet you won't die, no sleep, no rest, pitch blackness, sounds of screams....


You've been there?

Hell was an invention to try to explain evil. It failed for the most part.

And to think this is the 21st cent.!!!!!!!