What about Amendment 8 "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
Cruel or unusual punishments ? Incarceration rate only beaten by Seychelles
Paris
Paris
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Paris
Like all firearms, the machine gun/pistol is actually a killing machine , manufactured for the purpose of killing people/animals. A machine gun/pistol is capable of killing many such things at one go, with a short burst of the trigger. I cannot see many owners getting satisfaction out of just shooting at targets, so the temptation and, no doubt, desire to shoot at living things would soon take over . A sad thought that some humans get a thrill from killing another living thing when it isn't for food.
I understand somebody going out with guns in order to kill for food, but I cannot understand the mentality of a human being lusting after killing just for the sake of killing !
I understand somebody going out with guns in order to kill for food, but I cannot understand the mentality of a human being lusting after killing just for the sake of killing !
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
Paris
Bruv;1490053 wrote: You missed the "Like the Heathrow cross wearing Christian" bit.
They may fear the husband,father,brother,mullah and the society in Islamabad, not so much in London or Birmingham.
Following a documentary I watched recently,investigating with a hidden camera racial abuse on the streets of the UK, burka wearers run the gauntlet every time they leave the house................and thats not a contradiction.
I have quite a few friends in the Muslim Community, and I can assure you that a breach from Islamic Tradition is very much a prominent fear in their minds. Maybe not so much about the physical chastisement (although I know that does exist in some of the more extreme households), but the disdain of the rest of the Community is viewed as chastisement enough.
They may fear the husband,father,brother,mullah and the society in Islamabad, not so much in London or Birmingham.
Following a documentary I watched recently,investigating with a hidden camera racial abuse on the streets of the UK, burka wearers run the gauntlet every time they leave the house................and thats not a contradiction.
I have quite a few friends in the Muslim Community, and I can assure you that a breach from Islamic Tradition is very much a prominent fear in their minds. Maybe not so much about the physical chastisement (although I know that does exist in some of the more extreme households), but the disdain of the rest of the Community is viewed as chastisement enough.
Paris
FourPart;1490064 wrote: I have quite a few friends in the Muslim Community, and I can assure you that a breach from Islamic Tradition is very much a prominent fear in their minds. Maybe not so much about the physical chastisement (although I know that does exist in some of the more extreme households), but the disdain of the rest of the Community is viewed as chastisement enough.
The same goes for any community be it church ethnic or cultural.
But.................I stand by my comment.
A bus ride and discarding the veil is a lot safer in a western country than down town Islamabad.
The same goes for any community be it church ethnic or cultural.
But.................I stand by my comment.
A bus ride and discarding the veil is a lot safer in a western country than down town Islamabad.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Paris
Bruv;1490068 wrote: A bus ride and discarding the veil is a lot safer in a western country than down town Islamabad.
I was unaware that I knew anyone who had visited Islamabad.
I was unaware that I knew anyone who had visited Islamabad.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Paris
spot;1490069 wrote: I was unaware that I knew anyone who had visited Islamabad.
Why would you necessarily know anyway?
It's not ALL about you.
Or are you being clever.............again?
Why would you necessarily know anyway?
It's not ALL about you.
Or are you being clever.............again?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Paris
That last suggestion seems likelier.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Paris
FourPart;1490038 wrote: Isn't it ironic that we decry the Islamicists for not moving with the times & interpreting the Qu'ran in it's literal sense from the time at which it was written, when the U.S. is doing exactly the same thing with a document created about 240 years ago, when guns still had to be loaded with a ramrod.
How long will it be before the individual citizen is allowed to arm themselves with a nuclear missile?
According to one of our former members they already are.
How long will it be before the individual citizen is allowed to arm themselves with a nuclear missile?
According to one of our former members they already are.
Paris
tude dog;1490059 wrote: No more madness than someone who wants to own a race car.
I wouldn't mind owning a machine gun. They are fun to shoot.
Owning a race/sports car can't be compared to owning a gun, TD. Race cars are all about the thrill and skill of travelling really quickly, and are not designed primarily for killing things, whereas guns most definitely are! Personally speaking, I've owned a couple of super-bikes myself, one of which would 'see off' a Ferrari with little trouble! I've also raced high performance go-karts for many years, and can attest to
the fact that even in the intense 'heat' of the competitive scene, there are very few injuries, let alone fatalities.....
There's just no comparison, TD.
Maybe shooting a machine gun is fun, but think what it is designed for!
I wouldn't mind owning a machine gun. They are fun to shoot.
Owning a race/sports car can't be compared to owning a gun, TD. Race cars are all about the thrill and skill of travelling really quickly, and are not designed primarily for killing things, whereas guns most definitely are! Personally speaking, I've owned a couple of super-bikes myself, one of which would 'see off' a Ferrari with little trouble! I've also raced high performance go-karts for many years, and can attest to
the fact that even in the intense 'heat' of the competitive scene, there are very few injuries, let alone fatalities.....
There's just no comparison, TD.
Maybe shooting a machine gun is fun, but think what it is designed for!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Paris
G#Gill;1490063 wrote: Like all firearms, the machine gun/pistol is actually a killing machine , manufactured for the purpose of killing people/animals. A machine gun/pistol is capable of killing many such things at one go, with a short burst of the trigger. I cannot see many owners getting satisfaction out of just shooting at targets, so the temptation and, no doubt, desire to shoot at living things would soon take over .
Really?
I wonder of the millions of Americans who target shoot suffered such a condition.
When was the last time a person was murdered by any a machine gun? Last I heard only one by a legally owned machine gun.
Meanwhile, we just tame the savage beast in us.
F.A.S.Ts
Knob Creek
G#Gill;1490063 wrote: A sad thought that some humans get a thrill from killing another living thing when it isn't for food.
Me and everyother hunter couldn't agree more.
G#Gill;1490063 wrote: I understand somebody going out with guns in order to kill for food, but I cannot understand the mentality of a human being lusting after killing just for the sake of killing !
Really?
I wonder of the millions of Americans who target shoot suffered such a condition.
When was the last time a person was murdered by any a machine gun? Last I heard only one by a legally owned machine gun.
Meanwhile, we just tame the savage beast in us.
F.A.S.Ts
Knob Creek
G#Gill;1490063 wrote: A sad thought that some humans get a thrill from killing another living thing when it isn't for food.
Me and everyother hunter couldn't agree more.
G#Gill;1490063 wrote: I understand somebody going out with guns in order to kill for food, but I cannot understand the mentality of a human being lusting after killing just for the sake of killing !
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Paris
I have done clay pigeon shooting, my brothers have been regular what we call rough shooters for most of their adult life, shooting pigeons for sport.
One of my brothers is involved in game shooting and I don't see a lot wrong with that, the birds are raised for shooting.It helps preserve the countryside habitat for other wildlife I understand.
But shooting up cars? And the website builder should get some site building lessons.
And "Knob Creek" as location for family machine gun shooting (under 10's free entry)................seems very apt.
One of my brothers is involved in game shooting and I don't see a lot wrong with that, the birds are raised for shooting.It helps preserve the countryside habitat for other wildlife I understand.
But shooting up cars? And the website builder should get some site building lessons.
And "Knob Creek" as location for family machine gun shooting (under 10's free entry)................seems very apt.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Paris
Smaug;1490078 wrote: Owning a race/sports car can't be compared to owning a gun, TD. Race cars are all about the thrill and skill of travelling really quickly, and are not designed primarily for killing things, whereas guns most definitely are! Personally speaking, I've owned a couple of super-bikes myself, one of which would 'see off' a Ferrari with little trouble! I've also raced high performance go-karts for many years, and can attest to
the fact that even in the intense 'heat' of the competitive scene, there are very few injuries, let alone fatalities.....
There's just no comparison, TD.
Maybe shooting a machine gun is fun, but think what it is designed for!
You are right.
Race cars speeding on freeways, dodging in and out of lanes. Cutting people off etc.
I've seen a lot of that. It happens every day. The costs every year due to injury, damage and traffic delays to thousands of motorists.
Somebody attacked by someone with a machine gun.
the fact that even in the intense 'heat' of the competitive scene, there are very few injuries, let alone fatalities.....
There's just no comparison, TD.
Maybe shooting a machine gun is fun, but think what it is designed for!
You are right.
Race cars speeding on freeways, dodging in and out of lanes. Cutting people off etc.
I've seen a lot of that. It happens every day. The costs every year due to injury, damage and traffic delays to thousands of motorists.
Somebody attacked by someone with a machine gun.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Paris
Bruv;1490085 wrote: I have done clay pigeon shooting, my brothers have been regular what we call rough shooters for most of their adult life, shooting pigeons for sport.
One of my brothers is involved in game shooting and I don't see a lot wrong with that, the birds are raised for shooting.It helps preserve the countryside habitat for other wildlife I understand.
I am a long time target shooter. Wasn't until I moved here I took up trap [clay pigeon] shooting. Though I did not grow up in a hunting culture, I've always had an interest.
I now live in an area where a lot of commerce is done by visiting hunters and I can't see why I shouldn't join the hunt.
Bruv;1490085 wrote: But shooting up cars? And the website builder should get some site building lessons.
And "Knob Creek" as location for family machine gun shooting (under 10's free entry)................seems very apt.
My response was to the concept that there is no other use for a machine gun but to kill.
There is recreational use not involving the loss of life. Of course parents would like share their interests.
Shooting a car may seem strange to you, but then raising pigeons for the purpose of being shot sounds strange to me.
Twice after a race I enjoyed an exhibition of Demolitio derby
What would really like to see sometime is Figure 8 Racing
One of my brothers is involved in game shooting and I don't see a lot wrong with that, the birds are raised for shooting.It helps preserve the countryside habitat for other wildlife I understand.
I am a long time target shooter. Wasn't until I moved here I took up trap [clay pigeon] shooting. Though I did not grow up in a hunting culture, I've always had an interest.
I now live in an area where a lot of commerce is done by visiting hunters and I can't see why I shouldn't join the hunt.
Bruv;1490085 wrote: But shooting up cars? And the website builder should get some site building lessons.
And "Knob Creek" as location for family machine gun shooting (under 10's free entry)................seems very apt.
My response was to the concept that there is no other use for a machine gun but to kill.
There is recreational use not involving the loss of life. Of course parents would like share their interests.
Shooting a car may seem strange to you, but then raising pigeons for the purpose of being shot sounds strange to me.
Twice after a race I enjoyed an exhibition of Demolitio derby
What would really like to see sometime is Figure 8 Racing
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Paris
'American Dream' and easy gun access blamed for mass shootings in the US - Mirror Online
Paris
FourPart;1490094 wrote: 'American Dream' and easy gun access blamed for mass shootings in the US - Mirror Online
Very few are done by a rifle and none by machine gun.
Very few are done by a rifle and none by machine gun.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Paris
tude dog;1490090 wrote: Shooting a car may seem strange to you, but then raising pigeons for the purpose of being shot sounds strange to me.
We don't raise pigeons to shoot, they are wild bird seen as flying vermin to a farmer eating or spoiling his crop before he can harvest it.
'Game shooting' is when we raise pheasant or grouse purely for sport.
As for machine gunning cars with your 7 year old daughter, no sorry that is not nice,sorry.
We don't raise pigeons to shoot, they are wild bird seen as flying vermin to a farmer eating or spoiling his crop before he can harvest it.
'Game shooting' is when we raise pheasant or grouse purely for sport.
As for machine gunning cars with your 7 year old daughter, no sorry that is not nice,sorry.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Paris
tude dog;1490100 wrote: Very few are done by a rifle and none by machine gun.
None? Not true.
Few? Possibly.
As for with a rifle - probably ten times the number of a country where firearms are not legal.
None? Not true.
Few? Possibly.
As for with a rifle - probably ten times the number of a country where firearms are not legal.
Paris
Very few? The very scenario of a crazy with an assault rifle picking off kids in a school yard is synonymous with the US.
None with Machine Guns? What about the Valentine Day Massacre? Bit dated, perhaps, but that's just one off the top of my head. No doubt with a bit more research there would be more to find, but even the one incident nullifies the claim of 'none'.
None with Machine Guns? What about the Valentine Day Massacre? Bit dated, perhaps, but that's just one off the top of my head. No doubt with a bit more research there would be more to find, but even the one incident nullifies the claim of 'none'.
Paris
What's with this changing the title thing. The thread is supposed to be titled PARIS, but somebody is messing about and the title changes to REPLY ! So why is this happening ?
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
Paris
G#Gill;1490109 wrote: What's with this changing the title thing. The thread is supposed to be titled PARIS, but somebody is messing about and the title changes to REPLY ! So why is this happening ?
Well, it hasn't been about Paris for quite some time. And somebody a ways back appears to have made a point of that.
Well, it hasn't been about Paris for quite some time. And somebody a ways back appears to have made a point of that.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Paris
Bryn Mawr;1490102 wrote: None? Not true.
Few? Possibly.
As for with a rifle - probably ten times the number of a country where firearms are not legal.
I was speaking of the US.
In relative numbers:
rifle 248
handgun 5,562
Knives or cutting instruments 1567
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 660
Other weapons or weapons not stated 830
FBI
I find it fascinating that more people are murdered by (hands, fists, feet, etc.) than all rifles combined. In my lifetime cannot remember reading of someone murdered by legally owned machine gun.
Few? Possibly.
As for with a rifle - probably ten times the number of a country where firearms are not legal.
I was speaking of the US.
In relative numbers:
rifle 248
handgun 5,562
Knives or cutting instruments 1567
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 660
Other weapons or weapons not stated 830
FBI
I find it fascinating that more people are murdered by (hands, fists, feet, etc.) than all rifles combined. In my lifetime cannot remember reading of someone murdered by legally owned machine gun.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Paris
LarsMac;1490110 wrote: Well, it hasn't been about Paris for quite some time. And somebody a ways back appears to have made a point of that.
Well OK then. I was just enquiring. Matters not to me anyway. Funny how some threads just swerve right off topic !
Well OK then. I was just enquiring. Matters not to me anyway. Funny how some threads just swerve right off topic !
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
Paris
FourPart;1490106 wrote: Very few? The very scenario of a crazy with an assault rifle picking off kids in a school yard is synonymous with the US.
Since you brought it up, it was a semi-automatic rifle. Calling it an assault rifle is a political term.
FourPart;1490106 wrote: None with Machine Guns? What about the Valentine Day Massacre? Bit dated, perhaps, but that's just one off the top of my head.
My 87-year-old dad was six months old when that happened.
Saint Valentine's Day Massacre
No doubt there were more after that.
I've read that in my lifetime there was one murderer who uses a legally owned machine gun. If there were more, legally owned or otherwise.
FourPart;1490106 wrote: No doubt with a bit more research there would be more to find, but even the one incident nullifies the claim of 'none'.
Point taken.
It is something that interests me and I have tried. Not too hard as if such a thing did happen it would be big time news.
Not to far from where I use to live, by miracle nobody was killed, 1997
For the heck of it a personal coinkydink.
In, 1997 we lived a mile from the robbers. In 1967, I live two blocks from that house.
Since you brought it up, it was a semi-automatic rifle. Calling it an assault rifle is a political term.
FourPart;1490106 wrote: None with Machine Guns? What about the Valentine Day Massacre? Bit dated, perhaps, but that's just one off the top of my head.
My 87-year-old dad was six months old when that happened.
Saint Valentine's Day Massacre
No doubt there were more after that.
I've read that in my lifetime there was one murderer who uses a legally owned machine gun. If there were more, legally owned or otherwise.
FourPart;1490106 wrote: No doubt with a bit more research there would be more to find, but even the one incident nullifies the claim of 'none'.
Point taken.
It is something that interests me and I have tried. Not too hard as if such a thing did happen it would be big time news.
Not to far from where I use to live, by miracle nobody was killed, 1997
For the heck of it a personal coinkydink.
In, 1997 we lived a mile from the robbers. In 1967, I live two blocks from that house.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Paris
Charlie Hebdo: Pope Francis says if you swear at my mother – or Islam – 'expect a punch' | Europe | News | The Independent
You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.
Wonder if he still thinks the same. I find it offensive that the religious claim the right to use violence against those who disagree with them - verbal provocation is never an excuse for violence even if you believe you have a god given right to take offence. The church used to torture and burn people at the stake for disagreeing with them and there's an awful lot of "christians" who still wish they could or at least they'd like to shoot the gay people. That islam justifies violence in the name of religion is just keeping with tradition.
You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.
Wonder if he still thinks the same. I find it offensive that the religious claim the right to use violence against those who disagree with them - verbal provocation is never an excuse for violence even if you believe you have a god given right to take offence. The church used to torture and burn people at the stake for disagreeing with them and there's an awful lot of "christians" who still wish they could or at least they'd like to shoot the gay people. That islam justifies violence in the name of religion is just keeping with tradition.
Paris
Maybe he has forgotten "Turn the other cheek"
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Paris
GunCite - Gun Control: Machine Guns
Interesting article, including details of 2 homicides committed with legally owned machine guns.
Interesting article, including details of 2 homicides committed with legally owned machine guns.
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Jihadists or those who promoted the Crusades, dark ages against free thought and Inquisition are all cut from the same idol worshiping Abrahamic cloth.
We have barely gotten Christianity civilized and now backwards thinking Muslim immigration is threatening to force back all of our hard won gains against homophobic and misogynous religions.
Catholicism. Christianity and Islam should all be outlawed and cursed to hell by all Western secular governments.
Their ideologies are inferior to Western laws that promote equality and freedom from religion. It is the duty of all secular states to protect their better ideologies from the more odious religious ideologies.
If Muslims do not have the guts to fight for a better world in their countries, I do not see why the West would want to suffer those cowards in ours, especially when they want to bring their vile and immoral Sharia law with them.
Regards
DL
We have barely gotten Christianity civilized and now backwards thinking Muslim immigration is threatening to force back all of our hard won gains against homophobic and misogynous religions.
Catholicism. Christianity and Islam should all be outlawed and cursed to hell by all Western secular governments.
Their ideologies are inferior to Western laws that promote equality and freedom from religion. It is the duty of all secular states to protect their better ideologies from the more odious religious ideologies.
If Muslims do not have the guts to fight for a better world in their countries, I do not see why the West would want to suffer those cowards in ours, especially when they want to bring their vile and immoral Sharia law with them.
Regards
DL