The thing I find baffling is that there's no course available to sack anyone in such a position.
When it comes to major scandals, be they due to incompetence, neglect, or outright fraud, etc., leading figures should not be permitted to 'resign' gracefully. They should be sacked & publicly humiliated. After all, if anyone else was in a standard day to day job & you got found dipping your fingers in the till, or brushing embarrassing issues under the carpet, you'd be (quite rightly) out on your ear.
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Laws have to be changed In order to sack them.
Have you seen them squirming at the enquiry.?
He was asked how police went to a house of several ' asian ' men to find a 12 year old girl and police arrested the girl for being drunk. No charges were brought against the men because they claimed she had fully consented to sex with all of them.
Then they asked about the Father who tried to remove his daughter from a house full of ' asian ' men and was arrested.
There are no other words than ' cover up'.
In any other crime, these actions would be conspiricy or aiding and abetting the abuser.
Have you seen them squirming at the enquiry.?
He was asked how police went to a house of several ' asian ' men to find a 12 year old girl and police arrested the girl for being drunk. No charges were brought against the men because they claimed she had fully consented to sex with all of them.
Then they asked about the Father who tried to remove his daughter from a house full of ' asian ' men and was arrested.
There are no other words than ' cover up'.
In any other crime, these actions would be conspiricy or aiding and abetting the abuser.
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Oh the Irony.... a year and a half ago.... sorry ? Who's talking rubbish ?
Nick Griffin BNP MEP - The Inconvenient Truth About Islam 04/02/13 - YouTube
Nick Griffin BNP MEP - The Inconvenient Truth About Islam 04/02/13 - YouTube
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Even there he starts with reference to colour in a negative way. Most people would refer to an elephant in the room. Not him. With him it's a GREEN elephant in our midst.
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FourPart;1464544 wrote: Even there he starts with reference to colour in a negative way. Most people would refer to an elephant in the room. Not him. With him it's a GREEN elephant in our midst.
Sigh
Perhaps he was deliberately using ' green ' to avoid being called racist by those who would have jumped on him using ' white' despite It being a well known saying...
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Perhaps he was deliberately using ' green ' to avoid being called racist by those who would have jumped on him using ' white' despite It being a well known saying...
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I've only ever known it to be referred to as an elephant, with no reference to a colour at all.
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Actually, that also reminds me of a Panto we did with the choir one Xmas.
One of the characters (the Good Wizard) was actually a Primary School Maths Teacher in real life, so he worked well with the kids. Anyway, he was doing one of those things with "Think of a number... take away the number you first thought of", etc., ultimately forcing the number '4' on the audience. At which point he directs the audience to think of a country beginning with the letter in their mind (as in 'A' = 1, 'B' = 2 etc). Then to take the 2nd letter & think of an animal they might find in that country.
He would then turn over a flip chart with in great big colourful letters "BUT THERE ARE NO ELEPHANTS IN DENMARK".
Typical of me, though - I ended up with an Ocelot in the Domincan Republic.
One of the characters (the Good Wizard) was actually a Primary School Maths Teacher in real life, so he worked well with the kids. Anyway, he was doing one of those things with "Think of a number... take away the number you first thought of", etc., ultimately forcing the number '4' on the audience. At which point he directs the audience to think of a country beginning with the letter in their mind (as in 'A' = 1, 'B' = 2 etc). Then to take the 2nd letter & think of an animal they might find in that country.
He would then turn over a flip chart with in great big colourful letters "BUT THERE ARE NO ELEPHANTS IN DENMARK".
Typical of me, though - I ended up with an Ocelot in the Domincan Republic.
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No Fourpart, this Is not the BNP nor any other Far Right blog... this Is an Independent news source.
Memo to the BBC: The 'Far Right' Did Not Decapitate David Haines nor Rape 1400 Girls in Rotherham
People are waking up.... I've never had so may enquiries to deal with In one month.
Memo to the BBC: The 'Far Right' Did Not Decapitate David Haines nor Rape 1400 Girls in Rotherham
People are waking up.... I've never had so may enquiries to deal with In one month.
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Oscar Namechange;1464562 wrote: No Fourpart, this Is not the BNP nor any other Far Right blog... this Is an Independent news source.
Memo to the BBC: The 'Far Right' Did Not Decapitate David Haines nor Rape 1400 Girls in Rotherham
People are waking up.... I've never had so may enquiries to deal with In one month.
How do you relate criminal rapes in Rotherham with ISIS beheadings ?
And if you were a Islamist fundamentalist a beheading or three would pale into insignificance alongside this lot....HERE.....realistically.
Memo to the BBC: The 'Far Right' Did Not Decapitate David Haines nor Rape 1400 Girls in Rotherham
People are waking up.... I've never had so may enquiries to deal with In one month.
How do you relate criminal rapes in Rotherham with ISIS beheadings ?
And if you were a Islamist fundamentalist a beheading or three would pale into insignificance alongside this lot....HERE.....realistically.
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I came across this site:
Kent | Database of UK and Eire paedophiles/child abusers | Page 16
And whilst scanning through quite a few pages I only saw 1 Islamic name (Mohammed something-or-other). The only other 'foreign' names were a few 'Mc'Something-or-anothers.
Kent | Database of UK and Eire paedophiles/child abusers | Page 16
And whilst scanning through quite a few pages I only saw 1 Islamic name (Mohammed something-or-other). The only other 'foreign' names were a few 'Mc'Something-or-anothers.
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No such thing as an Islamic name when pertaining a Muslim, it is after, a religion.
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Bruv;1464578 wrote: No such thing as an Islamic name when pertaining a Muslim, it is after, a religion.
It is precisely for that reason that there ARE easily recognisable Islamic names. They're not exactly the most imaginative lot. They all seem to be name after one or another of the Q'uranic characters - the vast majority be 'Mohammed', or 'Mustapha'. Even when you get a convert to Islam they change their name accordingly. Cat Stevens, for instance - changed his name to Yusaf Islam. Now you tell me that's not an Islamic name.
It is precisely for that reason that there ARE easily recognisable Islamic names. They're not exactly the most imaginative lot. They all seem to be name after one or another of the Q'uranic characters - the vast majority be 'Mohammed', or 'Mustapha'. Even when you get a convert to Islam they change their name accordingly. Cat Stevens, for instance - changed his name to Yusaf Islam. Now you tell me that's not an Islamic name.
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However uncomfortable this Is for anyone to admit, these groomers are In the main men of Pakistani origin and Muslim. At last the authorities admit that and newspapers are printing that.
Rochdale Is the tip of the Iceberg. There has already been gangs convicted In Oxford and police have admitted 54 trials In the making all over the country. Two weeks ago, there were arrests In Keighly where Nick Griffin spoke out and was arrested. This week 22 have been arrested In Manchester and there Is one In the South that's about to break. Dewsbury and Oldham are next.
However much anyone wants to bury their head In the sand, this Is a pandemic. What disgusts me, Is those who choose to Ignore the facts rather than face up to the fact that we as a country have allowed this and face facts on how we deal with It. To admit this Is a pandemic, Is to admit the so called diversity Labour push for has failed and put children at risk.
Marlene Guest BNP started her report on Rotherham 10 years ago. Her hard evidence that Included witness statements from children were presented to the Council, police and Muslim Communities and It was deny deny deny. How many more victims were racked up simply because hating the BNP was far more Important than actually doing something?
Now tabloids are printing that due to Rotherham, there Is a far Right uprising In this country. We were shouting about this years ago. It's true that since the Rotherham scandal broke, there has been a swing to the far right. I've never dealt with the numbers of enquiries Into the Party as I have these past few weeks... but now this bunch comes out.
A Muslim youth group in Rotherham has demanded justice for the children sexually exploited in the South Yorkshire town - but insisted the scandal should not be seen as a "Muslim problem".
A report into the abuse, which took place between 1997 and 2013, revealed than many of the perpetrators were of Pakistani origin.
However, in an emotionally charged press conference, British Muslim Youth founder Muhbeen Hussain said the Muslim community was united in calling for justice.
"We are not here to deny anything - the report clearly shows a large number of those individuals were Pakistani Muslim men," he said.
"But we don't support the sentiment that it is a Pakistani or a Muslim problem.
"It is clear what these individuals did but they are not part of our community - the only community they are a part of is the criminal community.
What a complete contradiction !!!!!!
Well sorry, but Muslim Youth, Muslim communities as well as the authorities were Informed about Rotherham years ago. We do not believe there's a cat In hell's chance that given the scale, that they did not know what was going on. Shame on them now for coming out with this garbage after they were presented with the evidence years ago. Shame on them for waiting until only they see a far right back lash In Rotherham before they spoke out. Shame on them for cashing In now when they could have done something years ago. Shame on them for choosing to make hating the far right more Important than doing something about It In their communities. If they wanted justice for those children, they could have looked Into Marlene Guest's report years ago when she presented It to them and they part of the ' surgery' held In Rotherham years ago with authorities where the very same Muslim Youth deemed Marlene vile and stirring up racial hatred.
Too little too late.
Muslim Youth: We Want Justice For The 1,400
This Is not about them wanting justice for the 1,400 children. This Is about being excused for doing nothing when they had the chance years ago,
Rochdale Is the tip of the Iceberg. There has already been gangs convicted In Oxford and police have admitted 54 trials In the making all over the country. Two weeks ago, there were arrests In Keighly where Nick Griffin spoke out and was arrested. This week 22 have been arrested In Manchester and there Is one In the South that's about to break. Dewsbury and Oldham are next.
However much anyone wants to bury their head In the sand, this Is a pandemic. What disgusts me, Is those who choose to Ignore the facts rather than face up to the fact that we as a country have allowed this and face facts on how we deal with It. To admit this Is a pandemic, Is to admit the so called diversity Labour push for has failed and put children at risk.
Marlene Guest BNP started her report on Rotherham 10 years ago. Her hard evidence that Included witness statements from children were presented to the Council, police and Muslim Communities and It was deny deny deny. How many more victims were racked up simply because hating the BNP was far more Important than actually doing something?
Now tabloids are printing that due to Rotherham, there Is a far Right uprising In this country. We were shouting about this years ago. It's true that since the Rotherham scandal broke, there has been a swing to the far right. I've never dealt with the numbers of enquiries Into the Party as I have these past few weeks... but now this bunch comes out.
A Muslim youth group in Rotherham has demanded justice for the children sexually exploited in the South Yorkshire town - but insisted the scandal should not be seen as a "Muslim problem".
A report into the abuse, which took place between 1997 and 2013, revealed than many of the perpetrators were of Pakistani origin.
However, in an emotionally charged press conference, British Muslim Youth founder Muhbeen Hussain said the Muslim community was united in calling for justice.
"We are not here to deny anything - the report clearly shows a large number of those individuals were Pakistani Muslim men," he said.
"But we don't support the sentiment that it is a Pakistani or a Muslim problem.
"It is clear what these individuals did but they are not part of our community - the only community they are a part of is the criminal community.
What a complete contradiction !!!!!!
Well sorry, but Muslim Youth, Muslim communities as well as the authorities were Informed about Rotherham years ago. We do not believe there's a cat In hell's chance that given the scale, that they did not know what was going on. Shame on them now for coming out with this garbage after they were presented with the evidence years ago. Shame on them for waiting until only they see a far right back lash In Rotherham before they spoke out. Shame on them for cashing In now when they could have done something years ago. Shame on them for choosing to make hating the far right more Important than doing something about It In their communities. If they wanted justice for those children, they could have looked Into Marlene Guest's report years ago when she presented It to them and they part of the ' surgery' held In Rotherham years ago with authorities where the very same Muslim Youth deemed Marlene vile and stirring up racial hatred.
Too little too late.
Muslim Youth: We Want Justice For The 1,400
This Is not about them wanting justice for the 1,400 children. This Is about being excused for doing nothing when they had the chance years ago,
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FourPart;1464603 wrote: It is precisely for that reason that there ARE easily recognisable Islamic names. They're not exactly the most imaginative lot. They all seem to be name after one or another of the Q'uranic characters - the vast majority be 'Mohammed', or 'Mustapha'. Even when you get a convert to Islam they change their name accordingly. Cat Stevens, for instance - changed his name to Yusaf Islam. Now you tell me that's not an Islamic name.
I cannot see that sorry. You are saying everybody in Iran is Mohammed ?
Or maybe Christians name the kids John after John the Baptist ?
There are common names in certain countries, so prophets get named similarly. The fact that converts choose names of prophets means nothing.
I cannot see that sorry. You are saying everybody in Iran is Mohammed ?
Or maybe Christians name the kids John after John the Baptist ?
There are common names in certain countries, so prophets get named similarly. The fact that converts choose names of prophets means nothing.
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Oscar Namechange;1464606 wrote: However uncomfortable this Is for anyone to admit, these groomers are In the main men of Pakistani origin and Muslim.
I haven't read all this because I stumbled at the first line, I shall read later..........maybe.
The perpertrators happen to be Pakistani, and beyond that criminals.
They are first and formost criminals anything else is incidental.
If the Pope kiddy fiddles his religion is irrelevent, he is not carrying out his religious directives, he will be a bad bad Christian to do such things......the same applies to Muslims.
I haven't read all this because I stumbled at the first line, I shall read later..........maybe.
The perpertrators happen to be Pakistani, and beyond that criminals.
They are first and formost criminals anything else is incidental.
If the Pope kiddy fiddles his religion is irrelevent, he is not carrying out his religious directives, he will be a bad bad Christian to do such things......the same applies to Muslims.
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Bruv;1464611 wrote: I haven't read all this because I stumbled at the first line, I shall read later..........maybe.
The perpertrators happen to be Pakistani, and beyond that criminals.
They are first and formost criminals anything else is incidental.
If the Pope kiddy fiddles his religion is irrelevent, he is not carrying out his religious directives, he will be a bad bad Christian to do such things......the same applies to Muslims.
I think you are wrong.. It's about culture and that must be addressed.
Over the past two decades, we have seen crimes that we never saw before In this country. Female Genital Mutilation, Beheadings, acid attacks, genetic birth defects due to first cousin marraiges, terror plots, Honour Killings and grooming.... crimes we never saw 20 years ago.... that's culture !!!
The perpertrators happen to be Pakistani, and beyond that criminals.
They are first and formost criminals anything else is incidental.
If the Pope kiddy fiddles his religion is irrelevent, he is not carrying out his religious directives, he will be a bad bad Christian to do such things......the same applies to Muslims.
I think you are wrong.. It's about culture and that must be addressed.
Over the past two decades, we have seen crimes that we never saw before In this country. Female Genital Mutilation, Beheadings, acid attacks, genetic birth defects due to first cousin marraiges, terror plots, Honour Killings and grooming.... crimes we never saw 20 years ago.... that's culture !!!
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The thing is about Nick Griffin is that he's the boy who cries wolf. With him, no matter what it is, it's the Pakistanis & Muslims that are to blame. Unemployment. Blame the Pakistanis. Inflation. Blame the Pakistanis. Potholes in the road. Blame the Pakistanis. Even if the Martians were to invade Earth he'd claim it was because they were actually Muslim & were in league with the Pakistanis.
Sooner or later, with such an obnoxiously racist policy as his, it's eventually bound to hit home on something that matches his claims, even if purely by chance. It's like playing the lottery with the same numbers every week. This is the reason that no-one takes him seriously.
Sooner or later, with such an obnoxiously racist policy as his, it's eventually bound to hit home on something that matches his claims, even if purely by chance. It's like playing the lottery with the same numbers every week. This is the reason that no-one takes him seriously.
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FourPart;1464628 wrote: The thing is about Nick Griffin is that he's the boy who cries wolf. With him, no matter what it is, it's the Pakistanis & Muslims that are to blame. Unemployment. Blame the Pakistanis. Inflation. Blame the Pakistanis. Potholes in the road. Blame the Pakistanis. Even if the Martians were to invade Earth he'd claim it was because they were actually Muslim & were in league with the Pakistanis.
Sooner or later, with such an obnoxiously racist policy as his, it's eventually bound to hit home on something that matches his claims, even if purely by chance. It's like playing the lottery with the same numbers every week. This is the reason that no-one takes him seriously.
Sorry but that Is complete bollocks... How many speeches of Nick Griffin's have you heard? How many EU Issue's have you heard him raise? How many times for example have you heard him speak on our wildlife, Bullfighting, Seal Hunting... how many speeches have you heard about quango's, education, Infrastructure, unemployment etc etc etc
You hear what you what to hear and close your ears to the rest.
During not one but two trials when he was on trial for Inciting racial hatred, In order for him to found not guilty, he had to prove that grooming existed In Keighly. Without the proof, he would have been found guilty. During those trials, he provided the evidence. What Is shameful, Is that the BBC and other news sources were In those trials 5 years ago every day. They saw and heard his evidence that saw him acquitted. Yet, not one of those BBC reporters went back to their bosses ( or maybe they did ) and said ' Look, this guys got a point, maybe we should look Into this further'.
Instead, they were all too busy, just like you, blotting out 90% to hone In on 10% and get your facts right... Griffin was not the first to state this grooming was carried out by Pakistani men.... that came from the Professor Jay's official report... NOT Griffin.
Sooner or later, with such an obnoxiously racist policy as his, it's eventually bound to hit home on something that matches his claims, even if purely by chance. It's like playing the lottery with the same numbers every week. This is the reason that no-one takes him seriously.
Sorry but that Is complete bollocks... How many speeches of Nick Griffin's have you heard? How many EU Issue's have you heard him raise? How many times for example have you heard him speak on our wildlife, Bullfighting, Seal Hunting... how many speeches have you heard about quango's, education, Infrastructure, unemployment etc etc etc
You hear what you what to hear and close your ears to the rest.
During not one but two trials when he was on trial for Inciting racial hatred, In order for him to found not guilty, he had to prove that grooming existed In Keighly. Without the proof, he would have been found guilty. During those trials, he provided the evidence. What Is shameful, Is that the BBC and other news sources were In those trials 5 years ago every day. They saw and heard his evidence that saw him acquitted. Yet, not one of those BBC reporters went back to their bosses ( or maybe they did ) and said ' Look, this guys got a point, maybe we should look Into this further'.
Instead, they were all too busy, just like you, blotting out 90% to hone In on 10% and get your facts right... Griffin was not the first to state this grooming was carried out by Pakistani men.... that came from the Professor Jay's official report... NOT Griffin.
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Oscar Namechange;1464619 wrote: I think you are wrong.. It's about culture and that must be addressed.
Over the past two decades, we have seen crimes that we never saw before In this country. Female Genital Mutilation, Beheadings, acid attacks, genetic birth defects due to first cousin marraiges, terror plots, Honour Killings and grooming.... crimes we never saw 20 years ago.... that's culture !!!
And I think you are wrong......ner ner.
The fact that it is Pakistani men means that there should be heightened awareness about opportunities afforded to Pakistani men to the crime concerned. The same as Priests and DJ's and young ladies in bars wearing mini skirts ?
There may be a heightened incidence amongst certain sections of society, that is why Chefs and Bar staff pay more motor insurance, even teetotal ones.......it is linked to cultural differences amongst the members of OUR society, to draw that massive divisive line and regard ALL Muslim or Pakistani men as a possible perpetrators is racist.....sorry. No I am not sorry to be honest.
Over the past two decades, we have seen crimes that we never saw before In this country. Female Genital Mutilation, Beheadings, acid attacks, genetic birth defects due to first cousin marraiges, terror plots, Honour Killings and grooming.... crimes we never saw 20 years ago.... that's culture !!!
And I think you are wrong......ner ner.
The fact that it is Pakistani men means that there should be heightened awareness about opportunities afforded to Pakistani men to the crime concerned. The same as Priests and DJ's and young ladies in bars wearing mini skirts ?
There may be a heightened incidence amongst certain sections of society, that is why Chefs and Bar staff pay more motor insurance, even teetotal ones.......it is linked to cultural differences amongst the members of OUR society, to draw that massive divisive line and regard ALL Muslim or Pakistani men as a possible perpetrators is racist.....sorry. No I am not sorry to be honest.
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Bruv;1464641 wrote: And I think you are wrong......ner ner.
The fact that it is Pakistani men means that there should be heightened awareness about opportunities afforded to Pakistani men to the crime concerned. The same as Priests and DJ's and young ladies in bars wearing mini skirts ?
There may be a heightened incidence amongst certain sections of society, that is why Chefs and Bar staff pay more motor insurance, even teetotal ones.......it is linked to cultural differences amongst the members of OUR society, to draw that massive divisive line and regard ALL Muslim or Pakistani men as a possible perpetrators is racist.....sorry. No I am not sorry to be honest.
So are you actually saying that children do not walk around city streets because they may become attractive to Pakistani men? I've read you post three times and that's all I can deduce from It.
What's wrong with you ?
These victims are not slapper teenagers falling out of bars In mini skirts In the small hours drunk. Some were as young as as 10 years old deliberately targeted at care homes.
It doesn't matter If they were drunk wearing mini-skirts.
If that's what you are saying, then It's people like you who by defence and silence hand these children over to the abusers.
The fact that it is Pakistani men means that there should be heightened awareness about opportunities afforded to Pakistani men to the crime concerned. The same as Priests and DJ's and young ladies in bars wearing mini skirts ?
There may be a heightened incidence amongst certain sections of society, that is why Chefs and Bar staff pay more motor insurance, even teetotal ones.......it is linked to cultural differences amongst the members of OUR society, to draw that massive divisive line and regard ALL Muslim or Pakistani men as a possible perpetrators is racist.....sorry. No I am not sorry to be honest.
So are you actually saying that children do not walk around city streets because they may become attractive to Pakistani men? I've read you post three times and that's all I can deduce from It.
What's wrong with you ?
These victims are not slapper teenagers falling out of bars In mini skirts In the small hours drunk. Some were as young as as 10 years old deliberately targeted at care homes.
It doesn't matter If they were drunk wearing mini-skirts.
If that's what you are saying, then It's people like you who by defence and silence hand these children over to the abusers.
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Oscar Namechange;1464646 wrote: So are you actually saying that children do not walk around city streets because they may become attractive to Pakistani men? I've read you post three times and that's all I can deduce from It.
What's wrong with you ?
These victims are not slapper teenagers falling out of bars In mini skirts In the small hours drunk. Some were as young as as 10 years old deliberately targeted at care homes.
It doesn't matter If they were drunk wearing mini-skirts.
If that's what you are saying, then It's people like you who by defence and silence hand these children over to the abusers.
Now teenagers who drink and wear mini skirts are slappers who deserve to be targeted?
What's wrong with you ?
These victims are not slapper teenagers falling out of bars In mini skirts In the small hours drunk. Some were as young as as 10 years old deliberately targeted at care homes.
It doesn't matter If they were drunk wearing mini-skirts.
If that's what you are saying, then It's people like you who by defence and silence hand these children over to the abusers.
Now teenagers who drink and wear mini skirts are slappers who deserve to be targeted?
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Betty Boop;1464649 wrote: Now teenagers who drink and wear mini skirts are slappers who deserve to be targeted?
Typical Betty.... paraphrasing entirely out of context.
Posted by Oscar Namechange
It doesn't matter If they were drunk wearing mini-skirts.
If you are going to quote me then quote me correctly.
Don't try and twist my words when you knew exactly what I meant and that was In reply to Bruv suggesting that mini skirts and Pakistani men go hand In hand.
Do you actually have anything to offer on the culture we are seeing In grooming or just another opportunity to leap In and twist wording ?
Typical Betty.... paraphrasing entirely out of context.
Posted by Oscar Namechange
It doesn't matter If they were drunk wearing mini-skirts.
If you are going to quote me then quote me correctly.
Don't try and twist my words when you knew exactly what I meant and that was In reply to Bruv suggesting that mini skirts and Pakistani men go hand In hand.
Do you actually have anything to offer on the culture we are seeing In grooming or just another opportunity to leap In and twist wording ?
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Oscar Namechange;1464650 wrote: Typical Betty.... paraphrasing entirely out of context.
Posted by Oscar Namechange
It doesn't matter If they were drunk wearing mini-skirts.
If you are going to quote me then quote me correctly.
Don't try and twist my words when you knew exactly what I meant and that was In reply to Bruv suggesting that mini skirts and Pakistani men go hand In hand.
Do you actually have anything to offer on the culture we are seeing In grooming or just another opportunity to leap In and twist wording ?
Nothing was twisted, you wrote slapper teenagers... what does it mean then? some teens are slappers? especially if wearing a miniskirt and drinking
:yh_rotfl dear me Oscar it's funny to watch.
Culture of grooming exists for sure, white men groom too. Even Rolf Harris groomed and you claim grooming is something that didn't happen here prior to the last two decades!
Poppycock!
Just like the other crimes you listed as not prevalent prior to the last two decades.
FGM is not a recent problem, it has been used over many years by many different cultures, ours included
19th century gynaecologists in England and the United States would perform clitoridectomies to treat various psychological symptom as well as "masturbation and nymphomania."
How Did Female Genital Mutilation Begin? : Discovery News
Acid attacks are also something that has happened throughout history
The crime has a long history in Britain. In the 1740s, when sulphuric acid was widely available, acid-throwing happened often
New Statesman | Acid attacks: a horrific crime on the increase worldwide
Birth defects due to marrying cousins is scaremongering. The issue has been debated widely over many years all over the world.
the risk of birth defects rises from roughly 2% in the general population to 4% for first cousins and therefore that "It would be a mistake to ban it.
Cousin marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Honour based killings
Honour killings have been known since ancient Roman times, when the pater familias, or senior male within a household, retained the right to kill an unmarried but sexually active daughter or an adulterous wife.39 Honour-based crimes were known in medieval Europe where early Jewish law mandated death by stoning for an adulterous wife and her partner.40
Historical Context - Origins of Honour Killing / Honour Killing - Worldwide / Honour Killing - In Countries with Islamic Law - Preliminary Examination of so-called Honour Killings in Canada
All of the above crimes are, according to you
Oscar Namechange;1464650 wrote: crimes we never saw 20 years ago
they are certainly pretty twisted claims from some sort of 'Muslim scare story generator: separating fact from fiction', typical Oscar postings for sure.
The focus far outstrips the size and political activity of the minority, which number 2.7 million (less than 5% of the population), not all of whom are practising Muslims. The Islamic scare story plays to a nexus of easy media sensationalism, a portion of the public primed and ready to believe the worst, and an interested rightwing element for whom it is a convenient vehicle for their anti-immigration views, xenophobia, or just Islamophobia.
The random Muslim scare story generator: separating fact from fiction | World news | The Guardian
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It doesn't matter If they were drunk wearing mini-skirts.
If you are going to quote me then quote me correctly.
Don't try and twist my words when you knew exactly what I meant and that was In reply to Bruv suggesting that mini skirts and Pakistani men go hand In hand.
Do you actually have anything to offer on the culture we are seeing In grooming or just another opportunity to leap In and twist wording ?
Nothing was twisted, you wrote slapper teenagers... what does it mean then? some teens are slappers? especially if wearing a miniskirt and drinking
:yh_rotfl dear me Oscar it's funny to watch.
Culture of grooming exists for sure, white men groom too. Even Rolf Harris groomed and you claim grooming is something that didn't happen here prior to the last two decades!
Poppycock!
Just like the other crimes you listed as not prevalent prior to the last two decades.
FGM is not a recent problem, it has been used over many years by many different cultures, ours included
19th century gynaecologists in England and the United States would perform clitoridectomies to treat various psychological symptom as well as "masturbation and nymphomania."
How Did Female Genital Mutilation Begin? : Discovery News
Acid attacks are also something that has happened throughout history
The crime has a long history in Britain. In the 1740s, when sulphuric acid was widely available, acid-throwing happened often
New Statesman | Acid attacks: a horrific crime on the increase worldwide
Birth defects due to marrying cousins is scaremongering. The issue has been debated widely over many years all over the world.
the risk of birth defects rises from roughly 2% in the general population to 4% for first cousins and therefore that "It would be a mistake to ban it.
Cousin marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Honour based killings
Honour killings have been known since ancient Roman times, when the pater familias, or senior male within a household, retained the right to kill an unmarried but sexually active daughter or an adulterous wife.39 Honour-based crimes were known in medieval Europe where early Jewish law mandated death by stoning for an adulterous wife and her partner.40
Historical Context - Origins of Honour Killing / Honour Killing - Worldwide / Honour Killing - In Countries with Islamic Law - Preliminary Examination of so-called Honour Killings in Canada
All of the above crimes are, according to you
Oscar Namechange;1464650 wrote: crimes we never saw 20 years ago
they are certainly pretty twisted claims from some sort of 'Muslim scare story generator: separating fact from fiction', typical Oscar postings for sure.
The focus far outstrips the size and political activity of the minority, which number 2.7 million (less than 5% of the population), not all of whom are practising Muslims. The Islamic scare story plays to a nexus of easy media sensationalism, a portion of the public primed and ready to believe the worst, and an interested rightwing element for whom it is a convenient vehicle for their anti-immigration views, xenophobia, or just Islamophobia.
The random Muslim scare story generator: separating fact from fiction | World news | The Guardian
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You know as well as I do, my reply was In context with what I believe Bruv meant In his post... ie they held themselves wide open for abuse.
Betty... quote me all you like... you have not contributed In this thread at all until now. You are not debating... you are paraphrasing to pick apart wording. Choose selective articles all you want... The FACT Is 1,400 children have been raped and arrests are still going on all over the country. Picking apart words Is more Important to you than those girls or how we address the grooming pandemic. Posting selective articles Is simply defending the abusers. Articles about Canada have no bearing here.
You have a nice day...
Betty... quote me all you like... you have not contributed In this thread at all until now. You are not debating... you are paraphrasing to pick apart wording. Choose selective articles all you want... The FACT Is 1,400 children have been raped and arrests are still going on all over the country. Picking apart words Is more Important to you than those girls or how we address the grooming pandemic. Posting selective articles Is simply defending the abusers. Articles about Canada have no bearing here.
You have a nice day...
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Betty Boop;1464653 wrote: Nothing was twisted, you wrote slapper teenagers... what does it mean then? some teens are slappers? especially if wearing a miniskirt and drinking
Come on now, Betty. Oscar know about paraphrasing. She is, after all, the Queen of spin.
Come on now, Betty. Oscar know about paraphrasing. She is, after all, the Queen of spin.
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FourPart;1464655 wrote: Come on now, Betty. Oscar know about paraphrasing. She is, after all, the Queen of spin.
:D:D Queen of avoidance too, perfect politician material
:D:D Queen of avoidance too, perfect politician material
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BBC News - Police 'investigating 54 child grooming gangs'
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700 children born with genetic disabilities due to cousin marriages every year - Telegraph
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Acid attacks on the rise in UK, according to victim report figures | UK news | theguardian.com
I could continue if you wish. Oscar? Spin? She does her research, shame you don't.
I could continue if you wish. Oscar? Spin? She does her research, shame you don't.
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Peter Lake;1464658 wrote: BBC News - Police 'investigating 54 child grooming gangs'
When links are made that are Anti BNP (or Griffin, in particular), I believe Oscar's usual defence is to repudiate the article by pointing out that the report is over a year old.
When links are made that are Anti BNP (or Griffin, in particular), I believe Oscar's usual defence is to repudiate the article by pointing out that the report is over a year old.
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Please do carry on Peter, maybe at some point you will realise that your wife made the claim that the crimes did not exist 20 years ago. They did, which is what I highlighted, I have never said they do not exist and do not occur now.
How come it's always you and not Oscar that answers me back now?
Game playing much?
How come it's always you and not Oscar that answers me back now?
Game playing much?
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Betty Boop;1464664 wrote: Please do carry on Peter, maybe at some point you will realise that your wife made the claim that the crimes did not exist 20 years ago. They did, which is what I highlighted, I have never said they do not exist and do not occur now.
How come it's always you and not Oscar that answers me back now?
Game playing much? No Betty I did not say these crimes did not exist 20 years ago... you really can't quote correctly can you?
Go back and read what I actually said...
Posted by Oscar Namechange
Over the past two decades, we have seen crimes that we never saw before In this country. Female Genital Mutilation, Beheadings, acid attacks, genetic birth defects due to first cousin marraiges, terror plots, Honour Killings and grooming.... crimes we never saw 20 years ago..
That's ' we' as a country.... Note I said ' In this country'
A 2,000 year old reference to Roman times Is ridiculous. Honour killings are not carried out In this country by Romans these days. :rolleyes:
I'll leave you here until you can get the hang of quoting correctly.
How come it's always you and not Oscar that answers me back now?
Game playing much? No Betty I did not say these crimes did not exist 20 years ago... you really can't quote correctly can you?
Go back and read what I actually said...
Posted by Oscar Namechange
Over the past two decades, we have seen crimes that we never saw before In this country. Female Genital Mutilation, Beheadings, acid attacks, genetic birth defects due to first cousin marraiges, terror plots, Honour Killings and grooming.... crimes we never saw 20 years ago..
That's ' we' as a country.... Note I said ' In this country'
A 2,000 year old reference to Roman times Is ridiculous. Honour killings are not carried out In this country by Romans these days. :rolleyes:
I'll leave you here until you can get the hang of quoting correctly.
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I'm not sure about the FGM (although it wouldn't surprise me), but all of that has happened in the UK through history - especially with Royalty.
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FourPart;1464675 wrote: I'm not sure about the FGM (although it wouldn't surprise me), but all of that has happened in the UK through history - especially with Royalty.
Indeed, and there is evidence out on the net that the honour killings have taken place in the UK all throughout history when men have killed female family members for bringing shame to the household but such crimes were recorded as manslaughter or murder. Just different terminology used thats all.
Indeed, and there is evidence out on the net that the honour killings have taken place in the UK all throughout history when men have killed female family members for bringing shame to the household but such crimes were recorded as manslaughter or murder. Just different terminology used thats all.
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The honour killings that blight Britain | The National
According to a freedom of information request by the London-based Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organisation (IKWRO) last year, some 3,000 so-called honour attacks were recorded in the UK in 2010. Honour violence includes acid attacks, abduction, mutilations, beatings and in some cases, murder. In the UK, its victims are almost always Muslim women, most commonly those of Pakistani origin, though one of the most high-profile British cases involved that of Banaz Mahmod, an Iraqi Kurd from London who left her violent husband to be with her boyfriend, but was killed by relatives in 2006.
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According to a freedom of information request by the London-based Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organisation (IKWRO) last year, some 3,000 so-called honour attacks were recorded in the UK in 2010. Honour violence includes acid attacks, abduction, mutilations, beatings and in some cases, murder. In the UK, its victims are almost always Muslim women, most commonly those of Pakistani origin, though one of the most high-profile British cases involved that of Banaz Mahmod, an Iraqi Kurd from London who left her violent husband to be with her boyfriend, but was killed by relatives in 2006.
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Oscar Namechange;1464646 wrote: So are you actually saying that children do not walk around city streets because they may become attractive to Pakistani men? I've read you post three times and that's all I can deduce from It.
You may have to point out where I said that because I can't recall doing so despite reading and rereading my comment again and again.
What's wrong with you ?
You may have to point out where I said that because I can't recall doing so despite reading and rereading my comment again and again.
What's wrong with you ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1464697 wrote: You may have to point out where I said that because I can't recall doing so despite reading and rereading my comment again and again.
What's wrong with you ? Posted by Bruv
The fact that it is Pakistani men means that there should be heightened awareness about opportunities afforded to Pakistani men to the crime concerned. The same as Priests and DJ's and young ladies in bars wearing mini skirts ?
Explain what you meant then.
What's wrong with you ? Posted by Bruv
The fact that it is Pakistani men means that there should be heightened awareness about opportunities afforded to Pakistani men to the crime concerned. The same as Priests and DJ's and young ladies in bars wearing mini skirts ?
Explain what you meant then.
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There may be a heightened incidence amongst certain sections of society, that is why Chefs and Bar staff pay more motor insurance, even teetotal ones.......it is linked to cultural differences amongst the members of OUR society, to draw that massive divisive line and regard ALL Muslim or Pakistani men as a possible perpetrators is racist.....sorry. No I am not sorry to be honest.
Maybe reading ALL my post and trying harder to get the point, and not picking comments out of context might help ?
I find arguing the toss with you tiresome at times, because Peter comes up the rear throwing other ethnic problems into the mix, a lot like Joseph Goebbels, throwing every Untermensch argument into the mix in order to prove an unrelated point.
There has been a major breakdown in the reaction to this problem, I am referring directly about the grooming.
Some of this breakdown is due to PC, and other very human frailties, frailties Nick obviously doesn't possess......in hind sight.
If the guy wasn't such a knob and a formerly open holocaust denier with such a obnoxious public perception.........and strangely his feeding and gaining political ground off the back of such events make him more and more unsavoury.
Maybe reading ALL my post and trying harder to get the point, and not picking comments out of context might help ?
I find arguing the toss with you tiresome at times, because Peter comes up the rear throwing other ethnic problems into the mix, a lot like Joseph Goebbels, throwing every Untermensch argument into the mix in order to prove an unrelated point.
There has been a major breakdown in the reaction to this problem, I am referring directly about the grooming.
Some of this breakdown is due to PC, and other very human frailties, frailties Nick obviously doesn't possess......in hind sight.
If the guy wasn't such a knob and a formerly open holocaust denier with such a obnoxious public perception.........and strangely his feeding and gaining political ground off the back of such events make him more and more unsavoury.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1464700 wrote: Maybe reading ALL my post and trying harder to get the point, and not picking comments out of context might help ?
I find arguing the toss with you tiresome at times, because Peter comes up the rear throwing other ethnic problems into the mix, a lot like Joseph Goebbels, throwing every Untermensch argument into the mix in order to prove an unrelated point.
There has been a major breakdown in the reaction to this problem, I am referring directly about the grooming.
Some of this breakdown is due to PC, and other very human frailties, frailties Nick obviously doesn't possess......in hind sight.
If the guy wasn't such a knob and a formerly open holocaust denier with such a obnoxious public perception.........and strangely his feeding and gaining political ground off the back of such events make him more and more unsavoury.
So just more attacks on Nick Griffin... and you say I'm tiresome? You and Fourpart are like Hinge and Brackett followed up the rear by Betty throwing Romans Into the mix In order to prove an unrelated point.
So tell me then Bruv...
How exactly does Nick Griffin gain political ground off the back of such events ? Pray tell, given Marlene Guests report on Rotherham began 10 years ago and Nick spoke about grooming In Kieghly 5 years ago. Given that we had a ruling from himself when the Rochdale scandal broke that there would be no ' told you so' campaigns ? Tell me.
And my husband does not come up the rear of anything.
I find arguing the toss with you tiresome at times, because Peter comes up the rear throwing other ethnic problems into the mix, a lot like Joseph Goebbels, throwing every Untermensch argument into the mix in order to prove an unrelated point.
There has been a major breakdown in the reaction to this problem, I am referring directly about the grooming.
Some of this breakdown is due to PC, and other very human frailties, frailties Nick obviously doesn't possess......in hind sight.
If the guy wasn't such a knob and a formerly open holocaust denier with such a obnoxious public perception.........and strangely his feeding and gaining political ground off the back of such events make him more and more unsavoury.
So just more attacks on Nick Griffin... and you say I'm tiresome? You and Fourpart are like Hinge and Brackett followed up the rear by Betty throwing Romans Into the mix In order to prove an unrelated point.
So tell me then Bruv...
How exactly does Nick Griffin gain political ground off the back of such events ? Pray tell, given Marlene Guests report on Rotherham began 10 years ago and Nick spoke about grooming In Kieghly 5 years ago. Given that we had a ruling from himself when the Rochdale scandal broke that there would be no ' told you so' campaigns ? Tell me.
And my husband does not come up the rear of anything.
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Ignoring the thrust and highlighting the anti Nick part................................as fecking always.
And yet the upcoming trials you are so happy to gloat over (Nick Too?) for political one upmanship.....(see all those ethnics are evil and he told us all 25 years ago)
The 'Problem' is being addressed......a little late maybe......the authorities have woken up.....the criminal ethnics who run around grooming our white blonde super children, are being taken to task.
And yet the upcoming trials you are so happy to gloat over (Nick Too?) for political one upmanship.....(see all those ethnics are evil and he told us all 25 years ago)
The 'Problem' is being addressed......a little late maybe......the authorities have woken up.....the criminal ethnics who run around grooming our white blonde super children, are being taken to task.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1464703 wrote: Ignoring the thrust and highlighting the anti Nick part................................as fecking always.
And yet the upcoming trials you are so happy to gloat over (Nick Too?) for political one upmanship.....(see all those ethnics are evil and he told us all 25 years ago)
The 'Problem' is being addressed......a little late maybe......the authorities have woken up.....the criminal ethnics who run around grooming our white blonde super children, are being taken to task.
You need to get your facts right. You claimed In your last post that Nick Griffin was using Rochdale to gain politically. That Is just assumption and not fact.
There were members In my region who did want to campaign when the Rochdale scandal broke the National news. I put It to the boss and his reply was... we've done It and we've said It all. We are not going to gloat on the misery of those children. Now, you won't ever see that In any gutter press rag because It was said to me.
The BNP have been out on the streets of Rotherham but the reports that they are out there protesting again Is lies and scandal. On the day the EDL and the NF turned up along with the UAF, the BNP avoided the city centre like the plague. Instead they went to a shopping mall on the outskirts to hand out leaflets that NO, were not gloating but with the help of some of the victims, gave parents the signs of what to look for and what to be aware of In their children If they suspect they are being groomed.
So when you write here that Griffin tried to make political gains out of Rochdale, then that Is assumption on your part.
And yet the upcoming trials you are so happy to gloat over (Nick Too?) for political one upmanship.....(see all those ethnics are evil and he told us all 25 years ago)
The 'Problem' is being addressed......a little late maybe......the authorities have woken up.....the criminal ethnics who run around grooming our white blonde super children, are being taken to task.
You need to get your facts right. You claimed In your last post that Nick Griffin was using Rochdale to gain politically. That Is just assumption and not fact.
There were members In my region who did want to campaign when the Rochdale scandal broke the National news. I put It to the boss and his reply was... we've done It and we've said It all. We are not going to gloat on the misery of those children. Now, you won't ever see that In any gutter press rag because It was said to me.
The BNP have been out on the streets of Rotherham but the reports that they are out there protesting again Is lies and scandal. On the day the EDL and the NF turned up along with the UAF, the BNP avoided the city centre like the plague. Instead they went to a shopping mall on the outskirts to hand out leaflets that NO, were not gloating but with the help of some of the victims, gave parents the signs of what to look for and what to be aware of In their children If they suspect they are being groomed.
So when you write here that Griffin tried to make political gains out of Rochdale, then that Is assumption on your part.
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Sorry my lovely you just confirmed my ASSumptions were more than speculation.
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Oscar Namechange;1464705 wrote: You need to get your facts right. You claimed In your last post that Nick Griffin was using Rochdale to gain politically. That Is just assumption and not fact.
Simon Darby: If you go down to the woods today..You'd better go in disguise
Simon Darby: If you go down to the woods today..You'd better go in disguise
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Oscar Namechange;1465078 wrote: Simon Darby: If you go down to the woods today..You'd better go in disguise
The father of the main prosecution witness in Britain's biggest child grooming sex scandal..................................................said that the anti-federalist party had resorted to British National party-style tactics while campaigning to win Heywood and Middleton in Greater Manchester.
I am begging your pardon........so even the victims ole Nick has been helping think he is an opportunist ass.......... I have censored my wording....or else I would have called him an AH.
Original article here
The father of the main prosecution witness in Britain's biggest child grooming sex scandal..................................................said that the anti-federalist party had resorted to British National party-style tactics while campaigning to win Heywood and Middleton in Greater Manchester.
I am begging your pardon........so even the victims ole Nick has been helping think he is an opportunist ass.......... I have censored my wording....or else I would have called him an AH.
Original article here
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Most people realise that Is one journalists wording... It doesn't make It fact.
Men arrested for child rape in Tower Hamlets - News - The Docklands & East London Advertiser
Men arrested for child rape in Tower Hamlets - News - The Docklands & East London Advertiser
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Oscar Namechange;1465082 wrote: Most people realise that Is one journalists wording... It doesn't make It fact.
Are you for real ?
You just posted it to slag off Farage and the guy slags of Nicky further down the page................what part are we to 'take on board'?
Might be better to read further than the headlines missus
Are you for real ?
You just posted it to slag off Farage and the guy slags of Nicky further down the page................what part are we to 'take on board'?
Might be better to read further than the headlines missus
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Bruv;1465083 wrote: Are you for real ?
You just posted it to slag off Farage and the guy slags of Nicky further down the page................what part are we to 'take on board'?
Might be better to read further than the headlines missus
Fact.. Marlene Guest BNP began her report Into Rotherham 10 years ago
Fact... Nick Griffin spoke of grooming In Keighly 5 years ago
Fact... Nick Griffin has stated to members, there will be no ' told you so campaigns'
Now If you have problems with that I suggest you read a little further than the Sun newspaper.
You just posted it to slag off Farage and the guy slags of Nicky further down the page................what part are we to 'take on board'?
Might be better to read further than the headlines missus
Fact.. Marlene Guest BNP began her report Into Rotherham 10 years ago
Fact... Nick Griffin spoke of grooming In Keighly 5 years ago
Fact... Nick Griffin has stated to members, there will be no ' told you so campaigns'
Now If you have problems with that I suggest you read a little further than the Sun newspaper.
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Oscar Namechange;1465085 wrote: Now If you have problems with that I suggest you read a little further than the Sun newspaper.
I did read it and I did understand it, I suggest you read, digest and understand before posting because some people read more than the headlines.
I did read it and I did understand it, I suggest you read, digest and understand before posting because some people read more than the headlines.
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Bruv;1465087 wrote: I did read it and I did understand it, I suggest you read, digest and understand before posting because some people read more than the headlines.
You're not fooling me for a minute. All through this thread, right from the start where it was asked, how as a country, we deal with this, you have not offered one word of thought for the victims. All you do, is rant about Nick Griffin and the far right picking apart posts and wording of links, i suspect to divert from the real facts here.
The fact is this, it is not the far right raping children as young as ten years old. It is not the far right inflicting torture and gang rape on children and it is not the far right attacking young women in taxi's. The report has shown it is in the main, men of pakistani origin. Yet rather than rant at that section of society or the politicians who turned a blind eye for over a decade, you pick apart the words of someone who has every damn right to be angry and unlike you, as it appears, someone who happens to care about the victims.
What does it matter if Griffin stands in the street with a placard saying i told you so? He has every right to do that and so do his supporters who took his word five years ago.
Where is the anger at the politicians who ignored the warning signs or the authorities who turned a blind eye? Your anger is only directed at those who have every right to be angry. Instead of targeting the guilty and asking how Muslims communities can address the culture that leads some men to believe white children are easy pickings, you'd rather play the race card at those who god forbid, dare object to the scenes we have witnessed in Rotherham. That's because it's far easier to target those who object rather than address crimes within a culture that's become all too uncomfortable for you.
What you are doing here is exactly the same as the authorities in Rotherham and what they did to Marlene Guest ten years ago and that is induce a culture of fear that anyone speaking out has to be a rabid racist and force a silence that allows the culture to continue. The far right have every right to shout told you so. How many girls could have been saved? I really think your only agenda is to be indignant at those who have a right to be angry and that, and your like, will never stop this culture.
You're not fooling me for a minute. All through this thread, right from the start where it was asked, how as a country, we deal with this, you have not offered one word of thought for the victims. All you do, is rant about Nick Griffin and the far right picking apart posts and wording of links, i suspect to divert from the real facts here.
The fact is this, it is not the far right raping children as young as ten years old. It is not the far right inflicting torture and gang rape on children and it is not the far right attacking young women in taxi's. The report has shown it is in the main, men of pakistani origin. Yet rather than rant at that section of society or the politicians who turned a blind eye for over a decade, you pick apart the words of someone who has every damn right to be angry and unlike you, as it appears, someone who happens to care about the victims.
What does it matter if Griffin stands in the street with a placard saying i told you so? He has every right to do that and so do his supporters who took his word five years ago.
Where is the anger at the politicians who ignored the warning signs or the authorities who turned a blind eye? Your anger is only directed at those who have every right to be angry. Instead of targeting the guilty and asking how Muslims communities can address the culture that leads some men to believe white children are easy pickings, you'd rather play the race card at those who god forbid, dare object to the scenes we have witnessed in Rotherham. That's because it's far easier to target those who object rather than address crimes within a culture that's become all too uncomfortable for you.
What you are doing here is exactly the same as the authorities in Rotherham and what they did to Marlene Guest ten years ago and that is induce a culture of fear that anyone speaking out has to be a rabid racist and force a silence that allows the culture to continue. The far right have every right to shout told you so. How many girls could have been saved? I really think your only agenda is to be indignant at those who have a right to be angry and that, and your like, will never stop this culture.