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I cannot stay long, I need to get to work early. But just for the record, I have a Muslim friend (male). I know they are very tolerant, but as a woman, I will not agree with much of what Islam teaches and it's culture and how the women are oppressed.

What I think is even worse about them (Muslim women and girls) is that they to not even realize how oppressed they are, as that is all they have ever known. for thousands of years they have been treated as 2nd class citizens. And the accept it.

So before I get on a slippery slope, I'll leave.

:driving:

P.S. They look like crazy uncivilized animals on the U.S. media.

Saffron wrote: I cannot stay long, I need to get to work early. But just for the record, I have a Muslim friend (male). I know they are very tolerant, but as a woman, I will not agree with much of what Islam teaches and it's culture and how the women are oppressed.



What I think is even worse about them (Muslim women and girls) is that they to not even realize how oppressed they are, as that is all they have ever known. for thousands of years they have been treated as 2nd class citizens. And the accept it.



So before I get on a slippery slope, I'll leave.



:driving:



P.S. They look like crazy uncivilized animals on the U.S. media.
And she tumbles down the slope.



Saffron, you're obviously a type first, think later poster. I doubt it will do good because you've got your defensive wall up by the time you've read this far, but here goes.



It's obvious to me that you have your categories, little cubby holes, you like to assign people to and I'm sure you've got me slotted away in one of 'em. It's normal and natural. Everybody does it - easier on the brain. The problem is, yours are full of overwhelmingly negative stereotypes. And you don't even realize it. The biggest hipocrisy was when you called the guy two-faced because of his actions toward Muslims.



Go back and read your posts with an open mind and you'll see what I mean. Your stereotypes are almost all negative until you actually meet a person ... then that person is an exception to your rule. I urge you to adjust your rules. Think of all the Mexicans, or whatever, you know personally. Use that as a stereotype. Then when you meet individuals who fall below that, that person's poor behavior can be the exception to the rule.



I truly don't expect this to affect your thinking in any way, but it may help someone.

Far Rider wrote: That was dumb, idiotic and you deserve to be treated like your treating everybody else here cause they didnt denounce someone who normally posts pretty accurate stuff.

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Im getting a very strong feeling your connected with chiptbeef.

Im pretty tired of this ****.




Everyone?

Since when do a few choice posters make up 'everyone'?

What are you? The collected voice of affirmation?

I really couldn't give a toss what you have to say Rider.

Yes I have been about for a while.

My august join date proves that.

Yes I have read a lot.

If I was here for a fight, don't you think I would have joined in the numerous occasions in the past when things kicked off to the max?

Get over yourself.

You see my actions as dumb stupid etc.

Big deal Far, I don't see you in any positive way now go tell someone who gives a ****.

You're like the guy who just wants to be heard for the sake of noise.



Chiptbeef?

I think that there is the real reason you have taken up issue with me, although I don't know Chiptbeef.

Go figure.

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/uiatm/un_islam.htm

I found this website and it's simple in explaining the beliefs and traditions of Muslims.

Thank you for posting the link Sheryl. I found it really informative. These factual websites are there to impart accurate information and it would do us all good to visit them and study the contents from time to time.

Bez wrote: Thank you for posting the link Sheryl. I found it really informative. These factual websites are there to impart accurate information and it would do us all good to visit them and study the contents from time to time.


Your welcome, I"m glad someone looked at it. I too think sometimes you have to go search for a source other than the media to get the facts.

Good one Far.

Let me write that one down in my book of hilarious comebacks.

...talk...to...the...hand...

Got it.

Thanks pal, you're a star.

Why would any sane person, man or woman, allow themselves to be part of a huge cult like Islam? Other than the fact that men are allowed to have up to 4 wives (and wealthy Sheiks in Saudi have many more), I'd not want to be involved in a religion that allows that. And that is only one reason.:rolleyes:

Saffron wrote: Why would any sane person, man or woman, allow themselves to be part of a huge cult like Islam? Other than the fact that men are allowed to have up to 4 wives


Yeah Christianity was never a cult huh?

As for four wives, sounds a bit like Mormons, or is it ok for them to have lots of wives?

Arnie, I wish people would read both books and realize they were born from the same principals.

Cult!

Good grief.

Saffron wrote: Why would any sane person, man or woman, allow themselves to be part of a huge cult like Islam? Other than the fact that men are allowed to have up to 4 wives (and wealthy Sheiks in Saudi have many more), I'd not want to be involved in a religion that allows that. And that is only one reason.:rolleyes:


Umm if you go to link I posted yesterday you could learn quiet a bit. Islam is not a cult.

I can't remember who wanted a Quran to read, but I dug this out of the archives:

Accountable wrote: I recently got my free quran from freequran.org (yes, it's real). I doesn't have a concordance or index or anything, so It's hard to research.



I think there is an electronic quran online somewhere.

sounds a bit like Mormons,
Yeah, and no it isn't okay.

From what I know about Islam, it sounds as if it is a cult.

And I also think that Mormonism is a cult.

Umm if you go to link I posted yesterday you could learn quiet a bit.
Sorry I do not have the time.

Saffron wrote: Yeah, and no it isn't okay.



From what I know about Islam, it sounds as if it is a cult.



And I also think that Mormonism is a cult.





Sorry I do not have the time.
Yeh, learning stuff can be so bothersome once you've made up your mind.:yh_loser

Saffron wrote: Yeah, and no it isn't okay.

From what I know about Islam, it sounds as if it is a cult.

And I also think that Mormonism is a cult.



Sorry I do not have the time.


your loss, knowledge is the best to be rich in.

Accountable wrote: Yeh, learning stuff can be so bothersome once you've made up your mind.:yh_loser
Excuse me, but has somebody made you my evaluator without notifying me? Have you chosen me to be your person to pick on? Frankly I could not care less about your personal observations of me.

your loss, knowledge is the best to be rich in.
I have a job and also go to college full-time. It isn't a "loss" for me to not read more about Muslims. It would make more sense for me to read my college texts and do the assignments that I have due YESTERDAY! Rather than read about a bunch of crazies.

:rolleyes: :yh_bye

Saffron wrote: Excuse me, but has somebody made you my evaluator without notifying me? Have you chosen me to be your person to pick on? Frankly I could not care less about your personal observations of me.
I disagree.





Saffron wrote: I have a job and also go to college full-time. It isn't a "loss" for me to not read more about Muslims. It would make more sense for me to read my college texts and do the assignments that I have due YESTERDAY! Rather than read about a bunch of crazies.

:rolleyes: :yh_bye
Not to be redundant (that means repetitive), but to be redundant (that means repetitive):

Accountable wrote: Yeh, learning stuff can be so bothersome once you've made up your mind.:yh_loser

Saffron, please tell me you don't have time to vote, either.

Saffron wrote:

I have a job and also go to college full-time. It isn't a "loss" for me to not read more about Muslims. It would make more sense for me to read my college texts and do the assignments that I have due YESTERDAY! Rather than read about a bunch of crazies.

:rolleyes: :yh_bye
And yet here you sit, debating a topic you don't care to learn about. I'm probably the most stubborn-minded person here and I've been trying to learn more about something I don't know about.

Frankly, I think your assessment about Muslims and Mormons could be spot on. The point is, I don't know. And I want to learn.

And the crazies part.....is that the Muslims or us in FG? :yh_bigsmi

BabyRider wrote: And yet here you sit, debating a topic you don't care to learn about. I'm probably the most stubborn-minded person here and I've been trying to learn more about something I don't know about.

Frankly, I think your assessment about Muslims and Mormons could be spot on. The point is, I don't know. And I want to learn.

And the crazies part.....is that the Muslims or us in FG? :yh_bigsmi
Sure I did too, so I met a few of them. But not because they are "Muslims" but because they are Egyptians. I'm very curious about cultures that are far far away from America.

Saffron, please tell me you don't have time to vote, either.
No, I do vote.

Are you avoiding the "crazies" question? 'Cuz some of us are, I was just wondering about your opinion. Or if you just meant Mulims. Seriously just curious....:-6

BabyRider wrote: Are you avoiding the "crazies" question? 'Cuz some of us are, I was just wondering about your opinion. Or if you just meant Mulims. Seriously just curious....:-6
Huh? I guess I'm tired after work and a little hungry. I didn't see that question?

I think that Muslim extremists are crazies. And I think that a lot of Islam's rules and such are crazy. From a woman's point of view.:p

Saffron wrote: Yeah, and no it isn't okay.



From what I know about Islam, it sounds as if it is a cult.



And I also think that Mormonism is a cult.





Sorry I do not have the time. [response to a suggestion she learn]
How do you define "cult"?

I was listening to Michael Medved yesterday (national talk radio show). He was talking to a Muslim representative of some type about the riots.



Apparently the problem was that it depicted the Prophet Mohammed, regardless of the light in which it depicted him. When Medved pointed out that Arab papers routinely publish cartoons showing Jews as vampires and other cruelties, the Muslim pointed out that the cartoon characters were anonymous Jews, not Moses or Jesus. Apparently that's what crossed the line. If the paper had published some Omar beheading a baby, that would have gotten less of a reaction.



Go figure.

Saffron wrote:



I have a job and also go to college full-time. It isn't a "loss" for me to not read more about Muslims. It would make more sense for me to read my college texts and do the assignments that I have due YESTERDAY! Rather than read about a bunch of crazies.

:rolleyes: :yh_bye


Here's Sheryls link again....it really is worth taking a look if you like to get involved in these kind of discussions.



http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/uiatm/un_islam.htm

Accountable wrote: How do you define "cult"?
I'd appreciate it if you'd try to stop insulting me.

I know a bit about Islam, And i really want nothing to do with it. And that is my choice.

As for learning, i do a lot of that.

This is supposed to be fun, not harrassing. So if you have nothing else but nastiness to spew at me, I'll place you on ignore. When I say I don't have the time, I mean just that I don't have the time!. I have a real life . Don't you?:-5

You are now on......

Saffron wrote: I'd appreciate it if you'd try to stop insulting me.

I know a bit about Islam, And i really want nothing to do with it. And that is my choice.

As for learning, i do a lot of that.

This is supposed to be fun, not harrassing. So if you have nothing else but nastiness to spew at me, I'll place you on ignore. When I say I don't have the time, I mean just that I don't have the time!. I have a real life . Don't you?:-5


He wasn't insulting you. He was asking you a question.

Sheryl wrote: He wasn't insulting you. He was asking you a question.
WEll then go back and read his previous post. I have him on ignore now. so I'm not going back to dig them up. I feel like there is a flea here. A flea that I am needing to flick off every time I come here. REally, I have had it. I suppose he thinks he is doing something positive, but it is really annoying.

Acccountable didn't mean to insult you. It's just that when you enter into a debate, it's better to go in with a mindset to learn something while arguing your point. If you refuse to look at other people's answers then you are not truely debating. You are preaching (for lack of better word).

Saffron wrote: I'd appreciate it if you'd try to stop insulting me.


He didn't.

Saffron wrote: I know a bit about Islam, And i really want nothing to do with it.




Just a little bit huh? Like, it's a 'cult'.



Saffron wrote: As for learning, i do a lot of that.


A little more wouldn't hurt so you could back up your little less.



Saffron wrote: So if you have nothing else but nastiness to spew at me, I'll place you on ignore.


I guess any Muslims on this board may just well be thinking the same thing.



You know, before you go making sweeping generalisations of an entire faith based on a few choice tidbits you read in the Enquirer or maybe 60 Minutes, it does help if you research an argument.

That way you would be firing back on all cylinders without having to come across as, oohh I don't know, say 'crazee'?

I'll tell you now, your ascertaitions are wrong.

Most definately wrong.

But then, by your own admission, you didn't even check the most simple of links provided.

You don't have time to click a button?

To find out if your argument has any validity?

If it's not an argument, then it's just an opinion, and if that really is your opinion, it's misguided and steeped in ignorance.

Now before you accuse me of being offensive:

Ignorance; (n) the state of being without knowledge or information, unawareness



Peace

Fletch

Fletch wrote: He didn't.



Just a little bit huh? Like, it's a 'cult'.





A little more wouldn't hurt so you could back up your little less.





I guess any Muslims on this board may just well be thinking the same thing.



You know, before you go making sweeping generalisations of an entire faith based on a few choice tidbits you read in the Enquirer or maybe 60 Minutes, it does help if you research an argument.

That way you would be firing back on all cylinders without having to come across as, oohh I don't know, say 'crazee'?

I'll tell you now, your ascertaitions are wrong.

Most definately wrong.

But then, by your own admission, you didn't even check the most simple of links provided.

You don't have time to click a button?

To find out if your argument has any validity?

If it's not an argument, then it's just an opinion, and if that really is your opinion, it's misguided and steeped in ignorance.

Now before you accuse me of being offensive:

Ignorance; (n) the state of being without knowledge or information, unawareness



Peace

Fletch


Another one? :rolleyes: You're on ignore now also.



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Saffron wrote: Another one? :rolleyes: You're on ignore now also.


Then would you mind telling me why you just sent me a generic Buddy request through PM?

Call me slow, but...surely...that...can't...be...right?

I guess she can't read this but would a kind soul repost it on my behalf?



Perhaps it was a slip of the finger....dammit, there's a gag in that but I don't want to get flamed worse than a MacDonald's burger...

Saffron wrote: Another one? :rolleyes: You're on ignore now also.


Saffron.....people here like to get into serious discusssions as well as getting involved in the 'fun' side of things. They get a bit frustrated when members 'dive' into topics without any knowledge or without doing a bit of research beforehand. You can't rely on what you read or see in the media...this info. is often skewed. You'll miss a lot if you put everyone that disagrees with you or is trying to put accurate information your way on ignore.

Bez wrote: You'll miss a lot if you put everyone that disagrees with you or is trying to put accurate information your way on ignore.
I was thinking the same thing, Bez. Not much room for learning anything there, huh?

BabyRider wrote: I was thinking the same thing, Bez. Not much room for learning anything there, huh?


Sad....we can all learn...then we don't end up looking ummmm....foolish :yh_flower

She's requested me twice now!

What gives?

My first ever Buddy request and it's from someone who has blocked me.



OK, being a noob to Buddies, I think it may have been the same one repeating itself.

A glitch, nothing more.

Breath, Fletch, breath...

Nope I know you enough that I can't change your mind :p

Not sure how I feel about this, just seems like a bad joke, but a joke non the less..!! Do Muslims not have a sense of humor??? Or are we missing the gravity of this not knowing much about muslims, and their faith I just don't understand the need to react in such a manner.

I'm willing to learn why they are so inflamed because of this..:-3

I dunno but I found this link the other day when browsing for information on Islam.

http://www.freemuslims.org/about/

Also I worked with a Muslim doctor. He was a really nice guy and had a great since of humour. We would often talk religion in the wee hours of the night when the ER was dead. He was sending his kids to a Christian school because the public schools were lacking. He seemed a pretty peaceful Muslim.

Far Rider wrote: Saffron im taking your side on this one.

Islam is nothing more than lies and fairy tails. I don't have to read any part of it to know that, I know the truth, what little I know of Islam does not match with the truth of the Bible.

I know thats not a popular statement but thats what I believe. There is no such thing as allah, and I believe muhammad is a false prophet, a mere man who set up a religion. (their allah is not my God even though they say they are the same, the same God does not teach two different ways to serve him)

That makes it a cult.

And listen to me carefully here cause this is important. If one follows the koran, then they believe the same about christianity and God.

It will be us against them, the two religions are counter, they will not let us live peacefully coexisting in the world. Thats why we clash, thats why we've clashed for 2000 years.

Right now its the radical side of Islam thats showed its violent head, thats our enemy.

I will always live beeing leary of my known enemies (radical Islam) and my potential enemies (the rest of Islam)

Folks keep tossing around percentages of peaceful muslums Ive heard the say 99%...good lord ya'll better think that one out... no way is it that high.

Yes, I know ya'll er gonna jump on me, go ahead.




The only problem I see here with calling them a cult, is then those who do not believe in any sort of higher being can refer to Christians as a cult.

You see my point?

Far Rider wrote:

How can we live with the "Militant Radical Islamic Fundamentalist" that follows a Jihad order?


You can't unless we send them to another planet. Not seeing that happen though. What has to happen is that someone of high respect and authority in the Islam faith has to step forward and say that the Jihad they are raisng against the west is wrong. This won't happen because there are those who twist the word around for their personnal reasons and get a popular following. The Taliban can be used for an example.

How does this differ from the Islamic fundamentalist that supports the Jihad but wont fight?


Dunno

And What percentage of peaceful Muslums exist on the earth in contrast to the Milatant Radical Islamic Fundamentalist?


I'm not sure, it would be hard to do an accurate census. However I bet the majority live in regions where they are well off and happy.

Far Rider wrote: I think the difference to me is that Jesus claimed to be God himself


Eh?

Since when?

I could rip your post to shreds, but you'll still be stuck in your mind set.

All of the links presented would have offered you some knowledge but you seem to have chosen to ignore any evidence that you have asked for.

Odd logic, but it falls into the definition, of ignorance, once again.