I am just a bit rattled....

minks · Post by **minks** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:49 am

I just took my 2 dogs out for a walk in the park near my house, it is an off leash park, so I let them run, I walked down to the end of the park and was letting them run when suddenly they took off in the other direction, they were going to greet 2 larger dogs on leash's that live down the block from us. The guy with the one dog starts to yell at me, "my dog will kill your dog" repeatedly as he try's to keep his dog from jumping out at my dogs. I call my dogs but they did not come on the first call, and this guy keeps yelling out to me his dog will kill mine. I call mine again and they come and I leash them.... this is an off leash park, where dogs are given the chance to run, yes maybe mine should have come to me quicker but in the moment they did not. Even when they were coming to me the guy was yelling at my dog to not growl and then yelled to me his dog would kill my dog. what rattles me is why on earth would you take a "killing" dog to the off leash park? Surely I am not the only one who goes there and allows my dogs a bit of freedom. Secondly he and his mate walk past my house daily and my one dogs bark at them. One day one of the men proceded to give me crap telling me that if I would walk my dog more it would not bark so much and how they never see me walk my dog hmmmm my dog is an American Eskimo one of the most misunderstood dogs around, cute, fluffy, and anti social, and protective.

cars · Post by **cars** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:58 am

Just curious minks, what breed of dog was that supposed "killer"? Maybe he was afraid your dog was going to kill his, so he tried to scare you into leashing your's, as you did.

minks · Post by **minks** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:04 am

cars;998711 wrote: Just curious minks, what breed of dog was that supposed "killer"? Maybe he was afraid your dog was going to kill his, so he tried to scare you into leashing your's, as you did.

Oh his dog looks like an aredale terrier, one of those larger breed of dogs. My 2 dogs are a miniature American Eskimo so he is classed as small, and then my pom yorkie cross and she is classed as toy.

I know he yelled "my dog will kill your dog"

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:08 am

I was thinking the same thing Cars. I'm with you Minks why take killing dogs to a open dog park, something not right with that choice. I would report it if for nothing else to get clarification on kill dogs in open parks if there are any.

[QUOTE]Just curious minks, what breed of dog was that supposed "killer"? Maybe he was afraid your dog was going to kill his, so he tried to scare you into leashing your's, as you did. [/QUOTE]

minks · Post by **minks** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:14 am

CARLA;998715 wrote: I was thinking the same thing Cars. I'm with you Minks why take killing dogs to a open dog park, something not right with that choice. I would report it if for nothing else to get clarification on kill dogs in open parks if there are any.

I read the local bylaw online and I admit my dogs could have been considered "out of control" when they did not respond to me immediately for that I will admit my fault, it took 2 calls and they stopped and then I approached them to leash them. But I am still concerned with the fact the dog owner was yelling repeatedly at me his dog would kill mine. Not sure who is the worse offender here, he and his or me and mine I think I will make a phone inquiry just so I know how to conduct myself next time I encounter these 2.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:33 am

A phone call is a good idea, minks. That was a threat made to your dogs, and you too. The experience sounds scarey!

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:39 am

I had to read that a couple of times as i first thought well he had his dogs leashed and you didnt ,, i was thinking that you just meant the park was ok with dogs being let off,,,, but after reading again i am asuming it is a park specifically for owners who can let their dogs off without the risk of them fighting with other dogs. In that case he is a bit silly to take his dogs there,, and then even if if is just that you may let your dogs off if you like ... again he shouldnt go there where he knows loose dogs will be.

My dog isnt very dog friendly,, well sometimes she is sometimes she isnt but i wouldn like to guess at which dog she is gonna decide she dont ;like so i never unleash her, but i do worry when someones dog comes running over off their leash,, they obviously know their dog is ok with other dogs and laugh and smile,,, but what if my dog bit theirs? i cuoldnt be to blame as my dog is on a lead ,, but its not the poor dogs fault who would end up being bit either:(

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:47 am

I'm an owner of two English Cocker Spaniels.... One has a lovely temprement, the other is a very nervous and sensitive dog, I keep him onlead because he has fear aggression... If a dog came hurtling at him, I don't doubt he'd attack, But me being responsible I take control of that and keep him onlead having consideration to all other dog walkers and also being able to enjoy a walk with my dogs myself..... He needs to be socialised just as any other dog does, not kept out of sight.....

The guy should not have yelled his dog would kill minks, but I'm guessing he maybe yelled this more out of fear and wanted to be sure you recalled your dogs..... I'm not saying that's right, I'm saying he probably used the worst thing he could think of to prevent a possible situation.

But I'm afraid, I have to say imho that you were in the wrong hun, the bloke had his dog under control, you on the other had dogs running loose that didn't answer to their recall..... other than maybe scaring you with his threat, I don't see that this man or his dog did anything wrong.....

He should be allowed to enjoy his walk with his dog without being charged at just as you should enjoy your walk with your dogs......

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:15 pm

If Killer Dog is on a Leash -( LEASH) isn't that how you control the DOG.?

I might be wrong - but control your dog that's on a leash.

I think this Mr. Killer Dog Owner has a bone to pick with you..

his attitude express's antimosity.

Tomorrow it could be laundry hanging out to dry.???

Patsy

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:36 pm

Patsy Warnick;998799 wrote: If Killer Dog is on a Leash -( LEASH) isn't that how you control the DOG.?

I might be wrong - but control your dog that's on a leash.

I think this Mr. Killer Dog Owner has a bone to pick with you..

his attitude express's antimosity.

Tomorrow it could be laundry hanging out to dry.???

Patsy

I've actually had dogs hurtling up to my dogs who were both on lead and the handler of the other dogs had no control over their recall, so I've actually stood in that blokes shoes..... I as he did, did nothing wrong other than walk my dogs responsibly.... I don't shout at other dogs owners who allow their dogs to be rude and charge up to other dogs because I'm out to pick a fight, I shout because I expect a little consideration to me as I give to them.... it isn't difficult to ask the owner if the dog is dog friendly before allowing your dog to run up to another....

Oh and as I read the post, the owner said - 'my dog will kill your dog' reading through that again, I'm guessing from what minks said, he was worried for minks dogs as they are toy breeds, had the terrier attacked one of them, it could well have done damage being that it is a much bigger dog, not because it's a 'killer' but because it was on lead, maybe fear aggresive and felt it was protecting itself.... The handler was being responsible, not picking a fight imo, he maybe chose the wrong words, but he did 'nothing' wrong.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:15 pm

Since this is a dog park with a no-leash law, the man should never have brought his killer dogs into it.

....its nature with dogs to want to be with other dogs, so don't blame yourself in your training whatsoever.

Perhaps a phone call to let the city know this man is bringing his killer dogs to the park in the place would really help him stay away.

he has no rights there.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:49 pm

As we speak, a good pal of mine is taking her beautiful GSD to a fab dog park by the ocean. It's a really important event for this dog and her owners. She and I might have different views on this (right Val?) but I personally think that there are times when even the best trained dog will snap into base mode and ignore or be so distracted that he won't even hear his alpha owner. This is why I have always questioned dog parks or any area where people let their dogs unleashed. On one hand dogs have a pack instinct and enjoy other dogs yet on the other, one rogue dog can mess up the whole deal.

Dog fights are one of the scariest and ugliest things to witness and if you try to break one up, you will almost undoubtedly get hurt yourself because they are in fight mode and that's all they're on about, they're not thinking of you as their alpha but as just another dog.

Maybe this guy had that in mind and lost some control himself when he saw what was happening. After all, you can scoop up a Pom into your arms to safety but hauling up an Airedale is a little harder to do. I read Minks's post repeatedly and I didn't get the idea that the guy was saying "my dog will kill your dog" as a threat at all, but as a warning to quickly get hold of her dog.

While I agree that you shouldn't take an aggressive dog to an off leash dog park situation (or even on leash actually) this incident may not mean his dog is aggressive by nature. Maybe this was an isolated incident. I have had some of the most mellow dogs who get along fine with other dogs, find a dog they don't like and turn on them. I don't consider that to be an aggressive dog unless it happens repeatedly.

Minks, obviously you know more about this guy than we do so I'm just offering up what I think. It upsets me that he's had attitude with you before. He probably wouldn't do anything bad but I'd definitely watch him around your dogs.

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:50 pm

Odie wrote: , the man should never have brought his killer dogs into it.

Am I missing something here?..... the guy 'threatened' the dog would kill.... nobody saw the dog kill anyone.... how can a dog be a killer if indeed it has never killed.... *shrugs* :-3

Odie wrote: Since this is a dog park with a no-leash law

It might be a park that 'allows' for dogs being off lead, the law doesn't state that the dog 'must' be off lead and it also states that your dog MUST be under cntrol at all times!

Odie wrote: ...its nature with dogs to want to be with other dogs, so don't blame yourself in your training whatsoever.

If an owner has a problem with recall, for the saftey of their dogs and of that of others it should be corrected.... If you don't train your dog properly, you can't then blame others for your faults.

he has no rights there.

He has as much right as any other dog walker in the park

Peeps are all far to quick to point the finger methinks..... my dog is as I said fear agressive.... He NEEDS to be socialised to help overcome this.... to do that he needs to be around other dogs..... 'he' is under control... I have as much right as any dog walker to walk my dogs in any dog walking area..... he is 'under control'...... If a dog needs more training with it's recall, then maybe that should be looked into to ensure your dog doesn't bother other dog walkers and cause a potential incident.... that would be the fault of the owner without control of their animal... not the fault of me....

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:47 pm

minks;998714 wrote: Oh his dog looks like an aredale terrier, one of those larger breed of dogs. My 2 dogs are a miniature American Eskimo so he is classed as small, and then my pom yorkie cross and she is classed as toy.

I know he yelled "my dog will kill your dog"

'my dog will kill your dog?'........so why did he walk his aggressive dog there?

only takes a second to tear apart a pom.

everyone is terrified of aggressive dogs, again, no place for that kind of dog in an unleashed enviornment.

minks, excellent training in that situation for them to come on second command!

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:27 pm

Can you imagine if the "killer" dog owner took his "killer" dog to a park where children are playing. What's he gonna do, yell "every kid here leave, my killer dog is here". Yes, I can just see the panicked children running and screaming.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:30 pm

You know something... I always see a different avenue..??

The dog on the leash , had a large aggressive dog.

he's yelling my dog will kill your's - my dog will kill your's - my dog will......

Natural insticts are to tighten the grip on the leash on killer dog as the other dog's are approaching.

Mink's dogs are smaller, yet yipping & maybe assertive & running around in circles.

Either Killer Dog Owner can't control his own dog - which in case he has no business walking the dog in public at all.

His attitude tells me - he has a bone to pick with her...

This isn't her first run in with this guy

and it won't be her last..

like I said - tomorrow her laundry..?

RED - your right - there's nothing worse than a dog fight - scares me.

Patsy

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:37 am

Odie;998946 wrote: 'my dog will kill your dog?'........so why did he walk his aggressive dog there?

only takes a second to tear apart a pom.

everyone is terrified of aggressive dogs, again, no place for that kind of dog in an unleashed enviornment.

minks, excellent training in that situation for them to come on second command!

I keep coming back to the topic as it is a bit close to home for me as I've said in my previous posts, I have a dog with fear aggression so when you talk in this way about how irresponsible this guy is for walking his dog in a dog walking area, then what you're saying is that I too fit into that category which I most certainly do not!... I take full responsibilty for my dog! I also consider other dog walkers when walking my dogs!... and I actually find some peoples attitude to people trying to walk their dog under control quite upsetting after all the work I've put into trying to help my dog, which can't be done without socialising him!..... ALL dogs have the potential to be aggressive! They're animals, not humans and ALL dogs should be kept under control..... I understand that's not always possible when out walking, but if another person loses control over their dog THEY should take responsibility for that!...... not me!

Having worked with dog behaviourists and T Touch for two years in trying to help my dog, this is a subject I know quite a bit about......

I am NOT irresponsible..... If my dog is under control, I have as much right to walk my dog when and where I want, as the bloke mentioned in this thread has.....

qsducks wrote: Can you imagine if the "killer" dog owner took his "killer" dog to a park where children are playing. What's he gonna do, yell "every kid here leave, my killer dog is here". Yes, I can just see the panicked children running and screaming.

How did this topic go from talking about a possible 'dog' aggressive dog to a now being a possible 'child killer'?! :-3

Sorry if I sound passionate about this, but it's exactly posts like this and some others in this thread that results in owners being beaten down into believing their dog is a 'killer'!... resulting in them taking the option to destroy their pet...... No responsible dog owner would take ANY dog to a playground no matter how passive and leave it loose with children, any contact a child has with a dog should ALWAYS be supervised..... A child should not approach ANY dog without the owners permission, I've known even the most gentlest of dogs to snap if provoked.....

Patsy Warnick wrote: Either Killer Dog Owner can't control his own dog - which in case he has no business walking the dog in public at all.

OK, so an owner loses control over their dog, they do not return when recalled, the other person who had control over their dog, then loses control because of the now situation..... If as you say the man should not be there because he lost control over his dog, then shouldn't the other person who also lost control and caused the incident in the first place lose the right to walk their dog too?..... If as you said a person who loses control has no buisness walking a dog in public, that rule should apply to everybody - right?

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:26 am

Scouse

you say "your dog is under control"

could you please explain HOW your control is different than one in this thread.?

Leashed ? or running free?

Patsy

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:27 am

[QUOTE=scouse;999208]I keep coming back to the topic as it is a bit close to home for me as I've said in my previous posts, I have a dog with fear aggression so when you talk in this way about how irresponsible this guy is for walking his dog in a dog walking area, then what you're saying is that I too fit into that category which I most certainly do not!... I take full responsibilty for my dog! I also consider other dog walkers when walking my dogs!... and I actually find some peoples attitude to people trying to walk their dog under control quite upsetting after all the work I've put into trying to help my dog, which can't be done without socialising him!..... ALL dogs have the potential to be aggressive! They're animals, not humans and ALL dogs should be kept under control..... I understand that's not always possible when out walking, but if another person loses control over their dog THEY should take responsibility for that!...... not me!(QUOTE)

Not sure why you keep thinking this thread is about you and your dog?

Perhaps you should start a thread on behaviors of aggressive dogs.

All dogs do not have the potential to be aggressive.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:34 am

Odie;999649 wrote: [QUOTE=scouse;999208]I keep coming back to the topic as it is a bit close to home for me as I've said in my previous posts, I have a dog with fear aggression so when you talk in this way about how irresponsible this guy is for walking his dog in a dog walking area, then what you're saying is that I too fit into that category which I most certainly do not!... I take full responsibilty for my dog! I also consider other dog walkers when walking my dogs!... and I actually find some peoples attitude to people trying to walk their dog under control quite upsetting after all the work I've put into trying to help my dog, which can't be done without socialising him!..... ALL dogs have the potential to be aggressive! They're animals, not humans and ALL dogs should be kept under control..... I understand that's not always possible when out walking, but if another person loses control over their dog THEY should take responsibility for that!...... not me!(QUOTE)

Not sure why you keep thinking this thread is about you and your dog?

this thread is about what minks and her dogs went thru.

Perhaps you should start a thread on behaviors of aggressive dogs.

All dogs do not have the potential to be aggressive.

I agree with you and Patsy on this subject.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:35 am

Odie;999649 wrote: [QUOTE=scouse;999208]I keep coming back to the topic as it is a bit close to home for me as I've said in my previous posts, I have a dog with fear aggression so when you talk in this way about how irresponsible this guy is for walking his dog in a dog walking area, then what you're saying is that I too fit into that category which I most certainly do not!... I take full responsibilty for my dog! I also consider other dog walkers when walking my dogs!... and I actually find some peoples attitude to people trying to walk their dog under control quite upsetting after all the work I've put into trying to help my dog, which can't be done without socialising him!..... ALL dogs have the potential to be aggressive! They're animals, not humans and ALL dogs should be kept under control..... I understand that's not always possible when out walking, but if another person loses control over their dog THEY should take responsibility for that!...... not me!(QUOTE)

Not sure why you keep thinking this thread is about you and your dog?

Perhaps you should start a thread on behaviors of aggressive dogs.

All dogs do not have the potential to be aggressive.

I disagree, I do think ALL dogs have the potential to be aggressive.

Any dog has the capability of being aggressive if placed in the wrong environment or in the hands of a cruel or incompetent trainer or owner.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:35 am

qsducks;999658 wrote: [QUOTE=Odie;999649]

I agree with you and Patsy on this subject.

amen!:-5

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:37 am

My dog who is now nearly 4 years old is adorable soft natured loves anyone and everyone, never gone for a human or another dog but I would never fully trust him 100% not to do so.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:38 am

Chezzie;999659 wrote: [QUOTE=Odie;999649]

I disagree, I do think ALL dogs have the potential to be aggressive.

Any dog has the capability of being aggressive if placed in the wrong environment or in the hands of a cruel or incompetent trainer or owner.

....but if they are brought up the right way will never show their aggressiveness.

its in the breeding of certain dogs and how their owners train and bring them up.

ex: pitbulls, its in their blood to be aggressive...............and rottweillers just to name a few.

but we also have neighbours that have a rottweiller, its like a little kid, he wouldn't hurt a fly.

any dog or cat will become aggressive if threatened.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:38 am

Odie;999660 wrote: [QUOTE=qsducks;999658]

amen!:-5

So funny...ducks agrees with Patsy but quotes Odie and Odie says thanks:wah::wah:

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:38 am

Patsy Warnick;999645 wrote: Scouse

you say "your dog is under control"

could you please explain HOW your control is different than one in this thread.?

Leashed ? or running free?

Patsy

No problem

The control I have over my dog is no different to that of the guy mentioned in this thread really.....

My dog has fear aggression, he has excellent recall and on the whole is a good dog, but.... if he is scared it is possible he could attack, I know this and being responsible, I control the situation by keeping him on lead when walking with other dogs and their owners so as not to provoke a possible situation - This is my controlling my dog and being considerate to others, I would NEVER allow my dog to 'bother' another

Odie;999649 wrote: Not sure why you keep thinking this thread is about you and your dog?

I don't.

I am using comparisons and liking the situation to ones I too have been in, as often happens in threads Odie..... I have stayed on topic and have not strayed from the conversation at all.

Odie wrote: Perhaps you should start your own thread on behaviors of aggressive dogs.

No thankyou... I'm happy to respond in this thread

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:40 am

Chezzie;999662 wrote: My dog who is now nearly 4 years old is adorable soft natured loves anyone and everyone, never gone for a human or another dog but I would never fully trust him 100% not to do so.

I'll have to meet Scrappy some day. He is adorable and you are a good owner to him.:p

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:41 am

Odie;999664 wrote: [QUOTE=Chezzie;999659]

....but most never show their aggressivness if brought up the right way....

its in the breeding of certain dogs and how their owners train and bring them up.

I agree BUT they could. You can never fully 100% trust an animal. same with humans I suppose lol..

I adore my dog and would like to think he would never retaliate but who knows, it happens alot where for no apparent reason a dog has attacked a human or another dog even though they knew them. Just cant say never, always air on the side of caution and you wont go far wrong I say.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:44 am

Chezzie;999662 wrote: My dog who is now nearly 4 years old is adorable soft natured loves anyone and everyone, never gone for a human or another dog but I would never fully trust him 100% not to do so.

I definately agree! as said, any cat or dog will become aggressive if threatened, its just animals nature.

what kind is he/she?

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:46 am

qsducks;999671 wrote: I'll have to meet Scrappy some day. He is adorable and you are a good owner to him.:p

I luv him so much:-4

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:48 am

Odie;999681 wrote: I definately agree! as said, any cat or dog will become aggressive if threatened, its just animals nature.

what kind is he/she?

Half Jack Russell half springer spaniel:-4

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:48 am

Scouse

keeping your dog on lead ?? explain

leash long &?

or Leash held/gripped tight - which pulls the dog close upagainst you?

how control?

any difference from this guy in the Park?

if leash is pulled tight & dog in up against you

then the mouth of your dog is @ your thigh area ?? correct.??

and Mink's little yipper is running in a circle & then back to Minks.

yet you the dog owner, under control, want to scream killer - my dog will kill yours? There's something wrong with this picture..?

so if you would explain the scenario at the park & the difference on control?

Thanks

Patsy

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:48 am

Odie;999681 wrote: I definately agree! as said, any cat or dog will become aggressive if threatened, its just animals nature.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:49 am

Chezzie;999684 wrote: Half Jack Russell half springer spaniel:-4

just went to your gallery, he is simply adorable, love his colours and his eyes!

ButterflyPrincess · Post by **ButterflyPrincess** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:49 am

Wow Minks. that scary. We used to take our dogs to the dog park every weekend. We stopped though because we were there and some pit bull tried attacking another dog.. it was about an inch from the little dogs face and the owner picked it up. We haven't gone back.. people are so stupid for bringing their mean animals to an off leash park. You didn't do anything wrong this jacka55 did buy bringing his..

stupidity pi55es me off.

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:52 am

Patsy Warnick;999685 wrote: Scouse

keeping your dog on lead ?? explain

leash long &?

or Leash held/gripped tight - which pulls the dog close upagainst you?

how control?

any difference from this guy in the Park?

if leash is pulled tight & dog in up against you

then the mouth of your dog is @ your thigh area ?? correct.??

and Mink's little yipper is running in a circle & then back to Minks.

yet you the dog owner, under control, want to scream killer - my dog will kill yours? There's something wrong with this picture..?

so if you would explain the scenario at the park & the difference on control?

Thanks

Patsy

You asked how my dog was kept under control I told you already - I did not liken how I speak to people with that of the man in the thread - I do not treat anybody in any such way.... I in no way condone threats.

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:55 am

Chezzie;999683 wrote: I luv him so much:-4

Awwww Chezzie he's stunning! :-4

Here's my boys... little loves both of them

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:07 pm

scouse;999699 wrote: Awwww Chezzie he's stunning! :-4

Here's my boys... little loves both of them

wow beautiful dogs, absolutely gorgeous and that last pic almost looked like a drawing or a painting..stunning

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:13 pm

and here is just one of mine!:wah:

this one can take any dog any day!:wah:

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:16 pm

LOL.... a beautiful puddy tat Odie! :wah:

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:20 pm

Odie;999738 wrote: and here is just one of mine!:wah:

this one can take any dog any day!:wah:

My what a cute puss:D

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:27 pm

scouse;999743 wrote: LOL.... a beautiful puddy tat Odie! :wah:

thanks, just don't get to close, this one's a tough player!:wah:

Milly · Post by **Milly** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:30 pm

Odie;999769 wrote: thanks, just don't get to close, this one's a tough player!:wah:

haha..... My rufty tufty dog was beaten by a cat once! :wah:.... I heard all this commotion coming from the garden so rushed out to see what was happening.... my dog had a cat cornered and was approaching it when it struck out so fast.... my dog ran like a screaming baby! :wah:

ButterflyPrincess · Post by **ButterflyPrincess** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:31 pm

you can see my animals in my profile- i don't want to hijack minks thread. lol

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:35 pm

I'll sum my view up like this:

The owner of" Killer Dog" should record his statement "MY DOG WILL KILL YOURS"

he'll need it as he has a wonderful afternoon walking thru a Dog Park , especially a park which allows no leash.

What a wonderful afternoon..!!:-5 oh, road rage got old..?

Minks - are in trouble about you laundry yet.?

Patsy

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:17 pm

Hi everyone. I have just a couple of comments.

I think someone else mentioned this but none of us were there to hear

and see the situation. The guy might simply have said killer dog to impress

upon Minks the urgency of the situation.

NO animal is 100% 100% of the time, even the very best trained ones.

Don't know about the laws up there, but here if a leashed dog attacks

and kills an unleashed one, it is the unleashed dog's owner's fault.

Dogs shouldn't be off leash unless their recall is solid. (keeping in mind

the 100% comment)

Dog parks can be problematic. Dogs are pack animals, it's true, but the

problem is the pack that forms in a dog park at any one time is

different and the animals don't have established hierarchies, so there

may be battles trying to establish unless all the owners are good alphas,

which I have yet to see happen. Wolves on the other hand, with a few

exceptions, have the pack status fully formed and consistent without

the need for battles, the individual wolves all know their place in the

pack.

Back in February, I had a bad experience at a dog park, and won't ever

take Sierra back there. One owner really made me feel badly and would

NOT listen to anything I had to say. The trip to a much larger park

yesterday was the first time I've gone to one with a dog since that

time. I will start a thread to show you guys what the day was like.

TheNewDG · Post by **TheNewDG** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:21 pm

HE should have remained calm instead of screaming "my dog will kill your dog." he should have shutr his yap, tried to calm his dogs and waited patiently until you leashed yours. At least that is what I would have done were I him.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:45 pm

TheNewDG;999884 wrote: HE should have remained calm instead of screaming "my dog will kill your dog." he should have shutr his yap, tried to calm his dogs and waited patiently until you leashed yours. At least that is what I would have done were I him.

I agree, well said!

bravo!

minks · Post by **minks** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:05 pm

Wow I totally see everybody's side to this. I have questioned myself too for allowing my dogs to have a good run. At the time I entered the park we were alone so this caught me and my dogs by surprise and I think my dogs went into "run and greet mode" and yes they did come to me after call number 2 and yes this park is a off leash park for dogs to enjoy. I tried to make a call to animal bylaw services out of curiosity mostly on how the situation should have been handled and who was in the wrong, again it could have come across as me not having control of my pups. I never got through to animal bylaw so I remain stumped.

As the day went on I gave up doubting either my actions or his but got to thinking what if it were a small child running up to that dog.

I suspect my relationship with this neighbor is further damaged.