Presidential Prediction

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:41 am

I watched a film last night called "Black Hawk Down" mmmmmm Interesting

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:42 am

And I watched a double episode of Cold Case.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:18 pm

qsducks;991596 wrote: And I watched a double episode of Cold Case. Black Hawk Down is supposed to be a true story of American troops in Somalia. Very Interesting. We get cold case as well but i prefer CSI Miami.:p

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:55 pm

Helicopters getting shot down makes me think of Jimmy Carter and that, of course, makes me think of Barak Obama. At least Carter had some experience as a Governor.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:30 am

Hoss;992163 wrote: That is a true story and the account is very accurate according to my Dad. Two of his best friends were killed during that incident. It's a very hard subject for my dad he's very angry at former President Clinton for it and blames him directly, calls him a coward and a sell out over it. The film was awfull. I haven't read enough to know what Clinton's failures there were. I have similar feelings about watching "Saving Private Ryan". When family were involved in real life, it's tough. I wish they would show kids these films in school.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:22 am

Clint;992136 wrote: Helicopters getting shot down makes me think of Jimmy Carter and that, of course, makes me think of Barak Obama. At least Carter had some experience as a Governor. Carter--He was the peanut man, Right?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:32 pm

Hoss;993496 wrote: A man named General Garrison took the blame for what Bill Clinton should have admitted to. Bill Clinton gave orders to reduce the US presence there knowing full well active objectives existed that would have put the men in a direct firefight without air cover on a scale large enough to support the mission. In addition Bill Clinton gave the orders to capture the main target knowing peace negotiations were going on at the same time. That’s talking out both sides of your mouth, which people seem to be blind about when it comes to him.

As it happened, the men did go after the main target (Adid, Abid?) I can't recall for sure what his name is. When the Blackhawk went down and the mission was compromised the air cover should have been brought online to cover the men on the ground, had one gunship been in the vicinity those men who chose to stand on the ground and fight to protect Michael Durant, the pilot of the first downed Blackhawk, would not have been killed. Then the men who had to retreat from the city over many blocked roads would have been covered and the gunship’s could have blown a pathway to safety for them through the streets from the air. They would not have had to do a running gun battle from the street and stay the night under hostile conditions killing many men. Instead Bill Clinton had ordered the gunships to leave to make it appear to reporters that the Somali mission was winding down, when in fact Bill Clinton had not changed one single objective.

Bill Clinton is at fault, negligent in his duties to protect the men of the United States Army and affiliated agencies under an ordered mission. My dad wrote many letters, was interviewed, and he was very outspoken about it as far up the chain of command as he could go. I remember dad saying his inquiries were stopped at the feet of bought and paid for career climbing democrat officers who much like Bill Clinton, couldn’t lead three blind mice across the street.

I know two things about my dad, when he is in the right, and wrong is done around him he will stay on it like a bulldog, and I don’t ever want to be on the wrong side when he’s right. I think my dad would have a very difficult time not ripping Bill Clinton’s head off if he ever got in range of his powerful arms.

In government schools, you can't show kids the truth, it would ruin the liberal governments agenda. I have read your post over & over. I suppose that's the thing with politics. We know our own history & what is going on in our own countrys but don't know half the truth about other countries. I truely did not know any of this. I don't have alot of time for googling, i wish i did. So much to learn. I find this of great interest. Thanks for the imfo, i intend to google this in my spare time to find out more. I'm just pleased your dad got home safe & that one son got his dad back. This shows another side to Clinton that i did not know about. They say ignorance is bliss don't they. Do you think Hilary would have been in a similar mind set if she became VP or President? We have kids in this country who don't even know what country we were at war with. If they did show them the films, the kids would just think it was Hollywood. Best Wishes Hoss, Oscar:-6

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:42 pm

Can i just say, i walked into an A & E dept of a hospital just now at 02.45 a.m. in pain. I was seen by a senior nurse at 02.48 a.m. She made a phone call to a doctor on a ward. He saw me at 03.05 a.m. He diagnosed my pain, gave me pain relief & treated me. I was home at 03.30 a.m. All free of charge America. The wonderfull Nhs that we Brits love to moan about. Brilliant service. If Obama could give America that service, he'd win by a landslide i'm sure. Thankyou National Health Service of Great Britain. Wonderful.:-6:-6:-6

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:50 pm

Hoss;993510 wrote: My dad is back out there again doing his job, thanks for the nice words. I think we need to tell kids the facts in school and link the real stuff, hand them the reports and discuss things outloud in the classrooms. We did at the dinner table, my dad would cut articles out of the papers and we'd read them and sift through the 'agenda' and the truth. I learned a lot about the real world through that. My dad was a spitfire pilot in WW11. His father was blown up by a shell in a trench on the Somme aged 29 yrs old. My dad was 9 yrs old & his dad never came home. His brother in law, a Jap p.o.w. My dad couldn't talk about his time but i used to see the tears when a film or some report came on. I think every one who goes to war for their country is a hero. We need hero's. Tell your dad from me that some-one, somewhere, learnt something new today.:-1

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:54 pm

oscar;993511 wrote: Can i just say, i walked into an A & E dept of a hospital just now at 02.45 a.m. in pain. I was seen by a senior nurse at 02.48 a.m. She made a phone call to a doctor on a ward. He saw me at 03.05 a.m. He diagnosed my pain, gave me pain relief & treated me. I was home at 03.30 a.m. All free of charge America. The wonderfull Nhs that we Brits love to moan about. Brilliant service. If Obama could give America that service, he'd win by a landslide i'm sure. Thankyou National Health Service of Great Britain. Wonderful.:-6:-6:-6

Our health insurance is also covered here, but the wait times at our hospitals range from 4-12 hours!

They do not hire enough staff.................cutbacks again!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:22 pm

Odie;993516 wrote: Our health insurance is also covered here, but the wait times at our hospitals range from 4-12 hours!

They do not hire enough staff.................cutbacks again! We get alot wrong here in the NHS but i do get annoyed with people who just complain about it all the time. It's free to one & all dispite age or income. I thought they would be quiet on a tues/wed night but it was busy. The nurse first told me i could wait 3 hrs for a doc as they had an exceptionally busy night on the wards. What a service??:-6

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:11 am

oscar;993511 wrote: Can i just say, i walked into an A & E dept of a hospital just now at 02.45 a.m. in pain. I was seen by a senior nurse at 02.48 a.m. She made a phone call to a doctor on a ward. He saw me at 03.05 a.m. He diagnosed my pain, gave me pain relief & treated me. I was home at 03.30 a.m. All free of charge America. The wonderfull Nhs that we Brits love to moan about. Brilliant service. If Obama could give America that service, he'd win by a landslide i'm sure. Thankyou National Health Service of Great Britain. Wonderful.:-6:-6:-6
Nothing is free of charge. The senior nurse, doctor, and all the supporting staff do not donate their time. Either you paid for your service in taxes or someone else did. I'm glad you're okay, though! :-6

You're right about Obama. If he can convince people he can give them something for nothing they will vote for him - freedom, responsibility, self-determination, long-term consequences, and the constitution be damned.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:05 am

Accountable;993648 wrote: Nothing is free of charge. The senior nurse, doctor, and all the supporting staff do not donate their time. Either you paid for your service in taxes or someone else did. I'm glad you're okay, though! :-6

You're right about Obama. If he can convince people he can give them something for nothing they will vote for him - freedom, responsibility, self-determination, long-term consequences, and the constitution be damned. You are right of course. We pay national insurance charges out of our wages weekly or monthly. People just love to complain about paying it. Some people will go through their whole lives without asking for hospital treatment but a heck of a lot pay nothing into this country. They either live their lives on benifit, milking the NHS even for free nicotine patches, or bring their families to the U.K. to take advantage. Sorry, but it happens. I would have got the same treatment if i was an illegal, a tramp or The Duke of Edinborough. The sum we are asked to pay into this system from our wages is paltry compared to what is on offer. Even when they get treatment as i did, they will find something to critisize the NHS for. It's free to millions & it's something most citizens of this country just take for granted. It's there, it's free. This morning i went to my own doc with the letter from the hospital. I had no appointment & people had fixed appointments. I was in hospital so i got seen immediatly. I am grateful to my doc for putting his patients back by half an hour for me. There are people here, who will walk in & demand it as their right. The hospitals & local docs get little thanks. I just wanted to say how great Britain is at doing this. No-one is ever refused & you know your safe. People here call out paramedics because they can't get the top off a ketchup bottle. They waste vital services & then complain. If only we could get the rest of the country running to the same level of care. If Obama or McCain put the same service forward for America, they would win hands down. It's one thing we do well.:-6:-6 Thanks for caring.

:)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:11 am

WARNING AMERICA. Gordon Brown is to be in New York later in the week to talk about bail out for the banks. Don't be fooled by this man.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:13 am

Oscar apologises for hogging the thread. It's midday in Blighty & i wanted to get this on before catching up on sleep after last night.

I found this in "The Daily Mail" (yeah, i know GMC) from yesterday. The Hardcastle colomn. Quote"Tran Trong Duyet, 75, the vietnamese jailer of presidential candidate John McCain, 72, says he supports the former U.S. Navy Pilot's bid for the presidency but denies the Senator's torture claims, explaining: "Some Americans still carry a predjudice toward Vietnam, so McCain has to say he was beaten to gain the votes of the people."

Oh, it must be a dream McCain once had then along with all the other p.o.w.'s that you tortured. I don't think so Ting Tong!!:wah::wah::wah:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:38 am

oscar;993699 wrote: Oscar apologises for hogging the thread. It's midday in Blighty & i wanted to get this on before catching up on sleep after last night.

I found this in "The Daily Mail" (yeah, i know GMC) from yesterday. The Hardcastle colomn. Quote"Tran Trong Duyet, 75, the vietnamese jailer of presidential candidate John McCain, 72, says he supports the former U.S. Navy Pilot's bid for the presidency but denies the Senator's torture claims, explaining: "Some Americans still carry a predjudice toward Vietnam, so McCain has to say he was beaten to gain the votes of the people."

Oh, it must be a dream McCain once had then along with all the other p.o.w.'s that you tortured. I don't think so Ting Tong!!:wah::wah::wah:

You need more balance in your reading

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:00 pm

gmc;994046 wrote: You need more balance in your reading

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/

Thanks for that GMC. I need more fibre in my diet but i won't go there.

As ever, you always put me right.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:56 pm

well i feel with the bailout. Bush has just handed the race to Obama. also with McCain saying he will not attend the debate Tomorrow. i want to hear how both sides will try to fix this mess. It looks like McCain is putting his tail between his legs and running from the issues. Bad move i feel. no matter what McCain may do now it will look like. If things get tough he will do a ABOUT FACE.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:45 pm

southern yankee;994746 wrote: well i feel with the bailout. Bush has just handed the race to Obama. also with McCain saying he will not attend the debate Tomorrow. i want to hear how both sides will try to fix this mess. It looks like McCain is putting his tail between his legs and running from the issues. Bad move i feel. no matter what McCain may do now it will look like. If things get tough he will do a ABOUT FACE.
Yup, Bush is saying that the right way do run the gov't is to spend spend spend, which is right up Obama's talking points. I wish the gov't would get the hell out of the way so we can get through this quickly.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:29 pm

Bush's State of the Union Address . What do you think?? 1-800-748-9710. PLEASE CALL AND STATE YOUR OPPION!!!!!!!!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:38 am

southern yankee;994746 wrote: well i feel with the bailout. Bush has just handed the race to Obama. also with McCain saying he will not attend the debate Tomorrow. i want to hear how both sides will try to fix this mess. It looks like McCain is putting his tail between his legs and running from the issues. Bad move i feel. no matter what McCain may do now it will look like. If things get tough he will do a ABOUT FACE. Guess what happened doubters?? McCain did join the debate. If i needed any further re-assurance that Obama does nothing but waffle even in crisis, then reports in British papers & the BBC have done just that. One national paper reported that Quote" Barack Obama wasted energy attacking McCain's proposal provoking charges of political point-scoring while the country suffered". McCain had called for a suspension of the election campaign while the problems over the economy were thrashed out on Capital Hill. That's your President right there-- the man who'd rather stay in Capital Hill & solve the financial crisis. Obama resorts to political point-scoring & once again proves, not only has he no substance but is a vain weak man. He would far rather be taking the stage, posing on his campaign trail with more of his "We need change" drivil. As another major American bank, the biggest American bank, Washington Mutual, crashes today, Obama wants to carry on with his new messiah blaze. even when it means that every day that goes by, the man in the street is suffering cut backs & more taxes. As with his abuse to Sarah Palin in Virginia, all Obama can do is waste energy point-scoring against McCain. He has just shown that it matters not to him that the country is suffering, he'd rather score points for his campaign. He is a deluded selfish man who i seriously doubt has his country men close to his heart. Give me a man willing to sit it out talking until there is an answer any day. Gordon Brown will be joining the debate for the bail out in America. I just hope McCain teaches him some tips. McCain has his countrymen as his 1st priority, not swaning around the country, spending more government money posing & preening like Obama. "New Messiah"??? Old Bullshit!!!

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:58 pm

oscar;997400 wrote: Guess what happened doubters?? McCain did join the debate. If i needed any further re-assurance that Obama does nothing but waffle even in crisis, then reports in British papers & the BBC have done just that. One national paper reported that Quote" Barack Obama wasted energy attacking McCain's proposal provoking charges of political point-scoring while the country suffered". McCain had called for a suspension of the election campaign while the problems over the economy were thrashed out on Capital Hill. That's your President right there-- the man who'd rather stay in Capital Hill & solve the financial crisis. Obama resorts to political point-scoring & once again proves, not only has he no substance but is a vain weak man. He would far rather be taking the stage, posing on his campaign trail with more of his "We need change" drivil. As another major American bank, the biggest American bank, Washington Mutual, crashes today, Obama wants to carry on with his new messiah blaze. even when it means that every day that goes by, the man in the street is suffering cut backs & more taxes. As with his abuse to Sarah Palin in Virginia, all Obama can do is waste energy point-scoring against McCain. He has just shown that it matters not to him that the country is suffering, he'd rather score points for his campaign. He is a deluded selfish man who i seriously doubt has his country men close to his heart. Give me a man willing to sit it out talking until there is an answer any day. Gordon Brown will be joining the debate for the bail out in America. I just hope McCain teaches him some tips. McCain has his countrymen as his 1st priority, not swaning around the country, spending more government money posing & preening like Obama. "New Messiah"??? Old Bullshit!!! whoever gets in CHARGE OF THIS DISASTER. GOOD LUCK!! BECAUSE HE WILL NEED IT!!

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:12 pm

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar...

I posted this in another thread..

For all who want to be heard & can participate go to

CNN.com/Forums

It's interesting type survey which will be annouced during/after the debate

I've enjoyed the views here & will reply after the Debate.

I promised on my Honor to listen to both candidates equally - so help me God..

Patsy

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:12 pm

southern yankee;997885 wrote: whoever gets in CHARGE OF THIS DISASTER. GOOD LUCK!! BECAUSE HE WILL NEED IT!! What a disaster for either candidate to take charge of. Bush was reported two days ago as saying he hoped the Republican or Democratic lawyers could resolve this. To me, that's politician speak for "Thank god i'm going & some-one else has to sort this mess out". As in the crisis when Russia went into Georgia, Obama had another chance to show leadership & all he did was resort to point-scoring against McCain. From the news in Britain, it seems that Obama just wants the campaign trail to go on without giving a damn about the severity of the Financial crisis. If he cared for his countrymen, he would be with McCain, sticking it out in Capital Hill, in talks until a solution was found. If the news is reported in America as it is being here, i think Obama has just cost himself a lot of votes. Once again McCain is showing strength & leadership.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:02 am

oscar;997901 wrote: What a disaster for either candidate to take charge of. Bush was reported two days ago as saying he hoped the Republican or Democratic lawyers could resolve this. To me, that's politician speak for "Thank god i'm going & some-one else has to sort this mess out". As in the crisis when Russia went into Georgia, Obama had another chance to show leadership & all he did was resort to point-scoring against McCain. From the news in Britain, it seems that Obama just wants the campaign trail to go on without giving a damn about the severity of the Financial crisis. If he cared for his countrymen, he would be with McCain, sticking it out in Capital Hill, in talks until a solution was found. If the news is reported in America as it is being here, i think Obama has just cost himself a lot of votes. Once again McCain is showing strength & leadership.

Actually of he cared about his countrymen his first concern would be to get rid of the culture that allowed this kind of thing to happen. This is right wing politics going wrong the way it always does. You can't protect the interests of an elite in the deluded belief that somehow that will make everything better for the less fortunate. It doesn't work, never has and never will. The really annoying thing is we have had a labour party go along with it. That's what did for Thatcher in the end and is going to result in the massive defeat of the labour party at the next election. British voters aren't quite as gullible as politicians like to think. They just take a while to get really annoyed about things.

Aggression in foreign policy isn't the sign of a strong leader it's a sign of aggression and being aggressive always gets the same in return. It's something little children eventually learn or they end up as disturbed adults unable to cope with the world around them.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:16 am

I hope McCain/Palin win.....

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:42 am

Ian;998153 wrote: Obama seemed to struggle with McCain's first name :-3

he called him Jim about three times and also Tim at least once,

Obama couldn't focus on who he was talking to :-2

why Jim and Tim?
Had McCain done something like that there'd be cries of senility. This will probably not even be noticed beyond last night.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:56 am

Sorry to tell you this, but from what I see you're screwed no matter who gets in.

Good luck my American friends and enjoy paying off your 700 billion dept. to save the banks that have screwed up your entire economic system.

You leaders need to stop worrying about foreign policies and start cleaning up their own back yard.

Anyone can lead during the good times, but it takes real leadership to get you through the tough times, and I just think either of the candidates are made of the stuff.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:06 am

Ian;998166 wrote: Oh yes good point :-6 although I cant believe that McCain himself didn't notice, you would think that a pro republican tabloid journalist could point score here?

But I haven't seen anything yet:-3

so I guess it's me who's breaking this news story :wah:
The pundits I watched called it a "clever" tactic to ruffle McCain's feathers. That was before they got in their giant SUVs with the Obama bumper sticker ... right next to the Stop Global Warming sticker.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:25 am

Hoss;998172 wrote: Us Americans, will make it happen, no problem. Traditionally when there is a problem we figure a way out.

On the other hand, it'd sure be nice for all those countries we rescued or dumped money into over the years to give us a slight leg up.

Any takers?:)

By 'dumped money' do you mean the 3 trillion spent on the Iraq war? I am sure they would like to give it back to you in more ways than one..

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:01 am

Ian;998153 wrote: Obama seemed to struggle with McCain's first name :-3

he called him Jim about three times and also Tim at least once,

Obama couldn't focus on who he was talking to :-2

why Jim and Tim? Simple--- he's an idiot:wah: 3 letters in a word is the max he can cope with

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:06 am

Hoss;998172 wrote: Us Americans, will make it happen, no problem. Traditionally when there is a problem we figure a way out.

On the other hand, it'd sure be nice for all those countries we rescued or dumped money into over the years to give us a slight leg up.

Any takers?:) Britain has done it & is still doing it. Some Brits are pissed off that Gordon Brown is over in America offering another bail out package when our own economy is collapsing. People with sense, know that we have to do this because the financial crisis in America always has an effect on the U.K. We needed a new iron. A few days ago my husband went to a store & bought a whizz bang steam iron for £3.99-- thats about 2.5 dollars. As usual it came from China. If we didn't import these cheap consumer products, maybe our own economy's would lift?? I agree though Hoss. Britain also has invested mega money over the years to floundering country's. Some just don't like payback. I remember a situation where it is alleged in the press that the Pakistan government told Tony Blair "To mind his own business" when he questioned the harbouring of 9/11 suspects & training camps for deluded young muslim Brits. Only months later, Pakistan was pleading with Blair for aid due to a massive earthquake.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:21 am

mikeinie;998168 wrote: Sorry to tell you this, but from what I see you're screwed no matter who gets in.

Good luck my American friends and enjoy paying off your 700 billion dept. to save the banks that have screwed up your entire economic system.

You leaders need to stop worrying about foreign policies and start cleaning up their own back yard.

Anyone can lead during the good times, but it takes real leadership to get you through the tough times, and I just think either of the candidates are made of the stuff. We will have our own elections in the near future. There are people here who believe if they vote for the alternative parties, the problems are resolved the next morning. We will have the same situation. Whoever gets in will spend years undoing the failures of the previous government. If only we had an alternative like McCain but we don't. Our opposition is a weak willed David Ca"moron" who simply doesn't have the strength to lead our country. I have been against Gordon Brown for the last year but when i look at the alternative, i think "maybe better the devil you know".

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:00 am

:yh_giggle I can't help but chuckle thinking of McCain as an "alternative" but I guess he would be in your gov't.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:24 am

Accountable;998442 wrote: :yh_giggle I can't help but chuckle thinking of McCain as an "alternative" but I guess he would be in your gov't. Anything in our government would be an alternative. O.J. Simpson on crack cocaine would be an alternative.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:41 am

oscar;998487 wrote: Anything in our government would be an alternative. O.J. Simpson on crack cocaine would be an alternative.

:wah: