Extinguishing the Human Species

coberst · Post by **coberst** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:20 am

Extinguishing the Human Species

Evidently human females are born with all of their eggs already in their body. I have often speculated that some form of radiation might some day make every human female egg sterile.

“HOW MANY EGGS DOES A WOMAN ACTUALLY HAVE?

A human female typically has about 400,000 follicles/potential eggs, all formed before birth. Only several hundred (about 480) of these “eggs will actually ever be released during her reproductive years. Normally, in humans, after the onset of puberty, due to the stimulation of follicular-stimulating-hormone (FSH) one “egg per cycle matures and is released from its ovary. One month the left ovary will release a potential egg and the next month the right ovary will release a potential egg.

http://www.drstandley.com/bodysystems_femalerepro.shtml

If I had the power to sterilize all human female eggs and thus in 100 years clear the planet of humans I would give it careful consideration.

I suspect that within the next 200 years we humans will most likely bring an end to our species and possibly the end to all life on this planet.

I think that the only way to prevent this is for our species to become much more intellectually sophisticated than it is now; I see little evidence that this will occur. The problems we face today are enormous and while we have the brain power to prevent this we may well not have the necessary character traits to do so. I suspect our species is a dead end species.

Do you think that the human species might extinguish it self within a few centuries?

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:04 pm

Mother nature is kicking back in the same merciless way that we have eliminated so many species by changing their environment into one where survival is difficult. We deserve it.

Good post Coberst.

Devonin · Post by **Devonin** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:51 am

If I had the power to sterilize all human female eggs and thus in 100 years clear the planet of humans I would give it careful consideration.

I think that is one of the most monsterous things I have ever heard in my life.

Unless or until you can prove that there is an actual objective purpose to existence besides continued existence that we are somehow failing to adhere to (And I'd be very curious to see such a proof) the whole concept of it being -good- for humanity to wipe itself out is just idiotic.

The whole purpose of things which live is creating negative entropy which they do by continuing to live and reproduce.

I also think you highly overestimate our abilities as destroyers.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:04 am

Devonin;979287 wrote: the whole concept of it being -good- for humanity to wipe itself out is just idiotic.

He did not mean good for humanity imo, he meant good for the planet.

Devonin · Post by **Devonin** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:00 am

At the risk of sounding obtuse: WIth no humans left, what do we care about the planet? Again I ask you: What is the point of existence if not to continue existing?

If you genuinely truthfully feel that the planet is more important than humanity, and that the planet will be measurably better off without people, then suicide as a service to the earth.

I'm going to continue existing.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:26 am

:wah:

Do i think the planet would be a better place without people = yes

Am i going to commit suicide = No

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:37 am

coberst;976738 wrote: Extinguishing the Human Species

Evidently human females are born with all of their eggs already in their body. I have often speculated that some form of radiation might some day make every human female egg sterile.

“HOW MANY EGGS DOES A WOMAN ACTUALLY HAVE?

A human female typically has about 400,000 follicles/potential eggs, all formed before birth. Only several hundred (about 480) of these “eggs will actually ever be released during her reproductive years. Normally, in humans, after the onset of puberty, due to the stimulation of follicular-stimulating-hormone (FSH) one “egg per cycle matures and is released from its ovary. One month the left ovary will release a potential egg and the next month the right ovary will release a potential egg.

http://www.drstandley.com/bodysystems_femalerepro.shtml

If I had the power to sterilize all human female eggs and thus in 100 years clear the planet of humans I would give it careful consideration.

I suspect that within the next 200 years we humans will most likely bring an end to our species and possibly the end to all life on this planet.

I think that the only way to prevent this is for our species to become much more intellectually sophisticated than it is now; I see little evidence that this will occur. The problems we face today are enormous and while we have the brain power to prevent this we may well not have the necessary character traits to do so. I suspect our species is a dead end species.

Do you think that the human species might extinguish it self within a few centuries?

If you had the power to clear the planet of humans you would also have power to improve people, why not take that view?

Your thinking, though intellectual, is skewed somewhat. Mankind as we know it will eventually end, but not for the reasons you state. It will end because of an evolutionary process over many many centuries. Not because of Green House Gasses or saran rap and paper cups in the soil but because of man's in ability to adapt quickly enough to climate change.

coberst · Post by **coberst** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:46 pm

Lon;979818 wrote: If you had the power to clear the planet of humans you would also have power to improve people, why not take that view?

Your thinking, though intellectual, is skewed somewhat. Mankind as we know it will eventually end, but not for the reasons you state. It will end because of an evolutionary process over many many centuries. Not because of Green House Gasses or saran rap and paper cups in the soil but because of man's in ability to adapt quickly enough to climate change.

Trying to convince readers to become self-actualizing self-learners and thereby becoming sufficiently sophisticated to comprehend and to help solve our problems is the purpose of my Internet forum posting.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:43 pm

coberst;979950 wrote: Trying to convince readers to become self-actualizing self-learners and thereby becoming sufficiently sophisticated to comprehend and to help solve our problems is the purpose of my Internet forum posting.

I figured as much, but as you have no doubt discovered, what one has had for dinner and playing games takes priority over intellectual pursuits.

Some of the news groups (alt.) would better receive your message.

Devonin · Post by **Devonin** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:20 pm

I think his messages would be better recieved if he did a few things he doesn't do now:

1/ Stop massively posting the same threads across dozens of forums indiscriminantly. Once you hit some forums that share users (As he did with me) we see how he just posts everywhere as though he doesn't really care.

2/ Stop sounding so sanctimonious and superior. Actually saying 'I post to try and make people become "sufficiently sophisticated"' is incredibly insulting and demeaning to everyone who reads the posts.

3/ Actually respond to people when they post responses that aren't agreement or compliments. If you post some random text, and someone suggests an issue, and you never respond, they just form the opinion that you're preaching and don't actually care what other people think.

4/ Actually take part in the community you want to "educate" instead of just preaching to us. I've never seen you post in someone else's thread, and you positively drown the forums in so many threads that you even discourage others from making new threads. Ease off a little and actually get to know people.

Little U.S Dreamer · Post by **Little U.S Dreamer** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:51 pm

I can understand your argument but publicly denouncing someone is no way to get them to understand your side or care. Try a subtle PM and see how the person responds.

ABOUT THE ISSUE-

I don't think humans shouldn't exist... this planet will only last so long - life or no. It's predestined to one day die like all planets eventually do.

The only thing on this planet right now that has a chance is humans because we have amazing mental abilities that allow us to get around the whole 'travel in space' deal and other sciences.

Besides - whether you think it's good or bad - That's just part of the human perspective and limited by such. good and bad don't exist - just what is does.

This is something the human brain has yet to wrap itself around just yet.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:28 pm

If humans left the planet the lions would take over and pretty soon they would be wondering if they shoud committ mass suicide because they upset the balance. :rolleyes: We humans are the dominant ones and we shouldn't be ashamed of that. We do things that will one day limit our ability to sustain life for the number of humans that exist at that time. The balance will shift accordingly and it shouldn't be because we decided to reduce our own numbers.

I've never read where one of these intellectual giants who think we should reduce our population volunteered to be the first to leave the planet. They always seem to think it should be those who are less of a human than they are. I think that if the truth was known it would be that they want a smaller population with them remaining to share larger peices of the pie.

Little U.S Dreamer · Post by **Little U.S Dreamer** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:28 pm

But why let it get that far? People do horrible things when they get desperate... And what do you have at desperation's finger tip in today's time? Nukes, guns, bombs.

It may have been all natural before but it's a new world out there.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:09 pm

Little U.S Dreamer;992171 wrote: But why let it get that far? People do horrible things when they get desperate...

See what I mean? Those who would reduce human population don't see themselves as one of those terrible creatures (humans).

Little U.S Dreamer · Post by **Little U.S Dreamer** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:13 pm

...your confusing me. Humans are horrible because they wish to kill humans or humans THAT wish to kill humans are horrible?

raptures_music · Post by **raptures_music** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:55 am

That's a very interesting post.

Human beings, despite any claims of genetic diversity, are too inbred. Not long after humans evolved, some pandemic went through and wiped out our closest genetic cousins and all but a small handfull of humans. Every single human being is decended from that handful of individuals.

Inbreeding compromises genetics, which includes genetic predisposition to disease.

Add in all the pollutants we've put into the air, soil and water, the way we eat, how sanitary we've become...it's no small wonder that even though we're multiplying like rabbits, we're also making ourselves sicker and less able to combat disease. I don't think it will happen in a few centuries, but rather a few millenia.

There are three options to humanity: We'll either slowly kill ourselves as a species and die off before we kill the planet; we'll kill the planet before we figure out how to straighten up and fly right and die of starvation; or we'll find a way to live that ensures our survival without killing the planet and get off this rock before the sun fries us to a crisp when it morphs into its red giant stage. Or, the not-so-pleasant 4th option, we straighten up and continue on as normal and we'll be incinerated.

Kill myself because I know humans (and the planet) will eventually go the way of the do-do? Not a chance. None of this stuff is going to happen in my lifetime.

Devonin · Post by **Devonin** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:17 am

Once again, with no case existing whatsoever that there is an actual objective -purpose- to existance besides continued existance, there is no compelling reason to care about what happens to other species or the planet at all, if those pursuits end with us being able to continue existing whether here or elsewhere.

Using up the entirety of Earth's resources in a way that ends up with us moving out to a new planet that can sustain us is a perfectly acceptable ending for this planet.

Little U.S Dreamer · Post by **Little U.S Dreamer** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:37 pm

A planet that creates life that is able to evolve outside itself? That really sparks my interest on the whole ODDS scale with the universe...

But about the inbreeding - Isn't incest and inbreeding the only way NEW genetic codes come into being? It causes 'mutations' and those (whether good or bad) are still NEW code that you couldn't have gotten otherwise.

So even incest has it's purposes and uses when it comes to evolution and change. (whether morally accepted or not)

but of course TOO much of it can OVERLOAD an individual and cause them to have more problems instead of improvements or whatever term you would give that new genetic code.

I don't think it's the first generation of incest that gets anything good...it's further down the line, if any positive changes occur. Which is slim to none as it is.

ok - I keep getting a mind picture of a claw-handed man:-3...time to go to a new subject now.

Devonin · Post by **Devonin** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:14 pm

Isn't incest and inbreeding the only way NEW genetic codes come into being?Er...no. Incest and inbreeding close off genetic pathways, they don't create new ones. Infusions of fresh outside DNA are what expand the genetic base of a culture.

The sorts of mutations and problems that come up out of excessive inbreeding are pretty much universally bad. And evolution such as it is with regard to humans anymore, has always been primarily one of adaptation to environment, not spontaneous mutations magically being superior.

Little U.S Dreamer · Post by **Little U.S Dreamer** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:23 pm

http://http://64.233.169.104/search?q=c ... d=10&gl=us

OK - I get the fact that it's usually a BAD change - but it's still NEW code. Whether we want to admit it or not inbreeding has shaped us as humans - BECAUSE it was done so much throughout history. But it's completely true that it really only cause negative effects.

Usually hurts large populations by causing defects to be carried stronger - and diseases to be transferred easier in children.

But I think this is off topic... or not?

Devonin · Post by **Devonin** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:31 pm

Evolution via natural selection is how you tend to get new characteristics that are preferred and thus increase the liklihood of successful mating.

Given the bad things that creep into incestuous and inbred children over a generation or two, I'd generally think that they'd have a pretty heavy impact on the liklihood of such people passing their genetics along at all.

Have to have kids for any of those mutations to go anywhere.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure that natural human evolution has basically stopped, because we've long since stopped needing to adapt to our environment. We simply adapt it to suit us. Since we can make it be however we like it, we remove all environmental pressures on us, and have no reason to change at all.

Any future evolution for humanity is almost certainly going to have to be diliberate and likely through genetic manipulation.

Little U.S Dreamer · Post by **Little U.S Dreamer** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:32 pm

what about space? Doesn't being in space cause your bones to become denser? I don't know much on this subject to be sure- but people will continue to change...It's just a matter of when and where and what changes... whether you feel you don't need to evolve or not doesn't matter.... Today we all are losing our pinky toe. What does your panaceas do? It once helped humans consume RAW meat.

We change. Our moral, values, bodies will always change. COULD we take control of that change? Maybe. But how to know the future? You can't. (unless you have powers....then no fair...I want some too. :-4)

I think it's a little egoistical to say flat out what may or may not happen. I hope for the best. But I admit I don't plan for it.... now I'm rambling...back to class before I get yelled at...again....

:D:p

:guitarist

Devonin · Post by **Devonin** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:55 pm

Doesn't being in space cause your bones to become denser?

This is not evolution. This will not cause your future offspring to have denser bones, because that change is in no way genetic. It's possible that if you colonized a planet with lower gravity, people who adapted faster naturally to the environment would be likely to have more children and sooner, and such a trait could eventually become selected for, but that's not something that would happen at all soon.