How about Original American? or Aborigine American? We could shorten that to Double-A. :yh_bigsmiI like the way you think!
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Accountable;930161 wrote: I'm a native too.
How about Original American? or Aborigine American? We could shorten that to Double-A. :yh_bigsmiI like the way you think!
How about Original American? or Aborigine American? We could shorten that to Double-A. :yh_bigsmiI like the way you think!
Smoke signals ftw!
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Clint;930360 wrote: I hesitate to reply. This post is almost ancient history already.
I agree with much of what you say.
In all that is living there are those species that are dominant and those that end up giving way to the dominant ones. It works that way for a reason. If it wasn’t so, everything would devolve at a much more rapid rate. In all that is living there is one huge exception and that is mankind. We have the ability to look back on what we did and at least know we should have done better even if we don’t. We were looking at what had been done and trying to make it right when the treaties were made.
I’m proud of my country because we responded to what we saw we had done in a positive way. Maybe it isn’t enough but we didn’t ignore it. Many societies would have just destroyed the evidence and moved on. We didn’t.
I don't see why or how the words "We", or "Those" are incorporated into the choices of individual people...
The sooner people realize that "the government" consists of individual people the sooner wrongs associated with governmental affairs will be more easily changed as well as prevented...
This is like saying soldiers aren't to be condemned for fighting and murdering other human beings when they knew full well that the cause in which they were fighting for was wrong reminiscing on the idea that they're pardoned because they're "just doing their job"...Biggest load of BS to ever hit mankind...
I agree with much of what you say.
In all that is living there are those species that are dominant and those that end up giving way to the dominant ones. It works that way for a reason. If it wasn’t so, everything would devolve at a much more rapid rate. In all that is living there is one huge exception and that is mankind. We have the ability to look back on what we did and at least know we should have done better even if we don’t. We were looking at what had been done and trying to make it right when the treaties were made.
I’m proud of my country because we responded to what we saw we had done in a positive way. Maybe it isn’t enough but we didn’t ignore it. Many societies would have just destroyed the evidence and moved on. We didn’t.
I don't see why or how the words "We", or "Those" are incorporated into the choices of individual people...
The sooner people realize that "the government" consists of individual people the sooner wrongs associated with governmental affairs will be more easily changed as well as prevented...
This is like saying soldiers aren't to be condemned for fighting and murdering other human beings when they knew full well that the cause in which they were fighting for was wrong reminiscing on the idea that they're pardoned because they're "just doing their job"...Biggest load of BS to ever hit mankind...
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K.Snyder;930335 wrote: This holds true for those willing to admit that they are capable of doing exactly what the wrongs were from which those who committed those wrongs had done...
That's the entire argument...A very large part of America consists of people from which migrated here after the events that had taken place during the times of the first European settlements...Just because one happens to have the same color skin or the same size nose doesn't mean those people should be blamed for the wrongs that those to whom were wrong committed...What makes a child of today, or a child descendant of those who committed wrongs against the Native American people for that matter any different than a child from a Native American background?...Nothing...
The people who did the wrongs are the ones that should be held responsible...As for anyone else it's up to your morale standards and fortitude to ensure that "you're" a friendly and caring human being...
For Gods sake why are we killing people in Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan if Bin Laden and his crew are the ones responsible ?
If we forget were destined to repeat our history, good and bad.
Its a critical lesson K.
Youre completely missing the point here.
That's the entire argument...A very large part of America consists of people from which migrated here after the events that had taken place during the times of the first European settlements...Just because one happens to have the same color skin or the same size nose doesn't mean those people should be blamed for the wrongs that those to whom were wrong committed...What makes a child of today, or a child descendant of those who committed wrongs against the Native American people for that matter any different than a child from a Native American background?...Nothing...
The people who did the wrongs are the ones that should be held responsible...As for anyone else it's up to your morale standards and fortitude to ensure that "you're" a friendly and caring human being...
For Gods sake why are we killing people in Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan if Bin Laden and his crew are the ones responsible ?
If we forget were destined to repeat our history, good and bad.
Its a critical lesson K.
Youre completely missing the point here.
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No, the evidence remains, Clint. The government does keep records and most are available to look at. (although they can conveniently get lost for years....like yeah) I spent all day doing that in the Archives, I think it was one of the few times I was really quite surprised at how some things were handled. Iam returning Monday for another look, I did copy all the government's response today and started on the Native Americans claims. Off topic, but it was my day.....
KS has a point-things in the past are not the fault of thoe living now. It is what we do now that counts.
KS has a point-things in the past are not the fault of thoe living now. It is what we do now that counts.
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Nomad;930426 wrote: For Gods sake why are we killing people in Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan if Bin Laden and his crew are the ones responsible ?
If we forget were destined to repeat our history, good and bad.
Its a critical lesson K.
Youre completely missing the point here.
I don't believe I am...
I completely understand your sentiment but am just emphasizing on the importance of personal moral standards...Yes it's important to acknowledge the wrongs the people before us committed...But my emphases is that with individual integrity and fortitude it doesn't take acknowledgment to understand what's right and wrong...
Relatives of prior people of the government should have no baring on the mindsets of their future predecessors when talking of social issues...Social issues begin with personal morale obligations...It may help to look back and see the mistakes of "your" government leaders associated with social issues but only in terms of why they've become the issues that they've grown into as opposed to how to correct them...The subsidies pertaining to social issues starts with individuals, not precursors...
If we forget were destined to repeat our history, good and bad.
Its a critical lesson K.
Youre completely missing the point here.
I don't believe I am...
I completely understand your sentiment but am just emphasizing on the importance of personal moral standards...Yes it's important to acknowledge the wrongs the people before us committed...But my emphases is that with individual integrity and fortitude it doesn't take acknowledgment to understand what's right and wrong...
Relatives of prior people of the government should have no baring on the mindsets of their future predecessors when talking of social issues...Social issues begin with personal morale obligations...It may help to look back and see the mistakes of "your" government leaders associated with social issues but only in terms of why they've become the issues that they've grown into as opposed to how to correct them...The subsidies pertaining to social issues starts with individuals, not precursors...
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K.Snyder;930446 wrote: I don't believe I am...
I completely understand your sentiment but am just emphasizing on the importance of personal moral standards...Yes it's important to acknowledge the wrongs the people before us committed...But my emphases is that with individual integrity and fortitude it doesn't take acknowledgment to understand what's right and wrong...
Relatives of prior people of the government should have no baring on the mindsets of their future predecessors when talking of social issues...Social issues begin with personal morale obligations...It may help to look back and see the mistakes of "your" government leaders associated with social issues but only in terms of why they've become the issues that they've grown into as opposed to how to correct them...The subsidies pertaining to social issues starts with individuals, not precursors...
Its all connected. Its a tightly knit web and I believe what does perpetuate the horrors is ignorance and apathy of which we are in abundant supply. (Thats not directed at you K)
I completely understand your sentiment but am just emphasizing on the importance of personal moral standards...Yes it's important to acknowledge the wrongs the people before us committed...But my emphases is that with individual integrity and fortitude it doesn't take acknowledgment to understand what's right and wrong...
Relatives of prior people of the government should have no baring on the mindsets of their future predecessors when talking of social issues...Social issues begin with personal morale obligations...It may help to look back and see the mistakes of "your" government leaders associated with social issues but only in terms of why they've become the issues that they've grown into as opposed to how to correct them...The subsidies pertaining to social issues starts with individuals, not precursors...
Its all connected. Its a tightly knit web and I believe what does perpetuate the horrors is ignorance and apathy of which we are in abundant supply. (Thats not directed at you K)
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Nomad;930498 wrote: Its all connected. Its a tightly knit web and I believe what does perpetuate the horrors is ignorance and apathy of which we are in abundant supply. (Thats not directed at you K)
Absolutely it is all connected...
The sooner people realize that the overwhelming majority of negative social issues(Not the case in Hitlers' desire to instigate the holocaust - but hopefully we never see that again) is the primary result of unethical and immoral business practices...
If it were a profitable business to help others the world would be a much better place...
But it starts with moral standards or the lack there of associated with business...
And yes it was a business decision to travel to the "New World"...And ultimately it was a business decision that instigated alot of the fighting between the settlers, their government and the Native Americans...
It's up for others in deciding which instances were right and which instances were wrong...
I personally believe, based on my own estimations as to the populations of the Native American peoples that I find there to have been no concern as to the ability of both peoples to live together in North America harmoniously so long as there were a greater bases of diplomatic affairs...
Let's face it, the diplomacy between the settlers, their government and the Native Americans were appalling...
Absolutely it is all connected...
The sooner people realize that the overwhelming majority of negative social issues(Not the case in Hitlers' desire to instigate the holocaust - but hopefully we never see that again) is the primary result of unethical and immoral business practices...
If it were a profitable business to help others the world would be a much better place...
But it starts with moral standards or the lack there of associated with business...
And yes it was a business decision to travel to the "New World"...And ultimately it was a business decision that instigated alot of the fighting between the settlers, their government and the Native Americans...
It's up for others in deciding which instances were right and which instances were wrong...
I personally believe, based on my own estimations as to the populations of the Native American peoples that I find there to have been no concern as to the ability of both peoples to live together in North America harmoniously so long as there were a greater bases of diplomatic affairs...
Let's face it, the diplomacy between the settlers, their government and the Native Americans were appalling...
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chonsigirl;930432 wrote: No, the evidence remains, Clint. The government does keep records and most are available to look at. (although they can conveniently get lost for years....like yeah) I spent all day doing that in the Archives, I think it was one of the few times I was really quite surprised at how some things were handled. Iam returning Monday for another look, I did copy all the government's response today and started on the Native Americans claims. Off topic, but it was my day.....
KS has a point-things in the past are not the fault of thoe living now. It is what we do now that counts.
I think you misundersood me. I said we didn't destroy the evidence. I said many others would destroy the evidence including the survivors and move on. We didn't. When it was clear we could wipe them out we stopped and entered into treaties with them. Maybe the treaties weren't all they could have been for the Natives but they were more than nearly any other society would have given when posessing the upper hand.
KS has a point-things in the past are not the fault of thoe living now. It is what we do now that counts.
I think you misundersood me. I said we didn't destroy the evidence. I said many others would destroy the evidence including the survivors and move on. We didn't. When it was clear we could wipe them out we stopped and entered into treaties with them. Maybe the treaties weren't all they could have been for the Natives but they were more than nearly any other society would have given when posessing the upper hand.
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YZGI;929932 wrote: The Indians had it. We took it. Now no one knows exactly what to do about it or how to feel.
Admit (officially) that mistakes were made and that the conduct of the settlers left a lot to be desired and that you, as the descendants of those settlers, regret that it was so - then move on.
Admit (officially) that mistakes were made and that the conduct of the settlers left a lot to be desired and that you, as the descendants of those settlers, regret that it was so - then move on.
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Bryn Mawr;933545 wrote: Admit (officially) that mistakes were made and that the conduct of the settlers left a lot to be desired and that you, as the descendants of those settlers, regret that it was so - then move on.
It would be the descent thing to do out of retrospect to humanity...But the fact of the matter is is that a very large majority of people within the United States of America(Keeping in mind such acts are not limited to only America - Spain and their Spanish Conquistadors) are not descendants of those peoples to whom committed those wrongs...
Where's the line being drawn?...
Why should those to whom are not descendants of those peoples to whom committed the wrongs against the Native Americans be held responsible for their admittance into anything?...
To me it would be far more pragmatic for everyone to admit that there were wrongs having been imposed upon other human beings without the need for any further blame...Including any group of people who feel it's right to label someone blameworthy simply because they resemble the likes of those to whom wronged their peoples to begin with let alone themselves...
It would be the descent thing to do out of retrospect to humanity...But the fact of the matter is is that a very large majority of people within the United States of America(Keeping in mind such acts are not limited to only America - Spain and their Spanish Conquistadors) are not descendants of those peoples to whom committed those wrongs...
Where's the line being drawn?...
Why should those to whom are not descendants of those peoples to whom committed the wrongs against the Native Americans be held responsible for their admittance into anything?...
To me it would be far more pragmatic for everyone to admit that there were wrongs having been imposed upon other human beings without the need for any further blame...Including any group of people who feel it's right to label someone blameworthy simply because they resemble the likes of those to whom wronged their peoples to begin with let alone themselves...
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K.Snyder;933569 wrote: It would be the descent thing to do out of retrospect to humanity...But the fact of the matter is is that a very large majority of people within the United States of America(Keeping in mind such acts are not limited to only America - Spain and their Spanish Conquistadors) are not descendants of those peoples to whom committed those wrongs...
Where's the line being drawn?...
Why should those to whom are not descendants of those peoples to whom committed the wrongs against the Native Americans be held responsible for their admittance into anything?...
To me it would be far more pragmatic for everyone to admit that there were wrongs having been imposed upon other human beings without the need for any further blame...Including any group of people who feel it's right to label someone blameworthy simply because they resemble the likes of those to whom wronged their peoples to begin with let alone themselves...
OK descendants was the wrong word - try successors?
All non-native Americans (in my day, to be polite, we would have called them Amerindians but those not of stock resident in the Americas BCE) are beneficiaries of the broken treaties and injustices of the last five hundred years. The current government is the direct successor of the government that committed many of the offences and they, although not personally responsible, should issue a statement of regret to those wronged, on behalf of the wrongdoers and of the beneficiaries.
It is not too much to ask - the Australian government did it and gained a lot of kudos from doing so as well as healing a lot of wounds. I believe that the US government and the people of the US would gain a similar benefit.
Where's the line being drawn?...
Why should those to whom are not descendants of those peoples to whom committed the wrongs against the Native Americans be held responsible for their admittance into anything?...
To me it would be far more pragmatic for everyone to admit that there were wrongs having been imposed upon other human beings without the need for any further blame...Including any group of people who feel it's right to label someone blameworthy simply because they resemble the likes of those to whom wronged their peoples to begin with let alone themselves...
OK descendants was the wrong word - try successors?
All non-native Americans (in my day, to be polite, we would have called them Amerindians but those not of stock resident in the Americas BCE) are beneficiaries of the broken treaties and injustices of the last five hundred years. The current government is the direct successor of the government that committed many of the offences and they, although not personally responsible, should issue a statement of regret to those wronged, on behalf of the wrongdoers and of the beneficiaries.
It is not too much to ask - the Australian government did it and gained a lot of kudos from doing so as well as healing a lot of wounds. I believe that the US government and the people of the US would gain a similar benefit.
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Bryn Mawr;933673 wrote: OK descendants was the wrong word - try successors?
All non-native Americans (in my day, to be polite, we would have called them Amerindians but those not of stock resident in the Americas BCE) are beneficiaries of the broken treaties and injustices of the last five hundred years. The current government is the direct successor of the government that committed many of the offences and they, although not personally responsible, should issue a statement of regret to those wronged, on behalf of the wrongdoers and of the beneficiaries.
It is not too much to ask - the Australian government did it and gained a lot of kudos from doing so as well as healing a lot of wounds. I believe that the US government and the people of the US would gain a similar benefit.
Absolutely...I can comply with your sentiment on behalf of the government at the time, although I do feel that governments do change and without implying as to anyones innocence I feel that governments can change very prudently...Obviously the other side to that is that governments can change to be contrary to this...
For the sake of humanity I would say that it would show a great deal of humility if the U.S. did openly admit there were wrong doings constituted by those who swore to represent the government of the United States of America...
I don't feel apologizing on behalf of those of us who would have shown Native Americans empathy and would have been all but fair to any peoples regardless of creed wouldn't serve our integrity with justice...And our integrity should never be expected to be sacrificed simply to please...
All non-native Americans (in my day, to be polite, we would have called them Amerindians but those not of stock resident in the Americas BCE) are beneficiaries of the broken treaties and injustices of the last five hundred years. The current government is the direct successor of the government that committed many of the offences and they, although not personally responsible, should issue a statement of regret to those wronged, on behalf of the wrongdoers and of the beneficiaries.
It is not too much to ask - the Australian government did it and gained a lot of kudos from doing so as well as healing a lot of wounds. I believe that the US government and the people of the US would gain a similar benefit.
Absolutely...I can comply with your sentiment on behalf of the government at the time, although I do feel that governments do change and without implying as to anyones innocence I feel that governments can change very prudently...Obviously the other side to that is that governments can change to be contrary to this...
For the sake of humanity I would say that it would show a great deal of humility if the U.S. did openly admit there were wrong doings constituted by those who swore to represent the government of the United States of America...
I don't feel apologizing on behalf of those of us who would have shown Native Americans empathy and would have been all but fair to any peoples regardless of creed wouldn't serve our integrity with justice...And our integrity should never be expected to be sacrificed simply to please...