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My general take on the American gun debate, is its a debate for Americans about their own country between themselves. Obviously coming from Europe we have an entirely different attitude to handguns, as to a lot of things, vive le difference and all that, I'm just commenting on what I see as a crazy idea. And of course it may be American's god given right to have guns, but its also my god given right to make fun of that belief, we do live in free countries and its not like we're talking about Islam here, heh. :-6 :rolleyes:
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Galbally;872911 wrote: So are you saying that a hand gun is designed to open jam jars? Ot tie a slip knot? What's warped about pointing out what the function of a handgun is? Its a weapon, for use on people. Would you dispute that? What other useful practical purpose other than shooting at someone, either to attack them, or in response to an attack, is a handgun any use for? I can't see why you would think otherwise, unless of course you treat it like some quasi-religious symbol of "freedom". 
Now that right there is a funny line..:wah:
Can anyone imagine The Outlaw Josey Wales with out a pistol. Now you see my point.:wah:
Now that right there is a funny line..:wah:
Can anyone imagine The Outlaw Josey Wales with out a pistol. Now you see my point.:wah:
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hoppy;872913 wrote: First, there IS such a sport as handgun hunting. Done it myself, often. There ARE target matches FOR handguns. Olympic matches too yet.
I realize a knife is not a gun but the thinking behind saying a handgun is only for killing people is the same as saying a knife is only for stabbing people.
Oh come off it, guns were not invented to fire at little round targets, they are ballistic weapons. Knives originate from the early tools, which also made very effective weapons and were probably invented with both uses in mind, but they have a lot uses, such as cutting things other than people, I can't believe we have to explain this, what a load of nonsense.
I realize a knife is not a gun but the thinking behind saying a handgun is only for killing people is the same as saying a knife is only for stabbing people.
Oh come off it, guns were not invented to fire at little round targets, they are ballistic weapons. Knives originate from the early tools, which also made very effective weapons and were probably invented with both uses in mind, but they have a lot uses, such as cutting things other than people, I can't believe we have to explain this, what a load of nonsense.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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I suppose I could shoot a hole in my " fillet migone" and eat it. :-5 Guns were designed to kill people and animals. You can go to target practice shoot cans and outlines of humans just to get better at the end result killing something.
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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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Galbally;872919 wrote: Oh come off it, guns were not invented to fire at little round targets, they are ballistic weapons. Knives originate from the early tools, which also made very effective weapons and were probably invented with both uses in mind, but they have a lot uses, such as cutting things other than people, I can't believe we have to explain this, what a load of nonsense.
You are the one talking nonsense. If you research firearms you might find they were originally used as noisemakers, like fireworks, by the Chinese. Until someone put a stone on the barrel of one. Knives were probably invented as tools too, until someone found they penerate flesh just fine. It's in the books, look it up.
You are the one talking nonsense. If you research firearms you might find they were originally used as noisemakers, like fireworks, by the Chinese. Until someone put a stone on the barrel of one. Knives were probably invented as tools too, until someone found they penerate flesh just fine. It's in the books, look it up.
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YZGI;872916 wrote: Now that right there is a funny line..:wah:
Can anyone imagine The Outlaw Josey Wales with out a pistol. Now you see my point.:wah:
And that my friend is probably why ye lot have the strange hang ups about guns that ye do. For the person with their hand on the grip, its a item of power and freedom, (or at least that's how the movies go) not quite the same for the person in the sights, or their family. If only good people would use them, everything would be alright, of course the problem is that the people most likely to want them and use them, are the last people that should have them.
Can anyone imagine The Outlaw Josey Wales with out a pistol. Now you see my point.:wah:
And that my friend is probably why ye lot have the strange hang ups about guns that ye do. For the person with their hand on the grip, its a item of power and freedom, (or at least that's how the movies go) not quite the same for the person in the sights, or their family. If only good people would use them, everything would be alright, of course the problem is that the people most likely to want them and use them, are the last people that should have them.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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your not right - don't try to make yourself right - don't justify your belief onto me.
I don't agree with the dealership promoting guns - weapons of any kind.
I find this controversal giveaway distasteful.
I wouldn't enter the dealership - I'll spend my money elsewhere.
Patsy
your not right - don't try to make yourself right - don't justify your belief onto me.
I don't agree with the dealership promoting guns - weapons of any kind.
I find this controversal giveaway distasteful.
I wouldn't enter the dealership - I'll spend my money elsewhere.
Patsy
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Galbally;872914 wrote: My general take on the American gun debate, is its a debate for Americans about their own country between themselves. Obviously coming from Europe we have an entirely different attitude to handguns, as to a lot of things, vive le difference and all that, I'm just commenting on what I see as a crazy idea. And of course it may be American's god given right to have guns, but its also my god given right to make fun of that belief, we do live in free countries and its not like we're talking about Islam here, heh. :-6 :rolleyes:
Of course its your right, glad we can amuse you. It's kinda like golfers, Some people love to golf , others thinks its crazy to see how far you can hit a little ball then chase it down in hopes of finding it, then hitting it again and again until you put it in a little hole. Then you do it all over again.
Of course its your right, glad we can amuse you. It's kinda like golfers, Some people love to golf , others thinks its crazy to see how far you can hit a little ball then chase it down in hopes of finding it, then hitting it again and again until you put it in a little hole. Then you do it all over again.
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hoppy;872923 wrote: You are the one talking nonsense. If you research firearms you might find they were originally used as noisemakers, like fireworks, by the Chinese. Until someone put a stone on the barrel of one. Knives were probably invented as tools too, until someone found they penerate flesh just fine. It's in the books, look it up.
You are essentially talking about Chinese fireworks in wooden barrels, I am talking about handguns, the first European handguns, (basically scaled down versions of the arqebuses that were developed during the wars of the Northern Italian states), late middle ages. Please don't try to patronize me, you won't come out of it well I assure you. If you don't understand what the basic definition of a weapon is, then thats your issue, not mine.
You are essentially talking about Chinese fireworks in wooden barrels, I am talking about handguns, the first European handguns, (basically scaled down versions of the arqebuses that were developed during the wars of the Northern Italian states), late middle ages. Please don't try to patronize me, you won't come out of it well I assure you. If you don't understand what the basic definition of a weapon is, then thats your issue, not mine.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Jester;872920 wrote: I spent 20 years in the army, Ive been in numorous firefights, where gunfire was exchanged, in my 42 years of life Ive fired thousands and thousands more rounds at targets than at people.
Yes Jester, but did they design the gun with the purpose of firing it at targets in training, or removing opponents from the battlefield in war? You are hairsplitting.
Yes Jester, but did they design the gun with the purpose of firing it at targets in training, or removing opponents from the battlefield in war? You are hairsplitting.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Jester;872929 wrote: Gal seriously I view firearms as tools, no different than a shovel (spade), or a hammer, or even a table saw.
It gets a job done, in the case of a weapon like a gun it is for protection/defense and in a last resort has offensive capabilites. To me the gun is not a symbol of freedom, the indomitable spirit of a soldier is though, it happens that the gun goes with the soldier, but really the soldeir is the weapon not the tool he uses.
Im not splitting hairs either, although I could with my Colt at 300 paces.
Sure, but you tend to find that the army with the ability to concentrate more accurate firepower in a given area, will normally beat the one with the higher morale but fewer bullets, longer supply lines, and less effective weapons.
It gets a job done, in the case of a weapon like a gun it is for protection/defense and in a last resort has offensive capabilites. To me the gun is not a symbol of freedom, the indomitable spirit of a soldier is though, it happens that the gun goes with the soldier, but really the soldeir is the weapon not the tool he uses.
Im not splitting hairs either, although I could with my Colt at 300 paces.
Sure, but you tend to find that the army with the ability to concentrate more accurate firepower in a given area, will normally beat the one with the higher morale but fewer bullets, longer supply lines, and less effective weapons.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;872928 wrote: You are essentially talking about Chinese fireworks in wooden barrels, I am talking about handguns, the first European handguns, (basically scaled down versions of the arqebuses that were developed during the wars of the Northern Italian states), late middle ages. Please don't try to patronize me, you won't come out of it well I assure you. If you don't understand what the basic definition of a weapon is, then thats your issue, not mine.
Gal, you are not the last word on firearms OR weapons. The prison system taught me that a man with a certain kind of mind will NEVER be unarmed. And, examples of Chinese "hand cannons" exist. They were metal, matchlock weapons. Fired stones, or anything that fit the bore. Deadly enough at close range.
Gal, you are not the last word on firearms OR weapons. The prison system taught me that a man with a certain kind of mind will NEVER be unarmed. And, examples of Chinese "hand cannons" exist. They were metal, matchlock weapons. Fired stones, or anything that fit the bore. Deadly enough at close range.
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hoppy;872934 wrote: Gal, you are not the last word on firearms OR weapons. The prison system taught me that a man with a certain kind of mind will NEVER be unarmed. And, examples of Chinese "hand cannons" exist. They were metal, matchlock weapons. Fired stones, or anything that fit the bore. Deadly enough at close range.
I am certainly not the last word on anything (well except myself), however, in terms of the semantics of what a gun is, I am sticking to me, well, to my guns. And yes, its people who make the world a bad place. Its like Nuclear weapons, its the human decision to develop them, design them, stockpile them, threaten each other with them, and ultimately launch them that can be argued is the true "reason" for the destruction that they bring, but it hardly changes the physical reality of the outcome.
I think about weapons like an engineer or a scientist, because that's what I am, but I still have a human response to the reality of the violence that a weapon actually represents.
I am certainly not the last word on anything (well except myself), however, in terms of the semantics of what a gun is, I am sticking to me, well, to my guns. And yes, its people who make the world a bad place. Its like Nuclear weapons, its the human decision to develop them, design them, stockpile them, threaten each other with them, and ultimately launch them that can be argued is the true "reason" for the destruction that they bring, but it hardly changes the physical reality of the outcome.
I think about weapons like an engineer or a scientist, because that's what I am, but I still have a human response to the reality of the violence that a weapon actually represents.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Jester;872936 wrote: hehehe- hairsplitting... pretty funny, I just mentioned that.:wah:
Tool use, designed for many things, I will never deny the primary use of a weapon like the gun is killing.
Trianing with it for killing is not what I meant by target pracitce though... I have spent many many rounds simply perfecting my aim with various weapons, not so much for killing since my first 17 years was simply practice for being the best I could possibly be in my region in target practice... shooting 9 inch pie tins with a revolver, at county fairs.
Gal I respect you greatly but you just don thave the whole view of what guns are like here, your locked into a mindset that they are souly desinged for killing in war, and although Id say that is the primary event that the gun is used for througout the world its not the only reason.
Some of us thoroughyl enjoy just shooting targets...
But sure I have shot them myself, I live in the countryside in Ireland, we have guns you know, just not hand guns or assault rifles. My uncles were officers in the army, as are many ancestors going back, and I am not a stranger to these things. We have a very practical view of guns as well, and in general the attitude is that they are extremely dangerous and not for general use. My other uncle was shot dead in a hunting accident in 1993, but it was just an accident, I don't blame the gun for it. I certainly don't have the final view on wepaons, I am just giving my honest reaction to the story, and you know I always do try to respect others views, though I do make fun of them from time to time. :-6
Tool use, designed for many things, I will never deny the primary use of a weapon like the gun is killing.
Trianing with it for killing is not what I meant by target pracitce though... I have spent many many rounds simply perfecting my aim with various weapons, not so much for killing since my first 17 years was simply practice for being the best I could possibly be in my region in target practice... shooting 9 inch pie tins with a revolver, at county fairs.
Gal I respect you greatly but you just don thave the whole view of what guns are like here, your locked into a mindset that they are souly desinged for killing in war, and although Id say that is the primary event that the gun is used for througout the world its not the only reason.
Some of us thoroughyl enjoy just shooting targets...
But sure I have shot them myself, I live in the countryside in Ireland, we have guns you know, just not hand guns or assault rifles. My uncles were officers in the army, as are many ancestors going back, and I am not a stranger to these things. We have a very practical view of guns as well, and in general the attitude is that they are extremely dangerous and not for general use. My other uncle was shot dead in a hunting accident in 1993, but it was just an accident, I don't blame the gun for it. I certainly don't have the final view on wepaons, I am just giving my honest reaction to the story, and you know I always do try to respect others views, though I do make fun of them from time to time. :-6
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Jester;872941 wrote: You never been around an american soldier...
And you ain't never been to Belfast.
And you ain't never been to Belfast.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Jester;872943 wrote: A bit of respectful fun at times is a great joy! 
Im very sorry to hear about your uncle, may he rest in peace.
Aye, it was tragic, the poor auld sod, in the stomach as well.
Im very sorry to hear about your uncle, may he rest in peace.
Aye, it was tragic, the poor auld sod, in the stomach as well.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Yeah the gun thing is just in bad taste all around.
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Wow - we've been all over the map in this thread
Gun haters - one who wouldn't ever own a gun nor be around one.
Gun lovers - one who owns several & display them, used mainly for sport
but available for protection.
Law Huggers - one who stands firmly & protects the 2nd ammendent & feel
the 2nd ammendent doesn't & won't need to be altered.
NRA supporters. comfortable around guns & may own some.
Rambo - a force to be reakoned with. wear them proudly
one may have a few Brain Cells.?
We're all distinctly different .
Dealerships in LA - Seattle, etc. wouldn't be allowed Guns as a incentive.
Jester's right - Type of maketing strategy for the folks in that area. Missouri - OZARKS, you'd have to know the area, so I looked up this little town in MO.
Very Rural - isolated area . Nearest City 50 miles away.
The dealership made a inviting offer.
rj - How is this marketing insulting to Gun Owners.? I don't get that ??
Folks in this area all have guns - grew up with them - survive with them
Several Rambos in this area - that doesn't mean they have Brain Cells - or
they don't share alot of similar cells amongst eachother.
I have nothing to do with guns - refuse to be around a gun & feel strongly about gun issues.
This has been a interesting conversation & several here made me analyze views.
Thank You
Patsy
Gun haters - one who wouldn't ever own a gun nor be around one.
Gun lovers - one who owns several & display them, used mainly for sport
but available for protection.
Law Huggers - one who stands firmly & protects the 2nd ammendent & feel
the 2nd ammendent doesn't & won't need to be altered.
NRA supporters. comfortable around guns & may own some.
Rambo - a force to be reakoned with. wear them proudly
one may have a few Brain Cells.?
We're all distinctly different .
Dealerships in LA - Seattle, etc. wouldn't be allowed Guns as a incentive.
Jester's right - Type of maketing strategy for the folks in that area. Missouri - OZARKS, you'd have to know the area, so I looked up this little town in MO.
Very Rural - isolated area . Nearest City 50 miles away.
The dealership made a inviting offer.
rj - How is this marketing insulting to Gun Owners.? I don't get that ??
Folks in this area all have guns - grew up with them - survive with them
Several Rambos in this area - that doesn't mean they have Brain Cells - or
they don't share alot of similar cells amongst eachother.
I have nothing to do with guns - refuse to be around a gun & feel strongly about gun issues.
This has been a interesting conversation & several here made me analyze views.
Thank You
Patsy
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You need another category, Patsy, for the whimsical.
You need another category, Patsy, for the whimsical.
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