Not In Their Names

[koan]

September 11th Families For Peaceful Tomorrows Statement On The Iraq War





September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows condemns unconditionally the illegal, immoral, and unjustified US-led military action in Iraq. As family members of September 11th victims, we know how it feels to experience "shock and awe," and we do not want other innocent families to suffer the trauma and grief that we have endured. While we also condemn the brutality of Saddam Hussein's regime, it does not justify the brutality, death and destruction being visited upon Iraq and its citizens by our own government.



What others may view as a policy decision, we see clearly as the murder of innocent people. Death among the civilian population in Iraq will be immediate: the result of bombing that kills indiscriminately. Especially at risk are the children who make up 50% of Iraq's population. Death will also come later, from malnutrition and disease caused by the interruption of vital relief services and the destruction of infrastructure for supplying food and medicine. More deaths will occur years from now, as a result of the horrendous environmental impacts of waging war using lethal contaminants such as depleted uranium, a substance banned by the European Union.



We are also concerned about this war's consequences for America's military personnel, brave women and men who enlisted to defend our country, only to find themselves sent to fight an unjust war of aggression. Our prayers are with them and their families, and our hopes are that they will return soon.



This war will not make America safer. On the contrary, it has already resulted in heightened anti-American sentiment around the world, and is likely to promote further terrorist attacks, not just today, but years from today. It will not protect American families from another September 11th

[Jives]

Yet another ambiguous, political propaganda post from Koan, with no opinion of hers attached.

So come on Koan, what do you suggest we do about terrorism? Just bury our heads in the sand and hope they forget about us? That didn't work at Pearl harbor or the Twin Towers!

I know, how about abandoning our friends the Israelis! After all, just because they were massacred in WWII, doesn't mean we have to be their friends forever. Let's sacrifice them to the Arabs. Better yet, we can get goodwill by nuking them ourselves.

Or how about just bribing the terrorist countries like North Korea and Iran. If we give them enough money, they'll undoubtedly decide that they were all wrong about us and start flying our flag from their houses instead of burning it, right?

It's all our fault anyway, right Koan? Just because we built up a great technological country from scratch, that doesn't mean we deserve it, right? Let's give away everything we've worked for and just raise sheep and rice.

Now here's where I expect Koan to do one of two things;

1. She will say, "I don't have any answers / opinions." Where I'll reply, "Really, then why are you posting politically charged propaganda, just to rile everyone up?

2. She will say, "You're putting words in my mouth, I never said that." To which I'll reply, "Yeah that's right, you haven't said ANYTHING yourself! If you don't want people interpreting your articles, then give us your opinion or be quiet!"

[koan]

Your expectations and assumptions of me are weak and miscalculated, Jives.

When I post my opinion on the war (which I have many times) I am told that I'm in the minority. Now I post opinions of the many others who feel the same way and I am told I have no personal opinion?

6 out of 10 Americans currently polled do not support the war in Iraq.

The biggest propaganda schemes I've seen so far is the use of 9/11 and al Qaeda connections to dupe people into supporting the war for the wrong reasons and the suppression of dissent.

What do you want to hear? My singular opinion or the opinions of the rest of the growing percentage of people who agree? Make up your mind. Maybe you don't want to hear any of it. That is your right...as I think is being established on another thread.

I do, however, have the right to speak. 6 out of 10 Americans agree with me. That you are not one of them does not mean they are wrong. It also does not mean you are wrong. I do recall America being founded on the principle of democracy though. I shall go on the search to find all proof of suppression of dissent that is occuring so you can realize it is a phenomenon and make a decision if you want to join in support of oppression.

[Jives]

koan wrote: When I post my opinion on the war (which I have many times) I am told that I'm in the minority.


So? Does that mean you are afraid to post them?

Now I post opinions of the many others who feel the same way and I am told I have no personal opinion?


I didn't say you didn't HAVE an opinion, Koan. I said you didn't STATE one! And you didn't!:D

6 out of 10 Americans currently polled do not support the war in Iraq.


Hmmm...that's not your opinion, that's some kind of statistic without any source!

The biggest propaganda schemes I've seen so far is the use of 9/11 and al Qaeda connections to dupe people into supporting the war for the wrong reasons and the suppression of dissent.


Really? The biggest propaganda schemes I've seen are the vicious propaganda taught to Muslim youths by murderous Radical Imams!

What do you want to hear?


Didn't I just tell you? I want YOUR opinion, Koan. Not statistics, not articles, just YOU!

Maybe you don't want to hear any of it. That is your right...as I think is being established on another thread.


No I do want to hear it, is this it? No...this is some kind of sidestep.

I do, however, have the right to speak.


SO GET ON WITH IT ALREADY! Sheesh!

6 out of 10 Americans agree with me.


WAIT! HOLD THE PRESSES! I think I just spotted a glimmer of an opinion!!!!! Let's go over that again...Koan posts that "6 out of 10 Americans don't support the war", then later she says, "6 out of 10 people agree with me." Could these two facts somehow be related?! Is Koan trying to OBLIQUELY say that she doesn't support the war??!! Gentlemen! I think, if we stretch far enough, we can officially call this an opinion!

I shall go on the search to find all proof of suppression of dissent.


ROFLMAO! (jives wipes a tear from his eye) Yeah, Koan, you do that. You go out and search other people's writings for some more their opinions, statistics, and articles.

One thing, though...let me know if you ever find a passionate opinion of your own out there. :wah:

[Accountable]

I'd be interested to know how many of the September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows members are family members of the WTO tower attack victims. I couldn't find any information on their website. I did find this, though:

If your group is interested in hosting a Peaceful Tomorrows speaker, there are a few things to consider first. Our organization does not have funding to provide travel and related expenses for our speakers. If a speaker must travel a long distance to an event, it is necessary for related costs (travel, lodging, food) to be covered by the hosting organization or organizations. Also, we appreciate a donation or honorarium for each speaking event. If that is not possible, we look forward to an opportunity to fundraise or “pass the hat.” Our group relies on contributions to continue our work.
:yh_money Non-profit just means you get to spend all the money.

[BabyRider]

6 out of 10 Americans currently polled do not support the war in Iraq.


What poll? Taken by whom? What "target group"?

Yada. Yada. Yada.

"42% of all statistics are made up." -- Steven Wright

*yawn*