Sorry a Morbid Question

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:28 pm

If you thought you were sick ... like beyond treatment ... would you want to know? Like go to the doctors or not? Sorry for morbid Friday night question ... I was just wondering what peoples thoughts would be on this? :-6

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:30 pm

I wouldn't want to know, unless for some reason I hurt alot. Otherwise, let me live until I die. Sometimes, ignorance is bliss.

Post by **spot** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:32 pm

How would you know if you didn't go to a doctor to be tested? If you merely suspected, which is what you asked, and decided not to find out then that's a very different matter.

Unless you're a doctor, of course, in which case you'd have a fair idea.

There are lots of good reasons for refusing treatment, I'd have thought. There's pretty good reasons to refuse to go near a hospital, hospitals kill people. If we're talking about treatment from a general practice instead of a hospital then again, there's reasons to refuse to go onto long-term medication. I'd have a lot of respect for someone refusing treatment.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:39 pm

Having watched my Mum die, I sometimes question how far doctors should go. Sometimes its almost a challenge to them, and they forget they dealing with people and their feelings. They forget to let go. I realise science has advanced and is now saving people that maybe would not have saved in the past .... but sometimes science needs to realise they are dealing with people who have feelings and feel pain ... its not just a piece of an 'experiment'. The pleasure of saying 'I made them last 2 more days'

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:40 pm

spot;855053 wrote: How would you know if you didn't go to a doctor to be tested? If you merely suspected, which is what you asked, and decided not to find out then that's a very different matter.

Unless you're a doctor, of course, in which case you'd have a fair idea.

There are lots of good reasons for refusing treatment, I'd have thought. There's pretty good reasons to refuse to go near a hospital, hospitals kill people. If we're talking about treatment from a general practice instead of a hospital then again, there's reasons to refuse to go onto long-term medication. I'd have a lot of respect for someone refusing treatment.

Then you become their experiment.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:44 pm

Oh Pheasy............this is so hard for me..........as my friends know Im not a Doctor person......it killed my mother in the end as she wasnt and left things to late.She passed this fear onto me.Im not proud of it but I cant help it.Theres alot going on right now and I know I should get a few things checked out but the truth is I cant.I cant even talk about it and again Im not proud of myself.If I found a lump in my breast i dont know what I would do .......other women problems if the truth has to be told.........I doubt it.God this is hard.None of us know how long we have on this earth and do we really want to know.I know I believe in whatever will be will be and having seen people going through hell trying to get sorted and not to survive I guess I would want as little pain as possible and maybe just suffer at the end,I know I will get frowned upon but we are all different and nobody can judge how we feel on certain matters if they havent walked in your shoes.Of course a level headed person would want things checked out but who said I was one..........not me.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:56 pm

chonsigirl;855052 wrote: I wouldn't want to know, unless for some reason I hurt alot. Otherwise, let me live until I die. Sometimes, ignorance is bliss.I agree totally love.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Fri May 02, 2008 5:19 pm

Pheasy

Dr's. experiment of course, that's why DR's. call it practicing medicine..

I know alot of people (females) who haven't ever had a Mammogram.

Some say they don't want to know - they're 54 yrs old, never had one..?

I'm checked on a regular basis - would I have Treatment such a Chemo ?? I don't know, I 've watched my husband go thru Chemo & Radiation, I don't know if I could go thru it. I'm very proud of him.

Your Brave to take the treatment & respected if you chose not to.

Individual choice

Patsy

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Fri May 02, 2008 5:29 pm

Patsy Warnick;855085 wrote: Pheasy

Dr's. experiment of course, that's why DR's. call it practicing medicine..

I know alot of people (females) who haven't ever had a Mammogram.

Some say they don't want to know - they're 54 yrs old, never had one..?

I'm checked on a regular basis - would I have Treatment such a Chemo ?? I don't know, I 've watched my husband go thru Chemo & Radiation, I don't know if I could go thru it. I'm very proud of him.

Your Brave to take the treatment & respected if you chose not to.

Individual choice

Patsy

Thank you Patsy, it is a very confusing and emotional subject, thank you for sharing your feelings. Like you said it is, hopefully, your choice. :-4

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:22 pm

Pheasy

Any particular reason for this Question ?

Are you OK - anything you'd like to share ?

Patsy

watermark · Post by **watermark** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:39 pm

Yes I would want to know this. For me I couldn't stand for someone to know something about myself (like doctors) when I didn't. It's my body and being here! I think dying is a long process and if one has a terminal illness then coming to terms with it is a long process so knowing would help with this aspect. Either that or I'd just like to be killed instantly. That's kind of shocking the way I said it :-3 but I'm not into eloquence tonight.

Hope everyone is healthy though.

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:43 pm

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri May 02, 2008 9:55 pm

Pheasy, your talking about my liver aren't you?:wah:

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri May 02, 2008 10:05 pm

I have had two situations in my 73 years where I received bad news regarding my health and yes I want to know and the earlier the better. Both situations involved cancer and could result in my death if left untreated. The first was Prostate Cancer 15 years ago which was successfully treated, and more recently this past November with Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma--B Cell (Waldenstrom's Disease). I started treatment in December and finished treatment February 22nd. Today I received good news that my recent CAT scan showed that my lymph glands have have shrunk and gone back to normal, and that all of my blood work looks fine. I am not a cure, as there is no cure for my particular disease, but I am in remission and fully expect to stay in remission for some time. By the way, one cancer had nothing at all do with the other. I would not have liked to stick my head in the sand and ignore the early diagnosis of cancer. I am a proactive personality and prefer to tackle problems head on.

Despite my bouts with cancer, I am quite fit and enjoy a good quality of life.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri May 02, 2008 10:09 pm

I'm sorry, I don't even go to the doctors anymore. I worry more about if they will find something wrong than whether I feel worth a crap. I have been to the docs 2 times in the last 15 yrs so I will probably drop dead from lack of chemicals.

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Sat May 03, 2008 12:35 am

I would want to know. Mainly because I have kids and grandchildren but that dosent mean I would have treatment . I would want to have quality time with everyone.

suzy_creamcheese · Post by **suzy_creamcheese** » Sat May 03, 2008 1:53 am

id want to know. Id want to be able to tie up loose ends, prepare myself and my family, make the most of the last bit.

Post by **spot** » Sat May 03, 2008 2:29 am

suzy_creamcheese;855235 wrote: id want to know. Id want to be able to tie up loose ends, prepare myself and my family, make the most of the last bit.

Dear oh dear... that's what life's for...

suzy_creamcheese · Post by **suzy_creamcheese** » Sat May 03, 2008 2:33 am

no, life is for trying to get through from one day to the next without killing myself or my children.

pinkchick · Post by **pinkchick** » Sat May 03, 2008 3:33 am

Pheasy;855049 wrote: If you thought you were sick ... like beyond treatment ... would you want to know? Like go to the doctors or not? Sorry for morbid Friday night question ... I was just wondering what peoples thoughts would be on this? :-6

Hi Pheasy:-6

Until recently I would have said yes - I want to know.

Now?

No way!!

:-4

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat May 03, 2008 5:23 am

Dunno, maybe Id know if I was faced with it. Mental attitude is key and I dont know if Im the type who would be like Lon and tackle it head on or just feel sorry for my self and get depressed.

Sorry to hear your troubles Carol, we are all here for you if you need to chat hun x

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat May 03, 2008 6:21 am

When I felt something was wrong, I started seeing doctors. They all had something in common. A never ending stock of expensive pills. At first I took all they perscribed. I started having vision problems, severe pains and balance problems and others. Felt horrible. Docs wouldn't take me off the pills. Threw out the pills. Immediately started feeling better again. I changed my diet, eliminating as much salt, fat and sugar as possible. More improvement.

I still have problems but no longer trust doctors for anything more than broken bones. I'll take my chances. The world is becoming more and more unlivable anyway. I'll let God decide my future, not some doctor.

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Sat May 03, 2008 6:57 am

I have an aunt who never went to doctors, she was afraid of them, she's in her

seventies and she's only been a few times in her life, recently she began feeling badly and went to one, she has cancer, it started as cancer of the uterus but since she never went for her yearly check-ups it was never caught. It has now spread and is in her bones and there is no hope for her! the sad part about all of this is if she had just been having her regular check-ups this could have been caught early and treated,

i now make sure i go every year, i want anything they might find to be caught as early as possible.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat May 03, 2008 7:18 am

Hope6;855382 wrote: I have an aunt who never went to doctors, she was afraid of them, she's in her

seventies and she's only been a few times in her life, recently she began feeling badly and went to one, she has cancer, it started as cancer of the uterus but since she never went for her yearly check-ups it was never caught. It has now spread and is in her bones and there is no hope for her! the sad part about all of this is if she had just been having her regular check-ups this could have been caught early and treated,

i now make sure i go every year, i want anything they might find to be caught as early as possible.That seems like a mixed blessing to me. How many years of pain and worry did she avoid by not going through chemo & all that during her sixties? How many years would the pain & worry have added to her life? At what quality? Either way may be a wash, but it doesn't matter now, anyway.

Enjoy your aunt while you can. Tap her brain for memories, lesson, and wisdom. Giver her a hug from us, will ya? :-6

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Sat May 03, 2008 7:59 am

Pheasy;855049 wrote: If you thought you were sick ... like beyond treatment ... would you want to know? Like go to the doctors or not? Sorry for morbid Friday night question ... I was just wondering what peoples thoughts would be on this? :-6

I think it's better to know. If it's untreatable you'd know how long you had left to be with loved ones. You could arrange to see & say goodbye to friends & family who may not live nearby.

It would also give you time to achieve any wishes you had for your life while you still could.

Family & friends could better prepare for the inevitable if they knew how long you had left. They wouldn't put off seeing you or telling you something only to find it's suddenly too late.

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Sat May 03, 2008 8:32 am

Accountable;855433 wrote: That seems like a mixed blessing to me. How many years of pain and worry did she avoid by not going through chemo & all that during her sixties? How many years would the pain & worry have added to her life? At what quality? Either way may be a wash, but it doesn't matter now, anyway.

Enjoy your aunt while you can. Tap her brain for memories, lesson, and wisdom. Giver her a hug from us, will ya? :-6

yeah you may be right it is a mixed blessing that she didn't have to suffer with it for years i guess.

I have been visiting her much more than i used to and taking my baby too, she thinks so much of him, but sadly since he's only 21 months old now he will probably never remember being with her. she is my mom oldest sister and i know she has a lot of memories that it would be wonderful to hear. and i will be sure and hug her for everybody next time i'm there!:-4

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat May 03, 2008 9:34 am

Patsy Warnick;855147 wrote: Pheasy

Any particular reason for this Question ?

Are you OK - anything you'd like to share ?

Patsy

No all's good Patsey :-4 I just wondered what peoples thoughts were on this subject - seems like there are some very mixed views.

It was just one of those thoughts that sometimes ping into your head ... probably on account of me getting older

:wah:

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Sat May 03, 2008 9:50 am

Pheasy;855644 wrote: No all's good Patsey :-4 I just wondered what peoples thoughts were on this subject - seems like there are some very mixed views.

It was just one of those thoughts that sometimes ping into your head ... probably on account of me getting older

:wah:

i'll tell you why i worry about these types of things more now is because i've got a baby now, i keep thinking what's to become of him if something were to happen to me? where would he go? would he be well treated? all kinds of questions run through my head.

the truth is none of us know how long we have on this earth, i could go out here and get hit by a truck tomorrow! so we all need to live our lives as if each day could be our last!

Dewey2Me1MoThyme · Post by **Dewey2Me1MoThyme** » Sun May 04, 2008 3:08 am

I never go to a doctor unless it is absolutely necessary. A little over a year ago I totally tore out my rotator cuff at work, and tried three thymes to go back and finish the job i was dewing at the thyme, although it felt like my arm had been blown off at the should via a shotgun blast. Had it not been for a co-worker blabbing the incident to HR, and another calling my wife at home, i'm not sure I would have gone. So chances of a dr. telling me I'm dying are slim. But then, I look forward to the day, far too much misery on this planet for yours truly.:rolleyes:

Dew

"Anything worth dewing is worth dewing well"

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Mon May 05, 2008 1:22 am

I would definitely go to the doctors....at least then you can make decisions on treatment (or not).

I have recently found out that I have a problem with my heart. Waiting for a diagnosis was stressful....now I know, I can deal with it.