any wagers on how long it will take before someone kills her??........MONTREAL (AP) -- The most reviled woman in Canada is set to walk out of prison Monday, facing death threats and rage from a public still bitter that she only served 12 years for the rapes and murders of teenage girls, including her younger sister.
Karla Homolka is so frightened someone might harm her that her lawyers are demanding an unprecedented media blackout on her release and subsequent whereabouts, a move that will be challenged by media attorneys in a Montreal courtroom on Monday.
Many in this French-speaking city believe Homolka has done her time and should be given her second chance at life, which she got after making a deal with the state in exchange for testifying against her ex-husband.
Dubbed "English-Canada's monster," by Quebecois, the 35-year-old former veterinarian assistant who grew up near Niagara Falls has said she intends to settle in Montreal, hoping for anonymity amid those perhaps less familiar with her crimes.
Those offenses, when made public through her testimony at her ex-husband's murder trial in 1995 and from homemade videotapes of their sexual killing sprees, knocked the wind out of the nation.
Canadians, unaccustomed to the grisly crimes they typically attribute to their neighbors to the south, felt as if they had lost a touch of innocence.
Renewed interest in the killer, who now calls herself Karla Teale, has reached beyond Canadian borders. The Internet search engine Google reports Homolka was among their top 10 search subjects last week, just after Michael Jackson and Angelina Jolie.
Homolka was convicted of manslaughter in 1993 and given the relatively light sentence of 12 years for her role in the rapes and murders of Ontario teenagers Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy. In return, she agreed to testify against ex-husband Paul Bernardo, a Toronto bookkeeper serving a life term in an Ontario prison for two counts of first-degree murder.
In sentencing Homolka, prosecutors also considered her role in the 1990 death of her 15-year-old sister, Tammy, who died on Christmas Eve after Homolka held a drug-soaked cloth over her face while Bernardo raped her.
Several psychiatrists who interviewed Homolka, who was often beaten by Bernardo -- with a slew of hospital photos to prove it -- claimed she was suffering from battered wife syndrome. She was given further leniency for her own mental state.
"She does seem to be very perturbed, yes, but she's done her time and either the system works or it doesn't," said Christian Immer, whose family lives next to the Elizabeth Fry Society halfway house for female inmates in the leafy Montreal suburb of Notre Dame de Grace.
Homolka has received counseling from the home, where she could stay in privacy while she finds a place to live and attempts to elude reporters.
The police and women who run the halfway house have refused to reveal whether Homolka will stay there, and Immer shrugs off any concern about the possibility.
"I have three kids and the thought crosses my mind, but she's probably the least of our fears in this big metropolis," said Immer, washing a car outside his house.
A criminal attorney, Immer blames the media for fueling the hysteria over Homolka's release from a prison just outside Montreal. One photo of Homolka glaring menacingly into the camera from beneath blonde bangs, has been printed and shown on television so often it's hard for some to picture her otherwise.
But Immer acknowledged the images of Homolka's sister, Tammy, won't soon be forgotten.
"I think people just can't fathom what she did to her sister, the idea of offering her sister to her husband for rape," Immer said. "It was a horrible, horrible, horrible story."
Months after prosecutors made the so-called "deal with the devil," Bernardo's attorneys handed over homemade videotapes by the couple. One indicated Homolka had offered up Tammy as a Christmas gift to Bernardo in 1990; it showed Homolka performing oral sex on her unconscious sister after slipping sleeping pills in her alcohol. Tammy died choking on her own vomit.
In the following two years, the couple kidnapped and videotaped the rapes and beatings of 15-year-old Kristen, then 14-year-old Leslie, who was strangled by Bernardo with an electrical cord while the teenager held a teddy bear Homolka had given her for comfort.
By the time the videotapes were revealed, the Homolka plea bargain had been sealed.
During Bernardo's trial, the prosecution insisted he had repeatedly beaten their star witness and threatened her family, so Holmolka had only pretended to enjoy the sexual abuse of the girls in an effort to protect herself, her other sister and parents.
Detractors said she had numerous chances to leave Bernardo. Letters to friends not long after Tammy's murder complained that her parents grieving for their youngest child was casting a shadow over her approaching wedding day.
The mayor of Notre Dame de Grace borough said he's received dozens of e-mails, letters and phone calls from constituents, most pleading that Homolka not be allowed to live among them.
Michael Applebaum said police had assured him that Homolka would be kept in another part of the city until the media frenzy dies down. "She won't be walking the streets anytime soon," Applebaum said.
The mystery surrounding Homolka's mental illness led Ontario prosecutors last month to seek, successfully, heavy restrictions on her movement and activities.
Homolka intends to appeal those restrictions, calling them a violation of her plea deal. Her lawyers also plan to return to court Monday to try, for a second time, to ban the media from reporting on her whereabouts once she is released from the penitentiary in rural Ste-Anne-des-Plaines, about 10 miles north of Montreal. "I believe some people wish to do the public a favor by killing me," Homolka said in an affidavit accompanying the request for a media ban. "The thought of being relentlessly pursued, hunted down and followed when I won't have any protection makes me fear for my life."
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.......she probably looks much different now......
Karla Homolka, seen in a 1993 photo, is to be released from prison in July.
Karla Homolka, seen in a 1993 photo, is to be released from prison in July.
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She seems very similar to Myra Hindley, Ian Brady's partner.
http://members.fortunecity.com/hiper22/bradyhindley.htm
And like Myra Hindley she should rot in prison.
http://members.fortunecity.com/hiper22/bradyhindley.htm
And like Myra Hindley she should rot in prison.
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She is a monster, yes looks much different now.
She has been begging for the media to not follow her, not post where she resides etc. HAH big fat f***ing joke she is.
That wing nut lived in protective prison, no one could touch her, yet she basically had a party in jail. The dope had a well publicized fling with a female inmate, she currently has a male inmate as her bear. Screw her, she should have been treated like Jeffery Dhalmer,... thrown to the lions.
We wait with baited breath for her release today BAH NOT... May she rot!!!
She has been begging for the media to not follow her, not post where she resides etc. HAH big fat f***ing joke she is.
That wing nut lived in protective prison, no one could touch her, yet she basically had a party in jail. The dope had a well publicized fling with a female inmate, she currently has a male inmate as her bear. Screw her, she should have been treated like Jeffery Dhalmer,... thrown to the lions.
We wait with baited breath for her release today BAH NOT... May she rot!!!
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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We've got a saying in my part of the country..."What goes around, comes around. "Or to quote another person, "Live by the sword, die by the sword."
That means when you live a life of violence and pain, somehow that kind of thing just seems to come back to you...in spades.
I'm betting her time on Earth will be a nonstop progression of pain and complication. She'll be miserable here, no doubt, but not half as miserable as she will be when she stands before the Creator or All Things, and He hands down the Final Judgement. :-3
That means when you live a life of violence and pain, somehow that kind of thing just seems to come back to you...in spades.
I'm betting her time on Earth will be a nonstop progression of pain and complication. She'll be miserable here, no doubt, but not half as miserable as she will be when she stands before the Creator or All Things, and He hands down the Final Judgement. :-3
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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exactly!
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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From this link Monster loose
Tim Danson, the lawyer speaking for the French and Mahaffy families, said her release still hit them like "a brick in the head" even though they knew it was coming.
"They actually thought that they had made all the necessary emotional adjustments to be ready," said Danson.
"When I gave them the word, it impacted them like a brick in the head - even for me who knows them so well - it's awful."
Danson said he found the interview with Radio-Canada "objectionable."
"Without a doubt this is vintage Karla Homolka who is enjoying the limelight and manipulating the process to her benefit - at least she perceives it that way," he said.
He said he found it incredible that while Homolka expresses sadness she has never apologized to his clients or expressed any remorse for their daughters' deaths.
Danson said he thought she showed her true colours when she was pushed on the question of Gerbet, who is serving a life sentence for killing his ex-girlfriend in 1998.
"When she was pushed on the question she made it very clear that you go no further and that's the real Karla Homolka," he said. "I don't know how many people would catch that kind of subtlety but she's a very strong person and very much in control."
In her hometown of St. Catharines, where all of Homolka's crimes were committed, a handful of people at a local laundromat stood in stunned silence as a television reported news of her release.
"Dear God, hell," was all Ann Pettay, 65, could say as she folded blankets with her husband.
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Thank you T for this, and the updated picture, I will put it on my wall and throw darts poison ones at the wretch!!
She is a GD glory seeker and this article is correct she likes the attention.
This is where I can not fathom the belief of forgiveness. And where folks may argue she has done her time. Horse crap she did not suffer a bit while in jail. I just get way to whipped about this woman sorry.
She is a GD glory seeker and this article is correct she likes the attention.
This is where I can not fathom the belief of forgiveness. And where folks may argue she has done her time. Horse crap she did not suffer a bit while in jail. I just get way to whipped about this woman sorry.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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I am more interested in finding out why people do this. Holmolka did something monstrous. Why? The word monster makes her out to be something other than human. She is not.
What I see more than monstrous killers (in percentages) is people that love killers. Obsess over them. Without killers they would have no one to hang. Holmolka may love the spotlight. Who gives it to her? Who created her? These are more important concerns.
What I see more than monstrous killers (in percentages) is people that love killers. Obsess over them. Without killers they would have no one to hang. Holmolka may love the spotlight. Who gives it to her? Who created her? These are more important concerns.
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Isn't it all summed up with the phrase "media circus"? The media shine the spotlight on her, she revels in it. Front page Karla sells papers. Top story Karla gets ratings for XYZ News Hour. The media sells us the hype, then they watch as the public gathers and gazes in an almost morbid curiosity - Carnival Huckster: "Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls!! Come on in and see Karla, The Monster From Hell!!"
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To an extent I agree with you, koan. But I also know that should someone harm one of my children or someone else that I love, I would feel very differently.
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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koan wrote: I am more interested in finding out why people do this. Holmolka did something monstrous. Why? The word monster makes her out to be something other than human. She is not.
What I see more than monstrous killers (in percentages) is people that love killers. Obsess over them. Without killers they would have no one to hang. Holmolka may love the spotlight. Who gives it to her? Who created her? These are more important concerns.so you'll be renting her a room then? and introducing her to your young daughter? poor karla, a product of her environment and the media spotlight. but wait--she had no media attention prior to committing her depraved murderous acts... oh, i know, it's her parents' fault! yes, that's it... no, it's her husband's fault, just because she looked positively gleeful in the videos of torture and murder it's society's fault! am i getting warm? whose fault is it again? yes,stone killers are solely here for our hanging entertainment.
What I see more than monstrous killers (in percentages) is people that love killers. Obsess over them. Without killers they would have no one to hang. Holmolka may love the spotlight. Who gives it to her? Who created her? These are more important concerns.so you'll be renting her a room then? and introducing her to your young daughter? poor karla, a product of her environment and the media spotlight. but wait--she had no media attention prior to committing her depraved murderous acts... oh, i know, it's her parents' fault! yes, that's it... no, it's her husband's fault, just because she looked positively gleeful in the videos of torture and murder it's society's fault! am i getting warm? whose fault is it again? yes,stone killers are solely here for our hanging entertainment.
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lady cop wrote: so you'll be renting her a room then? and introducing her to your young daughter?I've a self-contained apartment here, Lady, and a daughter living at home. She can rent that, I have no problem with the notion. I don't think this "stone killer" of yours is any more of a danger to the public than anyone else, unlike the baying pack of news reporters in her wake. From what I've seen, she's not ever been described as psychopathic by any psychologist who examined her, and there have been several. Your term "stone killer" refers to a stone cold killer, presumably, one who kills without feeling any remorse or restrictions from emotion or ethics, and that seems a singularly inappropriate description of a woman for whom an "abused spouse" defense was considered appropriate by her prosecutors. The technical term seems to be "compliant victim", but I know too little to give an opinion on that. What I do feel qualified to judge is the orchestrated media hate frenzy that informs these discussions. That frenzy is indefensible. It has a scapegoat, a resource the gutter media never lets go of - they're too profitable when it comes to bolstering sales.
Why is it, when someone introduces a viewpoint you dislike, that you continually make such personal responses? Why do you invite the poster to endanger - from your point of view - her child? How does that make the points any more or less valid? You took a cool and considered post and gave it a wild-eyed spittle-foamed treatment. There are far better ways of discussing issues than that. You're letting your violent antipathy to criminals extend into a violent antipathy to someone discussing criminality.
Why is it, when someone introduces a viewpoint you dislike, that you continually make such personal responses? Why do you invite the poster to endanger - from your point of view - her child? How does that make the points any more or less valid? You took a cool and considered post and gave it a wild-eyed spittle-foamed treatment. There are far better ways of discussing issues than that. You're letting your violent antipathy to criminals extend into a violent antipathy to someone discussing criminality.
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alas, alack, 'tis true! i have an antipathy and aversion for murderous sexual predators! and their apologists. .....now excuse me whilst i wipe away the foamed-spittle from my wild-eyed visage. :wah:
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Far Rider wrote: Spot, now thats just crazy to invite her where your daughter is, I know you belive very strongly in rehabilitation and such but to invite a convicted killer close to your family is not smart at all and an awful way to test your theories.
Im hoping you were just making a point here.I wouldn't say anything without meaning it. I may, of course, be mistaken in thinking she poses no more threat than an average member of society, but that's my view. And it was, after all, Lady Cop's suggestion that Koan make exactly such an offer. I'm better placed to make it, having the apartment to hand. The media frenzy, the blood lust and the vigilante threats all bother me far more than the potential risk that I'm mistaken.
Im hoping you were just making a point here.I wouldn't say anything without meaning it. I may, of course, be mistaken in thinking she poses no more threat than an average member of society, but that's my view. And it was, after all, Lady Cop's suggestion that Koan make exactly such an offer. I'm better placed to make it, having the apartment to hand. The media frenzy, the blood lust and the vigilante threats all bother me far more than the potential risk that I'm mistaken.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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koan wrote: I am more interested in finding out why people do this. Holmolka did something monstrous. Why? The word monster makes her out to be something other than human. She is not.
What I see more than monstrous killers (in percentages) is people that love killers. Obsess over them. Without killers they would have no one to hang. Holmolka may love the spotlight. Who gives it to her? Who created her? These are more important concerns.
Well try telling that to the Mahaffy and French Families I bet they really give a dam about why Karla did what she did.
She is a monster no matter who made her that way or why she turned out that way, a monster like Paul Bernardo, Jeffery Dhalmer, John Venables, Dillon Klebold etc. Anyone who submits to vicious killing acts are monsters.
What I see more than monstrous killers (in percentages) is people that love killers. Obsess over them. Without killers they would have no one to hang. Holmolka may love the spotlight. Who gives it to her? Who created her? These are more important concerns.
Well try telling that to the Mahaffy and French Families I bet they really give a dam about why Karla did what she did.
She is a monster no matter who made her that way or why she turned out that way, a monster like Paul Bernardo, Jeffery Dhalmer, John Venables, Dillon Klebold etc. Anyone who submits to vicious killing acts are monsters.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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minks wrote: Anyone who submits to vicious killing acts are monsters.What killing acts aren't viscious, minks? Why are you restricting your list to the pet hates of the tabloid gutter press? You don't feel you've been conditioned to see red when those particular names crop up?
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Far Rider wrote: After the fact, myself and an officer investigated the incident, determined that he got a fair trail, and sentence.Your philosophy reminds me of Robert A Heinlein's. By all means applaud vigilantism domestically, if you're prepared to write off the US as a civilized nation, but don't try to export it. I don't know why you bother to legislate in the first place.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Far Rider wrote: Sorry Spot to comment on a question for Minks, but what do you mean 'conditioned' to see red when I see those names?
If they never committed cirmes I'd not need to see red when I see their names, their own actions made their names to be infamous.They're the names that sell newspapers, that's all. My point is that there's a lot of killers but only some of them become the common currency of tabloid headlines. Those are the ones people are conditioned to see red over. Minks' list matched the tabloid headline list. I wondered why.
If they never committed cirmes I'd not need to see red when I see their names, their own actions made their names to be infamous.They're the names that sell newspapers, that's all. My point is that there's a lot of killers but only some of them become the common currency of tabloid headlines. Those are the ones people are conditioned to see red over. Minks' list matched the tabloid headline list. I wondered why.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Spot, i dont understand your empathy towards this woman,
i wonder, did you feel the same way towards Myra Hindley?
i wonder, did you feel the same way towards Myra Hindley?
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abbey wrote: Spot, i dont understand your empathy towards this woman,
i wonder, did you feel the same way towards Myra Hindley?I don't feel empathy toward "this woman", Abbey, I feel empathy toward the communities of the murder victims. Rather than see anyone hounded by the press and threatened by vigilantes, I would prefer to put my apartment at her disposal. Had Myra Hindley not died in prison but been released under similar conditions, I'd have made the same offer to her, unlikely though it is that either offer would be taken up. I would note that their cases were probably quite different in terms of initiative or instigation. I would most certainly do the same for Mary Bell and her daughter, who were hounded by the UK press just a couple of years ago. I want to see people reclaimed. I actually have faith in the potential redemption of sinners, but I suspect the Forum Garden Charter forbids me to mention that.
i wonder, did you feel the same way towards Myra Hindley?I don't feel empathy toward "this woman", Abbey, I feel empathy toward the communities of the murder victims. Rather than see anyone hounded by the press and threatened by vigilantes, I would prefer to put my apartment at her disposal. Had Myra Hindley not died in prison but been released under similar conditions, I'd have made the same offer to her, unlikely though it is that either offer would be taken up. I would note that their cases were probably quite different in terms of initiative or instigation. I would most certainly do the same for Mary Bell and her daughter, who were hounded by the UK press just a couple of years ago. I want to see people reclaimed. I actually have faith in the potential redemption of sinners, but I suspect the Forum Garden Charter forbids me to mention that.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Far Rider wrote: Me too, I think folks can be redeemed, but the consequence of thier actions remain.
Not being trusted to freely walk society again is one of those consequences.Were that so, the judicial system would refuse parole. Parole exists because being trusted to freely walk in society again is one of those consequences.
Not being trusted to freely walk society again is one of those consequences.Were that so, the judicial system would refuse parole. Parole exists because being trusted to freely walk in society again is one of those consequences.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Well as usual Spot your stirring it up. You rent your room to this MONSTER. Yes she is a HUMAN MONSTER, just like Charlie Manson. I don't care what her sad story is, or who she turn on to get a out. This is one ugly human being to the core.
If you want someone like this in your house so be it. I as a thinking adult see the errror in that choice. I will do everything possible to protect my loved ones, not taking any chances with their welfare because of my beliefs. You go ahead rent her a room..better you than me..!! :-5
SPOT YOU PLAY WITH FIRE YOU WILL GET BURNED.. !!
If you want someone like this in your house so be it. I as a thinking adult see the errror in that choice. I will do everything possible to protect my loved ones, not taking any chances with their welfare because of my beliefs. You go ahead rent her a room..better you than me..!! :-5
SPOT YOU PLAY WITH FIRE YOU WILL GET BURNED.. !!
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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spot wrote: Had Myra Hindley not died in prison but been released under similar conditions, I'd have made the same offer to her, unlikely though it is that either offer would be taken up. I would note that their cases were probably quite different in terms of initiative or instigation. I beg to differ Spot, they both aided & abetted murder with their lovers, and both taped the victims being murderedladcop wrote: In the following two years, the couple kidnapped and videotaped the rapes and beatings of 15-year-old Kristen, then 14-year-old Leslie, who was strangled by Bernardo with an electrical cord while the teenager held a teddy bear Homolka had given her for comfort.
And like Hindley, this Bitch feels no compassion towards the families of the people she helped murder (her own family included).
And like Hindley, this Bitch feels no compassion towards the families of the people she helped murder (her own family included).
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spot wrote: What killing acts aren't viscious, minks? Why are you restricting your list to the pet hates of the tabloid gutter press? You don't feel you've been conditioned to see red when those particular names crop up?
Sorry for my delay on replying here not leaving this convo on purpose.
My list is just a smattering of names I had in my head, let me go on, john wayne gasey, timothy mcvey, I don't give a care if it is dam john smith down the street how about clifford olson, or how about charles bloody ing it does not matter to me.
Killers, are killers ok some more vicious than others and I am not influenced by media, I am influenced by the judicial decisions that find them guilty. Plain and simple, killing is unaccpetable in my mind no matter who you are.
Sorry for my delay on replying here not leaving this convo on purpose.
My list is just a smattering of names I had in my head, let me go on, john wayne gasey, timothy mcvey, I don't give a care if it is dam john smith down the street how about clifford olson, or how about charles bloody ing it does not matter to me.
Killers, are killers ok some more vicious than others and I am not influenced by media, I am influenced by the judicial decisions that find them guilty. Plain and simple, killing is unaccpetable in my mind no matter who you are.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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spot wrote: They're the names that sell newspapers, that's all. My point is that there's a lot of killers but only some of them become the common currency of tabloid headlines. Those are the ones people are conditioned to see red over. Minks' list matched the tabloid headline list. I wondered why.
You know what spot I detest media glorification and always have and always will. Media glorification DOES NOT influence me. Factual information and results of the legal system influence me. I am not conditioned to see red over my list, that list was names pulled out of thin air at the time I posted.
You know if I saw my brothers best friend had commited murder I would think no more of him than I do of the Common currency names as you so call them
I take huge offense to your presumptions. I am well educated and informed, I do not run around chasing ambulances, fire trucks or police cars. In this case murder is murder is murder, and that is what I pass judgement on.
You know what spot I detest media glorification and always have and always will. Media glorification DOES NOT influence me. Factual information and results of the legal system influence me. I am not conditioned to see red over my list, that list was names pulled out of thin air at the time I posted.
You know if I saw my brothers best friend had commited murder I would think no more of him than I do of the Common currency names as you so call them
I take huge offense to your presumptions. I am well educated and informed, I do not run around chasing ambulances, fire trucks or police cars. In this case murder is murder is murder, and that is what I pass judgement on.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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Consequences that is what it boils down to anymore.
The consequences for crimes these days in my country (I won't speak for others) are absolute horse crap. Jail time is a freakin walk in the park for those who commit crimes of rape and murder etc. So why would they give a flying fig about going to jail. Look at some of the prisoners wahoo jail it almost beats being put back out in society don't it???
Our society has fallen down sooooo badly in the consequences department. This starts at childhood. My god I dont' mean go ahead beat the heck outta your kid, I mean be a parent to your dam kid not his or her best friend and dicipline approprately. Gawd I am so worked up I can't spell.
The consequences for crimes these days in my country (I won't speak for others) are absolute horse crap. Jail time is a freakin walk in the park for those who commit crimes of rape and murder etc. So why would they give a flying fig about going to jail. Look at some of the prisoners wahoo jail it almost beats being put back out in society don't it???
Our society has fallen down sooooo badly in the consequences department. This starts at childhood. My god I dont' mean go ahead beat the heck outta your kid, I mean be a parent to your dam kid not his or her best friend and dicipline approprately. Gawd I am so worked up I can't spell.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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Far Rider wrote: Minks! Breath in and breath out woman! hehehe.... your passion is well noted!
Keep up the good fight!
Hehehe thanks Far, I am having lunch now, food makes it allllll better
Keep up the good fight!
Hehehe thanks Far, I am having lunch now, food makes it allllll better
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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abbey wrote: I beg to differ Spot, they both aided & abetted murder with their lovers, and both taped the victims being murdered
And like Hindley, this Bitch feels no compassion towards the families of the people she helped murder (her own family included).I note your comparison. I'm probably quite misinformed, but I had the notion in my mind from a long time ago that she had been the trigger and Ian Brady the mesmerised follower, but be that as it may. The question of compassion is unclear in either case. Lord Longford spent a long time with the one, and swore for decades that she was genuinely contrite. A similar body of opinion seems to have started to form around the other. Certainly, there have been expressions of remorse. These, as with Hindley, get discounted by her detractors as feigned. I wouldn't even begin to guess, I have trouble enough understanding my own mind much less another.
And like Hindley, this Bitch feels no compassion towards the families of the people she helped murder (her own family included).I note your comparison. I'm probably quite misinformed, but I had the notion in my mind from a long time ago that she had been the trigger and Ian Brady the mesmerised follower, but be that as it may. The question of compassion is unclear in either case. Lord Longford spent a long time with the one, and swore for decades that she was genuinely contrite. A similar body of opinion seems to have started to form around the other. Certainly, there have been expressions of remorse. These, as with Hindley, get discounted by her detractors as feigned. I wouldn't even begin to guess, I have trouble enough understanding my own mind much less another.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot wrote: I note your comparison. I'm probably quite misinformed, but I had the notion in my mind from a long time ago that she had been the trigger and Ian Brady the mesmerised follower, but be that as it may. The question of compassion is unclear in either case. Lord Longford spent a long time with the one, and swore for decades that she was genuinely contrite. A similar body of opinion seems to have started to form around the other. Certainly, there have been expressions of remorse. These, as with Hindley, get discounted by her detractors as feigned. I wouldn't even begin to guess,
I have trouble enough understanding my own mind much less another.
Hey spotty dog then take note, stay out of others minds.
And as for Carla H, she never showed remorse and never uttered an apology to the victims families. And besides what in the hell good is an apology after the crime??? It means squat.
I have trouble enough understanding my own mind much less another.
Hey spotty dog then take note, stay out of others minds.
And as for Carla H, she never showed remorse and never uttered an apology to the victims families. And besides what in the hell good is an apology after the crime??? It means squat.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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Holy Heart Attack, Batman! That's the most fired up I ever saw Minksy get!:D
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! THERE'S A WILD MINKS LOOSE!
LOL!
But seriously, Minks is exactly right, when parents don't make consequences for their kids, the kids grow up with the attitude that "Hey! the rules don't apply to me."
And this is the truth, ask any little kid what they want to do when they grow aup and they'll NEVER answer, "I want to be a convicted felon!"
So how do they end up that way?
Well, without home consequences, they begin to break the rules not only at home , but in society. "I don't have the money so I think I'll just shoplift that item." "Why shoplift when I can just grab it out of the warehouse?" "Hey, the neighbors are gone, and I happen to know that their back door is broken."
About that time is when the owners come home and WHAM, now you're facing residential burglary. Very few people lead lawabiding lives and then suddenly, without warning commit a felony. Usually there's an entire history of both a lack of proper parenting and an attitude towards authority.
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! THERE'S A WILD MINKS LOOSE!
LOL!
But seriously, Minks is exactly right, when parents don't make consequences for their kids, the kids grow up with the attitude that "Hey! the rules don't apply to me."
And this is the truth, ask any little kid what they want to do when they grow aup and they'll NEVER answer, "I want to be a convicted felon!"
So how do they end up that way?
Well, without home consequences, they begin to break the rules not only at home , but in society. "I don't have the money so I think I'll just shoplift that item." "Why shoplift when I can just grab it out of the warehouse?" "Hey, the neighbors are gone, and I happen to know that their back door is broken."
About that time is when the owners come home and WHAM, now you're facing residential burglary. Very few people lead lawabiding lives and then suddenly, without warning commit a felony. Usually there's an entire history of both a lack of proper parenting and an attitude towards authority.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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minks wrote: Hey spotty dog then take note, stay out of others minds.If you prefer the certainty of conviction then by all means ignore the voice of reason. My lack of certainty says nothing about the validity of my argument. What I say stands or falls by reason, I hope, not by the depth with which I hold my preconception.
And as for "what in the hell good is an apology after the crime?", why are we even mentioning remorse at all if that's valid? Why does it become an issue in the first place? Who brought remorse up, and why?
Chasing down indications that anyone did or did not express remorse is a pointless task, since its genuine or feigned nature can't be reliably determined.
And as for "what in the hell good is an apology after the crime?", why are we even mentioning remorse at all if that's valid? Why does it become an issue in the first place? Who brought remorse up, and why?
Chasing down indications that anyone did or did not express remorse is a pointless task, since its genuine or feigned nature can't be reliably determined.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
The Monster, Karla Homolka, To Be Released
spot wrote: I note your comparison. I'm probably quite misinformed, but I had the notion in my mind from a long time ago that she had been the trigger and Ian Brady the mesmerised follower, but be that as it may. The question of compassion is unclear in either case. Lord Longford spent a long time with the one, and swore for decades that she was genuinely contrite. A similar body of opinion seems to have started to form around the other. Certainly, there have been expressions of remorse. These, as with Hindley, get discounted by her detractors as feigned. I wouldn't even begin to guess, I have trouble enough understanding my own mind much less another.Ah yes, Lord Longford the Peer who described Hindley as "Delightful" Mad as a bloody hatter!
I have to agree that to apologise after the events mean absolutley F all, Hindley did admittedley show some degree of remorse when the question of parole arose and thankfully the parole board listened to public opinion and not some some half arsed apology and promise of taking the police onto saddleworth moors to show where the body of one of the victims was buried, (note Keith Bennets body was never found.)
Wheras the Homolka woman did'nt need to show any remorse, she was more or less guaranteed release.
Shame on the Canadian government
I have to agree that to apologise after the events mean absolutley F all, Hindley did admittedley show some degree of remorse when the question of parole arose and thankfully the parole board listened to public opinion and not some some half arsed apology and promise of taking the police onto saddleworth moors to show where the body of one of the victims was buried, (note Keith Bennets body was never found.)
Wheras the Homolka woman did'nt need to show any remorse, she was more or less guaranteed release.
Shame on the Canadian government
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Ack you know spot I wish I had a little man I could put on here for you to see, he would have his hands pulling his hair out.
You are the most frustrating person to talk to on here. You take a post and you pull it apart then you throw in huge words and awkward sentences which make me feel like your trying to throw me off your trail. Sorry I can't compete never mind comprehend.
You are the most frustrating person to talk to on here. You take a post and you pull it apart then you throw in huge words and awkward sentences which make me feel like your trying to throw me off your trail. Sorry I can't compete never mind comprehend.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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I looked back to my last post to you. There's a dual meaning to "conviction" - what a court does, and what a person holds to as his truth. Other than that, no, there's nothing clever there, it all looks plain. I would be wasting my time if I were deliberately trying to throw anyone off my trail, I'm stood in plain view on a soapbox trying to adjust the minds of the few people who stop to hear me out. Why would I try to hide my meaning? What bit of my vocabulary is hard going?
Out of the only long ones there - certainty conviction validity argument preconception indications pointless feigned - I'm stumped. I can't believe there's anyone on the Garden who trips on those. I can't believe there's anyone on the Garden who, if he did trip on any of them, wouldn't use a dictionary and fill in the gap.
Out of the only long ones there - certainty conviction validity argument preconception indications pointless feigned - I'm stumped. I can't believe there's anyone on the Garden who trips on those. I can't believe there's anyone on the Garden who, if he did trip on any of them, wouldn't use a dictionary and fill in the gap.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Ok spot take your over clever self to a better place, your insult to my intellegence is the end of it.
I don't find your conversation stimulating anymore. You are the only one here who talks in fancy circles.
You have your opinions you make them heard then you jump all over saying your trying to change the minds of a few on FG. Well **** off my mind is never going to be changed and you bug me.
I tried to see your points, I tried to accept the fact you have opinions like I do but I certainly did not try and change you mind. Your sense or reason is way beyond my simple mind.
Pity you have pissed me off along with others, guess I am just a we bit slower in seeing this.
It's been real and it's been fun, but not real fun.
I don't find your conversation stimulating anymore. You are the only one here who talks in fancy circles.
You have your opinions you make them heard then you jump all over saying your trying to change the minds of a few on FG. Well **** off my mind is never going to be changed and you bug me.
I tried to see your points, I tried to accept the fact you have opinions like I do but I certainly did not try and change you mind. Your sense or reason is way beyond my simple mind.
Pity you have pissed me off along with others, guess I am just a we bit slower in seeing this.
It's been real and it's been fun, but not real fun.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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minks wrote: You have your opinions you make them heard then you jump all over saying your trying to change the minds of a few on FG. Well **** off my mind is never going to be changed and you bug me.I've upset you, minks. I can sense that fact, even through the unperceptive rhinocerous hide of my monstrous ego. I shall do what I can to avoid annoying you in future. It upsets me that I lack the sensitivity to keep you amused.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
The Monster, Karla Homolka, To Be Released
abbey wrote: Ah yes, Lord Longford the Peer who described Hindley as "Delightful" Mad as a bloody hatter!I think the world can stand a few mad hatters, to be honest. He campaigned repeatedly and passionately for her release, announcing in fury when she lost her last bid for parole: "It's the most wicked decision ever reached and any Christian person must be disgusted to their entrails." And yes, he did have the bad taste to refer to her as delightful. This is a couple of paragraphs from his obituary in August 2001, since a lot of people here won't have heard of him.
He took up many particular instances of injustice. Critics accused him of seeking publicity by championing sensational or fashionable cases, but the fact is that the vast majority of the prisoners he helped, financially and in other ways, were totally obscure. What won him notoriety was his campaign to secure the release of the Moors murderer, Myra Hindley. It was Longford's belief that she had sincerely repented of her crimes and was being held in custody long past the normal release day out of craven fear of the tabloids. Despite ridicule and hostility he continued to fight for her, which testified to his persistence and gallant heart if not to his head.
He also shared with his friend Mary Whitehouse the view that pornography led to violence, and in 1971 he set up a committee to inquire into the subject and report. For the next 18 months he and his fellow members, who included Kingsley Amis and Elizabeth Jane Howard, received much scurrilous publicity, especially when Longford led a group to Copenhagen for an on-the-spot survey of live sex clubs. There was also a London incident which, happily, did not get into the papers. Walking briskly down Wimpole Street with a disreputable string-tied suitcase filled with hard-core magazines, Longford was unlucky enough to precipitate its contents on to the pavement. As if on cue, a constable appeared, and was unimpressed when told: "I am Lord Longford and this is my homework." The matter had to be sorted out "at the station". Longford was adept at precipitating such comic episodes.
He took up many particular instances of injustice. Critics accused him of seeking publicity by championing sensational or fashionable cases, but the fact is that the vast majority of the prisoners he helped, financially and in other ways, were totally obscure. What won him notoriety was his campaign to secure the release of the Moors murderer, Myra Hindley. It was Longford's belief that she had sincerely repented of her crimes and was being held in custody long past the normal release day out of craven fear of the tabloids. Despite ridicule and hostility he continued to fight for her, which testified to his persistence and gallant heart if not to his head.
He also shared with his friend Mary Whitehouse the view that pornography led to violence, and in 1971 he set up a committee to inquire into the subject and report. For the next 18 months he and his fellow members, who included Kingsley Amis and Elizabeth Jane Howard, received much scurrilous publicity, especially when Longford led a group to Copenhagen for an on-the-spot survey of live sex clubs. There was also a London incident which, happily, did not get into the papers. Walking briskly down Wimpole Street with a disreputable string-tied suitcase filled with hard-core magazines, Longford was unlucky enough to precipitate its contents on to the pavement. As if on cue, a constable appeared, and was unimpressed when told: "I am Lord Longford and this is my homework." The matter had to be sorted out "at the station". Longford was adept at precipitating such comic episodes.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Lots of pages can happen in a day.
If Karla Homolka had been executed, or is executed by a vigilante, there will still be more Karla Homolkas. That is why understanding her is vital. Only lynch mob mentality refuses to care or to put the effort into prevention.
That every psychiatrist and social worker who has analysed her finds her to pass the test we have no means of legitimately calling her a psychopath and keeping her from returning from the sentence our court system deemed appropriate. Of course the victims' families believe she is lying. They are not as objective as the doctors though, are they. Psychiatrists are not so keen to give a good grade to psychopaths. It makes them look bad if she kills again. They have no motive to lie.
BTW attacking me as a poster on this thread only validates my lynch mob theory. IMNSHO. And lynching Homolka doesn't make those girls any less dead after the fact than an apology does after the fact. Principle of universality at work there.
If Karla Homolka had been executed, or is executed by a vigilante, there will still be more Karla Homolkas. That is why understanding her is vital. Only lynch mob mentality refuses to care or to put the effort into prevention.
That every psychiatrist and social worker who has analysed her finds her to pass the test we have no means of legitimately calling her a psychopath and keeping her from returning from the sentence our court system deemed appropriate. Of course the victims' families believe she is lying. They are not as objective as the doctors though, are they. Psychiatrists are not so keen to give a good grade to psychopaths. It makes them look bad if she kills again. They have no motive to lie.
BTW attacking me as a poster on this thread only validates my lynch mob theory. IMNSHO. And lynching Homolka doesn't make those girls any less dead after the fact than an apology does after the fact. Principle of universality at work there.
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koan wrote: .
BTW attacking me as a poster on this thread only validates my lynch mob theory. IMNSHO. And lynching Homolka doesn't make those girls any less dead after the fact than an apology does after the fact. Principle of universality at work there.I dont see anyone attacking you personally on this thread Koan, because people dont agree with you is'nt an attack.
Blimey, if thats the case Spot must be under permanant seige!
BTW attacking me as a poster on this thread only validates my lynch mob theory. IMNSHO. And lynching Homolka doesn't make those girls any less dead after the fact than an apology does after the fact. Principle of universality at work there.I dont see anyone attacking you personally on this thread Koan, because people dont agree with you is'nt an attack.
Blimey, if thats the case Spot must be under permanant seige!
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abbey wrote: I dont see anyone attacking you personally on this thread Koan, because people dont agree with you is'nt an attack.
Blimey, if thats the case Spot must be under permanant seige!You missed it, Abbey. The thread has a post inviting Koan to put her daughter at what the poster regards as high risk, which is about as personal an attack as you could hope to land. Nobody has ever offered me any abuse. I suspect that the assumption is that Koan can take it, being tough, but that I'd crumple.
Blimey, if thats the case Spot must be under permanant seige!You missed it, Abbey. The thread has a post inviting Koan to put her daughter at what the poster regards as high risk, which is about as personal an attack as you could hope to land. Nobody has ever offered me any abuse. I suspect that the assumption is that Koan can take it, being tough, but that I'd crumple.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.