May I delicately hint at an answer to this? If a country finds that it's being surrounded by offensive airstrips and jump-off bases, manned and equipped by a country that shares no common border, it might tend to put more of its GNP into militarizing.
I wonder who's been rattling their cage?
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China to challenge America?
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Sounds like a global threat. I think you should carpet bomb them.
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TW2005 wrote: I predict it will happen by the year 2011.No no. I'd bet it will be before 2010
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I pray it never happens. This has a real potential for ugly. People will long for the good old days in Iraq.
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TW2005 wrote: The US would never stand up to a bully it's own size, or larger for that matter.
My natural reaction to what you say is to come out fighting. Sadly, I fear you are right. Too many people would think that if we just ignore it, it will go away and we will be able to go on living the “good lifeâ€. I really never thought I would see the day that I would say something like this.
My natural reaction to what you say is to come out fighting. Sadly, I fear you are right. Too many people would think that if we just ignore it, it will go away and we will be able to go on living the “good lifeâ€. I really never thought I would see the day that I would say something like this.
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China to challenge America?
posted by scrat
I do think she will try economic blackmail though and that is where things will happen.
Something like the opium wars which brings me to this.
Bad analogy, with the opium wars china was up against industrial nations with a major technoligical advantage they couldn't match. Medeival armies against cannon and rifles. That's not the case any more. On a like for like basis their armed forces are as good as any in the world. Looks like they have set out to match the west in arms so they can't be bullied by a militarily superior nation with an everwhelming advantage. The gulf war and the devastating effecy of western arms must have come as shock. From their perspective I think they are looking at an increasingly aggressive US and are getting ready just in case.
The romans had a saying. "If you would live in peace be ready for war" Except they said it in latin.
I do think she will try economic blackmail though and that is where things will happen.
Something like the opium wars which brings me to this.
Bad analogy, with the opium wars china was up against industrial nations with a major technoligical advantage they couldn't match. Medeival armies against cannon and rifles. That's not the case any more. On a like for like basis their armed forces are as good as any in the world. Looks like they have set out to match the west in arms so they can't be bullied by a militarily superior nation with an everwhelming advantage. The gulf war and the devastating effecy of western arms must have come as shock. From their perspective I think they are looking at an increasingly aggressive US and are getting ready just in case.
The romans had a saying. "If you would live in peace be ready for war" Except they said it in latin.
China to challenge America?
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spot wrote: Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
Bella gerant alii.
Unfortunately, we live in a violent world. It would be great if everyone left everyone else alone.
Bella gerant alii.
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Tombstone wrote: Unfortunately, we live in a violent world. It would be great if everyone left everyone else alone.Exactly so. And which nation, precisely, has been most belligerent during your lifetime?
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spot wrote: Exactly so. And which nation, precisely, has been most belligerent during your lifetime?
Gee, I wonder what you want me to say. hmmmm....
Internationally, I'd say the USSR.
Domestically, I'd say about a dozen African Countries.
You're comment above implies that the UK is a white-gloved daisy.
To say that the UK has not benefited greatly and silently ridden on the coat-tails of U.S. Military policy is interesting.
Gee, I wonder what you want me to say. hmmmm....
Internationally, I'd say the USSR.
Domestically, I'd say about a dozen African Countries.
You're comment above implies that the UK is a white-gloved daisy.
To say that the UK has not benefited greatly and silently ridden on the coat-tails of U.S. Military policy is interesting.
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I didn't know you could be beligerent, domestically - I thought you could only have a war with another sovereign state. I note that recent propagandists have tried hard to change that rule, though.
Undoubtedly, either the UK has ridden - not entirely silently - on the coat-tails of U.S. Military policy, or it has partnered the decision-making and walked in step. Which of those is the closest to the truth is debateable, but irrelevant to the "undoubtedly". If you restrict yourself to, say, the last fifteen years, I'd be interested to know in what way you think that has been of benefit to us.
On how many battlefields would you have found Soviet troops, in the time period you're considering? Or do you consider building the Aswan dam a belligerent act?
Undoubtedly, either the UK has ridden - not entirely silently - on the coat-tails of U.S. Military policy, or it has partnered the decision-making and walked in step. Which of those is the closest to the truth is debateable, but irrelevant to the "undoubtedly". If you restrict yourself to, say, the last fifteen years, I'd be interested to know in what way you think that has been of benefit to us.
On how many battlefields would you have found Soviet troops, in the time period you're considering? Or do you consider building the Aswan dam a belligerent act?
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spot wrote: I didn't know you could be belligerent, domestically - I thought you could only have a war with another sovereign state. I note that recent propagandists have tried hard to change that rule, though.
1. I added to your request.
2. Civil Wars don't qualify under your belligerence definition? The only thing missing is an Internationally accepted National border.
Undoubtedly, either the UK has ridden - not entirely silently - on the coat-tails of U.S. Military policy, or it has partnered the decision-making and walked in step. Which of those is the closest to the truth is debatable, but irrelevant to the "undoubtedly". If you restrict yourself to, say, the last fifteen years, I'd be interested to know in what way you think that has been of benefit to us.
There has been no benefit in the past couple of decades. Alliances, pathways to peace, pathways to war, and other mis-deeds tend to develop over longer periods of time than 10 or 15 years.
On how many battlefields would you have found Soviet troops, in the time period you're considering? Or do you consider building the Aswan dam a belligerent act?
Not in the near past. Curious about the Soviet "block" countries though. Again, you could argue that those Republics are domestic - which falls into the Civil War category.
1. I added to your request.
2. Civil Wars don't qualify under your belligerence definition? The only thing missing is an Internationally accepted National border.
Undoubtedly, either the UK has ridden - not entirely silently - on the coat-tails of U.S. Military policy, or it has partnered the decision-making and walked in step. Which of those is the closest to the truth is debatable, but irrelevant to the "undoubtedly". If you restrict yourself to, say, the last fifteen years, I'd be interested to know in what way you think that has been of benefit to us.
There has been no benefit in the past couple of decades. Alliances, pathways to peace, pathways to war, and other mis-deeds tend to develop over longer periods of time than 10 or 15 years.
On how many battlefields would you have found Soviet troops, in the time period you're considering? Or do you consider building the Aswan dam a belligerent act?
Not in the near past. Curious about the Soviet "block" countries though. Again, you could argue that those Republics are domestic - which falls into the Civil War category.
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TW2005 wrote: The US would never stand up to a bully it's own size, or larger for that matter.
The U.S would never stand up to a bully it's own size? Russia was bigger than us and we backed it down! Crushed it actually, it's a frail shadow of it's former self.
The Chinese don't think the same way as the Russians, though. They are xenophobic, genocidal, stone-cold killers.
Looks like we're headed for WWIII. I'm putting my money on 2015.
The U.S would never stand up to a bully it's own size? Russia was bigger than us and we backed it down! Crushed it actually, it's a frail shadow of it's former self.
The Chinese don't think the same way as the Russians, though. They are xenophobic, genocidal, stone-cold killers.
Looks like we're headed for WWIII. I'm putting my money on 2015.
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Jives wrote: The U.S would never stand up to a bully it's own size? Russia was bigger than us and we backed it down! Crushed it actually, it's a frail shadow of it's former self.
The Chinese don't think the same way as the Russians, though. They are xenophobic, genocidal, stone-cold killers.
Looks like we're headed for WWIII. I'm putting my money on 2015.
No the US didn't crush the USSR. The Russian people did. In the streets. It was a crisis of built in socialism. A face to face War with the USSR never happened and would have had no winners. China is a tough one that will be a challenge to America economically. She's already bought heavily into our economy. UNOCAL is next. I hope our country can see past the dollar and recognize the commie atheist threat that China is.
The Chinese don't think the same way as the Russians, though. They are xenophobic, genocidal, stone-cold killers.
Looks like we're headed for WWIII. I'm putting my money on 2015.
No the US didn't crush the USSR. The Russian people did. In the streets. It was a crisis of built in socialism. A face to face War with the USSR never happened and would have had no winners. China is a tough one that will be a challenge to America economically. She's already bought heavily into our economy. UNOCAL is next. I hope our country can see past the dollar and recognize the commie atheist threat that China is.
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MicahLorain wrote: I hope our country can see past the dollar and recognize the commie atheist threat that China is.Well of course it's a commie atheist threat. There is a way to avoid economic defeat, but to even start down that path you have to balance your budget first, and then pay off the bulk of the deficit. Right now, you're not just mortgaging your unborn children's future, you're selling them wholesale. I think you're doing it on the assumption that you can own the world before the world calls in the bailiffs. I think the Chinese are betting you can't.
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We have S.Korea, Japan, SE Asia and bases in Central Asia. China is contained. But she is hungry as capital pours into a comunist system. I think they will fight on the economic front and maybe knocks us out of 1st place soon. They would never invade. Only under the surface. A strong capitalist Russia with nukes would be a good US ally.
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Jives wrote: The Chinese don't think the same way as the Russians, though. They are xenophobic, genocidal, stone-cold killers.Jives, no passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear. Take it from me, if you ask the average propagandized Chinese citizen who the xenophobic, genocidal, stone-cold killers are, they'll pick out the leaders of the USA every time. If you don't feel propagandized too, after all these years, then you've not been following the plot.
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spot wrote: Jives, no passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear. Take it from me, if you ask the average propagandized Chinese citizen who the xenophobic, genocidal, stone-cold killers are, they'll pick out the leaders of the USA every time. If you don't feel propagandized too, after all these years, then you've not been following the plot.
'Plot' being the key word. You could also substitute 'script'.
'Plot' being the key word. You could also substitute 'script'.
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posted by scrat
I do believe that the Imperialist mindset of America plays a role in this along with the British.
China will try to exert influence in the South China sea, the Phillipine Sea and as far away as Oceania. America will not care for this and at some point spats will flare up, very possibly open warfare.
It's the underlying assumption that warfare is inevitable that I find depressing. The days when realpolitik would work are long gone.
posted by Buck Turgidson
'Plot' being the key word. You could also substitute 'script'.
So who plots and why?
I do believe that the Imperialist mindset of America plays a role in this along with the British.
China will try to exert influence in the South China sea, the Phillipine Sea and as far away as Oceania. America will not care for this and at some point spats will flare up, very possibly open warfare.
It's the underlying assumption that warfare is inevitable that I find depressing. The days when realpolitik would work are long gone.
posted by Buck Turgidson
'Plot' being the key word. You could also substitute 'script'.
So who plots and why?
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gmc wrote: It's the underlying assumption that warfare is inevitable that I find depressing. The days when realpolitik would work are long gone.Allow me to express the alternative point of view, then. I don't think anyone can see further than, say, a generation. Call it a quarter century. Within that period, I'm quite sure that no legitimate armed force - no army, navy or air force of any existing nation - is going to undeniably set either foot or weaponry on the mainland USA. The qualification is that special forces may well do it quite often, ours certainly do it all over the place and so do the US. A UK special forces platoon got thrown out of Mexico last year, claiming ludicrously to have been on holiday.
It's rather harder to be confident where the US will stay out of, except that if it's a major league player, or it has existing nuclear weapons - that pair with the "or" includes Indonesia, Pakistan and China - the foregoing applies too. Talk about the US bases encircling China "containing" them is just hot air. If the Chinese found their industrial or military base were being physically attacked, as opposed to merely threatened, all the air superiority in the world wouldn't stop their nuclear response. Any nuclear country will use them if they find themselves pushed beyond a point of no return.
The reason for the first is that risking nuclear retaliation is pointless when the economic demolition of the US seems to be working so efficiently. The reason for the second is that, despite claims to the contrary here, the US has never in living memory had the capability to invade anywhere big league, and has less now than it did a while back.
What happens after the quarter century? A lot of people have been trying hard to develop automated interdiction weaponry that can take the place of infantry. If that gets anywhere, things change. Who knows where DNA-specific research might get to in that time - a pox which targetted by racial characteristic would be a bit of a giveaway. Releasing one would get the same worldwide response that a nuclear strike would invoke, so it's a bit of a red herring. All in all, any scenario where any nation holding a nuclear deterrent, save Israel, being physically invaded, is not going to happen.
An underlying assumption that warfare in Israel is inevitable is far harder to refute. I do hope that the US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan has made that less likely in the long term. A Saudi palace coup, for example, might change the picture in the Middle East radically. The House of Saud are about as popular as the Pahlavis were, and that's not very popular.
It's rather harder to be confident where the US will stay out of, except that if it's a major league player, or it has existing nuclear weapons - that pair with the "or" includes Indonesia, Pakistan and China - the foregoing applies too. Talk about the US bases encircling China "containing" them is just hot air. If the Chinese found their industrial or military base were being physically attacked, as opposed to merely threatened, all the air superiority in the world wouldn't stop their nuclear response. Any nuclear country will use them if they find themselves pushed beyond a point of no return.
The reason for the first is that risking nuclear retaliation is pointless when the economic demolition of the US seems to be working so efficiently. The reason for the second is that, despite claims to the contrary here, the US has never in living memory had the capability to invade anywhere big league, and has less now than it did a while back.
What happens after the quarter century? A lot of people have been trying hard to develop automated interdiction weaponry that can take the place of infantry. If that gets anywhere, things change. Who knows where DNA-specific research might get to in that time - a pox which targetted by racial characteristic would be a bit of a giveaway. Releasing one would get the same worldwide response that a nuclear strike would invoke, so it's a bit of a red herring. All in all, any scenario where any nation holding a nuclear deterrent, save Israel, being physically invaded, is not going to happen.
An underlying assumption that warfare in Israel is inevitable is far harder to refute. I do hope that the US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan has made that less likely in the long term. A Saudi palace coup, for example, might change the picture in the Middle East radically. The House of Saud are about as popular as the Pahlavis were, and that's not very popular.
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China, in my view, will grow increasingly stronger until it's entire military capacity exceeds that of the U.S. and Russsia combined. They will then make threatening gestures towards Taiwan, but will hold off attacking them. Even though the U.S. has agreed to defend Taiwan, they will not want a war with China for a multitude of reasons. China will then be able to use this as a bargaining chip for any thing they want.
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spot wrote: Exactly so. And which nation, precisely, has been most belligerent during your lifetime?
Cambodia. North Korea. Libya. Cuba. My life started in the midst of Russias' beligerence. (cuba 1962) I was born in Texas, not too far away from those missiles russia was pointing at me.
Lets see........Granada, Yugoslavia (remember them?) It was pretty much russia as far as aggressive is concerned. Um......you remember afghanistan BEFORE we went?
Cambodia. North Korea. Libya. Cuba. My life started in the midst of Russias' beligerence. (cuba 1962) I was born in Texas, not too far away from those missiles russia was pointing at me.
Lets see........Granada, Yugoslavia (remember them?) It was pretty much russia as far as aggressive is concerned. Um......you remember afghanistan BEFORE we went?
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Lon wrote: China, in my view, will grow increasingly stronger until it's entire military capacity exceeds that of the U.S. and Russsia combined. They will then make threatening gestures towards Taiwan, but will hold off attacking them. Even though the U.S. has agreed to defend Taiwan, they will not want a war with China for a multitude of reasons. China will then be able to use this as a bargaining chip for any thing they want.
My question is this:
Why would the rest of the world assume the US would give a damn about how they fair against China anyway? If they are so worried over China, let them figure it out.
My question is this:
Why would the rest of the world assume the US would give a damn about how they fair against China anyway? If they are so worried over China, let them figure it out.
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Raven wrote: Cambodia. North Korea. Libya. Cuba. My life started in the midst of Russias' beligerence. (cuba 1962) I was born in Texas, not too far away from those missiles russia was pointing at me.
Lets see........Granada, Yugoslavia (remember them?) It was pretty much russia as far as aggressive is concerned. Um......you remember afghanistan BEFORE we went?It's such an abuse of language, Raven. You've listed all of the countries that the USA has gone to war with, or (in the case of Cuba) tried to starve with sanctions for the last forty years.
Cambodia? Who did Cambodia invade, ever? When was poor Cambodia ever belligerent? The Khmer Rouge came to power in Cambodia as a result of years of US carpet-bombing, after suffering and deaths on an appalling scale.
North Korea invaded South Korea. Score one. They did it because they were encouraged to by Stalin and Mao. Mao encouraged them because Stalin asked him to.
Running total: West of the world, 1: USA dozens.
Libya? Let me guess... Libya invaded... the Sahara? OK, you say so, why not. West of the world, 2: USA dozens.
Cuba? Interesting point, Cuba. They did actually lease out their army on occasion, since the US embargo was preventing them from exporting goods for sale like other nations expect to. OK, Cuba's been belligerent.
And sure, Grenada must have been belligerent sometime. They declared war on... no, it's escaped my mind.
You know how to make out the Vatican State's belligerent? Simple, by your rules - you get the US to invade it. That makes it a belligerent state, just like the others you put down.
Lets see........Granada, Yugoslavia (remember them?) It was pretty much russia as far as aggressive is concerned. Um......you remember afghanistan BEFORE we went?It's such an abuse of language, Raven. You've listed all of the countries that the USA has gone to war with, or (in the case of Cuba) tried to starve with sanctions for the last forty years.
Cambodia? Who did Cambodia invade, ever? When was poor Cambodia ever belligerent? The Khmer Rouge came to power in Cambodia as a result of years of US carpet-bombing, after suffering and deaths on an appalling scale.
North Korea invaded South Korea. Score one. They did it because they were encouraged to by Stalin and Mao. Mao encouraged them because Stalin asked him to.
Running total: West of the world, 1: USA dozens.
Libya? Let me guess... Libya invaded... the Sahara? OK, you say so, why not. West of the world, 2: USA dozens.
Cuba? Interesting point, Cuba. They did actually lease out their army on occasion, since the US embargo was preventing them from exporting goods for sale like other nations expect to. OK, Cuba's been belligerent.
And sure, Grenada must have been belligerent sometime. They declared war on... no, it's escaped my mind.
You know how to make out the Vatican State's belligerent? Simple, by your rules - you get the US to invade it. That makes it a belligerent state, just like the others you put down.
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You forgot Russia.
When has the US been beligerent? We were only in the east because of France. Remember the pan am flight over lockerbie? Ever hear of the killing fields of pol pot? When has the US ever acted like that?
When has the US been beligerent? We were only in the east because of France. Remember the pan am flight over lockerbie? Ever hear of the killing fields of pol pot? When has the US ever acted like that?
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Raven wrote: You forgot Russia.
When has the US been beligerent? We were only in the east because of France. Remember the pan am flight over lockerbie? Ever hear of the killing fields of pol pot? When has the US ever acted like that?Belligerent
A. adj.
1. Waging or carrying on regular recognized war; actually engaged in hostilities; formerly also said of warlike engines, and the like.
B. n.
1. A nation, party, or person waging regular war (recognized by the law of nations).
When has the US been beligerent? We were only in the east because of France. Remember the pan am flight over lockerbie? Ever hear of the killing fields of pol pot? When has the US ever acted like that?Belligerent
A. adj.
1. Waging or carrying on regular recognized war; actually engaged in hostilities; formerly also said of warlike engines, and the like.
B. n.
1. A nation, party, or person waging regular war (recognized by the law of nations).
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Raven wrote: You forgot Russia.Russia: Hungary, 1956. Czechoslovakia, 1968. Afghanistan, 1983. Have I forgotten any?
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It must be easier for spot to be anti-war living in Bhutan! Keep an eye out for Nepals maoists! They are on yoyr doorstep mr peace & love!!!!
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MicahLorain wrote: It must be easier for spot to be anti-war living in Bhutan! Keep an eye out for Nepals maoists! They are on yoyr doorstep mr peace & love!!!!Should I see a Nepalese Maoist, MicahLorain, I'll be sure to mention it to you.
The list that Raven seems to be looking for is here.
The list that Raven seems to be looking for is here.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
China to challenge America?
spot wrote: Russia: Hungary, 1956. Czechoslovakia, 1968. Afghanistan, 1983. Have I forgotten any?
Spot......I know that really hurt you to admit, man.
But dude...nothing you say will ever change my opinion that I come from one of the coolest countries on earth.
I myself defended it. USN 1985-1992 (you might recognise the period of US aggression in the first PG war.) I was a medic.
Personaly I take great pride in the fact that my country is at least willing to defend against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.
So...when you moving to russia? They processing your claim for political asylum yet?
Spot......I know that really hurt you to admit, man.
But dude...nothing you say will ever change my opinion that I come from one of the coolest countries on earth.
I myself defended it. USN 1985-1992 (you might recognise the period of US aggression in the first PG war.) I was a medic.
Personaly I take great pride in the fact that my country is at least willing to defend against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.
So...when you moving to russia? They processing your claim for political asylum yet?
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
China to challenge America?
MicahLorain wrote: It must be easier for spot to be anti-war living in Bhutan!Let me try to clarify this - the flag to the side there isn't Bhutan, it's Wales.I'm not actually in Wales, just within walking distance. A UK ex-serviceman challenged my moral right to show the flag of the UK on my Forum Garden profile, a while ago, and in deference to his valued opinion I took the Union flag down. Since the Union flag was labelled "England" in the system, and there was no UK flag at all, the only one left was the Welsh Dragon so I adopted that for the time being. Rather than claim that Bristol is in Wales, I allowed my home town to revert to its Anglo-Saxon name.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
China to challenge America?
Raven wrote: So...when you moving to russia? They processing your claim for political asylum yet?I was there for a while in the sixties, Raven. I liked the place. I've spent time in Eastern Europe since, but not Russia again, yet. It's on my list of options.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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MicahLorain
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China to challenge America?
spot wrote: Let me try to clarify this - the flag to the side there isn't Bhutan, it's Wales.I'm not actually in Wales, just within walking distance. A UK ex-serviceman challenged my moral right to show the flag of the UK on my Forum Garden profile, a while ago, and in deference to his valued opinion I took the Union flag down. Since the Union flag was labelled "England" in the system, and there was no UK flag at all, the only one left was the Welsh Dragon so I adopted that for the time being. Rather than claim that Bristol is in Wales, I allowed my home town to revert to its Anglo-Saxon name.
Bhutan, Wales, same thing! I was close as far as the look of the flag. You are a really uptight edgy person spot! A move to the States would clear your head and put you on the Right side of the fence I think.
Bhutan, Wales, same thing! I was close as far as the look of the flag. You are a really uptight edgy person spot! A move to the States would clear your head and put you on the Right side of the fence I think.
China to challenge America?
spot wrote: I was there for a while in the sixties, Raven. I liked the place. I've spent time in Eastern Europe since, but not Russia again, yet. It's on my list of options.
How interesting! Even though I was just joking with you about the political asylum thing.
In the sixties, my us army dad was stationed in vietnam.
My best friend lives in croatia. My Russian buddies would look at you like you were nuts......but to each his own. I suppose you would rather you spoke german?
How interesting! Even though I was just joking with you about the political asylum thing.
In the sixties, my us army dad was stationed in vietnam.
My best friend lives in croatia. My Russian buddies would look at you like you were nuts......but to each his own. I suppose you would rather you spoke german?
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
China to challenge America?
MicahLorain wrote: Bhutan, Wales, same thing! I was close as far as the look of the flag. You are a really uptight edgy person spot! A move to the States would clear your head and put you on the Right side of the fence I think.
Nah.......if he's unhappy in Britain, the states would really mess him up!
Nah.......if he's unhappy in Britain, the states would really mess him up!
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
China to challenge America?
Raven wrote: Nah.......if he's unhappy in Britain, the states would really mess him up!I'm very happy in Britain thank you, Raven. You might well be right about the other bit, though. I wouldn't know, I've never thought it safe to find out.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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MicahLorain
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China to challenge America?
I'd be more fearfull in UK with moslem asians as your largest minority!!!
China to challenge America?
MicahLorain wrote: I'd be more fearfull in UK with moslem asians as your largest minority!!!That's par for the course, then. One can recognise an American from a mile off. Faith, Fear, and Fanatical Devotion.
I spend a lot of time with muslims and with English Asians, I've never once felt the least hint of fear, either mine of them or theirs of me.
I spend a lot of time with muslims and with English Asians, I've never once felt the least hint of fear, either mine of them or theirs of me.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
China to challenge America?
Raven wrote: How interesting! Even though I was just joking with you about the political asylum thing.
In the sixties, my us army dad was stationed in vietnam. I can well imagine that he was there while I was in Moscow, then. I know which would have been the more comfortable billet, physically and morally.
Raven wrote: My best friend lives in croatia. My Russian buddies would look at you like you were nuts......but to each his own. I suppose you would rather you spoke german?You know, just this once I might bite. This is such a stupid thing to keep seeing, maybe it's time I had a go at it.
1. Name any country in the last hundred years that changed its language as a result of losing a war. The Kurds in Turkey, perhaps - except they still speak their own language, even though it's not taught in the official schools. Most people in Prussia who stayed after 1945 found it politic to learn Polish, but most Prussians left for Germany, most of the eventual residents were immigrating Poles. Maybe there's an obvious example I haven't remembered, though. The Germans speak French, now? They speak Russian, maybe? The Palestinians and Bedouin all talk Hebrew to each other? Italy uses English as its national tongue? Koreans no longer speak Korean? The Japanese language has fallen into disuse? We found the Afghans all talking Russian?
2. Let me get contentious. Either the result of the First World War would have been the same without any intervention of the Americans, or the Axis would have won. I prefer the first of those contentions, I think the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was the deciding factor of that war, combined with Luddendorf and Hindenberg's greed with regard to their trophy, the Ukraine and the oil-fields at Baka. Without the appearance of the USA at the Versailles Conference, the seeds of World War Two would never have been sown. Failing that, I'd rather that the Axis had won World War One than that World War Two had been scheduled. I maintain, though, that this would not have happened.
3. Let me get even more contentious. The result of the Second World War would have been the same without any intervention of the Americans in Europe. The Germans lost on their Eastern Front, the war in Africa and the war in the West was trivial by comparison and not an essential factor in the result. Had the Americans dealt with their self-induced Pacific Theater and left Europe entirely alone, the Axis would still have been defeated.
Given the choice of US assistance in Europe in either or both World Wars, or a continued policy of strict American isolationism, I'd go for an isolationist USA any day of the week.
VViel Dank für Ihre Unterstützung. Eine andere zeit, Sie konnten in ihrem eigenen Land aufenthalt.
In the sixties, my us army dad was stationed in vietnam. I can well imagine that he was there while I was in Moscow, then. I know which would have been the more comfortable billet, physically and morally.
Raven wrote: My best friend lives in croatia. My Russian buddies would look at you like you were nuts......but to each his own. I suppose you would rather you spoke german?You know, just this once I might bite. This is such a stupid thing to keep seeing, maybe it's time I had a go at it.
1. Name any country in the last hundred years that changed its language as a result of losing a war. The Kurds in Turkey, perhaps - except they still speak their own language, even though it's not taught in the official schools. Most people in Prussia who stayed after 1945 found it politic to learn Polish, but most Prussians left for Germany, most of the eventual residents were immigrating Poles. Maybe there's an obvious example I haven't remembered, though. The Germans speak French, now? They speak Russian, maybe? The Palestinians and Bedouin all talk Hebrew to each other? Italy uses English as its national tongue? Koreans no longer speak Korean? The Japanese language has fallen into disuse? We found the Afghans all talking Russian?
2. Let me get contentious. Either the result of the First World War would have been the same without any intervention of the Americans, or the Axis would have won. I prefer the first of those contentions, I think the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was the deciding factor of that war, combined with Luddendorf and Hindenberg's greed with regard to their trophy, the Ukraine and the oil-fields at Baka. Without the appearance of the USA at the Versailles Conference, the seeds of World War Two would never have been sown. Failing that, I'd rather that the Axis had won World War One than that World War Two had been scheduled. I maintain, though, that this would not have happened.
3. Let me get even more contentious. The result of the Second World War would have been the same without any intervention of the Americans in Europe. The Germans lost on their Eastern Front, the war in Africa and the war in the West was trivial by comparison and not an essential factor in the result. Had the Americans dealt with their self-induced Pacific Theater and left Europe entirely alone, the Axis would still have been defeated.
Given the choice of US assistance in Europe in either or both World Wars, or a continued policy of strict American isolationism, I'd go for an isolationist USA any day of the week.
VViel Dank für Ihre Unterstützung. Eine andere zeit, Sie konnten in ihrem eigenen Land aufenthalt.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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MicahLorain
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China to challenge America?
spot wrote: That's par for the course, then. One can recognise an American from a mile off. Faith, Fear, and Fanatical Devotion.
I spend a lot of time with muslims and with English Asians, I've never once felt the least hint of fear, either mine of them or theirs of me.
Quite a fat brush you use to paint americans. We are more diverse than that! I am a moderate conservative so Christain baiting is ineffective here.
I spend a lot of time with muslims and with English Asians, I've never once felt the least hint of fear, either mine of them or theirs of me.
Quite a fat brush you use to paint americans. We are more diverse than that! I am a moderate conservative so Christain baiting is ineffective here.