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1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed. I don't agree, time has come for a change.

2. Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law. Boy I wish we could.

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy.I agree.

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever.dreamer.

5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare).Not fair I have 5 years till retirement I worked damn hard for my Social Security. I do agree welfare is out of control.

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product.Only some not all.

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you. Wouldn't work for repeat offenders.

8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging.OK

9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty.No what about rapes. Who would be punished the Dr. or the pregnant women, or child who got pregnant because they were raped.

10. Parents can legally spank thier children.NO.

11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice.excellent

12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way.I agree somewhat. Not everyone can afford the cost of private schools, or the Ivy League Colleges. :D
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Jester;809441 wrote: Using my opinons in life in the following catagories please tell me if you fall to my left (more liberal) or my right (more conservative)

1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed. I agree

2. Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law. I agree!!

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy. I agree

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever. I agree

5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare). I have a problem with that, I think it does need to be altered to make sure that people that REALLY need it. And Social Securtiy should be given to our Senior Citizens.

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product. I agree

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you. I agree

8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging.I agree

9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty.

10. Parents can legally spank thier children. I agree

11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice. cool!

12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way. I agree

13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'. I agree!


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[QUOTE]13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'.I agree.[/QUOTE]
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1. well we just wont agree on this one! Fair enough.

4. would you agree we quit borrowing and move towards that direction though?I agree we have to move toward something close to a balanced budget.

5. We'd have to phase folks out, if your in the system now you'd get what your entitled to, but after, well its tough titty said the kitty when the milk ran dry!OK with the exception of disability benefits that are covered by your working SDI payments. But if they run out you can and should be entitiled to SSI disability benefits.

7. Well this is one of those things when I have to anact my more severe penalties all violent crimes are punishable by death. There wont be any repeat offenders except for small time folks. No rapists, violent offedners get back out. They have demonstrated that they cannot olive in society, and forfited their right to a second chance.Now your talking.

9. Its the person who performs the abortion that gets punished in all cases, the rapist gets the death penalty as well. I understand the mother shoud be punished the same way, but not in the case of rape. The mother is innocent in that case.Really torn on this I agree abortion is killing a baby. I'm leaning toward agreement with you on this but not there yet. I remember when they weren't legal and the back room abortions. Not sure it will stop if they are illegal again. I still think its the womens body her choice no one elses.

10. We'd have much less crime and obedience to authority if chidlren were properly admonished and disicplained which includes the abilty to spank a child. Remember under my ideals abuse of a child is a violent crime and punishable by a savere penalty.How does spanking a child slove the problem ever. Believe me I'm from the time when spanking was OK, and I got my share of them growing up. Fear based obedience doesn't always work.

12. We have public education for those that cant afford private, if you want private then you have to pay for it. But public education for those kids who test out at each level should go thorugh colleg as well as K-12. But it has to be by performance.Well then I agree. ;)
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Jester;809441 wrote: Using my opinons in life in the following catagories please tell me if you fall to my left (more liberal) or my right (more conservative)

1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed.

2Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law.

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy.

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever.

5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare).

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product.

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you.

8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging.

9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty.

10. Parents can legally spank thier children.

11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice.

12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way.

13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'.


1) Nope civil partnerships should be allowed-it's up to people to make those kind of decisions.

2) It took 911 for the US to finally realise that the IRA were terrorists and take steps to stop funding them. You wouldn't allow extradition because of fears they might not get a fair trial. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. It would be nice if the US got round to ratifying the extradition treaty between the UK and the US which we signed in 2003 and actually adhere to and you don't. http://dih-itim.blogspot.com/2006/08/uk ... rtain.html

If you have no respect for international law then you should withdraw from the international scene altogether. Stop interfering in other countries woul;d be a better tactic.

3) yes would agree with you there very much. But not unregulated you still need sanctions to prevent monopolies and other anti-competitive practices. Course if you have no respect for international law no one will trade with someone that will brak agreements when they feel like it.

4) Yes. Most government borrowing starts as a means to finance war.

5) No. Government is there to serve the people children should have as a minimum entitlement to free schooling and healthcare. There is something obscene about a society that let's a child die because the parents happen to be poor. How about law enforcement or ambulance and fire services? Are you entitled to expect protection and help when your house burns down?

6) Yes I would agree-always suspected you were a closet hippy.:sneaky:

7) No-certainty of conviction is a better deterrent than severe penalties. The jury system came about so that the motives and circumstances could be taken in to account when deciding guilt or innocence. What you propose sounds like totalitarianism and a police state.

8) No, It's not a deterrent and too many innocent people get executed. Out 7 & 8 together and you have a lynch mob rule or a police state.

9) Nope-it's the woman's choice no one else's. That is the same kind if reasoning that bans the use of contraceptives because it interferes with nature.

10) No-there is something wrong with people who think it's OK to hit children. Although a wee smack sometimes, maybe.

11) You are perhaps a closet anarchist?

12) there's more to education than training children to pass tests.

13) Oh yes definitely, also keep religion out of mainstream education except as a subject that covers ALL religions to appreciate others belief system.

You're fairly liberal in some of your views there aren't you. If you believe in individual freedom and liberty you are a liberal. It comes from the latin for free man liber.



liberal

• adjective 1 willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own. 2 (of a society, law, etc.) favourable to individual rights and freedoms. 3 (in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate reform.


Ostensibly from a country that supports liberal values. But most people are liberal about something and very right wing about others. You come across as a confused, right wing fascist with anarchistic tendencies. You can't preach individual freedom and no government interference and then forbid people from making their own lifestyle choices, execute and imprison without a fair trial and advocate interfering in other countries and still claim you respect the rights of others to make their own choices when you are really saying hey can make a choice so long as it is one you agree with.
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In what way is it possible to be more right wing than that? Serious (if somewhat startled) question.

1) Love is love. No

2) Define "terrorist". No

3) Keeps poor countries poor. No

4) Words like "chance" and "fat" spring to mind. No

5) No

6) Hmm. Interesting, but I need to know what you mean by "negligent use". Is it possible to use PCP in a way that isn't negligent? Just to be consistent: No

7) Charter for Fraud. No

8) No. No. No. Kills the innocent. As entertainment is beyond disgusting. No

9) It's the woman's body. No

10) What is a smack? Is kicking ok? Multiple slapping round the face? (too much personal experience of this one :mad:) No

11) Only possible without a Welfare State. No

12) You advocate the education of stupid 17 year olds in classes of 11 year olds? No

13) I am in favour of the separation of Church and State. I'm not entirely clear what you are getting at, but it looks like a Yes!!!! some mistake, surely. ;)
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[quote=Jester; Using my opinons in life in the following catagories please tell me if you fall to my left (more liberal) or my right (more conservative) Not sure anyone can be to your right, buddy. :D



1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed. Disagree. Let the churches recognize or condemn whatever unions they choose, but it's time for the gov't to get out of the relationship business. NO LEGAL DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE.



2. Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law. Disagree. Terrorist is too nebulous a term. Somebody might shoot a Fire & Brimstone preacher.

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy. Agree.

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever. Disagree. Too difinitive. Good as a rule, but there may come times for exceptions.

5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare). Agree.

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product. Agree.

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you. Disagree. Penalty-based system needs to be abolished & replaced with a different system. I explained it before, I think.

8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging. Agree with public executions, states choose the method. If we're going to kill, we need to stop pretending it's nice, clean, and humane.

9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty. Disagree, sorta. Declare citizenship upon conception. Citizens have rights to life.

10. Parents can legally spank thier children. Agree. You mean they can't?

11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice. Agree with flat tax. Not sure about fair rates.

12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way. Agree.

13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'. How far back will you draw the line for "long held belief"? Most of the religious doogadgetry started in the 1950's, if I'm not mistaken. I assume you want to allow Judeo-Christian symbols exclusively? Sorry, this statement is too sticky in its present form. Disagree.
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Jester;809441 wrote: Using my opinons in life in the following catagories please tell me if you fall to my left (more liberal) or my right (more conservative) I'll have a try, and given the harsh back-and-forth of who says what I'll put all my words in italics from here down.

I understand conservative and liberal and I understand left and right but they don't overlap particularly well.

Conservative is to conserve, to avoid change, you can only do what's legal.

Liberal is to explore variations, to go where nobody's been before, you can do anything that's not illegal.

Left is in the interest of the community at the expense of the interest of the individual.

Right accrues benefit, power and resources to the few at the expense of the masses.

(Consequently Communism and Fascism aren't left and right opposites, they're both left-wing liberal empowerments of the majority at the expense of the minority, they're why the protection of minorities by the legal establishment of rights is an essential part of balancing society against their excesses).

One more word? Radical is neither left nor right, it's taking a position back to its original essential roots from the confused state it's got into over the years. Radical reform is applying the first principles of a party or theory to a problem.

1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed. That doesn't go anywhere near far enough, I'd remove all legal recognition of all marriage contracts. It's not been legally enforceable for a hundred years, after all. It's a religious condition, not a civil condition. Different religions can make up whatever rules for marriage they want and enforce them by expulsion. All the law's concerned with is to permit or forbid certain behaviour like incest or age limits as far as sex goes. What else has the law to do with marriage? On the other hand marriage is central to various religions. Leave the regulation of marriage where it belongs.

2. Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law. I'll allow you to do that the day you give me a definition of terrorist instead of hiding behind the undefined word. You define the word, I'll allow you to kill them all, how's that? If it just means "people I've never met that I don't like" (which I guarantee is exactly what it does mean to you) then no, it's partisan and you can't.

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy. Yay! Jester finally tears down drug prohibition and legalizes the production, import and domestic sale of cocaine and heroin, I've been trying to make the case for that for years. Welcome aboard buddy.

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever. Make it happen, I'll vote for you.

5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare). I insist that you extend this, you're just (again!) aiming at the things you dislike and ignoring the bits you can tolerate. No schooling subsidy, no state pension, no state assistance for the mentally incapable or the disabled or the retarded (pass me some acceptable words, please - I don't know them). You're falling into selective lists again, Jester. Count them all or stop compiling.

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product. We did that in 3, I thought. I don't understand "negligent use" - if you mean locking up people who claim X which is good about a product that actually does Y which is bad then yes, consumers need to be allowed to take all their money.

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you. That's lunacy, Jester. Every criminal, regardless of the crime, to be branded (painlessly, please) on their forehead with the detail of the crime so that society's warned for ever after to be on their guard in those circumstances. "Littered, 2015" next to "Speeding, 2017" for example.

8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging. Nope. No death penalty. It's an abuse, wrongly convicted people are prevented from correcting the mistakes of the courts.

9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty. So long as you're using the word to mean separation from the womb then by all means ban it with more suitable penalties. I'd not make provision for rape or health either, though I'd not call inducing a premature delivery for health reasons abortion.

10. Parents can legally spank thier children. Why make special provision for children? There's things I can do to you that are legal and things that would be classed as assault. Those laws exist. Apply them to what parents do to children. Where's the problem?

11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice. You're talking about taxing people? Ban it entirely. Ban taxes on companies and corporations too. I'd settle for a 1% tax on transferring money. Every time anyone gives any money to anyone 1% of the transfer goes as tax. It's simple, it's a trivial amount, it's no more wildly unfair as anything else and it's easy to enforce so long as cash is made illegal.

12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way. I thought we banned public education earlier? I'll tell you what, if we're having public education at all, I'll allow you "driven" if you'll add "guaranteed", with no cut-off age at the top since you've no cut-off age at the bottom. Fail a test, you're thrown out of public schooling. Pass a test and you get to the next year.

13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'. Rubbish. Many of the Founding Fathers had rejected Judeo-Christian belief, for one thing. Atheism can be as moral a stance as any religious position. Open a chink in this curtain and all the Jerry Falwells will be sucking the blood of the country for eternity. There should be a large placard over every courtroom and every legislature saying "this House neither believes nor disbelieves in God" to make the Separation of Church and State clear. God's an irrelevance to the State.
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Accountable;809662 wrote: 13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'. How far back will you draw the line for "long held belief"? Most of the religious doogadgetry started in the 1950's, if I'm not mistaken. I assume you want to allow Judeo-Christian symbols exclusively? Sorry, this statement is too sticky in its present form. Disagree.
I misread this one. Agree with all except the symbol part. I assume you want to allow Judeo-Christian symbols exclusively?
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Accountable;809684 wrote: I assume you want to allow Judeo-Christian symbols exclusively?What, out of interest, is a Judeo-Christian symbol? Could somebody describe one please?
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spot;809708 wrote: What, out of interest, is a Judeo-Christian symbol? Could somebody describe one please?
He's talking about the cross, crucifix, star of David, menorrah, stuff like that. Lately tablets representing the 10 commandments have been raising a stir as well.



For some reason, the Christmas tree have been thrown on this pile as Christian symbol as well. Go figger.
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Oh come on, they're all of them either Judaic or they're Christian, none of them are common to both religions. The cross or crucifix is an offensive symbol in Judaic terms. The commandments are common but how do you make a symbol out of those?
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Jester;809441 wrote: Using my opinons in life in the following catagories please tell me if you fall to my left (more liberal) or my right (more conservative)



1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed.You want seperation from church and state then you want laws to determine who can marry? Who cares if they marry, by not allowing them to marry you haven't stopped them from "living in sin" so to speak. this is a religous aspect not a lawful outlook. imo

2. Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law. The problem with this is who decodes whom is a terroist?

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy.agree

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever.agree

5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare).as long as they give me my money back that i have paid into it.

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product. agree

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you.it would depend on the laws

8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging.only in cases that resulted in death and are beyond any speculation as to guilt.

9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty.my wife had a baby die in the womb at 7 months, had a DNC? they called it an abortion. I am not for abortion but that doesn't mean I can decide for others.

10. Parents can legally spank thier children.Spank-ok. Hit or abuse with instruments to inflict pain--no way i.e. belts, paddles etc etc, Although I never touched my kids and they turned out fine.

11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice.agree

12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way.Disagree, kids need every opportunity to recieve as much education as possible

13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'.


Agree, so why do we constantly question the religous beliefs of our politictions?
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Clodhopper;809564 wrote: 7) Charter for Fraud. No:-2 How so?
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spot;809718 wrote: Oh come on, they're all of them either Judaic or they're Christian, none of them are common to both religions. The cross or crucifix is an offensive symbol in Judaic terms. The commandments are common but how do you make a symbol out of those?
I assumed you asked for examples. You didn't ask for a defense of English abuse. :p
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Accountable: A small time con artist could do his time, be released and then repeat ad nauseam, which is te example I was thinking of.

Or a different example not about fraud: this Aussie twit who killed 6 teenagers when he swerved off the road - doesn't it make a difference to the way we regard the incident if he's got several previous convictions for drunk and dangerous driving? If anything I'd go the opposite way - previous relevant (and I know we can argue about what is relevant!) convictions should always be known to the Court.
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1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed.Don't agree. I think it's time for same sex marriages to be recognized by the gov't.

2. Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law.No way. What some might consider a terrorist, isn't in another person's eye.

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy.Agree



4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever.wouldn't that be nice, don't ever see it happening though



5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare).

Don't agree. I think the programs are good when folks use them as they are intended, and not choose them for a lifestyle.

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product.

Yes legalize them, but making laws regarding negligent use could backfire. Laws could then be enacted on the overuse of caffeine, the bad fats, sugar.



7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you.For certain crimes sure, but have to disagree about this when it comes to sexual predators, cold-blooded murderers



8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging.I'm stuck on this one. I don't think public executions are going to deter criminals.



9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty.No, I think that's to extreme.



10. Parents can legally spank thier children.Agree



11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice.Might work, but the poorer people would still be paying more of the their total income than the richer people.



12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way.Umm..public education is already driven by testing to move to the next level, as i see it. I think parents should be responsible in their child's education. But what about the kids who's parents don't care, do we just let them go by the wayside?



13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government,agree but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'.I can agree with this
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Jester;809441 wrote:

1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed. Marriage in the religious sense is only between hetero couples, gay couples can't marry in church. Gay couples can have a civil partnership allowing the same legal rights as straight couples. (in the UK) I think this is fair.

2. Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law. Yeah, right - that'll work!! Do you want to decide who is a terrorist 'cos I certainly wouldn't

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy.

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever. For all countries or just your own? What about after a terrible natural disaster and a country needs help to get back on it's feet, they won't get everything in foreign aid - would you deny them the chance to borrow to help their people?

5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare). Some social payments are necessary for those who can't help themselves through ill health or is it just tough luck if you're ill??

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product. Absolutely not.

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you. Surely you'd want to know if a paedophile was living next door, I would, I couldn't accept that a time in prison would have cured them of their urges.......

8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging. I'm not convinced that the death penalty is a deterrent and carrying it out in public is barbaric

9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty. Rape, threat to mother's life, severely handicapped.....I want choice.

10. Parents can legally spank thier children. No

11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice. Ok in principle but what if everyone favours just one fund?

12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way. Over here our kids have more than enough testing as it is - don't want any more!

13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'.

Slightly different in the UK - our founding religions had nothing to do with Christianity. Our Queen is our head of state and the head of the church of England, I'm quite happy with that.


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Clodhopper;809972 wrote: Accountable: A small time con artist could do his time, be released and then repeat ad nauseam, which is te example I was thinking of.



Or a different example not about fraud: this Aussie twit who killed 6 teenagers when he swerved off the road - doesn't it make a difference to the way we regard the incident if he's got several previous convictions for drunk and dangerous driving? If anything I'd go the opposite way - previous relevant (and I know we can argue about what is relevant!) convictions should always be known to the Court.
I believe Jester was referring to our sex offender list, which follows one for life even if his offense was having sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend when he was 18. Correct me if I'm wrong, Jes'.
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Sheryl;809981 wrote: 11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice.Might work, but the poorer people would still be paying more of the their total income than the richer people.Huh? How?



Imladris;810002 wrote: 7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you. Surely you'd want to know if a paedophile was living next door, I would, I couldn't accept that a time in prison would have cured them of their urges.......

Then why let them out of prison?
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Accountable;810079 wrote: Huh? How?






Is this a flat end of year income tax, or flat sales tax? My reasoning for my comment was if it's a flat end of year tax. Would be different if it's a sales tax.
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No, you're assuming there a tax-free band. A flat 4% tax on either sales or on income is neutral when it comes to the poor or the rich paying a higher proportion of their money.
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Ohh ok. Thanks spot!
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1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed. Up until 4 or 5 years ago, I would have said definately!

But as getting more mature, beginning to understand that people M/F, just want to live their lives as best as they see fit. Who am I to judge them!

2. Military/Diplomacy: Kill every terrorists in every country regardless of international law. Absolutely!

3. Total and open free trade based on product desire and let the consumer drive the economy. Absolutely!

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever. Not practicle, can't, & dont want to wait years for Country to pay cash for everything we need now!

5. No government entitlements. (no social security, no healthcare, no welfare). SS should be used for just that, SS and nothing else! Healthcare needs the govt to put a cap on their skyrocketing costs! Welfare S/B for a "limited" time only, just like unemployment checks. Absolutely no "hand-me-down" Welfare benifits from one generation to the next!

6. Legalize all substances, make laws regarding the negligent use of any product. Legalization would be good, but addicts would still be a problem!

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you. Not practicle with repeat offenders, many of them are mentally sick, & need supervision/tracking, & sometimes re-incarceration.

8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging. Absolutely! You kill me, mine kill you!

9. Outlaw all forms of abortion, its murder and is punishable by the death penalty. Not practicle, some special cases require intervention!

10. Parents can legally spank thier children. Absolutely!

11. Flat Tax, no more than 4%. With 2% of your total tax payment going to the agencies of your choice. Absolutely!

12. Public education is driven by testing to move to the next level, private education is optional. Parents are responsible either way. Not practicle, parents can't be responsible for a lackluster educator!

13. Seperation of Church and State shall be claryfied and defined to mean that no one denomination or sect shall at any time assume a role of lawmaking power in the government, but that the traditions and symbols of our founding influencial religions (Judeo-Christian) shall be permissable in public areas. The use of the generic term 'God' attributes to tradition of long helf belief and does not constitute a government recommndation to follow 'God'. AMEN!
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Jester;810345 wrote: 12. No I do not, I need to define my school issue better. In principle is what Im talking about. Test up, or repeat the grade, at some point the parent needs to realize the kid aint that smart, so it may be better for him to go to work, not everybody has the intelligenc to move to college and some just flat out dont want to. Also I suppose we can group the kids who repeated fail in smaller class sizes for a better chance to learn.
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1. Marriage: Between a man and woman only, no exceptions, no domestic partnerships allowed. Disagree. Let the churches recognize or condemn whatever unions they choose, but it's time for the gov't to get out of the relationship business. NO LEGAL DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. Interesting I have heard you say this before, and with my flat tax idea all incentives for family building are out, I may be inclined to agree then, but. I'm against same sex unions period I think they are a blight on human society, so I wont cave on this one. I'll add that folks who get married and stay married to opposite gender poeple pay 3% tax. That will help with the strong family incentive.Use the moral church to influence morality, and the legalistic government for the rest.

4. Total balanced budget, no borrowing ever. Disagree. Too difinitive. Good as a rule, but there may come times for exceptions. Name an exception?Which is why I said there may come times. :D

7. Penelties for lawbreakers are severe, and swift punishment is carried out but when your are done paying you are done, no more system to track you or stigmatize you. Disagree. Penalty-based system needs to be abolished & replaced with a different system. I explained it before, I think. Link me that would you?Accountable;768014 wrote: I don't think gov't should be involved in anything so emotional as punishment. If a person commits a crime, that person has proven himself a detriment to society. We should remove that detriment (put him in prison) until he can prove himself a benefit to society. I once thought that we should devote some tightly budgeted funds to help rehabilitate, but there are literally thousands of millionaires willing to foot the bill on their own. Let them. But the criminal stays in prison until he uses his own initiative to rehab himself.



A finite sentence does nothing but punish.




8. Inact the death penelty by public hanging. Agree with public executions, states choose the method. If we're going to kill, we need to stop pretending it's nice, clean, and humane. No this one surprised me a bit with you. But Im glad we agree.

Goes with my philosophy of accountability. I you have to do something ugly, at least be honest about it.
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