Real or fake? Marine throws puppy over cliff.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:57 pm

I call fake. It just isn't right to make an American soldier look so cruel. That was just wrong to post.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:00 pm

Didn't watch it. What's the point of posting it?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:37 am

Scrat;792442 wrote: NV and AC. I posted it for more than one reason. I don't like it at all, I think it is cheap sick entertainment meant to get attention. Bullshit. You thought it important enough not only to pay attention to it yourself, but to try to get us all to pay attention.

Scrat wrote: It should also really tell you something about the mentality of some of the people we have over in Iraq, protecting us. Like it or not the actions of the people at Abu Ghraib, Hidatha and Fallujah have reflected on us here in America. Bullshit. You wrote "I'm calling fake on this one." Why would something fake tell us anything about anyone but the one who posted it?

Scrat wrote: Does this tell you something?Yes indeed.

Scrat wrote: And my last reason is frankly the fact that I never have liked Marines.Last reason, only reason.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:21 pm

Accountable;792577 wrote: Bullshit. You thought it important enough not only to pay attention to it yourself, but to try to get us all to pay attention.

Bullshit. You wrote "I'm calling fake on this one." Why would something fake tell us anything about anyone but the one who posted it?

Yes indeed.

Last reason, only reason.

Are you suggesting that they are not genuine soldiers?

Are you suggesting that they're being forced to do this?

Are you suggesting that it is acceptable behaviour?

If the answer to all three is no then bringing it into the public's view is justified and tells us a lot about the people involved.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:08 pm

You cannot judge a group of people by the actions of one or two people. I'm sure alot of folks here who have family members who are Marines do not like them being referred to as the scrapings at the bottom of the barrel.

Also, with so many stories out there of soldiers having dogs they've taken in in Iraq being shipped home, I think there's more humane soldiers than you would like to believe.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:25 pm

Jester;793820 wrote: I think hes a bit old for my daughter but, I'd have him for dinner, and the subject of the pup wouldnt even come up. We'd be too busy talking about taking rpg's and how far out we each reached out and touched a terrorist with our pig blood dipped 'special rounds'...

First theres no conclusive proof its real.

But lets go on the assumption it is, so what? Do you think he cares one second about a puppy when hes got his ass on the line in battle? Puppy tossing, although grossly cruel in the real world, its like spitting on the sidewalk for him.

He dosnt know if he'll live passed sunday dinner.

Its a matter of perspective.

Ya know, there's another thread here somewhere about a guy cutting off the head of a fifteen month old child in front of its mother because they were arguing...

Quite a bit of life's horror appears to be caused by the unique perspectives of one person or another..

I don't accept that as an excuse. Sorry

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:23 am

Bryn Mawr;793687 wrote: Are you suggesting that they are not genuine soldiers?

Are you suggesting that they're being forced to do this?

Are you suggesting that it is acceptable behaviour?

If the answer to all three is no then bringing it into the public's view is justified and tells us a lot about the people involved.
As I first posted, I didn't watch the video. I'm not suggesting anything and didn't think I was particularly vague about what I wanted to say.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:35 am

Sheryl;793809 wrote: You cannot judge a group of people by the actions of one or two people. You sure? This is Scrat, after all. He makes judgments of this type all day long.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:57 am

Jester;793925 wrote: I did not offer it as an excuse. I still dont believe its real. and I'm more pissed off at the raking over the coals of yet another military person and then extending it to every marine in the corp.

Oh darlin' I didn't even look at the dang thing... Scrats has conditioned me to ignore most of what he/she/it posts.:wah:

But I do read what you post.... so behave yourself!:p:D

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:53 am

Accountable;793995 wrote: As I first posted, I didn't watch the video. I'm not suggesting anything and didn't think I was particularly vague about what I wanted to say.

You called bullsh!t without knowing what was being discussed?

You certainly appeared to suggest that the video should not have been given airtime.

I gave three criteria that would reasonably justify it being given that airtime - by saying "what's the point of posting it" and calling bullsh!t on the reply you are certainly suggesting that, at the very least, those three justifications do not apply.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:07 am

Bryn Mawr;794281 wrote: You called bullsh!t without knowing what was being discussed?

You certainly appeared to suggest that the video should not have been given airtime.

I gave three criteria that would reasonably justify it being given that airtime - by saying "what's the point of posting it" and calling bullsh!t on the reply you are certainly suggesting that, at the very least, those three justifications do not apply.

I call bullshit without looking at it too. What's the first sentence of the OP?:-2

What was the point of posting this into Current Events ... especially if you believe going in that it is fake? Wouldn't Conspiracy Theories have been a more appropriate place for it?:-2

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:53 pm

Bryn Mawr;794281 wrote: You called bullsh!t without knowing what was being discussed?Keep it in context, Bryn. Scrat;792442 wrote: NV and AC. I posted it for more than one reason. I don't like it at all, I think it is cheap sick entertainment meant to get attention. Accountable;792577 wrote: Bullshit. You thought it important enough not only to pay attention to it yourself, but to try to get us all to pay attention.
The OP has nothing to do with puppy empathy; it has nothing to do with truth. The real reason Scrat brought this tripe into the Garden at all was:Scrat wrote: And my last reason is frankly the fact that I never have liked Marines.I believe this is the one and only reason he took the trouble to copy it. That belief is based on hundreds, if not thousands, of times he's done so in the past. He hates the Marines and hates America, and a case can be made that he hates Americana. Anything he can find to push his agenda forward, he uses, truth or not.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:18 am

Thank you for not insulting our intelligence by denying your motives.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:26 pm

flopstock;794425 wrote: I call bullshit without looking at it too. What's the first sentence of the OP?:-2

What was the point of posting this into Current Events ... especially if you believe going in that it is fake? Wouldn't Conspiracy Theories have been a more appropriate place for it?:-2

And you never make your own mind about things?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:27 pm

Accountable;795027 wrote: Keep it in context, Bryn.

Fist tell me where I'm out of context

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:15 am

Bryn Mawr;798158 wrote: Fist tell me where I'm out of context
:-2 Huh? I thought I explained it pretty thoroughly here

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... stcount=28

My comments were only about Scrat's motivation for posting. You kept responding as if I were commenting on the content of the video.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:27 am

Accountable;798242 wrote: :-2 Huh? I thought I explained it pretty thoroughly here

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... stcount=28

My comments were only about Scrat's motivation for posting. You kept responding as if I were commenting on the content of the video.

Motivation, in this instance, is immaterial. The question is, was there any justification for posting it and does it raise any issues that need addressing.

You appear to suggest not in both cases, I would disagree.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:21 am

Jester;793820 wrote: I think hes a bit old for my daughter but, I'd have him for dinner, and the subject of the pup wouldnt even come up. We'd be too busy talking about taking rpg's and how far out we each reached out and touched a terrorist with our pig blood dipped 'special rounds'...

First theres no conclusive proof its real.

But lets go on the assumption it is, so what? Do you think he cares one second about a puppy when hes got his ass on the line in battle? Puppy tossing, although grossly cruel in the real world, its like spitting on the sidewalk for him.

He dosnt know if he'll live passed sunday dinner.

Its a matter of perspective.

This is a little worrying Jester.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:28 am

Surviving in a war zone, defending your country and fellow soldiers is one thing. But unnecessary cruelty for pleasure is something else.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:36 am

Bryn Mawr;798253 wrote: Motivation, in this instance, is immaterial. The question is, was there any justification for posting it and does it raise any issues that need addressing.

You appear to suggest not in both cases, I would disagree.
Scrat's motivation is absolutely material! It's the only real thing in the OP. Scrat himself believes the video to be fake, so any valid questions it might raise would be along the lines of what software did he use, etc. To try to drag the Marine reputation through the mud based on a known lie is simply evil. Are you evil, Bryn?

When is a lie ever justified, Bryn?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:50 am

ThePheasant;798383 wrote: This is a little worrying Jester.

It's more than a little worrying - it's saying that it's OK to turn our soldiers into monsters because they might be killed tomorrow!

Not only is that so wrong in itself but it begs the question whether it's OK for them to be monsters when they come home afterwards?

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:55 am

Bryn Mawr;798424 wrote: It's more than a little worrying - it's saying that it's OK to turn our soldiers into monsters because they might be killed tomorrow!

Not only is that so wrong in itself but it begs the question whether it's OK for them to be monsters when they come home afterwards?

Its very scary to think that some people find it acceptable to train monsters who will no longer be safe in society