Since Truthbringer is apparently less interested in discussion than in simply dumping his verbose opinions & theories, I figured I would pull this out for general discussion:
TruthBringer;760093 wrote: [...]
Don't have to wear a chipped uniform to work? Your RFID-enabled employee badge could do the spying instead. One day, these devices could tell management who you're chatting with at the water cooler and how long you've spent in the restroom and even whether or not you've washed your hands. There's already a product called iHygiene that can monitor the handwashing habits of RFID-tagged employees during bathroom visits.
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Accountable;760162 wrote: I really don't have the time to read your volumes, Truth. I scanned a few paragraphs and saw this. You seem to be implying that such things are bad. Why is this bad?
I understand the implications of giving the gov't such power over the citizenry, but this particular use seems like a great idea to me.
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Well, I'm all for the handwashing aspect, as it makes me crazy when I see people come out of the john and leave without washing, but I'd have to draw the line at that. Monitoring who talks to who and who spends 10 minutes too long in the bathroom and probably myriad other things I can't think of right now, is just going too far. In truth, even the handwashing thing is going too far, but I'd still go for that.
I firmly believe that our personal freedoms are being eroded slowly but surely. People say "I've got nothing to hide" but they're not getting it. I think the fact that this stuff has been slipped in ever so slowly and concretely into our everyday living, and is still being incorporated into our daily life, owes its doing so directly to "I've got nothing to hide."
I firmly believe that our personal freedoms are being eroded slowly but surely. People say "I've got nothing to hide" but they're not getting it. I think the fact that this stuff has been slipped in ever so slowly and concretely into our everyday living, and is still being incorporated into our daily life, owes its doing so directly to "I've got nothing to hide."
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We just installed hand-print recognition time-clocks in December. Prior to that folks were filling out time-cards manually(honor system).
We are now implementing a policy of 'unless your job requires you to leave the premises, you can't go off company property while on company time...and paid breaks are company time. We've had a 'no smoking' on company premises for years... everyone just went out to the alley in back.
But now that nonsmokers are forced to be here when they are supposed to be here, it bugs the heck out of them that smokers have just been wandering off for fifteen minutes every hour or so...:wah:
We do have waterless soap dispensers at each of the clocks and nope... haven't had to refill them once... how gross are these people!!!!:p
We are now implementing a policy of 'unless your job requires you to leave the premises, you can't go off company property while on company time...and paid breaks are company time. We've had a 'no smoking' on company premises for years... everyone just went out to the alley in back.
But now that nonsmokers are forced to be here when they are supposed to be here, it bugs the heck out of them that smokers have just been wandering off for fifteen minutes every hour or so...:wah:
We do have waterless soap dispensers at each of the clocks and nope... haven't had to refill them once... how gross are these people!!!!:p
Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!
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RedGlitter;763986 wrote: Well, I'm all for the handwashing aspect, as it makes me crazy when I see people come out of the john and leave without washing, but I'd have to draw the line at that. Monitoring who talks to who and who spends 10 minutes too long in the bathroom and probably myriad other things I can't think of right now, is just going too far. In truth, even the handwashing thing is going too far, but I'd still go for that.
I firmly believe that our personal freedoms are being eroded slowly but surely. People say "I've got nothing to hide" but they're not getting it. I think the fact that this stuff has been slipped in ever so slowly and concretely into our everyday living, and is still being incorporated into our daily life, owes its doing so directly to "I've got nothing to hide."
This isn't about government intrusion into our private lives. Doesn't an employer have the right to know if he's getting what he's paying for in salary?
I firmly believe that our personal freedoms are being eroded slowly but surely. People say "I've got nothing to hide" but they're not getting it. I think the fact that this stuff has been slipped in ever so slowly and concretely into our everyday living, and is still being incorporated into our daily life, owes its doing so directly to "I've got nothing to hide."
This isn't about government intrusion into our private lives. Doesn't an employer have the right to know if he's getting what he's paying for in salary?
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grh;764183 wrote: We just installed hand-print recognition time-clocks in December. Prior to that folks were filling out time-cards manually(honor system).
We are now implementing a policy of 'unless your job requires you to leave the premises, you can't go off company property while on company time...and paid breaks are company time. We've had a 'no smoking' on company premises for years... everyone just went out to the alley in back.
But now that nonsmokers are forced to be here when they are supposed to be here, it bugs the heck out of them that smokers have just been wandering off for fifteen minutes every hour or so...:wah:
We do have waterless soap dispensers at each of the clocks and nope... haven't had to refill them once... how gross are these people!!!!:p
My last employer's insurer required that there be no smoking on the property ... not even in the parking lot. They came to check occassionally to make sure we were complying.
We are now implementing a policy of 'unless your job requires you to leave the premises, you can't go off company property while on company time...and paid breaks are company time. We've had a 'no smoking' on company premises for years... everyone just went out to the alley in back.
But now that nonsmokers are forced to be here when they are supposed to be here, it bugs the heck out of them that smokers have just been wandering off for fifteen minutes every hour or so...:wah:
We do have waterless soap dispensers at each of the clocks and nope... haven't had to refill them once... how gross are these people!!!!:p
My last employer's insurer required that there be no smoking on the property ... not even in the parking lot. They came to check occassionally to make sure we were complying.
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Accountable;764276 wrote: This isn't about government intrusion into our private lives. Doesn't an employer have the right to know if he's getting what he's paying for in salary?
Oh, sorry! I misunderstood.
I'd have to answer then "at what cost to personal human dignity?" It might not sound that bad that your boss may know who you're talking with in the breakroom or how many times the toilet paper roll spun, but I think there's a level of decency that should not be compromised. If they really want to know down to the last iota what they're getting for their money, they should employ robots that have built-in sensors, not human beings. I don't think humans should be treated as if they're nothing more than machines to be monitored.
Oh, sorry! I misunderstood.
I'd have to answer then "at what cost to personal human dignity?" It might not sound that bad that your boss may know who you're talking with in the breakroom or how many times the toilet paper roll spun, but I think there's a level of decency that should not be compromised. If they really want to know down to the last iota what they're getting for their money, they should employ robots that have built-in sensors, not human beings. I don't think humans should be treated as if they're nothing more than machines to be monitored.
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Accountable;764281 wrote: My last employer's insurer required that there be no smoking on the property ... not even in the parking lot. They came to check occassionally to make sure we were complying.
Even as a nonsmoker that offends me a bit, that "checking up" on people. Even so, I'd rather have another human coming to spy on me than say, have a company smoke sensor that goes off if I've been smoking on my lunch hour.
Even as a nonsmoker that offends me a bit, that "checking up" on people. Even so, I'd rather have another human coming to spy on me than say, have a company smoke sensor that goes off if I've been smoking on my lunch hour.
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Accountable;764281 wrote: My last employer's insurer required that there be no smoking on the property ... not even in the parking lot. They came to check occassionally to make sure we were complying.
What cracks me up is the outraged 'they can't tell me I can't smoke anymore!' We aren't telling them they can't do it, they just can't do it on the company dime or property and keep their job...:wah:
What's even funnier to me personally is that I quit smoking for my daughter as one of her Christmas gifts....had no idea any of this was coming..:wah:
What cracks me up is the outraged 'they can't tell me I can't smoke anymore!' We aren't telling them they can't do it, they just can't do it on the company dime or property and keep their job...:wah:
What's even funnier to me personally is that I quit smoking for my daughter as one of her Christmas gifts....had no idea any of this was coming..:wah:
Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!
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Yup. The company is saving money on insurance so that they can both make a profit and give better employee benefits.
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fuzzy butt;764479 wrote: Oh this is making me think of our IR laws . We all have rights as citizens and the government would never dream of taking them away!!!!!!!so what they did is make changes in the law to give employers rights over employees which in effect took away our citizen rights...
and the government got booted out because of it. Now they are reversing the laws. My sons will get a proper pay under our national laws intsead of the gimmie a head job and I'll pay you for your overtime ..........................Thankyou mr Rudd for saving my children from unscrupulas demons.
Which citizen rights do you mean?
I'm really interested because some people feel that they are entitled to a job, even though the company belongs to someone else, often a person rather than a group of investors.
and the government got booted out because of it. Now they are reversing the laws. My sons will get a proper pay under our national laws intsead of the gimmie a head job and I'll pay you for your overtime ..........................Thankyou mr Rudd for saving my children from unscrupulas demons.
Which citizen rights do you mean?
I'm really interested because some people feel that they are entitled to a job, even though the company belongs to someone else, often a person rather than a group of investors.