when you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't see the truth"
The above statement was made by James Corbett, a history teacher in California. He has had a lawsuit filed against him by one of his students. I know public teachers are not allowed to promote a religion in their classrooms. So should those who are severely anti-religion be allowed to promote their views?
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"Girls are crazy! I'm not ever getting married, I can make my own sandwiches!"
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NO..
[QUOTE]when you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't see the truth"
The above statement was made by James Corbett, a history teacher in California. He has had a lawsuit filed against him by one of his students. I know public teachers are not allowed to promote a religion in their classrooms. So should those who are severely anti-religion be allowed to promote their views?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]when you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't see the truth"
The above statement was made by James Corbett, a history teacher in California. He has had a lawsuit filed against him by one of his students. I know public teachers are not allowed to promote a religion in their classrooms. So should those who are severely anti-religion be allowed to promote their views?[/QUOTE]
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MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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If that were all he said, in the context of a history lesson, it might have been fine but he went a lot further than that according to the allegation. If the allegation is exactly true - and the complainant claims to have a tape recording of a lot more - then I suspect the teacher shouldn't be teaching.
As for "when you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't see the truth" that's an abbreviated re-statement of a self-observation by Jim White in 2004 referring to his upbringing in the American South, thatI see the world through a pair of what I call Jesus glasses. If I take the Jesus glasses off, I'm blind. The difference between me and the other people in the South is real simple: with every step that I take and every word that I utter there's a little subtitle which says, "Don't take it too seriously because I'm wearing Jesus glasses". I can't take them off. I can't not see the world through that context, but I can remind myself that it's a tainted context of the world.which makes a lot of sense when said to a history class of 16 year olds, warning them of the inevitability of their cultural bias in assessing the past.
As for "when you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't see the truth" that's an abbreviated re-statement of a self-observation by Jim White in 2004 referring to his upbringing in the American South, thatI see the world through a pair of what I call Jesus glasses. If I take the Jesus glasses off, I'm blind. The difference between me and the other people in the South is real simple: with every step that I take and every word that I utter there's a little subtitle which says, "Don't take it too seriously because I'm wearing Jesus glasses". I can't take them off. I can't not see the world through that context, but I can remind myself that it's a tainted context of the world.which makes a lot of sense when said to a history class of 16 year olds, warning them of the inevitability of their cultural bias in assessing the past.
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Interesting spot.
On O'Reilly tonight, they had the played the recording. It's wasn't very nice. It's not posted yet, on the site. But last night's interview with the student is. I haven't watched it yet.
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/index.html
On O'Reilly tonight, they had the played the recording. It's wasn't very nice. It's not posted yet, on the site. But last night's interview with the student is. I haven't watched it yet.
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/index.html
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Out out curiosity do americans get taught about the age of enlightenment, the development of liberalism etc , Not being facetious just curious. Can't of hard to study things like the protestant reformation without being critical of religion and what was behind it. I don't see how you can study your constitution or appreciate it without understanding where it all came from. Also terms like left wing and right wing
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I think this teacher was VERY wrong to say that - some of his children may believe and others not - he has no right to make such statements. 
Although I am not a religious person, I do wish the U.S. school would teach about different religious beliefs - not preach, but teach. I think children need to know about religion to understand the world and its cultures.
At grade 7 my son has had no teaching about religion at school (he has at home), maybe they do later .......
not sure.
Although I am not a religious person, I do wish the U.S. school would teach about different religious beliefs - not preach, but teach. I think children need to know about religion to understand the world and its cultures.
At grade 7 my son has had no teaching about religion at school (he has at home), maybe they do later .......
not sure.
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I used to do escort service ( no not that kind:rolleyes:) with my husband in his taxi, picking up disabled children, or maybe children that were in foster care, to take them to school and take them home. One boy came out of school one day very worried and perplexed because the teacher had told him that there was no god!!! I couldnt believe it! The child was quite sad and shocked, he kept asking me does he? does he exist? Is he real? I was a bit stunned and didnt really know what to tell him, in the end i just said i think he exists if you believe in him. He seemed to want to believe and was upset at the thought there wasnt a god. I was so mad at that teacher:mad:
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That sounds a very likely reaction Kaz and a good reason why teachers should stay well clear of imposing their belief system on any pupil, Atheism is just as much a belief as a fundamentalist inerrant bible position is. Even teaching religion has nothing to do with imposing belief. My children had weekly classes in religion for years but they were never given an indication of the teachers' beliefs, the teachers had professional standards. Classes in practising faith weren't offered and while they'd have been interesting classes they'd not have been suitable to a school environment.
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no, they shouldn't allowed to promote their "Anti-religiosity"
and the teacher doesn't deserve to be sued either. he should get repremanded by the school board and and the very worst and day or two suspension.
But that isn't necessary, i don't think.
but since it happened in Uber-liberal, hippee California, i'm sure he'll get fired, have to pay the jackass kid millions, and probably end up in jail.
and the teacher doesn't deserve to be sued either. he should get repremanded by the school board and and the very worst and day or two suspension.
But that isn't necessary, i don't think.
but since it happened in Uber-liberal, hippee California, i'm sure he'll get fired, have to pay the jackass kid millions, and probably end up in jail.
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
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Wolverine;742809 wrote: but since it happened in Uber-liberal, hippee California, i'm sure he'll get fired, have to pay the jackass kid millions, and probably end up in jail.
The secret is to vote for sensible candidates, Wolfie. In a few generations you'll end up with a useable system that way.
The secret is to vote for sensible candidates, Wolfie. In a few generations you'll end up with a useable system that way.
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kazalala;742665 wrote: I used to do escort service ( yes that kind:rolleyes:)
i know what i'm doing on Summer vacation next year
i know what i'm doing on Summer vacation next year
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
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I would have to know in what context this was said before I could say the teacher was wrong. As for promoting one's religion at school, I don't see anything wrong with basic conversation (I happen to be Lutheran...blablabla) but to outright say that religion is right or wrong is as bad as saying evolution is right or wrong. Teach both as options. Not as definites. If I say the teacher was wrong, then I take a chink out of free speech which is something I hold dear. Again, I would like to hear the conversation that preceded the comment.
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RedGlitter;742917 wrote: to outright say that religion is right or wrong is as bad as saying evolution is right or wrong. Teach both as options. Not as definites.Maintaining that evolution is wrong requires belief, maintaining it's right requires the presentation of evidence in support of the scientific definitions and there's a huge array of evidence to hand. Supporting the belief involves turning a wilfully blind eye to the evidence. One is definite, the other rejects reality.
That conflict doesn't exist in the matter of religion - both sides are interpretations of the same material. Both are expressions of belief without evidence. Both hinge on definitions. Neither is definite. How on earth can you teach both though? Why would you want to sully the classroom experience by bringing in something so irrelevant to education? Why would you want to teach either belief or non-belief?
That conflict doesn't exist in the matter of religion - both sides are interpretations of the same material. Both are expressions of belief without evidence. Both hinge on definitions. Neither is definite. How on earth can you teach both though? Why would you want to sully the classroom experience by bringing in something so irrelevant to education? Why would you want to teach either belief or non-belief?
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At our school we have scripture.
Ministers etc come in & teach the kids scripture,all religions in together.
Those who don't want to go,a permission note has to be signed by parent/carer/guardian.
We are not allowed to do religion in the class room:-6
Ministers etc come in & teach the kids scripture,all religions in together.
Those who don't want to go,a permission note has to be signed by parent/carer/guardian.
We are not allowed to do religion in the class room:-6
It's nice to be important,but more important to be nice.
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spot;742929 wrote: Maintaining that evolution is wrong requires belief, maintaining it's right requires the presentation of evidence in support of the scientific definitions and there's a huge array of evidence to hand. Supporting the belief involves turning a wilfully blind eye to the evidence. One is definite, the other rejects reality.
That conflict doesn't exist in the matter of religion - both sides are interpretations of the same material. Both are expressions of belief without evidence. Both hinge on definitions. Neither is definite. How on earth can you teach both though? Why would you want to sully the classroom experience by bringing in something so irrelevant to education? Why would you want to teach either belief or non-belief?
But doesn't "evidence" require interpretation? And doesn't interpretation stem from belief?
And can we ever be free from this whether in, or out of, the teaching situation?
That conflict doesn't exist in the matter of religion - both sides are interpretations of the same material. Both are expressions of belief without evidence. Both hinge on definitions. Neither is definite. How on earth can you teach both though? Why would you want to sully the classroom experience by bringing in something so irrelevant to education? Why would you want to teach either belief or non-belief?
But doesn't "evidence" require interpretation? And doesn't interpretation stem from belief?
And can we ever be free from this whether in, or out of, the teaching situation?
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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theia;742943 wrote: But doesn't "evidence" require interpretation? And doesn't interpretation stem from belief?
And can we ever be free from this whether in, or out of, the teaching situation?
Teaching science accepts the scientific principle as axiomatic, not as a matter of belief. It's a definitive framework within which science exists as a subject. The evidence is interpreted on the basis of those principles.
Teaching religious practice takes a belief system as axiomatic in the same way. If the school teaches religious practice then that belief is the definitive framework within which the religion exists as a subject and again the evidence is interpreted on the basis of those principles. Such a school would reasonably be referred to as a madrasa deeneya if it were Islamic, what would you call it in a Christian context? A Theological college for a specific denomination? Whatever you call it, state schools don't teach that subject. They do teach science though.
And can we ever be free from this whether in, or out of, the teaching situation?
Teaching science accepts the scientific principle as axiomatic, not as a matter of belief. It's a definitive framework within which science exists as a subject. The evidence is interpreted on the basis of those principles.
Teaching religious practice takes a belief system as axiomatic in the same way. If the school teaches religious practice then that belief is the definitive framework within which the religion exists as a subject and again the evidence is interpreted on the basis of those principles. Such a school would reasonably be referred to as a madrasa deeneya if it were Islamic, what would you call it in a Christian context? A Theological college for a specific denomination? Whatever you call it, state schools don't teach that subject. They do teach science though.
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spot;742929 wrote: Maintaining that evolution is wrong requires belief, maintaining it's right requires the presentation of evidence in support of the scientific definitions and there's a huge array of evidence to hand. Supporting the belief involves turning a wilfully blind eye to the evidence. One is definite, the other rejects reality.
That conflict doesn't exist in the matter of religion - both sides are interpretations of the same material. Both are expressions of belief without evidence. Both hinge on definitions. Neither is definite. How on earth can you teach both though? Why would you want to sully the classroom experience by bringing in something so irrelevant to education? Why would you want to teach either belief or non-belief?
How do you figure the introduction of religion sullies education, Spot? I don't personally feel that religion (the teaching of) is irrelevant. When wars are fought over religions and people's lives the world over are affected one way or another by religion, that's a huge chunk of information to leave out of the curriculum. I'm not saying to promote it. I'm saying include it. Treat it as a general and neutral issue, the same way math and literature are handled. I think it's a serious wrongdoing to kids to present evolution as the only possibility for our existence.
I don't agree that religion excuses reality or that evolution is the only answer. That is my personal belief. One could well argue that our existence is proof enough that (a) God exists and moreover, how could you not? As much as I generally think religion should be kept out of school as far as Moment of Prayer type stuff and "One nation under God," I don't think it's fair or correct to present evolution as *the* answer.
That conflict doesn't exist in the matter of religion - both sides are interpretations of the same material. Both are expressions of belief without evidence. Both hinge on definitions. Neither is definite. How on earth can you teach both though? Why would you want to sully the classroom experience by bringing in something so irrelevant to education? Why would you want to teach either belief or non-belief?
How do you figure the introduction of religion sullies education, Spot? I don't personally feel that religion (the teaching of) is irrelevant. When wars are fought over religions and people's lives the world over are affected one way or another by religion, that's a huge chunk of information to leave out of the curriculum. I'm not saying to promote it. I'm saying include it. Treat it as a general and neutral issue, the same way math and literature are handled. I think it's a serious wrongdoing to kids to present evolution as the only possibility for our existence.
I don't agree that religion excuses reality or that evolution is the only answer. That is my personal belief. One could well argue that our existence is proof enough that (a) God exists and moreover, how could you not? As much as I generally think religion should be kept out of school as far as Moment of Prayer type stuff and "One nation under God," I don't think it's fair or correct to present evolution as *the* answer.
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It depends on whether you're teaching religions as history or a specific religion as fact. I'm all in favour of teaching religions as history, that's what we do in England. I'd be appalled by any mainstream full time K1-K12 school teaching a specific religion as fact and teaching its belief to the exclusion of others or teaching its practice (as, for example, how to pray and who to pray to).
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spot;742952 wrote: It depends on whether you're teaching religions as history or a specific religion as fact. I'm all in favour of teaching religions as history, that's what we do in England. I'd be appalled by any mainstream full time K1-K12 school teaching a specific religion as fact and teaching its belief to the exclusion of others or teaching its practice (as, for example, how to pray and who to pray to).
We're in agreement on this.
We're in agreement on this.
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RedGlitter;742949 wrote: I don't think it's fair or correct to present evolution as *the* answer.
No scientific insight is ever presented as reality, it's invariably a model which sinks or swims depending on the accuracy with which it reflects nature and the extent to which it provokes further research. As with all scientific insights evolution is testable. It provides a powerful model for prediction and exploration.
No scientific insight is ever presented as reality, it's invariably a model which sinks or swims depending on the accuracy with which it reflects nature and the extent to which it provokes further research. As with all scientific insights evolution is testable. It provides a powerful model for prediction and exploration.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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In Scottish schools the only subject that is compulsory is religious education with provision for parents to withdraw their children if they so wish.
Guidance on RME is also provided in the National Guidelines on RME 5-14 (1992), that outline the aims of RME, designed to help pupils to develop a knowledge and understanding of Christianity and other world religions. It also states the need to recognise religion as an important expression of human experience; to appreciate moral values such as honesty, liberty, justice, fairness and concern for others; to investigate and understand the questions and answers that religions can offer about the nature and meaning of life and develop their own beliefs, attitudes, moral values and practices through a process of personal search, discovery and critical evaluation. A separate document (Religious Education 5-14 Roman Catholic Schools) was issued in 1994 in recognition of the right of church authorities to determine the religious education curriculum in Catholic schools. While this document also aims to encourage an understanding of other world religions and other Christian traditions its main purpose is to 'help Catholic pupils to develop a knowledge and understanding of their own faith and to support their faith formation.'
Maybe you need to have a history of sectarianism to not want to get worked up about religion.
It would be difficult for any teacher of history not to point how religion was used to keep people in their place and persuade them to put up with gross injustice by convincing them it was the natural order of things.
You know the hymn all things bright and beautiful? How about the verse that has since been deleted from modern versions
http://www.poeticexpressions.co.uk/poem ... utiful.HTM
The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them, high or lowly,
And ordered their estate.
The protestant reformation can hardly be talked about without the matter coming up-that was after all what it was all about. When people started reading the bible for themselves they realised they were being conned. Do you gloss over the Spanish Inquisition in case you offend any catholics in the room? How about manifest destiny? All the bible inspired justifications for negro slavery and racism
-do you just pretend it didn't happen in case somebody religious thinks you are criticising their religion and you shouldn't be allowed to?
It's difficult to judge from the no doubt carefully selected bit of the recording but IMO it would be a mistake if you were not allowed to be critical of religion. Religious groups can hardly claim the freedom to worship as you please without accepting that non-believers have the same right to call it a load of rubbish and say so as and when they want. Or to point out how religious leaders can and do misuse the belief of their followers-cynical manipulation or divine inspiration take your pick.
Martin Luther
Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Guidance on RME is also provided in the National Guidelines on RME 5-14 (1992), that outline the aims of RME, designed to help pupils to develop a knowledge and understanding of Christianity and other world religions. It also states the need to recognise religion as an important expression of human experience; to appreciate moral values such as honesty, liberty, justice, fairness and concern for others; to investigate and understand the questions and answers that religions can offer about the nature and meaning of life and develop their own beliefs, attitudes, moral values and practices through a process of personal search, discovery and critical evaluation. A separate document (Religious Education 5-14 Roman Catholic Schools) was issued in 1994 in recognition of the right of church authorities to determine the religious education curriculum in Catholic schools. While this document also aims to encourage an understanding of other world religions and other Christian traditions its main purpose is to 'help Catholic pupils to develop a knowledge and understanding of their own faith and to support their faith formation.'
Maybe you need to have a history of sectarianism to not want to get worked up about religion.
It would be difficult for any teacher of history not to point how religion was used to keep people in their place and persuade them to put up with gross injustice by convincing them it was the natural order of things.
You know the hymn all things bright and beautiful? How about the verse that has since been deleted from modern versions
http://www.poeticexpressions.co.uk/poem ... utiful.HTM
The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them, high or lowly,
And ordered their estate.
The protestant reformation can hardly be talked about without the matter coming up-that was after all what it was all about. When people started reading the bible for themselves they realised they were being conned. Do you gloss over the Spanish Inquisition in case you offend any catholics in the room? How about manifest destiny? All the bible inspired justifications for negro slavery and racism
-do you just pretend it didn't happen in case somebody religious thinks you are criticising their religion and you shouldn't be allowed to?
It's difficult to judge from the no doubt carefully selected bit of the recording but IMO it would be a mistake if you were not allowed to be critical of religion. Religious groups can hardly claim the freedom to worship as you please without accepting that non-believers have the same right to call it a load of rubbish and say so as and when they want. Or to point out how religious leaders can and do misuse the belief of their followers-cynical manipulation or divine inspiration take your pick.
Martin Luther
Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
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Wolverine;742818 wrote: i know what i'm doing on Summer vacation next year
:eek::eek:
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In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.
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Good day to all, I just signed up today.
1st and 4th Amendment cases are the most litigated under the Constitution. The title caught my eye. The Federal lawsuit, as I thought, is a Declaratory Judgment action requesting/seeking Injunctive relief.
It seems the teacher was not simply sporadic in his oral views according to the complaint, but it was a continual behavior on his part? The complaint was filed by the header organization on behalf of the students next of friends, his parents.
I would be inclined to rule for the student if I were the Judge, per the allegations.
I can't post a URL since I do not have 15 posts yet. Maybe someone can post the URL of the complaint after linking it?
Key in:
advocates for faith and freedom
The URL should provide a link to the complaint.
"Academic freedom" is the law, true, but there are boundaries so the 1st Amendment is not triggered.
1st and 4th Amendment cases are the most litigated under the Constitution. The title caught my eye. The Federal lawsuit, as I thought, is a Declaratory Judgment action requesting/seeking Injunctive relief.
It seems the teacher was not simply sporadic in his oral views according to the complaint, but it was a continual behavior on his part? The complaint was filed by the header organization on behalf of the students next of friends, his parents.
I would be inclined to rule for the student if I were the Judge, per the allegations.
I can't post a URL since I do not have 15 posts yet. Maybe someone can post the URL of the complaint after linking it?
Key in:
advocates for faith and freedom
The URL should provide a link to the complaint.
"Academic freedom" is the law, true, but there are boundaries so the 1st Amendment is not triggered.
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Hi History Buff, welcome to FG. 
I came up with these two urls:
http://www.faith-freedom.com
http://www.faith-freedom.org
Are these the ones you wanted to post?
While I see nothing wrong inherently with raising one's kid in a religious environment, I do not support or understand the religious right's constant battering of secularism. In fact, that's my number one complaint with them, that they cannot live and let live.
I came up with these two urls:
http://www.faith-freedom.com
http://www.faith-freedom.org
Are these the ones you wanted to post?
While I see nothing wrong inherently with raising one's kid in a religious environment, I do not support or understand the religious right's constant battering of secularism. In fact, that's my number one complaint with them, that they cannot live and let live.
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Hi RG, thanks for the welcome. The 1st link, the .com is the one.
After clicking it on it states, 1st Par:
Read the complaint here. The here is an active link.
Click it it if you can post the URL to the complaint for all RG, thanks.
HB
After clicking it on it states, 1st Par:
Read the complaint here. The here is an active link.
Click it it if you can post the URL to the complaint for all RG, thanks.
HB
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Welcome history buff! :-6
"Girls are crazy! I'm not ever getting married, I can make my own sandwiches!"
my son
my son
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Sheryl;744676 wrote: Welcome history buff! :-6
Why thank you for the nice welcome!
Hope your saturday is going well!
HB
Why thank you for the nice welcome!
Hope your saturday is going well!
HB
Do U.S. Teachers have the right to say
Hi Buff, welcome to FG
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Do U.S. Teachers have the right to say
ThePheasant;744681 wrote: Hi Buff, welcome to FG
Thank you!
Thank you!
Do U.S. Teachers have the right to say
History buff;744649 wrote: Hi RG, thanks for the welcome. The 1st link, the .com is the one.
After clicking it on it states, 1st Par:
Read the complaint here. The here is an active link.
Click it it if you can post the URL to the complaint for all RG, thanks.
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I read the the whole thing. All the statements he made about the south with out stating a source, is scary. Kids are gullible and take what teachers state as fact to heart.
has anyone else read the complaint? It's not that bad of a read. Kinda reminded me of the debate cases I had to write in highschool. :wah:
After clicking it on it states, 1st Par:
Read the complaint here. The here is an active link.
Click it it if you can post the URL to the complaint for all RG, thanks.
HB
I read the the whole thing. All the statements he made about the south with out stating a source, is scary. Kids are gullible and take what teachers state as fact to heart.
has anyone else read the complaint? It's not that bad of a read. Kinda reminded me of the debate cases I had to write in highschool. :wah:
"Girls are crazy! I'm not ever getting married, I can make my own sandwiches!"
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Do U.S. Teachers have the right to say
Sheryl;744702 wrote: I read the the whole thing. All the statements he made about the south with out stating a source, is scary. Kids are gullible and take what teachers state as fact to heart.
has anyone else read the complaint? It's not that bad of a read. Kinda reminded me of the debate cases I had to write in highschool. :wah:
How would you rule if you were the Judge? For or against the Plaintiff's!
has anyone else read the complaint? It's not that bad of a read. Kinda reminded me of the debate cases I had to write in highschool. :wah:
How would you rule if you were the Judge? For or against the Plaintiff's!
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Do U.S. Teachers have the right to say
I read the entire thing and I think his problem is not what he's saying so much as it is his presentation. A great deal of what he said makes sense. Even that religion is irrational. I'm a religious person but I'll be the first to admit it's not a rational concept in our mortal eyes. What is offensive or hostile about that comment? I agree with his stance on birth control as well. He fought some ignorance in the classroom when he corrected the kid who thought BCP would just make girls go out and get laid. I appreciate that. As for the actual beef with the Jesus glasses, I *personally* Think it's ridiculous that this kid would get that offended over that. What's he going to do when he gets offended in real life, sue everyone? But if you replace Jesus with Buddha, Allah, Odin, Whatever, would anyone be pitching a witch about that? I doubt it. I don't care for the comment, I think it's dumb but now that I can see the context in which it was being used, I understand why it was said, it makes sense to me, and I don't see in that context why that kind would feel like "a second class citizen" or that the teacher was being hostile.
Do U.S. Teachers have the right to say
History buff;744760 wrote: How would you rule if you were the Judge? For or against the Plaintiff's!
Tough question. Reading his comments, he statements were mainly against Christianity. So the kid does have a case, so I do think I would rule in favor of the kid, and his parents.
Tough question. Reading his comments, he statements were mainly against Christianity. So the kid does have a case, so I do think I would rule in favor of the kid, and his parents.
"Girls are crazy! I'm not ever getting married, I can make my own sandwiches!"
my son
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Do U.S. Teachers have the right to say
RedGlitter;744768 wrote: I read the entire thing and I think his problem is not what he's saying so much as it is his presentation. A great deal of what he said makes sense. Even that religion is irrational. I'm a religious person but I'll be the first to admit it's not a rational concept in our mortal eyes. What is offensive or hostile about that comment? I agree with his stance on birth control as well. He fought some ignorance in the classroom when he corrected the kid who thought BCP would just make girls go out and get laid. I appreciate that. As for the actual beef with the Jesus glasses, I *personally* Think it's ridiculous that this kid would get that offended over that. What's he going to do when he gets offended in real life, sue everyone? But if you replace Jesus with Buddha, Allah, Odin, Whatever, would anyone be pitching a witch about that? I doubt it. I don't care for the comment, I think it's dumb but now that I can see the context in which it was being used, I understand why it was said, it makes sense to me, and I don't see in that context why that kind would feel like "a second class citizen" or that the teacher was being hostile.
You can can replace Jesus, with Allah, Buddha or whoever. The teacher didn't, his comments were directly against Christianity. If the teacher had been saying it was Wiccans or Pagans who were blind sheep, ect. Would you still hold your opinion.
You can can replace Jesus, with Allah, Buddha or whoever. The teacher didn't, his comments were directly against Christianity. If the teacher had been saying it was Wiccans or Pagans who were blind sheep, ect. Would you still hold your opinion.
"Girls are crazy! I'm not ever getting married, I can make my own sandwiches!"
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I have 15 posts in, so I can now link URL's, here is the complaint:
http://www.faith-freedom.com/uploads/ca ... .11.07.pdf
http://www.faith-freedom.com/uploads/ca ... .11.07.pdf