who moderates the mods

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:40 pm

I have never reported a post and hope i dont have to

But i thought of a question:D if someone does report a post, and mods deal with said report, does the person who reported the post get to know the outcome?

I do think it is better to have real people dealing with issues though, rather than an automated response.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:42 pm

jimbo;730154 wrote: i would never want to be one .... if i read my posts with good conscience i'd have to ban myself

all i'm saying is if a police officer was being unfair just because he did not like any someone you would have a right to complain as would any citizen who saw it happen could report it and action would be taken ,if a mod was picking on an fg person and abusing their power ,they should resign from being a mod or that power should be taken from them

I cant remember seeing a post from you that would merit a ban?:-3 Im sorry Jimbo but you are just not as bad as you try to make out:D:wah:

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:44 pm

kazalala;730208 wrote: I cant remember seeing a post from you that would merit a ban?:-3 Im sorry Jimbo but you are just not as bad as you try to make out:D:wah:

he is

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:54 pm

kazalala;730207 wrote: I have never reported a post and hope i dont have to

But i thought of a question:D if someone does report a post, and mods deal with said report, does the person who reported the post get to know the outcome? Generally, no.

The report button is a one-way posting mechanism for users into the moderation forum where all moderators get to see the complaint. Frequently there's a discussion attached to the resulting report thread. I can't think of many occasions where it results in feedback to the author of the report. I expect if there's a specific note in the text of the report saying "please let me know / tell me" then a follow-up response would be forthcoming eventually, once the matter had been dealt with.

I'd suggest that if the report is a complaint about the behaviour of a moderator then it should carry as much explanation as possible.

Once a report's been submitted by a member it leaves a permanent thread in a moderator forum, it's not as though it would get forgotten about or left undealt with.

Moderators deal primarily with spam. Handling disagreements between members is far trickier and generates more of a discussion when it happens. Where one of the members involved in the disagreement is a moderator there are agreed ways of dealing with that too but it's not common. In my opinion members will get far more attention if they use the red report button than if they just PM a moderator, and if they make a clear statement of why they're reporting a post.

Kittypaws · Post by **Kittypaws** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:57 pm

jimbo;730209 wrote: ok i feel my question has been answered but mods my finger is on the button i have power watch it :sneaky::sneaky:

i wont be posting on here any more

:D

Okay... so if you're happy then who am I to complain .... but this was your question:

if a mod is blatantly being unfair to another member of FG and is abusing his/her power do you other mods have the backbone to send a pm to said not so moderate mod and say so

These were the answers:

The mod forums are incredibly active. Every action outside of spam deletion and banning of spammers is discussed between all mods that are available at the time.

I'm speaking to the little jimbo inside now. It's okay... you are safe... the world is a happy place...

I can't work out what spot is saying half the time either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePheasant How many moderators have to agree on a decision, before action can be taken?

the majority who are available

Quote:

What happens if there are mods who do not agree on the final decision?

generally, it works on democracy and there may be people who don't agree. Unanimous decisions are fairly rare among humans.

Quote:

How much input does Tombstone have on decisions made by mods?

Tombstone can veto anything. He doesn't exercise that right very often.

mods have two hats here; as mods and as members.

Some boards are strictly moderated some are not. FG tries not to be a strictly moderated board and, as such, mods are also allowed to express their opinions as openly as all the other members do. It is, likely, one of the reasons mods, who are volunteers, are willing to do the job. Personally, if I was not allowed to enjoy the same privileges as the other members because i was a mod I would not be a mod.

As with all lines that need to be drawn, where to draw that line is a difficult decision. As we are volunteers, we can not expect every mod to be available at a moments notice when something is happening on the forum.

There are some problems that are simple and straightforward and others that are not. The important thing is that the mods all feel they can express themselves openly and the more often we disagree the more we can be sure that we are functioning fairly. It is unfortunate that members can't always know what is being done about problems. Because of the amount of discussion that goes into resolving issues, it sometimes appears that nothing is being done when, in fact, we are deciding on the best course of action.

Members also don't know when infractions are given unless the person is banned as a result or if the person announces it.

I'd like to say that, with this current group of mods, I have not seen a single personality change since they were made mods. All of our mods continue to post in the same manner as they did before their status changed.

For a power trip to be happening, a person would demonstrate a change in their sense of personal power. I haven't noticed that.

You're much more easily satisfied/fobbed off than i'd ever be ...

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:59 pm

:wah: Nomie if you have the final say we are in a world of you know what..

But a funny world of you know what..

[QUOTE]Ultimately I have the final say.

Im watching you.

*points fingers at eyes then back at you*

__________________[/QUOTE]

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:59 pm

spot;730212 wrote: Generally, no.

The report button is a one-way posting mechanism for users into the moderation forum where all moderators get to see the complaint. Frequently there's a discussion attached to the resulting report thread. I can't think of many occasions where it results in feedback to the author of the report. I expect if there's a specific note in the text of the report saying "please let me know / tell me" then a follow-up response would be forthcoming eventually, once the matter had been dealt with.

I'd suggest that if the report is a complaint about the behaviour of a moderator then it should carry as much explanation as possible.

Once a report's been submitted by a member it leaves a permanent thread in a moderator forum, it's not as though it would get forgotten about or left undealt with.

Moderators deal primarily with spam. Handling disagreements between members is far trickier and generates more of a discussion when it happens. Where one of the members involved in the disagreement is a moderator there are agreed ways of dealing with that too but it's not common. In my opinion members will get far more attention if they use the red report button than if they just PM a moderator, and if they make a clear statement of why they're reporting a post.

Thanks spot:D

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:01 pm

Kittypaws;730214 wrote: Okay... so if you're happy then who am I to complain .... but this was your question:

if a mod is blatantly being unfair to another member of FG and is abusing his/her power do you other mods have the backbone to send a pm to said not so moderate mod and say so

[snip]

You're much more easily satisfied/fobbed off than i'd ever be ...

I'm sorry, I thought that had been dealt with.

Answer: Yes as far as the backbone's concerned except it's not a PM, it's a constructive thread in a moderator forum. I can think of a few instances like that over the last year.

Kittypaws · Post by **Kittypaws** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:13 pm

Nah Jimbo ... I'm okay with that ... no sense in getting my knickers inna knot over something i can do nothing about is there?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:34 pm

grh;730199 wrote: These are all nasty things, if they have in fact occurred. But this is a vague answer, where I am looking for specifics. If someone wants to say that a specific mod did a specific act against a specific member, they need to say it outright.

You can't expect corrective action to occur on vague accusations. If it did not happen to you specifically, you are only able to judge based on information received from someone who feels wronged. That can't get you all the facts you need to reach an unbiased opinion.

And the fact that two members may not care for one another does not exempt one of those members from moderation if the other feels they have abused the TOS, IMO.

Hi grh,

I think we've refrained from naming names because the members involved know what happened and with whom, and to drag it up would start another FG Fight. Yes, it would happen, has before. There was reason to post about it in this thread though. For those who don't know what's been going on, maybe it could just be considered as a warning that things do not always run justly or smoothly in our forum. We were very specific to the Powers That Be as to who was doing what and corrective action was taken. We just don't want this garbage to happen again to anyone else.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:48 pm

ThePheasant;730182 wrote: Is there a minimum number required ?

Did I miss the answer to this question?

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:51 pm

koan;730188 wrote: mods have two hats here; as mods and as members.

Some boards are strictly moderated some are not. FG tries not to be a strictly moderated board and, as such, mods are also allowed to express their opinions as openly as all the other members do. It is, likely, one of the reasons mods, who are volunteers, are willing to do the job. Personally, if I was not allowed to enjoy the same privileges as the other members because i was a mod I would not be a mod.

As with all lines that need to be drawn, where to draw that line is a difficult decision. As we are volunteers, we can not expect every mod to be available at a moments notice when something is happening on the forum.

There are some problems that are simple and straightforward and others that are not. The important thing is that the mods all feel they can express themselves openly and the more often we disagree the more we can be sure that we are functioning fairly. It is unfortunate that members can't always know what is being done about problems. Because of the amount of discussion that goes into resolving issues, it sometimes appears that nothing is being done when, in fact, we are deciding on the best course of action.

Members also don't know when infractions are given unless the person is banned as a result or if the person announces it.

I think this post was very well written.

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:51 pm

ThePheasant;730247 wrote: [QUOTE=ThePheasant;730182]Is there a minimum number required ?Did I miss the answer to this question?

Unless one of the moderators asks for a minimum number to comment first, the answer's no there's no minimum.

grh · Post by **grh** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:09 pm

RedGlitter;730240 wrote: Hi grh,

..... For those who don't know what's been going on, maybe it could just be considered as a warning that things do not always run justly or smoothly in our forum. We were very specific to the Powers That Be as to who was doing what and corrective action was taken. We just don't want this garbage to happen again to anyone else.

Seems to me that if the Powers that Be were informed and corrective action taken, then this is a fairly just forum, eh? We can't expect perfection, simply strive for it.

Glad to hear everythings been handled.:-6

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:15 pm

I have not been a member of many forums prior to finding FG, so my comments are based on my comparing the few that I have experienced.

I think FG is a great forum, there is a wonderful balance of information, debates, sharing and fun. I think that this wonderful balance is only achieved because of our great members, participating moderators and our Tombstone (:-4 what a suck-up I am :wah:)

I agree, Koan, that the moderators should be able to join in on the fun of this forum and it is great to see you all joining in (if you didn't, it would be very boring for you, and we would just see you all as 'nasty policemen' and not human beings too). The time that you all volunteer is greatly appreciated.

Here is my wish list ....

That during debates, the exchange of ideas, beliefs and feelings are done so in a slightly less aggressive way.

That personal attacks and bullying will not be tolerated.

That decisions made by a moderator (infractions and banning) should have a minimum of 4 in agreement.

Also, as it appears that we no longer have Zinky, it would be nice to see more moderators, thus making more available at any one time. And also some do have long periods where they are not visiting this forum (understandably, as hopefully we all do have real lifes :wah:).

Once again I would like to say I think FG is great!!!!

I'll shut-up now .......

....... maybe

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:32 pm

Quis ipsos custodes custodit?

Tombstone

Koan

Spot

Chonsigirl

Peg

Marie5656

Guppy

Abbey

Carla

Sheryl

ZinkyUsa

Interesting list and I'm glad I have it now. I always just thought it was Tombstone, Spot and Koan. It might be good to have another male there, maybe like Galbally. That would also make the list a bit more international.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:35 pm

AussiePam;730287 wrote: Quis custodes custodit?

Tombstone

Koan

Spot

Chonsigirl

Peg

Marie5656

Guppy

Abbey

Carla

Sheryl

ZinkyUsa

Interesting list and I'm glad I have it now. I always just thought it was Tombstone, Spot and Koan. It might be good to have another male there, maybe like Galbally. That would also make the list a bit more international.

wow, so you have been a member for nearly 2 years and didnt realise who were mods and how many.......speaks volumes to me....Im glad Jimbo posted this so we all now know....

:-6

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:42 pm

AussiePam;730287 wrote: Quis custodes custodit?

Tombstone

Koan

Spot

Chonsigirl

Peg

Marie5656

Guppy

Abbey

Carla

Sheryl

ZinkyUsa

Interesting list and I'm glad I have it now. I always just thought it was Tombstone, Spot and Koan. It might be good to have another male there, maybe like Galbally. That would also make the list a bit more international.

How many of these mods are regularly at FG - it seems Zinky is now gone, and I don't remember seeing Marie for a while?

And who the heck is Spot

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:50 pm

ThePheasant;730292 wrote: How many of these mods are regularly at FG - it seems Zinky is now gone, and I don't remember seeing Marie for a while?

And who the heck is Spot

isnt he a dog on kids programme

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:54 pm

He's a dog here too. Ask anyone.

The current active list, as best I know it, to cut back what was just posted (which is out of date) is:

koan

Tombstone

abbey

guppy

sheryl

Peg

spot

chonsigirl

CARLA

Chezzie;730288 wrote: wow, so you have been a member for nearly 2 years and didnt realise who were mods and how many.......speaks volumes to me....Im glad Jimbo posted this so we all now know....

:-6
The last time the list was presented was September as far as I can see.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:57 pm

lol im soooo gullible, I thought Nomad was a mod too..............Thats what he told me when I handed him the $250 dollars for my member perks, which I still havent received

:sneaky:

summerishere · Post by **summerishere** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:00 pm

Why isn't there a facility to display 'moderator' underneath the names of the mod's???

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:02 pm

Because we post as members, not as moderators. What we do as moderators is (ideally at least) independent of what we post, until we get to posts about moderators like this one. There aren't many.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:04 pm

well their will be an option on the admin cp board, when the forums set up and the groups are created you just add admin and moderator to the groups.

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:09 pm

We would, no doubt, if the management wanted to make a distinction between moderators and members in the threads, but ForumGarden chose not to. Different admins make different choices on how they want a site to be moderated.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:10 pm

Chezzie;730295 wrote: lol im soooo gullible, I thought Nomad was a mod too..............Thats what he told me when I handed him the $250 dollars for my member perks, which I still havent received

:sneaky:

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:12 pm

abbey;730306 wrote:

you telling me he duped you too Abbey????:wah::wah::wah: No wonder he drives that flash car

summerishere · Post by **summerishere** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:14 pm

koan;730201 wrote:

You might also note that members who are not mods often gang up to drive people from a forum. Power is a subjective thing. I don't notice any mods power tripping because they are mods. That was an issue a long time ago prior to the current moderator team.

Surely if this is the case - it is the job of the mods to step in and stop this from happening??

The mods are there to moderate behaviour... if members are driving other members away - then the mods aren't doing their jobs properly, in my opinion.

I have been a member of this site for just over a week... and I wouldn't know who to approach if I was having problems with another member... it should be made more clear to members who the moderators are... and which moderators are on line at any particular time!

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:14 pm

ThePheasant;730279 wrote: I have not been a member of many forums prior to finding FG, so my comments are based on my comparing the few that I have experienced.

I think FG is a great forum, there is a wonderful balance of information, debates, sharing and fun. I think that this wonderful balance is only achieved because of our great members, participating moderators and our Tombstone (:-4 what a suck-up I am :wah:)

I agree, Koan, that the moderators should be able to join in on the fun of this forum and it is great to see you all joining in (if you didn't, it would be very boring for you, and we would just see you all as 'nasty policemen' and not human beings too). The time that you all volunteer is greatly appreciated.

Here is my wish list ....

That during debates, the exchange of ideas, beliefs and feelings are done so in a slightly less aggressive way.

That personal attacks and bullying will not be tolerated.

That decisions made by a moderator (infractions and banning) should have a minimum of 4 in agreement.

Also, as it appears that we no longer have Zinky, it would be nice to see more moderators, thus making more available at any one time. And also some do have long periods where they are not visiting this forum (understandably, as hopefully we all do have real lifes).

Once again I would like to say I think FG is great!!!!

I'll shut-up now .......

....... maybe

Hey Spot !! What about my 'wish list' I paid you good money for that - start talking my spotted friend !!

There's also that small matter of the 'additional extras' and 'favours' you promised me for pming you those porn sites

summerishere · Post by **summerishere** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:15 pm

spot;730299 wrote: Because we post as members, not as moderators. What we do as moderators is (ideally at least) independent of what we post, until we get to posts about moderators like this one. There aren't many.

So how do we know who to approach if we're having problems?

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:16 pm

summerishere;730309 wrote: Surely if this is the case - it is the job of the mods to step in and stop this from happening??

The mods are there to moderate behaviour... if members are driving other members away - then the mods aren't doing their jobs properly, in my opinion.

I have been a member of this site for just over a week... and I wouldn't know who to approach if I was having problems with another member... it should be made more clear to members who the moderators are... and which moderators are on line at any particular time!summerishere;730312 wrote: So how do we know who to approach if we're having problems?

There's a "report" icon on every post in every thread to encourage any member to bring any post to the attention of every moderator.

There's also a "Contact Us" link at the bottom of every screen to allow anyone to contact the management on any subject.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:17 pm

Chezzie;730295 wrote: lol im soooo gullible, I thought Nomad was a mod too..............Thats what he told me when I handed him the $250 dollars for my member perks, which I still havent received

:sneaky:

:wah: You fell for Nomads scam ..... the only member perks you will get for Nomad is the 'ignore' button

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:20 pm

ThePheasant;730311 wrote: Hey Spot !! What about my 'wish list' I paid you good money for that - start talking my spotted friend !!

I'm sure the management will take it under advisement, if that's the right terminology these days.

summerishere · Post by **summerishere** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:21 pm

spot;730315 wrote: There's a "report" icon on every post in every thread to encourage any member to bring any post to the attention of every moderator.

Yes - I realise that, but surely there should be a facility for new members to be able to pm a moderator if they are having difficulties.. ie finding their way around the site.... etc....

I think it's only fair that members should know who the moderators of the site are.. I can't understand the reasoning behind members NOT knowing!

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:21 pm

Thats great if its a post your having problems with but what if its more than that?

Say for instance I was getting hassled via pm from a certain member or something similar, if I dont know who's a mod, how can I ask for help? I know you have posted the list Spot and thanks for that as its most helpful but new members may never read this post. Members that have been here over 2 years didnt know who was moderating the forum till this thread. Even if a list of mods was posted in the rules of the forum at least we could then look at the "who's Online" to see which mod is online at that time.

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:26 pm

There's a "Contact Us" link at the bottom of every screen to allow anyone to contact the management on any subject, even if they don't have an account here. Getting in touch is very flexible.

Post by **spot** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:29 pm

summerishere;730319 wrote: Yes - I realise that, but surely there should be a facility for new members to be able to pm a moderator if they are having difficulties.. ie finding their way around the site.... etc....

I think it's only fair that members should know who the moderators of the site are.. I can't understand the reasoning behind members NOT knowing!

New members with difficulties tend to post queries into "Problems, Solutions & Feedback" where everyone, moderator or not, lends a hand. Speaking personally I'd rather spend most of my time here as a member indistinguishable from any other. I come here to post, not to feed my ego by power-tripping.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:30 pm

summerishere;730309 wrote: Surely if this is the case - it is the job of the mods to step in and stop this from happening??

The mods are there to moderate behaviour... if members are driving other members away - then the mods aren't doing their jobs properly, in my opinion.

I have been a member of this site for just over a week... and I wouldn't know who to approach if I was having problems with another member... it should be made more clear to members who the moderators are... and which moderators are on line at any particular time!

Perhaps it would be helpful to clarify here that everything a mod does, as a mod, is completely transparent to all the mods. The only mod action ever taken that doesn't automatically produce a thread in the mod forums is the editing of a post for which we are supposed to leave a note as to what was edited and why. We report any edits that aren't simplistic (ie- altering a photo so the margins aren't blown) when it is done or the edit was a response to a reported post hence already has a thread. Transparency is the key to fairness and we have transparency with the moderation in this forum.

There is no transparency to the PM system in which members can and do rally other members to support a cause or take an action that is agreed upon in private. There is no way of tracking, nor would any of us want to track, what is said in PMs and between members who email each other and/or chat on msn or skype. That is a whole other underworld that co-exists in every forum.

The question here is whether or not mods are being moderated by each other and the answer is yes.

Aside from that, expectations that we possess omnipotence is quite unrealistic. Privacy is highly valued at this forum. The PM system is a privilege that is often abused but will never be taken away. It has been suggested that members be allowed to publish PMs on the open board to prevent bullying in the "underworld" but there has been no agreement on whether or not that would be an appropriate rule.

There is no way of knowing the whole story of any given fight that happens on a forum. One of the things we can know is that we don't know the whole story. Mods here try to keep that in mind.

There have been votes in the past as to whether or not we should increase the level of moderation here and you'd be surprised how many people do not wish to have mods at all.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:31 pm

I've been a member for a year, and tbh....I have NEVER had to report anyone or need to tell a mod anything....I was under the impression that the Moderator positions were fairly new, like within the last 6-9 months or so, may be that we really didn't need to call on them as much as some other forums may need to...

Last time I checked...we all wear big boy and girl pants and should be able to take it if we can dish it out....unfortunately a lot of people just leave instead....

summerishere · Post by **summerishere** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:38 pm

spot;730324 wrote: New members with difficulties tend to post queries into "Problems, Solutions & Feedback" where everyone, moderator or not, lends a hand. Speaking personally I'd rather spend most of my time here as a member indistinguishable from any other. I come here to post, not to feed my ego by power-tripping.

That's fine, Spot.. all very well and good, but I've never seen that forum... it's quite a large site and to be fair - it would be nice to know who I could send a message to, if I was having difficulties... just my opinion!

Is being a moderator about power tripping?? - your words !!

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:41 pm

We like to assume that people aren't helpless.

When people have had problems and not known who to talk to they start a thread asking who the moderators are.

It has been said that moderators don't have special markings for two reasons.

1) we rarely post 'as mods' we are members of the community equally with everyone else and post as such.

2) we don't want people to think of us any differently by having a badge on our chests.

summerishere · Post by **summerishere** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:41 pm

koan;730326 wrote: Perhaps it would be helpful to clarify here that everything a mod does, as a mod, is completely transparent to all the mods. The only mod action ever taken that doesn't automatically produce a thread in the mod forums is the editing of a post for which we are supposed to leave a note as to what was edited and why. We report any edits that aren't simplistic (ie- altering a photo so the margins aren't blown) when it is done or the edit was a response to a reported post hence already has a thread. Transparency is the key to fairness and we have transparency with the moderation in this forum.

There is no transparency to the PM system in which members can and do rally other members to support a cause or take an action that is agreed upon in private. There is no way of tracking, nor would any of us want to track, what is said in PMs and between members who email each other and/or chat on msn or skype. That is a whole other underworld that co-exists in every forum.

The question here is whether or not mods are being moderated by each other and the answer is yes.

Aside from that, expectations that we possess omnipotence is quite unrealistic. Privacy is highly valued at this forum. The PM system is a privilege that is often abused but will never be taken away. It has been suggested that members be allowed to publish PMs on the open board to prevent bullying in the "underworld" but there has been no agreement on whether or not that would be an appropriate rule.

There is no way of knowing the whole story of any given fight that happens on a forum. One of the things we can know is that we don't know the whole story. Mods here try to keep that in mind.

There have been votes in the past as to whether or not we should increase the level of moderation here and you'd be surprised how many people do not wish to have mods at all.

You forgot about 'driving' a member out and deleting all his posts... is that within the rules of moderating, koan? Is that fair? Is it fair when a member has a disagreement with a moderator and then doesn't know where to turn for impartial advice - doesn't know who is the friend or foe??

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:42 pm

spot;730322 wrote: There's a "Contact Us" link at the bottom of every screen to allow anyone to contact the management on any subject, even if they don't have an account here. Getting in touch is very flexible.

So there is Spot, thanks once again lol and I did read the rules lol..........Somethings just dont sink in...

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:44 pm

summerishere;730335 wrote: You forgot about 'driving' a member out and deleting all his posts... is that within the rules of moderating, koan? Is that fair? Is it fair when a member has a disagreement with a moderator and then doesn't know where to turn for impartial advice - doesn't know who is the friend or foe??

When a member's posts disappear it is at the request of the member.

One member left because she didn't like that FG adopted having mods at all. Does that mean the mods drove her out?

If the world seems like everyone is against a person they might talk to God... which is, in this case, Tombstone.

summerishere · Post by **summerishere** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:46 pm

koan;730333 wrote: We like to assume that people aren't helpless.

When people have had problems and not known who to talk to they start a thread asking who the moderators are.

It has been said that moderators don't have special markings for two reasons.

1) we rarely post 'as mods' we are members of the community equally with everyone else and post as such.

2) we don't want people to think of us any differently by having a badge on our chests.

Never assume, koan... some aren't as intelligent as you appear to be!

What about the people who are visiting a site for the first time... everything's alien to them... on my first visit to a site... I had no idea what a 'thread' was or a 'post'.....

You don't have to post as mods... you can post as members with a mod status... works very well on other forums.

I don't think it's fair that you post as members when it suits... but then change your 'hat' at a moment's notice.....

No-one would think of you any differently..... you are a human being, just as we are..... but you have moderator status... 't is the only difference!

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:47 pm

WonderWendy3;730327 wrote: I've been a member for a year, and tbh....I have NEVER had to report anyone or need to tell a mod anything....I was under the impression that the Moderator positions were fairly new, like within the last 6-9 months or so, may be that we really didn't need to call on them as much as some other forums may need to...

Last time I checked...we all wear big boy and girl pants and should be able to take it if we can dish it out....unfortunately a lot of people just leave instead....

I have not been here as long as you Wendy, but like you I have never reported anything or anyone. I have on occasion hassled Spot, but between you and me I think he secretly enjoys being pestered - its like a pain vs pleasure thing

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There is also this super-hero who I do, on occasion, find the need to report, she really is a little monkey :sneaky: