who moderates the mods

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:53 am

Interesting question Jimbo. I would like to know the answer to this one too.

Also, how often does a mod. have frequent FG, to be considered a member who can truly moderate? Is it someone who has to visit on a fairly regular basis or can it be someone who visits rarely?

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:56 am

I think it must be quite hard to be a mod, I think on the whole they do a good job, but I have seen a couple of instances where their own personal views have got in the way of making unbiased decisions.

I think that mods should be treated the same as every member here, if they are out of order then they should be pulled into line as well, either by another mod or Tombie.

JMO:-6

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:58 am

jimbo;730114 wrote:

or do you guys all sit on your thumbs and get old tombie to say something

i have had a couple of run ins with koan head and sheryl told me to button it once .. oh and i'm always getting the speaking in tongues sort of warning from spot :wah::wah:

huh??

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:59 am

Sheryl;730124 wrote: huh??

:wah:

Look out here's the fuzz now :wah: :-4

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:59 am

id be a good mod power would not go to my head hahahaha:wah::wah::mad:

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:00 am

ThePheasant;730128 wrote: :wah:

Look out here's the fuzz now :wah: :-4

You haven't seen my thread bout Pheasant season starting today huh! :p

:-4

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:01 am

jimbo;730114 wrote: apart from koan and spot who just seem to have it in for everyone just the same :wah:

if a mod is blatantly being unfair to another member of FG and is abusing his/her power do you other mods have the backbone to send a pm to said not so moderate mod and say so

or do you guys all sit on your thumbs and get old tombie to say something

i have had a couple of run ins with koan head and sheryl told me to button it once .. oh and i'm always getting the speaking in tongues sort of warning from spot :wah::wah:

but on the whole if a mod is having a go at a member unfairly do we have a fair moderate bunch of mods or are we beholding to a bunch of power hungry turn a blind eye mods cant do a thing wrong bunch of mods who moderate us but not each other ..... kind of lost myself there

but you know what i mean

every post your thoughts here please

Ultimately I have the final say.

Im watching you.

*points fingers at eyes then back at you*

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:03 am

The mod forums are incredibly active. Every action outside of spam deletion and banning of spammers is discussed between all mods that are available at the time.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:04 am

Sheryl;730130 wrote: You haven't seen my thread bout Pheasant season starting today huh! :p

:-4

:eek: Someone help me !! She has a gun!!

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:15 am

ThePheasant;730138 wrote:

Someone help me !! She has a gun!!

sorry pheas

Attached files

freetobeme · Post by **freetobeme** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:18 am

It's hard to be a mod, but I don't see a list of who they are, just did a search...is there anywhere that lists the mods and owners?

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:23 am

freetobeme;730148 wrote: It's hard to be a mod, but I don't see a list of who they are, just did a search...is there anywhere that lists the mods and owners?

This thread contains mod names :-6

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=31843

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:30 am

jimbo;730114 wrote: apart from koan and spot who just seem to have it in for everyone just the same :wah:

if a mod is blatantly being unfair to another member of FG and is abusing his/her power do you other mods have the backbone to send a pm to said not so moderate mod and say so

or do you guys all sit on your thumbs and get old tombie to say something

i have had a couple of run ins with koan head and sheryl told me to button it once .. oh and i'm always getting the speaking in tongues sort of warning from spot :wah::wah:

but on the whole if a mod is having a go at a member unfairly do we have a fair moderate bunch of mods or are we beholding to a bunch of power hungry turn a blind eye mods cant do a thing wrong bunch of mods who moderate us but not each other ..... kind of lost myself there

but you know what i mean

every post your thoughts here please

Fair questions Jimbo. If you feel anyone is out of line, hit the report post button whether they are a mod or not. No, the mods do not always agree. I think member input is extremely important. If members feel that a mod is having a go at a member, they should report it and question it.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:34 am

jimbo;730147 wrote: ok koanie , how does this answer my post in any way

uh oh it seems speaking in tongues is catching :wah::wah:

I'm speaking to the little jimbo inside now. It's okay... you are safe... the world is a happy place...

I can't work out what spot is saying half the time either. :wah:

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:35 am

koan;730158 wrote:

I can't work out what spot is saying half the time either. :wah:

I'm so glad I'm not the only one. :wah:

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:38 am

jimbo;730159 wrote: suzy has just told me about this button peg thanks for your reply :-6

i now have my finger on the button ..... mods be fair jimbo is watching :sneaky::sneaky:

think i should just self ban myself now?? :wah:

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:38 am

We all should behave responsibly................I think we are all adults here.

Complaints?......................press a button or take a pill.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:39 am

How many moderators have to agree on a decision, before action can be taken?

What happens if there are mods who do not agree on the final decision?

How much input does Tombstone have on decisions made by mods?

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:40 am

along-for-the-ride;730166 wrote: We all should behave responsibly................I think we are all adults here.

Complaints?......................press a button or take a pill.

:wah::wah:

Now thats another thread :wah:

grh · Post by **grh** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:41 am

Define 'using his/her power' please.

Are there specific examples? If there are, I would think it would be helpful to the rest of us to know specifically what the accusations are.

If its just a case of a mod not liking someone else's posts or style and saying so, that is not in any way an abuse, IMO. It is simply one member voicing their own opinion.

If there are not specific examples, I think threads like this one can only cause unnecessary distrust and unease among members.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:42 am

grh;730171 wrote: Define 'using his/her power' please.

Are there specific examples? If there are, I would think it would be helpful to the rest of us to know specifically what the accusations are.

If its just a case of a mod not liking someone else's posts or style and saying so, that is not in any way an abuse, IMO. It is simply one member voicing their own opinion.

If there are not specific examples, I think threads like this one can only cause unnecessary distrust and unease among members.

Its a Jimbo thing - have you not felt it before :wah::wah:

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:44 am

ThePheasant;730167 wrote: How many moderators have to agree on a decision, before action can be taken?
the majority who are available

What happens if there are mods who do not agree on the final decision?
generally, it works on democracy and there may be people who don't agree. Unanimous decisions are fairly rare among humans.

How much input does Tombstone have on decisions made by mods?
Tombstone can veto anything. He doesn't exercise that right very often.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:47 am

jimbo;730178 wrote: good now keep your eyes peeled and dont let it happen again

the freedom of fg depends on you :-6:-6

too right

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:48 am

grh;730171 wrote: Define 'using his/her power' please.

Are there specific examples? If there are, I would think it would be helpful to the rest of us to know specifically what the accusations are.

If its just a case of a mod not liking someone else's posts or style and saying so, that is not in any way an abuse, IMO. It is simply one member voicing their own opinion.

If there are not specific examples, I think threads like this one can only cause unnecessary distrust and unease among members.

Recent examples would be infracting or banning members because a mod didn't like what was said to their (the mod's) friends, and handing out infractions to spite members due to personal reasons such as a dissolved friendship...both of these would be unacceptable behavior and have occurred. Another example would be abusive remarks from mods, which have also occurred. There have been several other instances in the past but bringing them up would stir stuff, I'm afraid.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:49 am

koan;730177 wrote: the majority who are available

generally, it works on democracy and there may be people who don't agree. Unanimous decisions are fairly rare among humans.

Tombstone can veto anything. He doesn't exercise that right very often.

Is there a minimum number required ?

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:01 pm

As an Admin and a mod on several other forums, Im astonished that the forum would be allowed to be used for any personal attacks on another member. We wouldnt allow that, it would be stopped straight away and sorted out fairly behind closed doors as to maintain a calm and harmonised forum.

Anyone can be reported including Admin if need be, moderators are exactly that, there to moderate a forum not to pass judgement,or use the postion to their advantage, same as a member.

I have been horrified at some of the comments I have read about members in the mod staff rooms and have always said so...No need for rudeness.

Ive just dealt with an extremely difficult situation between 2 women members over an arcade games tournament where one felt the other was cheating. Their were no dummies spat out, no blood on the carpets and none of the other members were aware of the spat...

Thanks for the link that shown the list of moderators, very informative and can I add should be in the rules of the forum so people know who to go to if need be.

All the forums iv'e ever been involved with, have shown their mods with a title above their avatar or show online in a different colour...

p.s. Jimbo made me post this:sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:

grh · Post by **grh** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:02 pm

jimbo;730178 wrote: good now keep your eyes peeled and dont let it happen again

the freedom of fg depends on you :-6:-6

Very nicely put.

Now, how about answering to whether you have specific instances?

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:03 pm

Chezzie;730185 wrote: As an Admin and a mod on several other forums, Im astonished that the forum would be allowed to be used for any personal attacks on another member. We wouldnt allow that, it would be stopped straight away and sorted out fairly behind closed doors as to maintain a calm and harmonised forum.

Anyone can be reported including Admin if need be, moderators are exactly that, there to moderate a forum not to pass judgement,or use the postion to their advantage, same as a member.

I have been horrified at some of the comments I have read about members in the mod staff rooms and have always said so...No need for rudeness.

Ive just dealt with an extremely difficult situation between 2 women members over an arcade games tournament where one felt the other was cheating. Their were no dummies spat out, no blood on the carpets and none of the other members were aware of the spat...

Thanks for the link that shown the list of moderators, very informative and can I add should be in the rules of the forum so people know who to go to if need be.

All the forums iv'e ever been involved with, have shown their mods with a title above their avatar or show online in a different colour...

p.s. Jimbo made me post this:sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:

nasty jim:wah:

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:03 pm

mods have two hats here; as mods and as members.

Some boards are strictly moderated some are not. FG tries not to be a strictly moderated board and, as such, mods are also allowed to express their opinions as openly as all the other members do. It is, likely, one of the reasons mods, who are volunteers, are willing to do the job. Personally, if I was not allowed to enjoy the same privileges as the other members because i was a mod I would not be a mod.

As with all lines that need to be drawn, where to draw that line is a difficult decision. As we are volunteers, we can not expect every mod to be available at a moments notice when something is happening on the forum.

There are some problems that are simple and straightforward and others that are not. The important thing is that the mods all feel they can express themselves openly and the more often we disagree the more we can be sure that we are functioning fairly. It is unfortunate that members can't always know what is being done about problems. Because of the amount of discussion that goes into resolving issues, it sometimes appears that nothing is being done when, in fact, we are deciding on the best course of action.

Members also don't know when infractions are given unless the person is banned as a result or if the person announces it.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:04 pm

grh;730186 wrote: Very nicely put.

Now, how about answering to whether you have specific instances?

dragging up past instances not a good idea

let sleeping dogs lie

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:09 pm

I'd like to say that, with this current group of mods, I have not seen a single personality change since they were made mods. All of our mods continue to post in the same manner as they did before their status changed.

For a power trip to be happening, a person would demonstrate a change in their sense of personal power. I haven't noticed that.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:10 pm

jimbo;730190 wrote: i dont want to start any trouble terri , i'm sorry if i am stirring up a hornets nest for you ,i'm not mentioning any names but i have seen things that should not of been allowed to go unchallenged

if all of us sit on our hands and let blatent mod abuse go by without a whisper it could be one of us next time , i happen to think 99% of the time the mods do a great job but if one instance of mod abuse of power goes by unchallenged we all ,every person on fg loses freedom to post what we want ,its like a big kid in the playground picking on a little kid who can do nothing back ,i'm sure as hell we would not let it happen there in the playground and we sure as hell should not let it happen here on fg

good post i agree

Kittypaws · Post by **Kittypaws** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:12 pm

jimbo;730114 wrote: apart from koan and spot who just seem to have it in for everyone just the same :wah:

if a mod is blatantly being unfair to another member of FG and is abusing his/her power do you other mods have the backbone to send a pm to said not so moderate mod and say so

or do you guys all sit on your thumbs and get old tombie to say something

i have had a couple of run ins with koan head and sheryl told me to button it once .. oh and i'm always getting the speaking in tongues sort of warning from spot :wah::wah:

but on the whole if a mod is having a go at a member unfairly do we have a fair moderate bunch of mods or are we beholding to a bunch of power hungry turn a blind eye mods cant do a thing wrong bunch of mods who moderate us but not each other ..... kind of lost myself there

but you know what i mean

every post your thoughts here please

How come this started out with a member asking a perfectly legitimate and fair question and the thread ended up with the mods and others making light of it and joking around?

Can't we get a straight answer to the question?

I have been a member of a forum where a couple of mods abused their position and set a person up and virtually forced him to leave.

And don't tell me this can't or doesn't happen because i know it does.

This was the question:

if a mod is blatantly being unfair to another member of FG and is abusing his/her power do you other mods have the backbone to send a pm to said not so moderate mod and say so

Can we have an answer?

minks · Post by **minks** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:13 pm

when I applied for modship I was sent this polite response, I am certain spot sent it.:wah::wah:

Welcome to this quiet spot of Oracle's world.

If you landed here, it must be because you came across some weird or improbable ORA-XXXXX error.

I am no guru, at least not yet, I am trying to do an honest work annotating some situations that may take hours to be fixed when you are clueless and, believe me, if you do serious Oracle Development, you will be clueless sooner or later.

Enjoy your visit! Flavio Casetta

grh · Post by **grh** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:14 pm

RedGlitter;730181 wrote: Recent examples would be infracting or banning members because a mod didn't like what was said to their (the mod's) friends, and handing out infractions to spite members due to personal reasons such as a dissolved friendship...both of these would be unacceptable behavior and have occurred. Another example would be abusive remarks from mods, which have also occurred. There have been several other instances in the past but bringing them up would stir stuff, I'm afraid.

These are all nasty things, if they have in fact occurred. But this is a vague answer, where I am looking for specifics. If someone wants to say that a specific mod did a specific act against a specific member, they need to say it outright.

You can't expect corrective action to occur on vague accusations. If it did not happen to you specifically, you are only able to judge based on information received from someone who feels wronged. That can't get you all the facts you need to reach an unbiased opinion.

And the fact that two members may not care for one another does not exempt one of those members from moderation if the other feels they have abused the TOS, IMO.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:16 pm

Kittypaws;730196 wrote: How come this started out with a member asking a perfectly legitimate and fair question and the thread ended up with the mods and others making light of it and joking around?

Can't we get a straight answer to the question?

I have been a member of a forum where a couple of mods abused their position and set a person up and virtually forced him to leave.

And don't tell me this can't or doesn't happen because i know it does.

This was the question:

if a mod is blatantly being unfair to another member of FG and is abusing his/her power do you other mods have the backbone to send a pm to said not so moderate mod and say so

Can we have an answer?

I have been answering questions. Perhaps you were hoping for answers that were more provocative?

You might also note that members who are not mods often gang up to drive people from a forum. Power is a subjective thing. I don't notice any mods power tripping because they are mods. That was an issue a long time ago prior to the current moderator team.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:20 pm

the answer is if ya see a mod/or mods behaving badly report it

to addmin/ tombs

but if ya hit report all the mod on duty see it