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I can't get into the link.The sad fact is in todays society bullying has become way too sinister.In my day if someone tried it on,then you would end up having a cat fight,no weapons involved,and then they would back off.These days it is not only school but text and my space bullying as well.I feel so sorry for the youngsters of today,also can't believe how vicious a lot of the young girls have become.
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That and others are from The Citizens Commission on Human Rights of which I'm a member. Good to see the word is getting out.
I won't preach but my opinion?
Ritalin, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Paxil and Prozac (and others) all of which are prescribed for ADD/ADHD are psychotropic drugs. They are often prescribed one on top of the other. In other words, if the first one doesn't work add a new one.
Until it becomes a cocktail that would drive anyone to pull out a rifle and kill their classmates and them selves.
Psychiatry is killing our children.
:mad:
I won't preach but my opinion?
Ritalin, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Paxil and Prozac (and others) all of which are prescribed for ADD/ADHD are psychotropic drugs. They are often prescribed one on top of the other. In other words, if the first one doesn't work add a new one.
Until it becomes a cocktail that would drive anyone to pull out a rifle and kill their classmates and them selves.
Psychiatry is killing our children.
:mad:
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I am confused. What is this vid. telling us? Is it that anti-depressants prescribed to kids causes them to commit suicide? :-3
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You're not confused at all, Pheasy.
That's exactly what it tells you and that's exactly what they do.
Welcome to my passion.
That's exactly what it tells you and that's exactly what they do.
Welcome to my passion.
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JacksDad;721563 wrote: That and others are from The Citizens Commission on Human Rights of which I'm a member. Good to see the word is getting out.
I won't preach but my opinion?
Ritalin, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Paxil and Prozac (and others) all of which are prescribed for ADD/ADHD are psychotropic drugs. They are often prescribed one on top of the other. In other words, if the first one doesn't work add a new one.
Until it becomes a cocktail that would drive anyone to pull out a rifle and kill their classmates and them selves.
Psychiatry is killing our children.
:mad:
:( explain JD. I am going to search for this cos. I am sure there have been cases of kids with problems - untreated - that have done some real horrific stuff. :-4
I am interested in your thoughts, as you seem like you have some knowledge here.
I won't preach but my opinion?
Ritalin, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Paxil and Prozac (and others) all of which are prescribed for ADD/ADHD are psychotropic drugs. They are often prescribed one on top of the other. In other words, if the first one doesn't work add a new one.
Until it becomes a cocktail that would drive anyone to pull out a rifle and kill their classmates and them selves.
Psychiatry is killing our children.
:mad:
:( explain JD. I am going to search for this cos. I am sure there have been cases of kids with problems - untreated - that have done some real horrific stuff. :-4
I am interested in your thoughts, as you seem like you have some knowledge here.
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I dont agree with children being given antidepressants, hell im not free and easy with the Calpol and agonised for months over the MMR jab after seeing my best friends son being diagnosed Autistic and heard her views ect...
If a child has depression, pills are not the best way to treat it in my opinion. Im sorry if their are people here who have children who are on antidepressants and feel i shouldnt judge but thats how I feel.
Giving children medicine at the first sign of a problem, whether paracetamol for a headache or Prozac for a bad mood, sends a powerful message to the youthful mind - pills will cure your ills. It’s a message that drug companies would like to see embedded in all of our minds. In fact, it is the hidden damage of early drug use that is most difficult to spot and remedy. Early childhood is a time of tremendous changes in the human brain.
Im sure their will be isolated cases where their was no other option but to prescribe.
If a child has depression, pills are not the best way to treat it in my opinion. Im sorry if their are people here who have children who are on antidepressants and feel i shouldnt judge but thats how I feel.
Giving children medicine at the first sign of a problem, whether paracetamol for a headache or Prozac for a bad mood, sends a powerful message to the youthful mind - pills will cure your ills. It’s a message that drug companies would like to see embedded in all of our minds. In fact, it is the hidden damage of early drug use that is most difficult to spot and remedy. Early childhood is a time of tremendous changes in the human brain.
Im sure their will be isolated cases where their was no other option but to prescribe.
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Anti-depressants, when given to children have the opposite effect.
Kids minds speed to the point of tripping as if they took LSD.
The disgusting part is that psychiatry is aware of this but they admittedly don't know why it happens.
WTF? Give my child drugs and you don't know what they do?
I can give you stories of adults as well that were put on this cocktail of death but have been saved.
Or a 17 year old boy in my town who went on the Ritalin ride to the point where he enjoyed the high so much he started "illegal" drugs. His cocaine addiction got so bad that he nearly killed himself. Instead he went to a........
PSYCHIATRIST! who prescribed Effexor to get him off the cocaine!
Read more at CCHR.
http://www.cchr.org/
Kids minds speed to the point of tripping as if they took LSD.
The disgusting part is that psychiatry is aware of this but they admittedly don't know why it happens.
WTF? Give my child drugs and you don't know what they do?
I can give you stories of adults as well that were put on this cocktail of death but have been saved.
Or a 17 year old boy in my town who went on the Ritalin ride to the point where he enjoyed the high so much he started "illegal" drugs. His cocaine addiction got so bad that he nearly killed himself. Instead he went to a........
PSYCHIATRIST! who prescribed Effexor to get him off the cocaine!
Read more at CCHR.
http://www.cchr.org/
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Don't go anywhere JD! 
I want to talk about this more...I'll be back in about 15 mins :-4
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Chezzie;721567 wrote: Early childhood is a time of tremendous changes in the human brain.
Thank you, Chez.
The change that brings about what is called ADD, autism, etc occurs neurologically in the hypothalamus.
The hypothalamus is affected by diet.
Yes. What they eat!
Stop giving your kids Micky D's and candy and watch their grades improve.
Thank you, Chez.
The change that brings about what is called ADD, autism, etc occurs neurologically in the hypothalamus.
The hypothalamus is affected by diet.
Yes. What they eat!
Stop giving your kids Micky D's and candy and watch their grades improve.
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I would so love to find another answer.......I am not arguing here ..... find me another solution. :-4 That is what I want ... cos I agree, but whats the answer here ..
As a baby my son never slept. He wanted to, he was so tired. He would go into spasms that he could not control, I'm talking at a few months old. The spasms were so severe that we had him tested, honestly it looked like he was having a seizure. The tests came back ok - there was nothing wrong. He also would grab hold of me and seem unable to let go - his mind seemed to have no control over his body... I am still talking about a baby that sleeps in a crib.
As he grew older, you would not believe this child of mine. I never saw so much love, energy and happiness come from one single being. No one could contain this much passion, its unreal - but he did, the feelings were gob smacking.
I would do the usual stuff, like take him to mother and toddler groups etc.and he would launch into this, as he did in life, with passion, enthusiasm and unconditional love. Trouble is other kids did not understand this. They did not understand this kid, who was oblivious to the needs of others, just so totally focused on his passion at that time. When they did voice their rage, he was devastated, no mortified - he could not understand what had happened or what was now happening.
When he reached school age, he still approached life in a happy, oh so happy way. Totally oblivious to how much he annoyed people. Until they did not want to play with him anymore....they did not appreciate being knocked over by him...did not appreciate his 'oblivious to others' ways and apparent self centeredness - unknowingly to them it was not deliberate. Did you ever try forcing your child to go to school where he knew that no one wanted to be with him, where he knew, yet again, he would spend recess sitting alone on a bench.
Believe me I tried everything.. I fought this like you would not believe. He was on a totally organic diet, I tried natural products. In the end I had to help him, he was so sad, his safety was at risk ... he could not walk down the street without risk of suddenly darting out in the road and being hit by a car. What would you do...? If there is another answer, give it to me now..cos I would try anything. :-1
As a baby my son never slept. He wanted to, he was so tired. He would go into spasms that he could not control, I'm talking at a few months old. The spasms were so severe that we had him tested, honestly it looked like he was having a seizure. The tests came back ok - there was nothing wrong. He also would grab hold of me and seem unable to let go - his mind seemed to have no control over his body... I am still talking about a baby that sleeps in a crib.
As he grew older, you would not believe this child of mine. I never saw so much love, energy and happiness come from one single being. No one could contain this much passion, its unreal - but he did, the feelings were gob smacking.
I would do the usual stuff, like take him to mother and toddler groups etc.and he would launch into this, as he did in life, with passion, enthusiasm and unconditional love. Trouble is other kids did not understand this. They did not understand this kid, who was oblivious to the needs of others, just so totally focused on his passion at that time. When they did voice their rage, he was devastated, no mortified - he could not understand what had happened or what was now happening.
When he reached school age, he still approached life in a happy, oh so happy way. Totally oblivious to how much he annoyed people. Until they did not want to play with him anymore....they did not appreciate being knocked over by him...did not appreciate his 'oblivious to others' ways and apparent self centeredness - unknowingly to them it was not deliberate. Did you ever try forcing your child to go to school where he knew that no one wanted to be with him, where he knew, yet again, he would spend recess sitting alone on a bench.
Believe me I tried everything.. I fought this like you would not believe. He was on a totally organic diet, I tried natural products. In the end I had to help him, he was so sad, his safety was at risk ... he could not walk down the street without risk of suddenly darting out in the road and being hit by a car. What would you do...? If there is another answer, give it to me now..cos I would try anything. :-1
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Can you image each day filled with 'Josh stop that', 'Josh get off that chair' 'Josh be quiet' 'Josh sit still' ..... what sort of life is that?
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Stardust;721544 wrote: I was searching through You Tube and found these Public Service Announcements. The last PSA was probably the most hard-hitting but it did make me think.
To view these PSAs, click on the link below:-
If anyone has any views on these, whether negative or positive, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
:-3 WOW!
That has to be the most hard hitting thing I've seen on FG. :-1
To view these PSAs, click on the link below:-
If anyone has any views on these, whether negative or positive, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
:-3 WOW!
That has to be the most hard hitting thing I've seen on FG. :-1
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How old is Josh now? What is he like?
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My apologies, Pheasy. That's none of my business.
It's just, as I said, my passion,
I can strongly recommend something for you.
If you're interested I'll pm you.
I won't post it because I don't want to be accused of selling snake oils or spamming.
I'm not selling anything.
It's just, as I said, my passion,
I can strongly recommend something for you.
If you're interested I'll pm you.
I won't post it because I don't want to be accused of selling snake oils or spamming.
I'm not selling anything.
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JacksDad;721584 wrote: How old is Josh now? What is he like?
Josh is nearly 13 years old now. He is on Focalin 20mg (ADHD), Celexa 20mg (depression), Abilify 2.5 mg (bi-polar) .... believe me when I say it breaks my heart each morning when I give him these. I do not see it as the easy option - I would rather not give him these and have the trauma in our life - if I could give everything I ever had and believed in, to replace these I would. Please don't think I am taking an easy option here.
But now I have a son who has friends, who does not feel like a failure anymore, who knows he is a valuable member of society. For the first time in his life he believes in himself :-4
Josh is nearly 13 years old now. He is on Focalin 20mg (ADHD), Celexa 20mg (depression), Abilify 2.5 mg (bi-polar) .... believe me when I say it breaks my heart each morning when I give him these. I do not see it as the easy option - I would rather not give him these and have the trauma in our life - if I could give everything I ever had and believed in, to replace these I would. Please don't think I am taking an easy option here.
But now I have a son who has friends, who does not feel like a failure anymore, who knows he is a valuable member of society. For the first time in his life he believes in himself :-4
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And my heart fell when you I read that. I won't preach. I will never try to force a parent to do something other than what they think is best for their child.
But I will, in one post only, beg.
Please don't allow this to go any further.
If need be I will buy and ship you some Balance myself.
It's not too late. It's never too late.
He's okay and you know it.
He's a very intelligent boy. So intelligent he bypasses social skills.
The drug cocktail just stones him into being a functional member of society. A zombie if you will.
Just like drinking makes you more sociable at a party.
That's not Josh. That's Josh on drugs.
Contact me if you want.
But I will, in one post only, beg.
Please don't allow this to go any further.
If need be I will buy and ship you some Balance myself.
It's not too late. It's never too late.
He's okay and you know it.
He's a very intelligent boy. So intelligent he bypasses social skills.
The drug cocktail just stones him into being a functional member of society. A zombie if you will.
Just like drinking makes you more sociable at a party.
That's not Josh. That's Josh on drugs.
Contact me if you want.
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JacksDad;721594 wrote: And my heart fell when you I read that. I won't preach. I will never try to force a parent to do something other than what they think is best for their child.
But I will, in one post only, beg.
Please don't allow this to go any further.
If need be I will buy and ship you some Balance myself.
It's not too late. It's never too late.
He's okay and you know it.
He's a very intelligent boy. So intelligent he bypasses social skills.
The drug cocktail just stones him into being a functional member of society. A zombie if you will.
Just like drinking makes you more sociable at a party.
That's not Josh. That's Josh on drugs.
Contact me if you want.
I did :-1 :-4
But I will, in one post only, beg.
Please don't allow this to go any further.
If need be I will buy and ship you some Balance myself.
It's not too late. It's never too late.
He's okay and you know it.
He's a very intelligent boy. So intelligent he bypasses social skills.
The drug cocktail just stones him into being a functional member of society. A zombie if you will.
Just like drinking makes you more sociable at a party.
That's not Josh. That's Josh on drugs.
Contact me if you want.
I did :-1 :-4
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Stardust;721544 wrote: I was searching through You Tube and found these Public Service Announcements. The last PSA was probably the most hard-hitting but it did make me think.
To view these PSAs, click on the link below:-
If anyone has any views on these, whether negative or positive, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
This has completely and utterly floored me! Absolutely shocking stuff.
I really want to comment but I don't feel I have the words :-1
To view these PSAs, click on the link below:-
If anyone has any views on these, whether negative or positive, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
This has completely and utterly floored me! Absolutely shocking stuff.
I really want to comment but I don't feel I have the words :-1
Very nearly perfect ... 
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pinkchick;721616 wrote: This has completely and utterly floored me! Absolutely shocking stuff.
I really want to comment but I don't feel I have the words :-1
It is scary Chicky - I don't know what to understand right now. All I know is what I did was out of love - I just hope to god I was right :-1 :-4
I really want to comment but I don't feel I have the words :-1
It is scary Chicky - I don't know what to understand right now. All I know is what I did was out of love - I just hope to god I was right :-1 :-4
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ThePheasant;721619 wrote: It is scary Chicky - I don't know what to understand right now. All I know is what I did was out of love - I just hope to god I was right :-1 :-4
You were. Are the drugs working? Is Josh a functional being in society? Is he a basically happy person? I am deeply tied to this issue as you know but I will speak privately to you because my anger right now at some of these foolish notions would not be good to show here.
You were. Are the drugs working? Is Josh a functional being in society? Is he a basically happy person? I am deeply tied to this issue as you know but I will speak privately to you because my anger right now at some of these foolish notions would not be good to show here.
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A functional being in society.
Thanks to drugs.
You have my email Pheasy.
I'm not going to have this argument on FG.
Thanks to drugs.
You have my email Pheasy.
I'm not going to have this argument on FG.
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This is an emotional topic for one thing. I don't think there is one right answer. I used to have my opinion that no kid should be given a pill for adhd or to be labeled at a young age as having oppositional defiant disorder, childhood bipolar disorder, worse yet a combination of labels that makes the kid into some kind of walking mental illness rather than a child with symptoms to be treated.
I still feel it's mostly society that could use the pill to chill about differences in kids in the first place. Kids would probably have an easier time accepting other kids with behavioral differences if parents/adults would help to reshape the thinking and reclaiming our right to actually be different! Stigmas have to come from somewhere, and maybe they start with the reactions of others.
That said, I think psychiatrists must be irresponsible to prescribe psychotropic? drugs with these known side effects. There has got to be a better way to alter what's going on! But then again, noone really has much time to deal with these problems anyway, unless of course we get paid for it, then of course we have to follow protocol. And we can't be on call all the time. And we have to be objective about the individuals we treat and then what is our response to something tragic that happens due to a combination of things, naturally not let it keep us up at night, afterall it wasn't a member of our family this happened to.
I don't know, it's hard not to be pessimistic about psychiatry in general. I think psychiatrists have a hard job, and can be blamed for things that is not any one person's fault.
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I still feel it's mostly society that could use the pill to chill about differences in kids in the first place. Kids would probably have an easier time accepting other kids with behavioral differences if parents/adults would help to reshape the thinking and reclaiming our right to actually be different! Stigmas have to come from somewhere, and maybe they start with the reactions of others.
That said, I think psychiatrists must be irresponsible to prescribe psychotropic? drugs with these known side effects. There has got to be a better way to alter what's going on! But then again, noone really has much time to deal with these problems anyway, unless of course we get paid for it, then of course we have to follow protocol. And we can't be on call all the time. And we have to be objective about the individuals we treat and then what is our response to something tragic that happens due to a combination of things, naturally not let it keep us up at night, afterall it wasn't a member of our family this happened to.
I don't know, it's hard not to be pessimistic about psychiatry in general. I think psychiatrists have a hard job, and can be blamed for things that is not any one person's fault.
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I don't blame psychiatry as whole. Only those psychiatrists that sell out their profession to the pharmaceutical companies that give the "doctors" huge kickbacks to peddle their drugs.
Shall I post the autopsy reports of the Columbine killers?
And other kids who killed themselves and or other students?
Shall I post the autopsy reports of the Columbine killers?
And other kids who killed themselves and or other students?
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I'm not going to argue this issue either because it's far too important to me.
I will however agree with the comment about shrinks peddling kickback drugs. They do that with all drugs, not just psych drugs and they must be watched.
I will also say that psych drugs prevented me from killing myself. I too, know what I'm talking about here, perhaps from a different side. I don't like the potentially false information I'm seeing here at all.
Let's stop assuming a child's life is guaranteed carefree and perfect and all they need is fresh air. That's a joke. Kids can have mental disorders just like they can have diabetes, heart murmurs or what have you. When you fail to be open minded to all the possibilities and just smear psychiatry as a quack machine, you are doing a hell of a disservice to kids.
I will however agree with the comment about shrinks peddling kickback drugs. They do that with all drugs, not just psych drugs and they must be watched.
I will also say that psych drugs prevented me from killing myself. I too, know what I'm talking about here, perhaps from a different side. I don't like the potentially false information I'm seeing here at all.
Let's stop assuming a child's life is guaranteed carefree and perfect and all they need is fresh air. That's a joke. Kids can have mental disorders just like they can have diabetes, heart murmurs or what have you. When you fail to be open minded to all the possibilities and just smear psychiatry as a quack machine, you are doing a hell of a disservice to kids.
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Hi JD-
You make a good point about the pharmceutical companies, how they control the doctors in many ways. I see this in physical (illness) medicine as well. Too many times doctors are convinced or paid to see that something works because the pharmaceutical companies say so. What a crock! Of course there will be tons of medicines that work like they should but also tons nobody even knows what they do and yet are prescribed by the so-called expert. That's not right. There are people/kids who can benefit by medicines though to kick start the wiring, if severe problems exist, but this probably can be best achieved through natural methods or medicines, some that you know about, not sure.
I wanted to change what I said in my other post too. I said something about how the child with behavioral/mood difficulties, things of that nature, were in need of having their symptoms treated rather than labeled. Maybe a better way of putting this would have been to say the child had challenges needing to be addressed. I don't think it's good to treat symptoms, but the cause, however it's not necessarily easy to find the cause for the symptoms. (Well I have a different theory about causes but for this discussion, what I already said is enough.)
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You make a good point about the pharmceutical companies, how they control the doctors in many ways. I see this in physical (illness) medicine as well. Too many times doctors are convinced or paid to see that something works because the pharmaceutical companies say so. What a crock! Of course there will be tons of medicines that work like they should but also tons nobody even knows what they do and yet are prescribed by the so-called expert. That's not right. There are people/kids who can benefit by medicines though to kick start the wiring, if severe problems exist, but this probably can be best achieved through natural methods or medicines, some that you know about, not sure.
I wanted to change what I said in my other post too. I said something about how the child with behavioral/mood difficulties, things of that nature, were in need of having their symptoms treated rather than labeled. Maybe a better way of putting this would have been to say the child had challenges needing to be addressed. I don't think it's good to treat symptoms, but the cause, however it's not necessarily easy to find the cause for the symptoms. (Well I have a different theory about causes but for this discussion, what I already said is enough.)
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I have a comment about that video that seemingly hasn't come up yet.
"Antidepressants Cause Suicides"
Where's proof of this? How did they determine that psych drugs caused the suicide and that it wasn't the more simple fact that the drugs weren't working properly in the first place? I feel that implication makes that video seem like nothing more than bandwagon propaganda.
"Antidepressants Cause Suicides"
Where's proof of this? How did they determine that psych drugs caused the suicide and that it wasn't the more simple fact that the drugs weren't working properly in the first place? I feel that implication makes that video seem like nothing more than bandwagon propaganda.
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RedGlitter;721640 wrote: I'm not going to argue this issue either because it's far too important to me.
I will however agree with the comment about shrinks peddling kickback drugs. They do that with all drugs, not just psych drugs and they must be watched.
I will also say that psych drugs prevented me from killing myself. I too, know what I'm talking about here, perhaps from a different side. I don't like the potentially false information I'm seeing here at all.
Let's stop assuming a child's life is guaranteed carefree and perfect and all they need is fresh air. That's a joke. Kids can have mental disorders just like they can have diabetes, heart murmurs or what have you. When you fail to be open minded to all the possibilities and just smear psychiatry as a quack machine, you are doing a hell of a disservice to kids.
RedGlitter, sorry to hear of your troubles. I agree psych drugs can be used to save lives as well-- I'm taking antidepressants now, and have in the past, to treat depression. I know this avenue has helped me get through some trying times.
My biggest gripe is that there aren't a lot of alternative ways of dealing with mental illness. Then again mental illnesses have become less of a stigmatized topic due to the advances made in its study, mostly through medically based research and newer drugs to treat previously untreatable or unrecognized mental illnesses.
I'm sort of open to the possiblity there are ways to deal with childhood difficulties that don't involve messing with things we just do not have enough info about. I hope that if a child or adolescent needs to have meds prescribed that someone close to the person will make sure the dose is correct and watch for any signs of side effects. Also it would be fantastic if these problems could ultimately be dealt with without drugs. Prevention is good too
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I will however agree with the comment about shrinks peddling kickback drugs. They do that with all drugs, not just psych drugs and they must be watched.
I will also say that psych drugs prevented me from killing myself. I too, know what I'm talking about here, perhaps from a different side. I don't like the potentially false information I'm seeing here at all.
Let's stop assuming a child's life is guaranteed carefree and perfect and all they need is fresh air. That's a joke. Kids can have mental disorders just like they can have diabetes, heart murmurs or what have you. When you fail to be open minded to all the possibilities and just smear psychiatry as a quack machine, you are doing a hell of a disservice to kids.
RedGlitter, sorry to hear of your troubles. I agree psych drugs can be used to save lives as well-- I'm taking antidepressants now, and have in the past, to treat depression. I know this avenue has helped me get through some trying times.
My biggest gripe is that there aren't a lot of alternative ways of dealing with mental illness. Then again mental illnesses have become less of a stigmatized topic due to the advances made in its study, mostly through medically based research and newer drugs to treat previously untreatable or unrecognized mental illnesses.
I'm sort of open to the possiblity there are ways to deal with childhood difficulties that don't involve messing with things we just do not have enough info about. I hope that if a child or adolescent needs to have meds prescribed that someone close to the person will make sure the dose is correct and watch for any signs of side effects. Also it would be fantastic if these problems could ultimately be dealt with without drugs. Prevention is good too
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watermark;721644 wrote: RedGlitter, sorry to hear of your troubles. I agree psych drugs can be used to save lives as well-- I'm taking antidepressants now, and have in the past, to treat depression. I know this avenue has helped me get through some trying times.
My biggest gripe is that there aren't a lot of alternative ways of dealing with mental illness. Then again mental illnesses have become less of a stigmatized topic due to the advances made in its study, mostly through medically based research and newer drugs to treat previously untreatable or unrecognized mental illnesses.
I'm sort of open to the possiblity there are ways to deal with childhood difficulties that don't involve messing with things we just do not have enough info about. I hope that if a child or adolescent needs to have meds prescribed that someone close to the person will make sure the dose is correct and watch for any signs of side effects. Also it would be fantastic if these problems could ultimately be dealt with without drugs. Prevention is good too
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Yes. Drugs can be and are beneficial.
But when we were kids we were all add.
Who was perfect? who did everything they were told to do?
Did our parents take us to the doctor if we misbehaved?
My biggest gripe is that there aren't a lot of alternative ways of dealing with mental illness. Then again mental illnesses have become less of a stigmatized topic due to the advances made in its study, mostly through medically based research and newer drugs to treat previously untreatable or unrecognized mental illnesses.
That's a whole
'nother thread. :DGo with that.
My biggest gripe is that there aren't a lot of alternative ways of dealing with mental illness. Then again mental illnesses have become less of a stigmatized topic due to the advances made in its study, mostly through medically based research and newer drugs to treat previously untreatable or unrecognized mental illnesses.
I'm sort of open to the possiblity there are ways to deal with childhood difficulties that don't involve messing with things we just do not have enough info about. I hope that if a child or adolescent needs to have meds prescribed that someone close to the person will make sure the dose is correct and watch for any signs of side effects. Also it would be fantastic if these problems could ultimately be dealt with without drugs. Prevention is good too
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Yes. Drugs can be and are beneficial.
But when we were kids we were all add.
Who was perfect? who did everything they were told to do?
Did our parents take us to the doctor if we misbehaved?
My biggest gripe is that there aren't a lot of alternative ways of dealing with mental illness. Then again mental illnesses have become less of a stigmatized topic due to the advances made in its study, mostly through medically based research and newer drugs to treat previously untreatable or unrecognized mental illnesses.
That's a whole
'nother thread. :DGo with that.
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As Red knows I watch my son very closely. Her advice and help in the past has probably saved me from completely loosing it :-4
All I know is that right now (finally at nearly 13 years) I no longer have a son who cries himself to sleep (thats if he could sleep - he used to be awake till 4am, every night, and then have to be up again by 7am). He no longer goes into a rapid depressed state, for no apparent reason. He has friends now, in fact loads of them, they love his wonderful sense of humour and compassion for others. He's still a handful, but thats his personality and I love him. :-4 He can now sit still at school (did you ever see a 11 year old crawling around on the floor in the classroom - and not actually remembering how he got there), he is able to concentrate and learn. He can now write. Even at 11 years you could not read a word he had written, the ADHD totally shot his fine motor skills. He was able to leave the school we had him in (a private school for children with learning disabilities), and go to our public school where all his friends are.
He is happy and loves to live :-4
All I know is that right now (finally at nearly 13 years) I no longer have a son who cries himself to sleep (thats if he could sleep - he used to be awake till 4am, every night, and then have to be up again by 7am). He no longer goes into a rapid depressed state, for no apparent reason. He has friends now, in fact loads of them, they love his wonderful sense of humour and compassion for others. He's still a handful, but thats his personality and I love him. :-4 He can now sit still at school (did you ever see a 11 year old crawling around on the floor in the classroom - and not actually remembering how he got there), he is able to concentrate and learn. He can now write. Even at 11 years you could not read a word he had written, the ADHD totally shot his fine motor skills. He was able to leave the school we had him in (a private school for children with learning disabilities), and go to our public school where all his friends are.
He is happy and loves to live :-4
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Chezzie;721567 wrote: I dont agree with children being given antidepressants, hell im not free and easy with the Calpol and agonised for months over the MMR jab after seeing my best friends son being diagnosed Autistic and heard her views ect...
If a child has depression, pills are not the best way to treat it in my opinion. Im sorry if their are people here who have children who are on antidepressants and feel i shouldnt judge but thats how I feel.
Giving children medicine at the first sign of a problem, whether paracetamol for a headache or Prozac for a bad mood, sends a powerful message to the youthful mind - pills will cure your ills. It’s a message that drug companies would like to see embedded in all of our minds. In fact, it is the hidden damage of early drug use that is most difficult to spot and remedy. Early childhood is a time of tremendous changes in the human brain.
Im sure their will be isolated cases where their was no other option but to prescribe.
My last comment in my post is perfect for your scenario with Josh, Pheasy. End of the day, its your son and your family life and you have done the best you possibly could by him and if that means for now he has to take these pills, please dont beat yourself up about it. Let's hope in a few years hes able to lessen the dosage eh:-4..
Alternative medicine wont work for all cases, were all different and when I see a mummy desperately trying anything to enable her child to intergrate into a relatively normal and happy life it makes me feel humble and very thankful that I have not had that kind of struggle. I didnt mention my daughter earlier as the post was about the "you tube" message but now hearing your plight I feel compelled to tell you that your not alone in having to make difficult choices.
My daughter has been severely asthmatic since the age of 2 years, she is 8 now and overweight from all the steroids she has to take. Unfortunately for Molly she is also very tall, nearly 5 ft and wears a six 5/6 shoe which makes her the tallest in her year and infact one of the tallest in the school. When she cant breathe and the only thing that helps is 6 pink pills that make her fat, do I care??? NO i dont, I care only about my daughter being able to breathe, same as you only care about Josh enjoying life. Fortunately my Molly is stunningly beautiful and carries it quite well but alas society is very cruel and takes one look and thinks we live in maccy d's......... We watch her diet and she is a very happy and content little girl and we hope soon she will be able to keep lessening her steroid dosages.
My point is.................We are all different and you cant judge a book by its cover........What works for one family would fail in another......Please be free in the knowledge that your a great Mum doing her upmost for her family....You Rock:-4
Heres my molls :-4
If a child has depression, pills are not the best way to treat it in my opinion. Im sorry if their are people here who have children who are on antidepressants and feel i shouldnt judge but thats how I feel.
Giving children medicine at the first sign of a problem, whether paracetamol for a headache or Prozac for a bad mood, sends a powerful message to the youthful mind - pills will cure your ills. It’s a message that drug companies would like to see embedded in all of our minds. In fact, it is the hidden damage of early drug use that is most difficult to spot and remedy. Early childhood is a time of tremendous changes in the human brain.
Im sure their will be isolated cases where their was no other option but to prescribe.
My last comment in my post is perfect for your scenario with Josh, Pheasy. End of the day, its your son and your family life and you have done the best you possibly could by him and if that means for now he has to take these pills, please dont beat yourself up about it. Let's hope in a few years hes able to lessen the dosage eh:-4..
Alternative medicine wont work for all cases, were all different and when I see a mummy desperately trying anything to enable her child to intergrate into a relatively normal and happy life it makes me feel humble and very thankful that I have not had that kind of struggle. I didnt mention my daughter earlier as the post was about the "you tube" message but now hearing your plight I feel compelled to tell you that your not alone in having to make difficult choices.
My daughter has been severely asthmatic since the age of 2 years, she is 8 now and overweight from all the steroids she has to take. Unfortunately for Molly she is also very tall, nearly 5 ft and wears a six 5/6 shoe which makes her the tallest in her year and infact one of the tallest in the school. When she cant breathe and the only thing that helps is 6 pink pills that make her fat, do I care??? NO i dont, I care only about my daughter being able to breathe, same as you only care about Josh enjoying life. Fortunately my Molly is stunningly beautiful and carries it quite well but alas society is very cruel and takes one look and thinks we live in maccy d's......... We watch her diet and she is a very happy and content little girl and we hope soon she will be able to keep lessening her steroid dosages.
My point is.................We are all different and you cant judge a book by its cover........What works for one family would fail in another......Please be free in the knowledge that your a great Mum doing her upmost for her family....You Rock:-4
Heres my molls :-4
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That's a great photo, Chezzie. You're right, she is lovely.
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aww thanks Red :-4:-4:-4
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Chezzie;721755 wrote: My last comment in my post is perfect for your scenario with Josh, Pheasy. End of the day, its your son and your family life and you have done the best you possibly could by him and if that means for now he has to take these pills, please dont beat yourself up about it. Let's hope in a few years hes able to lessen the dosage eh..
Alternative medicine wont work for all cases, were all different and when I see a mummy desperately trying anything to enable her child to intergrate into a relatively normal and happy life it makes me feel humble and very thankful that I have not had that kind of struggle. I didnt mention my daughter earlier as the post was about the "you tube" message but now hearing your plight I feel compelled to tell you that your not alone in having to make difficult choices.
My daughter has been severely asthmatic since the age of 2 years, she is 8 now and overweight from all the steroids she has to take. Unfortunately for Molly she is also very tall, nearly 5 ft and wears a six 5/6 shoe which makes her the tallest in her year and infact one of the tallest in the school. When she cant breathe and the only thing that helps is 6 pink pills that make her fat, do I care??? NO i dont, I care only about my daughter being able to breathe, same as you only care about Josh enjoying life. Fortunately my Molly is stunningly beautiful and carries it quite well but alas society is very cruel and takes one look and thinks we live in maccy d's......... We watch her diet and she is a very happy and content little girl and we hope soon she will be able to keep lessening her steroid dosages.
My point is.................We are all different and you cant judge a book by its cover........What works for one family would fail in another......Please be free in the knowledge that your a great Mum doing her upmost for her family....You Rock:-4
Heres my molls :-4
Aww Chezzie, Molls is beautiful. :-4
Alternative medicine wont work for all cases, were all different and when I see a mummy desperately trying anything to enable her child to intergrate into a relatively normal and happy life it makes me feel humble and very thankful that I have not had that kind of struggle. I didnt mention my daughter earlier as the post was about the "you tube" message but now hearing your plight I feel compelled to tell you that your not alone in having to make difficult choices.
My daughter has been severely asthmatic since the age of 2 years, she is 8 now and overweight from all the steroids she has to take. Unfortunately for Molly she is also very tall, nearly 5 ft and wears a six 5/6 shoe which makes her the tallest in her year and infact one of the tallest in the school. When she cant breathe and the only thing that helps is 6 pink pills that make her fat, do I care??? NO i dont, I care only about my daughter being able to breathe, same as you only care about Josh enjoying life. Fortunately my Molly is stunningly beautiful and carries it quite well but alas society is very cruel and takes one look and thinks we live in maccy d's......... We watch her diet and she is a very happy and content little girl and we hope soon she will be able to keep lessening her steroid dosages.
My point is.................We are all different and you cant judge a book by its cover........What works for one family would fail in another......Please be free in the knowledge that your a great Mum doing her upmost for her family....You Rock:-4
Heres my molls :-4
Aww Chezzie, Molls is beautiful. :-4
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The following is a sample of school shooters known to have been taking psychiatric drugs.
May 21, 1998, Springfield, Oregon: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his own parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been on Prozac and had undergone “anger management classes.
April 16, 1999: Notus, Idaho: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school narrowly missing students; he was taking a mix of antidepressants.
April 20, 1999, Columbine, Colorado: 18-year-old Eric Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox when he and his partner Dylan Klebold killed 12 classmates and a teacher before taking his own life in the bloodiest school massacre in history. The coroner confirmed that the antidepressant was in his system through toxicology reports. Dylan Klebold’s autopsy was never made public.
May 20, 1999, Conyers, Georgia: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with a mix of antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
March 7, 2000, Williamsport, Pennsylvania: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was on the antidepressant Prozac when she blasted away at fellow students wounding one.
March 22, 2001, El Cajon, California: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman was on two antidepressants, Effexor and Celexa, when he opened fire at his high school, wounding five. Hoffman had also undergone an “anger management program.These drugs have different effects on children than they do adults.
May 21, 1998, Springfield, Oregon: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his own parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been on Prozac and had undergone “anger management classes.
April 16, 1999: Notus, Idaho: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school narrowly missing students; he was taking a mix of antidepressants.
April 20, 1999, Columbine, Colorado: 18-year-old Eric Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox when he and his partner Dylan Klebold killed 12 classmates and a teacher before taking his own life in the bloodiest school massacre in history. The coroner confirmed that the antidepressant was in his system through toxicology reports. Dylan Klebold’s autopsy was never made public.
May 20, 1999, Conyers, Georgia: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with a mix of antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
March 7, 2000, Williamsport, Pennsylvania: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was on the antidepressant Prozac when she blasted away at fellow students wounding one.
March 22, 2001, El Cajon, California: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman was on two antidepressants, Effexor and Celexa, when he opened fire at his high school, wounding five. Hoffman had also undergone an “anger management program.These drugs have different effects on children than they do adults.
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A very good friend of mine is having similar problems with her daughter, and is considering meds. as she is becoming increasing stressed and scared about what will happen to her. I have sent her the link you gave JD. I will let everyone know what she decides, and the results if she uses this :-4
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Please do.
Remember that it takes approx 19 days for a diet change to take effect.
Thanks for remaining open minded, Pheasy.
:-6
Remember that it takes approx 19 days for a diet change to take effect.
Thanks for remaining open minded, Pheasy.
:-6
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Just read this on my msn homepage whilst logging on and thought id share it.
High on life: the biggest health care fraud in history?
As a new study suggests treating attention deficit hyperactivity disorder with drugs can do more harm than good, one lifelong 'sufferer' questions whether the condition even exists.
It was probably nailing my teacher’s coat to the desk while he was still wearing it that did it. That and glueing his packet of peanuts to the classroom ceiling, at a precisely-calculated five millimetres beyond his furthest reach.
It was the climax of what I – and most of my pre-teen classmates – considered a sustained comedy campaign, a bit of light-hearted high-jinx designed to redress the teacher-student balance of power. It wasn’t my first and nor would it be my last, even though this particular incident triggered a catastrophic sense of humour failure in said faculty member, who mysteriously vanished overnight.
Had I been born a decade or so later, I doubt I’d be writing this today. Rather than spending almost 20 years inventing new ways to terrorise a succession of teachers, lecturers and employers – fuelling other forms of creativity, including writing, in the process – I’d have been given a massive dose of Ritalin and left in a corner to rot.
Ancient roots
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), described by Hippocrates as early as 493BC, is billed by the modern medical fraternity as a neurological disorder usually characterised – especially in children – by inattentiveness, restlessness, forgetfulness and hyperactivity. Genetic in nature, it affects around five per cent of the world’s population and is often treated with a combination of medications, behaviour modification, lifestyle changes and counselling.
In 1999, a study in the US concluded that, after a period of 12 months, medication was more effective in the treatment of ADHD than behavioural therapy. In the years since, prescriptions in the UK have tripled. Around 500,000 children in Britain are currently believed to have ADHD. Of those, 55,000 are on medication, at an annual cost to the NHS of roughly £28m.
Recent revelation
But new research – by the authors of the original study – suggests drugs don’t work in the long-term and, alarmingly, their impact may actually be negative. Take 14-year-old Craig Buxton, whose family kept a video diary of his behaviour. The footage, which was screened on Panorama, shows in shocking detail his night terrors, explosive tantrums and relentless acts of aggression. At one point, Craig breaks down and cries: “Why am I like this, mum? I don’t want to feel like this, I don’t want to be like this. Help me. He has been taking ADHD medication for a decade.
Critics are now questioning whether this so-called chronic developmental disorder is really a disorder at all. Dr Fred Baughman, a child neurologist on the other side of the Atlantic, has spent his professional life examining hundreds of children supposedly suffering from ADHD – and has found nothing abnormal or diseased about them. Nor has he found any hard evidence to suggest ADHD is actually a disease, or that it needs any treatment other than willpower, love and support. As he puts it, “it is the biggest health care fraud in history.
An expert opines
Speaking to MSN UK News, Dr Baughman said: “I have discovered and described real diseases and, having examined hundreds said to have this ‘disorder’ or ‘disease’, I have found nothing wrong, abnormal or diseased about them. I have also found no proof in the medical scientific literature of the world that ADHD is an objective, demonstrable abnormality, disease or disorder. It is the biggest health care fraud in history.
“The bigger-than-ADHD picture is that they – psychiatry in collusion with Big Pharma – have pledged to call all emotional and behavioural, psychological or mental symptoms ‘diseases’ due to chemical imbalances of the brain, needing not willpower, not love, support or adaptability, but ‘chemical balancers’ – in other words, pills.
Cash cow
A conspiracy theory? Perhaps. But when drug-making leviathans in the US (the pursuit-of-superficial-perfection capital of the world) have dedicated ADHD sales forces, you can’t help but wonder who’s really creating the demand. One thing is beyond question: there is an awful lot of money to be made selling drugs – and not just the illegal ones. In the current climate of offspring-as-accessories, any quick-fix for children perceived as less than perfect is unlikely to gather any dust on the shelves.
There are, of course, some children who genuinely need pharmaceutical intervention. However, more often than not, this so-called disorder is really the result of combining excessively spirited children with criminally sub-standard parenting skills – quite the Molotov cocktail. In cases where a child becomes disruptive due to lack of parental care, affection or stimulation, the impairment belongs not to the child, but to the surrounding adults.
Simply semantics
Let’s take another look at those symptoms listed earlier: inattentiveness, restlessness, forgetfulness and hyperactivity. In non-medical speak: fidgeting, forgetting things, talking excessively, running around a lot and being easily distracted. What child isn’t? The problem here is one of perspective. I was thrilled to be alive and found my teachers’ monotonous tones, disinterest in their subject and failure to challenge me a total turn-off. They, in turn, found me disruptive (which I was: it helped relieve the brain-putrefying boredom).
But the real concern isn’t the noisy kids vaulting over furniture and terrorising their teachers (within reason), it’s the quiet children who are completely incapable of engaging with the people around them: the silent insular ones, who go unnoticed by society until they massacre their school mates.
If I ever have children (which I won’t), and they turn out to be unusually spirited (which they would), I like to think I’d turn not to pharmaceutical drug barons, but to Hippocrates, who described people exhibiting ADHD-type behaviour as “restless souls with a simple “overbalance of fire over water. The physician-scientist’s remedy for this overbalance? “Barley rather than wheat bread, fish rather than meat, water drinks, and many natural and diverse physical activities." Beats being doped up to the eyeballs any day.
An opinion piece by Laura J Snook, MSN UK News Editor
November 13, 2007
High on life: the biggest health care fraud in history?
As a new study suggests treating attention deficit hyperactivity disorder with drugs can do more harm than good, one lifelong 'sufferer' questions whether the condition even exists.
It was probably nailing my teacher’s coat to the desk while he was still wearing it that did it. That and glueing his packet of peanuts to the classroom ceiling, at a precisely-calculated five millimetres beyond his furthest reach.
It was the climax of what I – and most of my pre-teen classmates – considered a sustained comedy campaign, a bit of light-hearted high-jinx designed to redress the teacher-student balance of power. It wasn’t my first and nor would it be my last, even though this particular incident triggered a catastrophic sense of humour failure in said faculty member, who mysteriously vanished overnight.
Had I been born a decade or so later, I doubt I’d be writing this today. Rather than spending almost 20 years inventing new ways to terrorise a succession of teachers, lecturers and employers – fuelling other forms of creativity, including writing, in the process – I’d have been given a massive dose of Ritalin and left in a corner to rot.
Ancient roots
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), described by Hippocrates as early as 493BC, is billed by the modern medical fraternity as a neurological disorder usually characterised – especially in children – by inattentiveness, restlessness, forgetfulness and hyperactivity. Genetic in nature, it affects around five per cent of the world’s population and is often treated with a combination of medications, behaviour modification, lifestyle changes and counselling.
In 1999, a study in the US concluded that, after a period of 12 months, medication was more effective in the treatment of ADHD than behavioural therapy. In the years since, prescriptions in the UK have tripled. Around 500,000 children in Britain are currently believed to have ADHD. Of those, 55,000 are on medication, at an annual cost to the NHS of roughly £28m.
Recent revelation
But new research – by the authors of the original study – suggests drugs don’t work in the long-term and, alarmingly, their impact may actually be negative. Take 14-year-old Craig Buxton, whose family kept a video diary of his behaviour. The footage, which was screened on Panorama, shows in shocking detail his night terrors, explosive tantrums and relentless acts of aggression. At one point, Craig breaks down and cries: “Why am I like this, mum? I don’t want to feel like this, I don’t want to be like this. Help me. He has been taking ADHD medication for a decade.
Critics are now questioning whether this so-called chronic developmental disorder is really a disorder at all. Dr Fred Baughman, a child neurologist on the other side of the Atlantic, has spent his professional life examining hundreds of children supposedly suffering from ADHD – and has found nothing abnormal or diseased about them. Nor has he found any hard evidence to suggest ADHD is actually a disease, or that it needs any treatment other than willpower, love and support. As he puts it, “it is the biggest health care fraud in history.
An expert opines
Speaking to MSN UK News, Dr Baughman said: “I have discovered and described real diseases and, having examined hundreds said to have this ‘disorder’ or ‘disease’, I have found nothing wrong, abnormal or diseased about them. I have also found no proof in the medical scientific literature of the world that ADHD is an objective, demonstrable abnormality, disease or disorder. It is the biggest health care fraud in history.
“The bigger-than-ADHD picture is that they – psychiatry in collusion with Big Pharma – have pledged to call all emotional and behavioural, psychological or mental symptoms ‘diseases’ due to chemical imbalances of the brain, needing not willpower, not love, support or adaptability, but ‘chemical balancers’ – in other words, pills.
Cash cow
A conspiracy theory? Perhaps. But when drug-making leviathans in the US (the pursuit-of-superficial-perfection capital of the world) have dedicated ADHD sales forces, you can’t help but wonder who’s really creating the demand. One thing is beyond question: there is an awful lot of money to be made selling drugs – and not just the illegal ones. In the current climate of offspring-as-accessories, any quick-fix for children perceived as less than perfect is unlikely to gather any dust on the shelves.
There are, of course, some children who genuinely need pharmaceutical intervention. However, more often than not, this so-called disorder is really the result of combining excessively spirited children with criminally sub-standard parenting skills – quite the Molotov cocktail. In cases where a child becomes disruptive due to lack of parental care, affection or stimulation, the impairment belongs not to the child, but to the surrounding adults.
Simply semantics
Let’s take another look at those symptoms listed earlier: inattentiveness, restlessness, forgetfulness and hyperactivity. In non-medical speak: fidgeting, forgetting things, talking excessively, running around a lot and being easily distracted. What child isn’t? The problem here is one of perspective. I was thrilled to be alive and found my teachers’ monotonous tones, disinterest in their subject and failure to challenge me a total turn-off. They, in turn, found me disruptive (which I was: it helped relieve the brain-putrefying boredom).
But the real concern isn’t the noisy kids vaulting over furniture and terrorising their teachers (within reason), it’s the quiet children who are completely incapable of engaging with the people around them: the silent insular ones, who go unnoticed by society until they massacre their school mates.
If I ever have children (which I won’t), and they turn out to be unusually spirited (which they would), I like to think I’d turn not to pharmaceutical drug barons, but to Hippocrates, who described people exhibiting ADHD-type behaviour as “restless souls with a simple “overbalance of fire over water. The physician-scientist’s remedy for this overbalance? “Barley rather than wheat bread, fish rather than meat, water drinks, and many natural and diverse physical activities." Beats being doped up to the eyeballs any day.
An opinion piece by Laura J Snook, MSN UK News Editor
November 13, 2007
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Thanks, Chezzie.
Link here,
http://news.uk.msn.com/high-on-life.aspx
Hippocrates didn't have the benefit of neurological medicine.
The fact is indeed growth. The child's growth often outruns the growth of the hypothalamus. That's what causes this type of behavior, To be more specific my son has a neurological case of synethesia.
He needs to spell out the word aloud in order to write it.
This slows him down and frustrates him as he's not able to keep up with his classmates.
His mother and I have since drastically changed his diet (as little sugar as possible) and we give him a vitamin formula. Within two weeks his handwriting and attitude have improved.
Personally I believe that using drugs in order to help a child is a lazy cop out of our responsibilities as parents.
I'm not putting you down Pheasy. I'm well aware of how schools and psychiatrists convince parents that they have no other choice.
Not one of them mentioned cutting out ice cream and candy.
We all had ADD. And we lived through it.
It's called growing up.
Link here,
http://news.uk.msn.com/high-on-life.aspx
Hippocrates didn't have the benefit of neurological medicine.
The fact is indeed growth. The child's growth often outruns the growth of the hypothalamus. That's what causes this type of behavior, To be more specific my son has a neurological case of synethesia.
He needs to spell out the word aloud in order to write it.
This slows him down and frustrates him as he's not able to keep up with his classmates.
His mother and I have since drastically changed his diet (as little sugar as possible) and we give him a vitamin formula. Within two weeks his handwriting and attitude have improved.
Personally I believe that using drugs in order to help a child is a lazy cop out of our responsibilities as parents.
I'm not putting you down Pheasy. I'm well aware of how schools and psychiatrists convince parents that they have no other choice.
Not one of them mentioned cutting out ice cream and candy.
We all had ADD. And we lived through it.
It's called growing up.
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JacksDad;721938 wrote:
Personally I believe that using drugs in order to help a child is a lazy cop out of our responsibilities as parents.
I'm not putting you down Pheasy. I'm well aware of how schools and psychiatrists convince parents that they have no other choice.
Not one of them mentioned cutting out ice cream and candy.
We all had ADD. And we lived through it.
It's called growing up.
Possibly something of a generalisation?
You cannot argue the general from a specific case and you cannot even say that, because all of the cases that you have seen could be cured by diet, no cases requiring drug treatment can exist.
Having said that, I think it is almost a certainty that drugs are overprescribed for ADHD because it is the easy solution for the doctors and the profitable solution for the pharmaceutical companies.
Personally I believe that using drugs in order to help a child is a lazy cop out of our responsibilities as parents.
I'm not putting you down Pheasy. I'm well aware of how schools and psychiatrists convince parents that they have no other choice.
Not one of them mentioned cutting out ice cream and candy.
We all had ADD. And we lived through it.
It's called growing up.
Possibly something of a generalisation?
You cannot argue the general from a specific case and you cannot even say that, because all of the cases that you have seen could be cured by diet, no cases requiring drug treatment can exist.
Having said that, I think it is almost a certainty that drugs are overprescribed for ADHD because it is the easy solution for the doctors and the profitable solution for the pharmaceutical companies.
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If you would like to hear Dr Fred Baughman speak on the subject go here.
Alternative Mainstream.
Alternative Mainstream.
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Bryn Mawr;721948 wrote: Possibly something of a generalisation?
You cannot argue the general from a specific case and you cannot even say that, because all of the cases that you have seen could be cured by diet, no cases requiring drug treatment can exist.
Having said that, I think it is almost a certainty that drugs are overprescribed for ADHD because it is the easy solution for the doctors and the profitable solution for the pharmaceutical companies.
Well put.
Very simply, where was ADD when we were growing up?
And when ADD was born how long after did they add ADHD?
Next they'll make babies take pills because they have blue eyes.
You cannot argue the general from a specific case and you cannot even say that, because all of the cases that you have seen could be cured by diet, no cases requiring drug treatment can exist.
Having said that, I think it is almost a certainty that drugs are overprescribed for ADHD because it is the easy solution for the doctors and the profitable solution for the pharmaceutical companies.
Well put.
Very simply, where was ADD when we were growing up?
And when ADD was born how long after did they add ADHD?
Next they'll make babies take pills because they have blue eyes.
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This is getting ridiculous. Mental disorders are hard enough to get through and understand without the issue being muddled by assumptions and opinions.
First off, ADD is not "growing up." I got that stupid chain email too and I didn't agree with it then either. Where was ADD when I was growing up? Remember Ritalin? It was there, we just called it something different and we treated the kids differently as well.
I have no argument that drugs are overprescribed and often prescribed wrongly, but your opinion that all a kid's ills can be cured by taking away Big Macs and soda or whatever and using homeopathic formulas is erroneous and frankly, dangerous. It may have worked for your child but unless you're a doctor and we don't know it, I'd hate for you to smear the benefits of medications for everyone, just based on your own case.
Also, to say that giving a child medication is a copout for lazy parenting is only your opinion and not a natural fact. I'm sure the parents on here will appreciate knowing they're sh*tty parents because they sought help for their kids.
You have an agenda and you are trying to be helpful but let's stick to the facts.
First off, ADD is not "growing up." I got that stupid chain email too and I didn't agree with it then either. Where was ADD when I was growing up? Remember Ritalin? It was there, we just called it something different and we treated the kids differently as well.
I have no argument that drugs are overprescribed and often prescribed wrongly, but your opinion that all a kid's ills can be cured by taking away Big Macs and soda or whatever and using homeopathic formulas is erroneous and frankly, dangerous. It may have worked for your child but unless you're a doctor and we don't know it, I'd hate for you to smear the benefits of medications for everyone, just based on your own case.
Also, to say that giving a child medication is a copout for lazy parenting is only your opinion and not a natural fact. I'm sure the parents on here will appreciate knowing they're sh*tty parents because they sought help for their kids.
You have an agenda and you are trying to be helpful but let's stick to the facts.
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RedGlitter;721988 wrote: This is getting ridiculous. Mental disorders are hard enough to get through and understand without the issue being muddled by assumptions and opinions.
First off, ADD is not "growing up." I got that stupid chain email too and I didn't agree with it then either. Where was ADD when I was growing up? Remember Ritalin? It was there, we just called it something different and we treated the kids differently as well.
I have no argument that drugs are overprescribed and often prescribed wrongly, but your opinion that all a kid's ills can be cured by taking away Big Macs and soda or whatever and using homeopathic formulas is erroneous and frankly, dangerous. It may have worked for your child but unless you're a doctor and we don't know it, I'd hate for you to smear the benefits of medications for everyone, just based on your own case.
Also, to say that giving a child medication is a copout for lazy parenting is only your opinion and not a natural fact. I'm sure the parents on here will appreciate knowing they're sh*tty parents because they sought help for their kids.
You have an agenda and you are trying to be helpful but let's stick to the facts.
First off, ADD is not "growing up." I got that stupid chain email too and I didn't agree with it then either. Where was ADD when I was growing up? Remember Ritalin? It was there, we just called it something different and we treated the kids differently as well.
What stupid chain mail? I never got it.
Apparently I'm not on the stupid list.
When you were growing up there was Ritalin. Remember it? I've already mentioned it numerous times.
How did we treat kids differently? What do you know about parenting?
Quote me as using the word homeopathic. Go on. I'll wait.
I also haven't smeared the use of medicine. It's hugely beneficial and a welcome gift of science in todays society. I'm talking about greed and abuse.
I have a friend who is bi-polar and since she finally, after two years took my advice to go to a psychiatrist and get meds she's a blast to hang around with. I. Yes I convinced her to get medication.
I also did not blame the parent but the schools and doctors for frightening parent into thinking drugs are the answer. Although I won't deny, as Dr Baughman stated, there are many cases of where it's more convenient to drug a child then to take the time to work with them.
I do have an agenda. An agenda that I am very proud of.
It's called stop drugging our children.
If you would like facts I'll be more than happy to post links to reports from that FDA, AMA and The United States Government.
I don't tell you how to raise animals. Know why?
Because you know more about it than I do.
Now you don't tell us how to care for our children.
Fair enough?
First off, ADD is not "growing up." I got that stupid chain email too and I didn't agree with it then either. Where was ADD when I was growing up? Remember Ritalin? It was there, we just called it something different and we treated the kids differently as well.
I have no argument that drugs are overprescribed and often prescribed wrongly, but your opinion that all a kid's ills can be cured by taking away Big Macs and soda or whatever and using homeopathic formulas is erroneous and frankly, dangerous. It may have worked for your child but unless you're a doctor and we don't know it, I'd hate for you to smear the benefits of medications for everyone, just based on your own case.
Also, to say that giving a child medication is a copout for lazy parenting is only your opinion and not a natural fact. I'm sure the parents on here will appreciate knowing they're sh*tty parents because they sought help for their kids.
You have an agenda and you are trying to be helpful but let's stick to the facts.
First off, ADD is not "growing up." I got that stupid chain email too and I didn't agree with it then either. Where was ADD when I was growing up? Remember Ritalin? It was there, we just called it something different and we treated the kids differently as well.
What stupid chain mail? I never got it.
Apparently I'm not on the stupid list.
When you were growing up there was Ritalin. Remember it? I've already mentioned it numerous times.
How did we treat kids differently? What do you know about parenting?
Quote me as using the word homeopathic. Go on. I'll wait.
I also haven't smeared the use of medicine. It's hugely beneficial and a welcome gift of science in todays society. I'm talking about greed and abuse.
I have a friend who is bi-polar and since she finally, after two years took my advice to go to a psychiatrist and get meds she's a blast to hang around with. I. Yes I convinced her to get medication.
I also did not blame the parent but the schools and doctors for frightening parent into thinking drugs are the answer. Although I won't deny, as Dr Baughman stated, there are many cases of where it's more convenient to drug a child then to take the time to work with them.
I do have an agenda. An agenda that I am very proud of.
It's called stop drugging our children.
If you would like facts I'll be more than happy to post links to reports from that FDA, AMA and The United States Government.
I don't tell you how to raise animals. Know why?
Because you know more about it than I do.
Now you don't tell us how to care for our children.
Fair enough?
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JacksDad;721995 wrote: First off, ADD is not "growing up." I got that stupid chain email too and I didn't agree with it then either. Where was ADD when I was growing up? Remember Ritalin? It was there, we just called it something different and we treated the kids differently as well.
What stupid chain mail? I never got it.
Apparently I'm not on the stupid list.
When you were growing up there was Ritalin. Remember it? I've already mentioned it numerous times.
How did we treat kids differently? What do you know about parenting?
Quote me as using the word homeopathic. Go on. I'll wait.
I also haven't smeared the use of medicine. It's hugely beneficial and a welcome gift of science in todays society. I'm talking about greed and abuse.
I have a friend who is bi-polar and since she finally, after two years took my advice to go to a psychiatrist and get meds she's a blast to hang around with. I. Yes I convinced her to get medication.
I also did not blame the parent but the schools and doctors for frightening parent into thinking drugs are the answer. Although I won't deny, as Dr Baughman stated, there are many cases of where it's more convenient to drug a child then to take the time to work with them.
I do have an agenda. An agenda that I am very proud of.
It's called stop drugging our children.
If you would like facts I'll be more than happy to post links to reports from that FDA, AMA and The United States Government.
I don't tell you how to raise animals. Know why?
Because you know more about it than I do.
Now you don't tell us how to care for our children.
Fair enough?
No, it's not fair enough JD. I know a bit more about it than you have any idea of so don't try to be a know-it-all with me. I too have an agenda. It's called Truth in Mental Health. I will speak out whenever I hear smears or erroneous information, regardless of what it may be or where it comes from. You are no exception. I have already lived the facts so I'm not particularly interested in the links you like so much, but I am open minded enough to look at them if you want to provide them. What I'm saying is let people do what works for their own kids even if you disagree with it.
What stupid chain mail? I never got it.
Apparently I'm not on the stupid list.
When you were growing up there was Ritalin. Remember it? I've already mentioned it numerous times.
How did we treat kids differently? What do you know about parenting?
Quote me as using the word homeopathic. Go on. I'll wait.
I also haven't smeared the use of medicine. It's hugely beneficial and a welcome gift of science in todays society. I'm talking about greed and abuse.
I have a friend who is bi-polar and since she finally, after two years took my advice to go to a psychiatrist and get meds she's a blast to hang around with. I. Yes I convinced her to get medication.
I also did not blame the parent but the schools and doctors for frightening parent into thinking drugs are the answer. Although I won't deny, as Dr Baughman stated, there are many cases of where it's more convenient to drug a child then to take the time to work with them.
I do have an agenda. An agenda that I am very proud of.
It's called stop drugging our children.
If you would like facts I'll be more than happy to post links to reports from that FDA, AMA and The United States Government.
I don't tell you how to raise animals. Know why?
Because you know more about it than I do.
Now you don't tell us how to care for our children.
Fair enough?
No, it's not fair enough JD. I know a bit more about it than you have any idea of so don't try to be a know-it-all with me. I too have an agenda. It's called Truth in Mental Health. I will speak out whenever I hear smears or erroneous information, regardless of what it may be or where it comes from. You are no exception. I have already lived the facts so I'm not particularly interested in the links you like so much, but I am open minded enough to look at them if you want to provide them. What I'm saying is let people do what works for their own kids even if you disagree with it.
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RedGlitter;721999 wrote: No, it's not fair enough JD. I know a bit more about it than you have any idea of so don't try to be a know-it-all with me. I too have an agenda. It's called Truth in Mental Health. I will speak out whenever I hear smears or erroneous information, regardless of what it may be or where it comes from. You are no exception. I have already lived the facts so I'm not particularly interested in the links you like so much, but I am open minded enough to look at them if you want to provide them. What I'm saying is let people do what works for their own kids even if you disagree with it.
Who/what is Truth in Mental Health?
Googled it but all I find are references to individual words. No actual organization or books or even articles.
The facts you've lived I'm not arguing. Your situation is not being discussed here. Unless you really are a 10 year old child. Which is becoming debatable.
I know you want to argue Red. Bully for you.
Go somewhere else and pick a fight.
If you can't find one the go post a news story about the shocking fact that the Pope wears Calvin Klein undies.
Who/what is Truth in Mental Health?
Googled it but all I find are references to individual words. No actual organization or books or even articles.
The facts you've lived I'm not arguing. Your situation is not being discussed here. Unless you really are a 10 year old child. Which is becoming debatable.
I know you want to argue Red. Bully for you.
Go somewhere else and pick a fight.
If you can't find one the go post a news story about the shocking fact that the Pope wears Calvin Klein undies.
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JD, Either take criticism or stop behaving like a pompous ass. Whether or not you and I have any regard for each other, this is not an argument unless you choose to make it one. When it comes to the mental health of anyone- child or adult, the truth and facts are what is necessary and you are replacing facts with your opinions and insulting parents who medicate their children. That is what I am objecting to.
And by the way, I didn't see your organization, what is it- Stop Drugging Our Kids?
Facts please.
Just the facts.
And by the way, I didn't see your organization, what is it- Stop Drugging Our Kids?
Facts please.
Just the facts.
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JacksDad;721563 wrote: That and others are from The Citizens Commission on Human Rights of which I'm a member.
Pay attention.
CCHR.org
Facts.
Dr. Thomas S. Szasz
http://www.szasz.com
PsychSearch.net
http://www.psychsearch.net/teenscreen.html
The Results Project
http://www.resultsproject.net/
The American College for the Advancement of Medicine
http://www.acam.org/
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine
http://www.aaem.com/
Dr. Fred A. Baughman, Jr.
http://www.adhdfraud.org
Dr. Julian Whitaker
http://www.drwhitaker.com
Dr. Mary Ann Block
http://www.blockcenter.com
Dr. Doris Rapp
http://www.drrapp.com
Dr. Alan Sosin
http://www.progressivemed.com
Mike Adams, The Health Ranger
http://www.newstarget.com
Sam Blumenfeld, Renowned Educator
http://www.howtotutor.com
Beverly Eakman, President of the National Education Consortium
http://www.BeverlyE.com
Eagle Forum
http://www.eagleforum.org
Safe Harbor Project
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com
Parents for Label and Drug Free Education
http://www.ablechild.org
Church of Scientology International
http://www.scientology.org
Youth for Human Rights International
http://www.youthforhumanrights.org
Tapering Withdrawal Program
http://www.theroadback.org
American Family Rights Association
http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/
Fighting Child Protective Services False Accusation
http://www.fightcps.com/
International Coalition for Drug Awareness
http://www.drugawareness.org/home
CHAADA -- Children & Adults Against Drugging America
http://www.chaada.org
PsychRights -- Law Project for Psychiatric Rights
http://www.psychrights.org
MCS-Global
http://www.mcs-global.org
(in Dutch)
http://antipsychiatrie.startpagina.nl
SSRI Stories
http://ssristories.com/
Natural Solutions Foundation
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/
Psychiatric Drug Adverse Reactions
http://www.psychdrugdangers.com/
Now please biotch,
You show me some facts for your side or go pick a fight with someone else.
I would however love for you to phone in to Alternative Mainstream on Wednesday night at 9pm est.
321-253-9335 extension 897.
Come and share your "open mind" with Dr Martingano and Dr Sheldon.
Sometimes that show can get a little to dark and it could use a comedic break.
If anyone else would like to discuss the issue presented by the OP please continue.
Or maybe an actual parent feels insulted or offended by my statements. Let's talk.
Rg is back in the ignore pool.
Pay attention.
CCHR.org
Facts.
Dr. Thomas S. Szasz
http://www.szasz.com
PsychSearch.net
http://www.psychsearch.net/teenscreen.html
The Results Project
http://www.resultsproject.net/
The American College for the Advancement of Medicine
http://www.acam.org/
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine
http://www.aaem.com/
Dr. Fred A. Baughman, Jr.
http://www.adhdfraud.org
Dr. Julian Whitaker
http://www.drwhitaker.com
Dr. Mary Ann Block
http://www.blockcenter.com
Dr. Doris Rapp
http://www.drrapp.com
Dr. Alan Sosin
http://www.progressivemed.com
Mike Adams, The Health Ranger
http://www.newstarget.com
Sam Blumenfeld, Renowned Educator
http://www.howtotutor.com
Beverly Eakman, President of the National Education Consortium
http://www.BeverlyE.com
Eagle Forum
http://www.eagleforum.org
Safe Harbor Project
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com
Parents for Label and Drug Free Education
http://www.ablechild.org
Church of Scientology International
http://www.scientology.org
Youth for Human Rights International
http://www.youthforhumanrights.org
Tapering Withdrawal Program
http://www.theroadback.org
American Family Rights Association
http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/
Fighting Child Protective Services False Accusation
http://www.fightcps.com/
International Coalition for Drug Awareness
http://www.drugawareness.org/home
CHAADA -- Children & Adults Against Drugging America
http://www.chaada.org
PsychRights -- Law Project for Psychiatric Rights
http://www.psychrights.org
MCS-Global
http://www.mcs-global.org
(in Dutch)
http://antipsychiatrie.startpagina.nl
SSRI Stories
http://ssristories.com/
Natural Solutions Foundation
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/
Psychiatric Drug Adverse Reactions
http://www.psychdrugdangers.com/
Now please biotch,
You show me some facts for your side or go pick a fight with someone else.
I would however love for you to phone in to Alternative Mainstream on Wednesday night at 9pm est.
321-253-9335 extension 897.
Come and share your "open mind" with Dr Martingano and Dr Sheldon.
Sometimes that show can get a little to dark and it could use a comedic break.
If anyone else would like to discuss the issue presented by the OP please continue.
Or maybe an actual parent feels insulted or offended by my statements. Let's talk.
Rg is back in the ignore pool.
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:wah:
Wow, JD, you just called me a bitch?
You are one hell of a man. :wah:
I think what you've put here speaks louder than all the "facts" you have posted. I think we now can take you for the type of person you have shown yourself to be. Certainly not serious.
One hell of a man, indeed.
Wow, JD, you just called me a bitch?
You are one hell of a man. :wah:
I think what you've put here speaks louder than all the "facts" you have posted. I think we now can take you for the type of person you have shown yourself to be. Certainly not serious.
One hell of a man, indeed.