Just suppose

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:29 am

This is pretend. Its something Ive thought about and I was wondering what other people thought.

What would you do if Osama Bin Laden were standing in front of you ?

Not in a war zone or a cave but in a room. Just you and him.

Hes standing in front of you and your looking him in the eyes, what do you do or say or both ?

JacksDad · Post by **JacksDad** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:58 am

"***** you and your 72 virgins." Then I'd cut his penis off and stab him in the belly.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:01 am

He wouldn't expect it from a woman-but I would take my handy baseball bat from behind the front door, knock him out, tie him up, and turn him over to Homeland Security.

I would let him stand trial-it is not within me to kill another human, like he has helped do.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:37 am

This must be one of those "don't know till you're there" things.

I would probably be awestruck at first. First at the fact that he'd be much smaller than I expected and secondly, at the fact that the POS was actually a walking, talking, common human being.

I'd ask him WTF?!

Tell him his mama should be shot for birthing him.

Spit on him.

Would I turn him in? Maybe to the Mafia. To someone who could do a Good Job. Probably not the government.

What would Nomad do? WWND?

KB. · Post by **KB.** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:08 pm

I'd fix a cup of tea for us, ask if he wanted a cigarette, then sit down with him and talk. I'd talk for hours on end, I'd ask questions, and give opinions. Eventually I would call the authorities.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:15 pm

I would fix him a big plate of my famous BBQ'd pork ribs.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:16 pm

It would be interesting to let him get to know us Americans. Not the politicians, not the wealthy, but the rest of us. I'd like to know why he hates us so much.

I'd like to know why he feels he has to be a leader, yet hide. I'd like to remind him that if he keeps killing people..there won't be anybody to lead.

Then I'd call the police..........

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:18 pm

I'm with KB on this one, I'd want to talk and get inside his head, try to understand why, then I'd turn him in.

cinamin · Post by **cinamin** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:46 pm

Nomad;718330 wrote: This is pretend. Its something Ive thought about and I was wondering what other people thought.

What would you do if Osama Bin Laden were standing in front of you ?

Not in a war zone or a cave but in a room. Just you and him.

Hes standing in front of you and your looking him in the eyes, what do you do or say or both ?

Can I see your weiner?

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:50 pm

All this turning in business has me puzzled. Are people really so desperate for the cash?

The correct order is to invite him to sit, to take coffee and to discuss the state of the world. Maybe he'd share a takeout from the local Balti house later on, who knows.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:57 pm

spot;718421 wrote: All this turning in business has me puzzled. Are people really so desperate for the cash?

The correct order is to invite him to sit, to take coffee and to discuss the state of the world. Maybe he'd share a takeout from the local Balti house later on, who knows.

Who cares about the cash? Why anyone would want to learn the opinions of a repugnant lunatic is beyond me. I know what's coming in the way of a reply to that and it isn't about learning either. The fact that anyone would want to break bread with this SOB disgusts me.

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:01 pm

RedGlitter;718424 wrote: Who cares about the cash? Why anyone would want to learn the opinions of a repugnant lunatic is beyond me. I know what's coming in the way of a reply to that and it isn't about learning either. The fact that anyone would want to break bread with this SOB disgusts me.

It's the acceptance of the propaganda that I find so repellent. Repulsive is the official line. Lunatic is the official line. I mistrust the lying criminal officials far more than I mistrust the man they want us all to hate. I mentioned nothing at all about learning anything, I was merely describing an acceptable degree of hospitality.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:10 pm

Spot, why would you show hospitality to someone who is responsible for murdering innocent people? I do not understand.

My reference to learning was to ward off the usual comments about learning what's inside his mind or how we can be a better country, etc. Coming from his mouth, I simply wouldn't care.

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:27 pm

RedGlitter;718428 wrote: Spot, why would you show hospitality to someone who is responsible for murdering innocent people? I do not understand. Most of the people he killed were soldiers of the USSR while he was fighting alongside the US agencies dislodging Godless Communism from Afghanistan. That's where all this started, if you think about it.

Here's a wiki quote:In 2006, Rex Tomb of the FBI's public affairs unit said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11". So far, the U.S. Justice Department has not sought formal criminal charges against bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks. RedGlitter wrote: My reference to learning was to ward off the usual comments about learning what's inside his mind or how we can be a better country, etc. Coming from his mouth, I simply wouldn't care.

You're putting words into my mouth. I'd not have the slightest interest in his opinion on US society.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:36 pm

spot;718430 wrote: Most of the people he killed were soldiers of the USSR while he was fighting alongside the US agencies dislodging Godless Communism from Afghanistan. That's where all this started, if you think about it.

Here's a wiki quote:In 2006, Rex Tomb of the FBI's public affairs unit said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11". So far, the U.S. Justice Department has not sought formal criminal charges against bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks. You're putting words into my mouth. I'd not have the slightest interest in his opinion on US society.

Well, that wasn't meant for you specifically, but for anyone who would normally say that. There have been a few in the past.

I still can't get behind thinking he's not responsible for 9.11. That boggles my mind.

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:46 pm

RedGlitter;718432 wrote: I still can't get behind thinking he's not responsible for 9.11. That boggles my mind.I don't blame you at all, you've had it dinned into your head by a stack of reporters for years.

When in doubt, cut away the flim-flam. The simple fact is that the current White House administration is knee-deep in collusion with whoever committed the 9/11 atrocities. Osama bin Laden isn't needed as an explanation of anything. He's a nasty chap who's doubtless been behind a number of attacks on US interests, but 9/11 isn't necessarily one of them. The more the administration pushes him as their scapegoat the less I believe it's true.

JacksDad · Post by **JacksDad** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:41 pm

Sheryl;718410 wrote: I would fix him a big plate of my famous BBQ'd pork ribs.

:yh_rotfl

And then I'd stab him.

:wah:

You rock, Sheryl.

vampress.rozz · Post by **vampress.rozz** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:44 pm

Hi RedGlitter, I find your views on this most intriguing especially after reading your views on allowing Dog Bounty Hunter to say what he likes even if it is revolting...so why does Bin Laden not get the same freedom of speach? Obviously they are not in the same league as each other but most either stand for freedom of speech or they dont.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:51 pm

vampress.rozz;718443 wrote: Hi RedGlitter, I find your views on this most intriguing especially after reading your views on allowing Dog Bounty Hunter to say what he likes even if it is revolting...so why does Bin Laden not get the same freedom of speach? Obviously they are not in the same league as each other but most either stand for freedom of speech or they dont.

Well....I don't know that Dog killed anyone. All he did was call someone a racial slur. Big deal. On the other hand, Osama is a murderer and doesn't deserve the right of free speech. I am not sure what's difficult to understand?

I don't think anyone is questioning free speech here...we're questioning what we would do if faced with this killer. I for one don't give a rip what he has to say about a damned thing, so the point would be moot for me.

ps: ETA: Sorry! Hi Vampress.Rozz!

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:59 pm

The presumption of innocence seems to have all but disappeared from modern society. Just because a thousand newspapers have called him a murderer doesn't make him one, that takes a court and a jury.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:03 pm

spot;718446 wrote: The presumption of innocence seems to have all but disappeared from modern society. Just because a thousand newspapers have called him a murderer doesn't make him one, that takes a court and a jury.

I was under the assumption that Nomad's question negated any laws an dthat he wanted to know what we would do if faced with Osama. My God, if we took this tack with everyone and waited around till we personally saw them commit their crime, ignoring all other evidence, we'd be in a hellish state.

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:07 pm

It hasn't occurred to you that you're in a hellish state already?

What you're facing is a bogeyman created by faceless propagandists to terrify you. The man they've traduced to do this is entirely human. You're reacting to the creation, not the person.

Have you really no comment at all on the presumption of innocence? It's been around for centuries as a pillar of justice.

vampress.rozz · Post by **vampress.rozz** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:12 pm

lol no Ive not heard of dog killing anyone either I do understand...I was just pointing out that we all have different views of the same proverbial coin...I like that in ya RedGlitter

Negating the need for evidence I still dont think I could out and out kill someone unless it was to stop an atrocity happening then and there in front of me. However I do have a friend I could call that I know would be more than happy to sort that side of it out for me ....so Id tie him up and pick up my mobile...when my friend arrived Id quietly go into the kitchen to get a beer out of the fridge for him ready for when he was done..being a vegetarian Im a bit squeemish but Id certainly help cover it up.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:14 pm

spot;718421 wrote: All this turning in business has me puzzled. Are people really so desperate for the cash?

The correct order is to invite him to sit, to take coffee and to discuss the state of the world. Maybe he'd share a takeout from the local Balti house later on, who knows.

I don't think anyone thought of turning him in for cash, until you mentioned it. (no offense meant by that) I know I would turn him in, to stand trial.

I really don't think he would sit down and talk with me in the first place, and I really am not interested in talking to him. I don't think there is any thing I would want to learn from him, just things the legal/federal system would want to discuss, at length. I do not find him an interesting enough person, he hasn't shown a philosophical, religious, ethical system I would want to learn about, and understand.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:17 pm

RG, do you seriously think that freedom of speech should be tossed out the window for certain people?? I ask because that freedom is what your countrymen claim to be dying to protect.

Also, if Osama Bin Laden was a Rottweiler I bet you'd have a ton of excuses for his behaviour. I can never understand how dogs lives have become more important than humans (ie- folks wanting to save the abandoned dogs in Lebanon when they got bombed by Israel)

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:20 pm

btw, I don't think this is just pretend, as Nomad would have us believe. I think he's got Bin Laden there right now and he couldn't figure out what to do about it.

So, Nomie, I suggest you invite him out for a day of work with... what was his name? Mike?

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:21 pm

chonsigirl;718451 wrote: I know I would turn him in, to stand trial.That sounds reasonable, I'm all in favour of that. It makes a lot more sense than this wanted dead or alive hype from chicken-hawk "Bring 'em on" Bush.

vampress.rozz · Post by **vampress.rozz** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:26 pm

You could be right Koan (hi by the way) lol but where do you get an Osma Bin Laden at this time of night (22:27 here) I dont think 24hour Tescos ever have them in stock lol Tell us Nomad how'd ya find him?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:34 pm

spot;718449 wrote: It hasn't occurred to you that you're in a hellish state already?

What you're facing is a bogeyman created by faceless propagandists to terrify you. The man they've traduced to do this is entirely human. You're reacting to the creation, not the person.

Have you really no comment at all on the presumption of innocence? It's been around for centuries as a pillar of justice.

We already know he's responsible so what innocence are we talking about here? Do you honestly believe that, Spot? That his guilt is just whitewash made up by the government and media? I do not buy that. There are people who know far more than I ever could, who are paid to sniff out the guilty parties and at this point, I have no reason not to trust them to do their job.

vampress.rozz;718450 wrote: lol no Ive not heard of dog killing anyone either I do understand...I was just pointing out that we all have different views of the same proverbial coin...I like that in ya RedGlitter

Negating the need for evidence I still dont think I could out and out kill someone unless it was to stop an atrocity happening then and there in front of me. However I do have a friend I could call that I know would be more than happy to sort that side of it out for me ....so Id tie him up and pick up my mobile...when my friend arrived Id quietly go into the kitchen to get a beer out of the fridge for him ready for when he was done..being a vegetarian Im a bit squeemish but Id certainly help cover it up.

Thank you, Vampress.Rozz.

You know they say a real friend helps you bury the body.

koan;718452 wrote: RG, do you seriously think that freedom of speech should be tossed out the window for certain people?? I ask because that freedom is what your countrymen claim to be dying to protect.

Also, if Osama Bin Laden was a Rottweiler I bet you'd have a ton of excuses for his behaviour. I can never understand how dogs lives have become more important than humans (ie- folks wanting to save the abandoned dogs in Lebanon when they got bombed by Israel)

In this case, honestly? I wouldn't care about Osama's freedom of speech. He doesn't offer it in his own country, why should we offer him ours?

I'll pass on the dog comments so we can stick to this topic.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:52 pm

I think it's extremely topical. If Osama was a dog that had killed a bunch of people you'd be in there yelling at people that want to have him put down. Because he's human, not only are you prepared to kill him you are using that tired old excuse that we should behave as poorly as a country you condemn so that we can do it quickly.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:57 pm

koan;718459 wrote: I think it's extremely topical. If Osama was a dog that had killed a bunch of people you'd be in there yelling at people that want to have him put down. Because he's human, not only are you prepared to kill him you are using that tired old excuse that we should behave as poorly as a country you condemn so that we can do it quickly.

I don't think it's topical at all. I think it's baiting and I won't be part of it.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:09 pm

In that case, this whole thread is baiting. Notice how he took off shortly after starting it?

I'm serious. If we don't want to discuss whether or not humans deserve more rights than dogs then we're just here to talk about how Nomie should stick Bin Laden in a car with the guy who makes people want to kill themselves and leave it at that.

If anyone wants to continue actually debating Bin Laden's fate seriously then I'm here waiting for a response.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:12 pm

I thought this thread was about Bin Laden. I didn't realize it was about how do you feel about humans vs. animals.

cars · Post by **cars** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:16 pm

"Killer" dogs S/B put to sleep. "Killer" people S/B put to sleep. Rather simple!

koan · Post by **koan** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:19 pm

why not?

It's a valid question why a human, no matter which one, would be treated less humanely.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:35 pm

Nomad;718330 wrote: This is pretend. Its something Ive thought about and I was wondering what other people thought.

What would you do if Osama Bin Laden were standing in front of you ?

Not in a war zone or a cave but in a room. Just you and him.

Hes standing in front of you and your looking him in the eyes, what do you do or say or both ?

Okay, I've read the whole post before answering....and I honestly wouldn't know what to do. I would hope that I would be able to call the authorities, I would take pictures before doing that to prove that he was in my presence and I wasn't making it up.

There is a part of me that would like to think that I could kill him with my own bare hands...but I know I couldn't....I don't think he deserves a fair trail....Innocent people didn't get a trail....why should he?

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:45 pm

I would just leave. He would not have the honor of seeing what I see, breathing the air I breath or standing on the floor where I stand. Just leave - not words - no nothing.

Then call the authorities and watch the #$$%^&& go down!!

Indian Princess · Post by **Indian Princess** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:16 pm

TAZOR HIS ARSE!!!!! and ask him just as he recovered "Are we having fun yet!!!"

Keep that up until the cops arrived.

watermark · Post by **watermark** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:57 pm

First off I want to say that I didn't lose anyone I knew or loved in the terrorist attacks. I was extremely upset just like everyone around me but my perception is skewed by not being personally affected. With that said when I hear the name binladen now I don't feel a thing. Nothing. For several months after 9/11 I probably would have felt more reaction to his name being thrown in as the one who caused the death and destruction in NYC.

Obviously he wasn't the only one. This took many, many people and I would have to hold every last one of them responsible for what happened, none more nor less than the other. And for this process to take place the long time spent bringing the guilty to justice through a civilized and just system (one without error, or as close to flawless as possible) would have erased the degree of hatred I ever had for binladen and his band of thugs.

My thoughts about this kind of person is fused with my feelings for all people everywhere in the world who resort to killing and violence in order to communicate their message. Hatred does not even describe my feeling for these people!

In some philosophies, perhaps Taoism for instance, the thing to do would be to capture only the leader and all would be well. Sung to the tune of ding dong the witch is dead. Not sure if that is correct but could be? There is no easy solution for violence, greed, and power hungry societies. I don't understand the workings of these things, to say the least.

I will say that countries such as the US are no less guilty for setting the stage for such atrocities to happen and we are in many ways doing exactly those things that make me sick about other peoples. We have done things in far away places so the emotional impact on us Americans has been removed or lessened. That's how I feel about it. Even now I am simply amazed how our media and government can report on the loss of our soldiers and fail to mention the loss of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (maybe tens of thousands? :-3) That is not okay by me. But what can I do?

Personally I have no desire to sit face to face with binladen, a mere mortal, and wouldn't be impressed negatively or positively by him in the slightest.

Erin

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:07 pm

RedGlitter;718458 wrote: There are people who know far more than I ever could, who are paid to sniff out the guilty parties and at this point, I have no reason not to trust them to do their job.You have every reason in the world to mistrust them, you just don't want to so you won't apply logic while it comes up with the "wrong" answer. If someone shows you an obvious FBI lie to a congressional committee, for example, you let it glide by rather than wonder why they'd do that.

People who live under rogue administrations tend to say afterwards "what could we have done? We were told things and we believed the people in charge, we'd have been unpopular if we hadn't". You can think of a number of examples of countries like that in recent memory. The current US administration is rogue.

dunkin1 · Post by **dunkin1** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:28 pm

This started of a good topic .

Now it's turned to politics & US bashing.

I thought it was about Bin Laden & what we would do if we met up with him.

I thought all the stirrers & so called trouble makers had left the building???

My bad ,I guess I was wrong :guitarist

cinamin · Post by **cinamin** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:46 pm

koan;718459 wrote: I think it's extremely topical. If Osama was a dog that had killed a bunch of people you'd be in there yelling at people that want to have him put down. Because he's human, not only are you prepared to kill him....

LOL:wah:

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cinamin · Post by **cinamin** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:50 pm

koan;718452 wrote: RG, ......

Also, if Osama Bin Laden was a Rottweiler I bet you'd have a ton of excuses for his behaviour. I can never understand how dogs lives have become more important than humans (ie- folks wanting to save the abandoned dogs in Lebanon when they got bombed by Israel)

:wah:

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Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:54 pm

dunkin1;718524 wrote: This started of a good topic .

Now it's turned to politics & US bashing.

I thought it was about Bin Laden & what we would do if we met up with him.

I thought all the stirrers & so called trouble makers had left the building???

My bad ,I guess I was wrong :guitaristI'm not a US basher at all, I tend to think I stand up for the USA. I agree it's about what people would do if Bin Laden came to them. We've discussed hospitality and propaganda. How's that inappropriate?

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:44 pm

Koan best answer so far..:wah::wah:

[QUOTE]btw, I don't think this is just pretend, as Nomad would have us believe. I think he's got Bin Laden there right now and he couldn't figure out what to do about it.

So, Nomie, I suggest you invite him out for a day of work with... what was his name? Mike?

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:41 am

He already lived in America. He has been a rich playboy, he is no starving peasant who knows nothing better. Of course we all really know the CIA invented 911 and his crowing tapes admitting responsibility are all of course fake, and part of the big conspiracy. Poor Osama, he's been so maligned. It's only natural Sheryl would want to offer him hospitality. Osama bin Laden is the saviour of his people, a real patriot who is showing the west how we ought to live.

If I was in a room with him, just me and him.... I'm younger and stronger. And I'd make durned sure, if it was the last thing I did, that he didn't leave the room in one piece. If possible, I'd feed his remains to pigs.

drumbunny1 · Post by **drumbunny1** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:11 am

spot;718528 wrote: I'm not a US basher at all, I tend to think I stand up for the USA. I agree it's about what people would do if Bin Laden came to them. We've discussed hospitality and propaganda. How's that inappropriate?

I'm sorry Spot.....I havent really been on this thing for long...but what I have seen from you is A LOT of US bashing....hey! Freedom of speech though!

Also, I'm gonna have to side with RedGlitter on this one! I believe that when someone murders another person...nevermind hundreds or thousands...they give up their freedom of speech and any other freedom for that matter! I just wish our court systems...prisons, etc. would feel more fiercely about it.

If I saw him I would probably call the authorities and kick him the $%^& out!

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:39 am

Betty Boop;718412 wrote: I'm with KB on this one, I'd want to talk and get inside his head, try to understand why, then I'd turn him in.

Me too....

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:54 am

WonderWendy3;718472 wrote: Okay, I've read the whole post before answering....and I honestly wouldn't know what to do. I would hope that I would be able to call the authorities, I would take pictures before doing that to prove that he was in my presence and I wasn't making it up.

There is a part of me that would like to think that I could kill him with my own bare hands...but I know I couldn't....I don't think he deserves a fair trail....Innocent people didn't get a trail....why should he?

Everybody deserves a fair trial - otherwise how do you know they're guilty?

Any other course leads you straight into lynch mob rules and / or the police state.

How do you know he's guilty - the government told me so

Start down that road and, as a country, you are dead.

Yes, I'd talk to him - whilst waiting for the authorities to arrive.

I'd also take photographic evidence that he was in good health as insurance against "accidents".

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:02 am

dunkin1;718524 wrote: This started of a good topic .

Now it's turned to politics & US bashing.

I thought it was about Bin Laden & what we would do if we met up with him.

I thought all the stirrers & so called trouble makers had left the building???

My bad ,I guess I was wrong :guitarist

When people start posting that they would put aside the rule of law, taking issue with them is not stirring, troublemaking or "US Bashing" - it's standing up for civilised values.

You bad - you are wrong!