Do You Believe? You Will...

toughiv · Post by **toughiv** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:56 am

DO YOU BELIEVE ? YOU WILL...

This test is not for the feint hearted, not for the weak willed. You must be ready to face the evil within: everything you know to be bad, every disgusting thought you have ever had. All will show themselves to you, you must be strong, you must know that you can win - Faith in God will overcome your every sin.

The Enlightenment

1) You must be alone in your home.

2) You must unplug all items that emitt noise. (TV, Radio, etc)

3) You must ensure that all lighting within the house is turnt off.

4) After lighting a small candle, you must go to the highest, smallest room.

5) You must remove every bulb or electric light from the room.

6) You must sit infront of a dressing table, or place a mirror on a table/cabinet that you can sit infront of.

7) Your face must be a hand's span from the mirror. To obtain this distance, place your thumb on your nose and spread your hand so that your little finger just touches the mirror.

8) From this position, place the small candle between you and the mirror. Prepare.

9) Look directly into your eyes. Keep looking, your face will become blurred, this is the natural course of events. However, keep your concentration, remain focused. If you become scared, ask God to help you, ask God to let you see.

10) That's all you have to do, and for those of you who can remain in this position for five minutes or more, will see why you need to have faith in God Almighty.

11) Remember to tell your friends! This test is free!

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:06 pm

This is a Rosicrucian exercise.

They just replace the word "God" with something else.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:21 pm

Jones Jones;712639 wrote: this is a crock ... u r the weakest link ... goodbye

It's actually just an encrocked version of a very powerful meditation

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:49 pm

Oh god help me, I burnt my nose.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:52 pm

YZGI;712653 wrote: Oh god help me, I burnt my nose.

With a little ketchup it still tastes good.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:06 pm

toughiv;712631 wrote: DO YOU BELIEVE ? YOU WILL...

This test is not for the feint hearted, not for the weak willed. You must be ready to face the evil within: everything you know to be bad, every disgusting thought you have ever had. All will show themselves to you, you must be strong, you must know that you can win - Faith in God will overcome your every sin.

The Enlightenment

1) You must be alone in your home.

2) You must unplug all items that emitt noise. (TV, Radio, etc)

3) You must ensure that all lighting within the house is turnt off.

4) After lighting a small candle, you must go to the highest, smallest room.

5) You must remove every bulb or electric light from the room.

6) You must sit infront of a dressing table, or place a mirror on a table/cabinet that you can sit infront of.

7) Your face must be a hand's span from the mirror. To obtain this distance, place your thumb on your nose and spread your hand so that your little finger just touches the mirror.

8) From this position, place the small candle between you and the mirror. Prepare.

9) Look directly into your eyes. Keep looking, your face will become blurred, this is the natural course of events. However, keep your concentration, remain focused. If you become scared, ask God to help you, ask God to let you see.

10) That's all you have to do, and for those of you who can remain in this position for five minutes or more, will see why you need to have faith in God Almighty.

11) Remember to tell your friends! This test is free!

Seriously!! :wah: and unplug all items that emit noise :rolleyes:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:28 pm

Guys, if you do this naked be sure the candle wax doesn't drip on your er um johnson. You tend to hop around and can cause yourself to burn your nose. Not to mention your johnson.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:32 pm

YZGI;712666 wrote: Guys, if you do this naked be sure the candle wax doesn't drip on your er um johnson. You tend to hop around and can cause youself to burn your nose. Not to mention you johnson.

I guess if that happens then you ......

will see why you need to have faith in God Almighty :wah:

Mia · Post by **Mia** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:50 pm

Oh for heavens sake....whaat a load of old coblers

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:55 pm

Burning one's nose with one's ah . . . johnson would certainly be interesting. LOL

Shalom

Ted:-6

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:23 pm

It works!! It works!!! I saw the Tooth Fairy. I know it was her because she was holding my lower plate.

Chookie · Post by **Chookie** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:35 pm

No it doesn't - I saw my ex playing a harp.....................unfortunatley it's still alive.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:12 pm

Does this experience make your head spin around and spew pea soup?

No, thank you.

watermark · Post by **watermark** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:10 pm

That sounds boring and not too effective. Anyway we used to summon the ghost of um, Mary something, can't remember her name off hand but I think she was the one who died at sea We summoned her in the girl's bathroom by turning off all the lights and staring into the mirror for as long as we could without moving. Was rather spooky back in elementary school.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:26 pm

Pinky;712760 wrote: I'm a witch. I work in the dark, with or without candles (mostly with, they're rather handy) I work alone, am used to being introspective and coming to terms with my own dark side. That's what this is all about, right?

I know it's there, I know what makes that part of me and it doesn't scare me. It's quite handy on occasion.

That's what I think it's all about too.

I suppose my nature of skipping over the schlocky bits prevented me from finding the OP offensive or ridiculous. There is usually a core belief that I can recognise in any religious rite, be it hokey or not.

watermark · Post by **watermark** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:35 pm

I've temporarily forgotten how to post with multiple quotes. Gawd I hate it when I do that

.

You all are too funny!

Yeah, I think it was about 25 years ago that I stopped being afraid of my dark side. Good and evil. Love 'em both.

E

KB. · Post by **KB.** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:02 am

That **** doesn't scare me. I dated a Puerto Rican woman who knew how to use a knife.

toughiv · Post by **toughiv** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:36 pm

KB.;712818 wrote: That **** doesn't scare me. I dated a Puerto Rican woman who knew how to use a knife.

Please understand, this is not to see whether you are afraid of the dark! Rather an exercise to bring you out of it!

toughiv · Post by **toughiv** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:46 pm

toughiv;712631 wrote: DO YOU BELIEVE ? YOU WILL...

This test is not for the feint hearted, not for the weak willed. You must be ready to face the evil within: everything you know to be bad, every disgusting thought you have ever had. All will show themselves to you, you must be strong, you must know that you can win - Faith in God will overcome your every sin.

The Enlightenment

1) You must be alone in your home.

2) You must unplug all items that emitt noise. (TV, Radio, etc)

3) You must ensure that all lighting within the house is turnt off.

4) After lighting a small candle, you must go to the highest, smallest room.

5) You must remove every bulb or electric light from the room.

6) You must sit infront of a dressing table, or place a mirror on a table/cabinet that you can sit infront of.

7) Your face must be a hand's span from the mirror. To obtain this distance, place your thumb on your nose and spread your hand so that your little finger just touches the mirror.

8) From this position, place the small candle between you and the mirror. Prepare.

9) Look directly into your eyes. Keep looking, your face will become blurred, this is the natural course of events. However, keep your concentration, remain focused. If you become scared, ask God to help you, ask God to let you see.

10) That's all you have to do, and for those of you who can remain in this position for five minutes or more, will see why you need to have faith in God Almighty.

11) Remember to tell your friends! This test is free!

This is not to see whether you are afraid of the dark, rather to bring you out of it!

Chookie · Post by **Chookie** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:09 pm

toughiv;712950 wrote: Please understand, this is not to see whether you are afraid of the dark! Rather an exercise to bring you out of it!

Sorry sunshine, your opinions mean less than damn all to me (and the rest of us too I think).

Go hide under your favourite mushroom.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:01 pm

toughiv;712950 wrote: Please understand, this is not to see whether you are afraid of the dark! Rather an exercise to bring you out of it!

Some of us, I think, take exception to the implication that we're in dark, that you understand the nature of the dark and that your unsolicited help might in some way enlighten us. Should we not try to reach an understanding before we resort to forcibly educating each other?

KB. · Post by **KB.** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:32 pm

toughiv;712950 wrote: Please understand, this is not to see whether you are afraid of the dark! Rather an exercise to bring you out of it!

You ain't seen dark. I've been there, hell I've vacationed there. It bores me at this point.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:40 pm

KB.;713073 wrote: You ain't seen dark. I've been there, hell I've vacationed there. It bores me at this point.

But faith in God will overcome your every sin, KB. Damn that's such a nauseating concept, it really is. I don't want them labelled as sins at all, they're experiences. If they have to be labelled sins I want them in balance with my non-sins, not overcome or eliminated - or, most especially, not forgiven. Any paternalist god I meet in my travels will have my derisive tongue poked at him. I brought my own kids up to be extremely wary of doing what I told them to do so any god that claims me can be at least that rational.

Here's my definition for the week - no paternalist god is capable of love.

KB. · Post by **KB.** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:47 pm

My faith is strong. If it wasn't I'd jumped off a bridge by now. I have no problem with a paternalistic God. None at all, but I also believe that he made us the way we are knowing full well we would not be perfect, but that striving to still love our fellow man regardless of the ways of the world is all he asks.

Romans 3:10. As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one.

KB. · Post by **KB.** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:14 pm

The fact that this guy thinks faith can be determined and that the need for faith can be realized by doing what he posted shows me he understand nothing on the subject.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:22 pm

KB.;713079 wrote: striving to still love our fellow man regardless of the ways of the world is all he asks.And by what right does this satanic manifestation of power ask your fellow men for anything at all, if he selectively withholds rewards from those who disobey him? Where does this duty of obedience originate? That's the paternalism and it's not a manifestation of Good.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:12 am

[2) You must unplug all items that emitt noise.

And stick a plug up those that also make noises :wah:

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:11 am

I don't understand the reactions here. I have seen you guys be considerate to complete assholes, even conversing with them over religion and Nazis and all kinds of things so why are you being rude to this person?

I also disagree with some of the comments here. I don't like being preached to either, yet I see some of that from some of you. What gives with that?

For what it's worth, I saw a medium once in a group environment. She was quite well known then in the Sedona area and becoming known in other states but danged if I can remember her name after all these years. She called on her spirit guide to come forth and give us a message for the coming new years. A lamp with a red bulb was used. I'm sure you guys know how that can distort a face. And I was looking for the trick too. I watched her face slowly change from a young woman into that of an old woman within about about five minutes' time. I attributed it at first to the red light or some magician trick but after a while I had to give that up. I suspect that is probably similar to what this new person is telling us.

What touched your nerves with this one? Was it being told what God wants or that we need to have faith from a person we don't even know? Was it that this person didn't introduce him or herself? Something else?

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:23 pm

The lack of intro, the presumption, and the glib filth of the message. Oh, and having "hiv" as part of her username didn't help my mood either.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:07 pm

Red:-6

That red light thingy eh??? LOL.

Couldn't resist.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:10 pm

An interesting point. The word faith is a translation of "pistis" and according to some translators it would be better translated as "trust" rather than faith. Their feeling is that pistis has nothing to do with belief but points to a relationship.

Shalom

Ted:-6

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:20 pm

I think it says "Tough IV" Spot. Not HIV.

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:14 pm

RedGlitter;713229 wrote: I think it says "Tough IV" Spot. Not HIV.

You'd need to ask her, I'm not psychic. If "Tough IV" meant anything I might believe you outright. Tough 4? Tough 4 what?

Mia · Post by **Mia** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:17 pm

Sorry can't be arsed

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:46 pm

Another troll..............

watermark · Post by **watermark** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:11 pm

What did I miss in the thread? I read back as far as when I posted and can't figure out how you all started talking seriously. Was I not serious enough at the start of the discussion?

What does paternalistic mean?

Personally I wasn't deciding whether I would try to replicate this meditative exercise when I first read it. I thought, hmm, I will respond to this thread because I'm lonely bored and don't want to do anything else. So I did. Why the seriousness about it? Well maybe some would think it's demonic or something, is that it? Don't people know how they feel about stuff? Do they always feel so threatened? Well okay if that's it, I guess I will not judge your inferior ways.

We talk about meaningless things on the internet. This is the way of it.

Erin

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:27 pm

watermark;713335 wrote: What does paternalistic mean? Fatherlike He tends and spares us;

Well our feeble frame He knows.

In His hands He gently bears us,

Rescues us from all our foes.

Alleluia! Alleluia!

Widely yet His mercy flows.

(Henry Francis Lyte)

Which is not my experience of the divine at all. No tending, no sparing, no gently, no rescue and no mercy but if you had all that it would be paternalistic.

watermark · Post by **watermark** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:12 pm

spot;713339 wrote: Fatherlike He tends and spares us;

Well our feeble frame He knows.

In His hands He gently bears us,

Rescues us from all our foes.

Alleluia! Alleluia!

Widely yet His mercy flows.

(Henry Francis Lyte)

Which is not my experience of the divine at all. No tending, no sparing, no gently, no rescue and no mercy but if you had all that it would be paternalistic.

Hi spot,

I thought what you wrote contradicted itself. The Lyte quote and that which you experienced-- no tending, no sparing, no gentleness, no rescue nor mercy-- how you defined paternalistic somehow makes me feel the word 'paternalistic' is used negatively in the prior posts on this thread, but only because of your experience of the paternal nature of your personal experience of paternalism. So my question to you might now be, do you feel paternalism to be negative or positive as referenced in the above posts? If so or not, would you so kindly remind me of the point of the thread to begin with, as I've forgotten it after writing this response, haha.

E

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:24 pm

watermark;713348 wrote: I thought what you wrote contradicted itself.

If you saw self-contradiction then I have badly expressed myself as usual.

The paternalism is expressed in the OP's insistence that the experimenter "will see why you need to have faith in God Almighty". Any almighty god who will conditionally "overcome your every sin" is definitively paternalist and evil, not good. I know what's best for you, This hurts me more than it hurts you, When you reach my age you'll thank me for doing this? Who needs a parent like that, divine or biological.

watermark · Post by **watermark** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:13 pm

spot;713351 wrote:

The paternalism is expressed in the OP's insistence that the experimenter "will see why you need to have faith in God Almighty". Any almighty god who will conditionally "overcome your every sin" is definitively paternalist and evil, not good. I know what's best for you, This hurts me more than it hurts you, When you reach my age you'll thank me for doing this? Who needs a parent like that, divine or biological.

okay I understand that term better now. but how is it related to the OP's insistence that the experimenter need the faith of God to endure his or her meditation or reflection on self? that part about a conditional forgiveness of sin, or love, of God never agreed with me. that idea that God's love is conditional is a crock to begin with.

the thread? maybe I just don't get it (shakes head slowly back and forth). oh well will not be the first time.

Erin

watermark · Post by **watermark** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:16 pm

watermark;713360 wrote: okay I understand that term better now. but how is it related to the OP's insistence that the experimenter need the faith of God to endure his or her meditation or reflection on self? that part about a conditional forgiveness of sin, or love, of God never agreed with me. that idea that God's love is conditional is a crock to begin with.

the thread? maybe I just don't get it (shakes head slowly back and forth). oh well will not be the first time.

Erin

Honestly I just don't get what you said!! Please stop me from trying to understand anything religious nature. I can't do philosophy either. I have problems with thinking in the reverse.

goodfriend · Post by **goodfriend** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:29 pm

I will have some friends from here .

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:59 pm

goodfriend:-6

Welcome. Hope you enjoy your stay in the garden.

Shalom

Ted:-6