Christianity has been taking a knocking of late.
One of the reasons is that Islam has been villified, broadcasters who ask for justification of odd Islamic dictates that is not fit for a modern society feel to be seen as being unbiased think they have to knock Christianity as well. This attitude gives a warped impression of Christianity which to me is the basis of a civilized society as given from the New Testament.
It doesn't help when people like Bush and Blair make comments that they hear the voice of god to make decisions, it wouldn't be so bad if they were good decisions but they are bad ones.
Also the Pope has now proven to be a weak barer of Christianity under pressure from Islam.
The acceptance of gay priests has also weakened Christianity and one may question as to what exactly Christianity stands for in an age of lowering morality.
It seems obvious to me that in the long run Islam will overcome Christianity unless Christianity gets back to its foundations and take into consideration to the faults made in the make up of Christianity by Constantine in the pursuit of power rather than the general message of Christianity from the bible and missing stories of the followers of Jesus.
Christianity is about forgiveness and sometimes sacrifice for others not for personal materialistic things, people who follow this doctrine are to be envied because they have purpose and belief in their lives.
Whats wrong with Christianity...
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Whats wrong with Christianity...
What is wrong with Christianity is the same thing that is wrong with all of the world's great faiths-extremism. We have them in Christianity every bit as much as they have them in Islam and others.
All of the great faiths of the world were founded on two principles, justice (distributive) and kindness to all people not just to those of your tribe.
Islam is not worse nor better than Christianity. They have their extremists as well.
The only sin in homosexuality is the abuse that "Christians" and others subject them to on a regular basis.
The basics of Christianity are the same basics of all the great faiths and they are well spelled out in Micah 6:8; Matt. 22:36ff; Matt. 25:31ff.
Shalom
Ted:-6
All of the great faiths of the world were founded on two principles, justice (distributive) and kindness to all people not just to those of your tribe.
Islam is not worse nor better than Christianity. They have their extremists as well.
The only sin in homosexuality is the abuse that "Christians" and others subject them to on a regular basis.
The basics of Christianity are the same basics of all the great faiths and they are well spelled out in Micah 6:8; Matt. 22:36ff; Matt. 25:31ff.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Please consider both the cultural and public health consequences of homosexual behavior. Political correctness is helping those who are desroying their own health and happiness make excuses to continue doing damage to themselves and others.
Consider the evidence:
Gay Bowel Syndrome (GBS):[32] The Journal of the American Medical Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis as "sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes."[33] Many of the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause gbs are found in feces and transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text Anal Pleasure and Health, "[s]exual activities provide many opportunities for tiny amounts of contaminated feces to find their way into the mouth of a sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact."[34]
Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis that are widespread among homosexuals.[35] The Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association reports that "[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons who participate in anal intercourse."
Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association, "enteritis occurs among those whose sexual practices include oral-fecal contact."[36] Enteritis can cause abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption of nutrients, weight loss.[37] According to a report in The Health Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below] "appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with men."[38]
Sexually transmitted diseases – Research gathered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or CDC, has found significantly higher rates of rectal gonorrhea, HIV/AIDS and all three strains of Hepatitis among homosexuals. Other studies have likewise linked homosexuality with increased rates of Human Papillomavirus (the leading cause of cervical cancer worldwide), syphilis and anal cancer. Although self-identified homosexuals account for less than 5 percent of the American population, they are the carriers of over 50 percent of HIV/AIDS cases.
Risky behaviors – Campaigns to foster so-called "safe sex" among homosexuals have done nothing to reduce risky behavior. A 1997 CDC report found that among homosexuals who had unprotected anal intercourse and multiple sexual partners, 68 percent were entirely unaware of the HIV status of their partners.
Promiscuity – A large percentage of homosexual men have hundreds of sexual partners throughout their lifetime. According to a profile of 2,583 homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, only 2.7 reported having had sexual relations with only one partner, compared to the largest percentage that claimed to have had between 101 and 500 partners over their lifetime. Compare that to the markedly lower promiscuity rates among married heterosexual couples. According to the latest statistics from the CDC, 92 percent of married males and 93 percent of married females reported having had only one sexual partner over the previous twelve months (presumably their spouses).
Domestic abuse – A survey conducted by the Journal of Social Service Research found that more than half of lesbian respondents reported having been abused by a female partner or lover. Conversely, research has found that married heterosexual women experience the lowest rates of domestic abuse compared to other types of relationships.
Life span – A 1997 study published in the International Journal of Epidemiology found that even under "the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban center are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871." The same study estimated that homosexual behavior reduces the lifespan of males by eight to 20 years. Comparatively, the CDC has found that male and female smokers lose an average of 13.2 to 14.5 years of life, respectively.
The logical conclusion is that homosexual behavior is hazardous to the public at large and often deadly to those who practice it.
Consider the evidence:
Gay Bowel Syndrome (GBS):[32] The Journal of the American Medical Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis as "sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes."[33] Many of the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause gbs are found in feces and transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text Anal Pleasure and Health, "[s]exual activities provide many opportunities for tiny amounts of contaminated feces to find their way into the mouth of a sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact."[34]
Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis that are widespread among homosexuals.[35] The Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association reports that "[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons who participate in anal intercourse."
Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association, "enteritis occurs among those whose sexual practices include oral-fecal contact."[36] Enteritis can cause abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption of nutrients, weight loss.[37] According to a report in The Health Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below] "appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with men."[38]
Sexually transmitted diseases – Research gathered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or CDC, has found significantly higher rates of rectal gonorrhea, HIV/AIDS and all three strains of Hepatitis among homosexuals. Other studies have likewise linked homosexuality with increased rates of Human Papillomavirus (the leading cause of cervical cancer worldwide), syphilis and anal cancer. Although self-identified homosexuals account for less than 5 percent of the American population, they are the carriers of over 50 percent of HIV/AIDS cases.
Risky behaviors – Campaigns to foster so-called "safe sex" among homosexuals have done nothing to reduce risky behavior. A 1997 CDC report found that among homosexuals who had unprotected anal intercourse and multiple sexual partners, 68 percent were entirely unaware of the HIV status of their partners.
Promiscuity – A large percentage of homosexual men have hundreds of sexual partners throughout their lifetime. According to a profile of 2,583 homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, only 2.7 reported having had sexual relations with only one partner, compared to the largest percentage that claimed to have had between 101 and 500 partners over their lifetime. Compare that to the markedly lower promiscuity rates among married heterosexual couples. According to the latest statistics from the CDC, 92 percent of married males and 93 percent of married females reported having had only one sexual partner over the previous twelve months (presumably their spouses).
Domestic abuse – A survey conducted by the Journal of Social Service Research found that more than half of lesbian respondents reported having been abused by a female partner or lover. Conversely, research has found that married heterosexual women experience the lowest rates of domestic abuse compared to other types of relationships.
Life span – A 1997 study published in the International Journal of Epidemiology found that even under "the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban center are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871." The same study estimated that homosexual behavior reduces the lifespan of males by eight to 20 years. Comparatively, the CDC has found that male and female smokers lose an average of 13.2 to 14.5 years of life, respectively.
The logical conclusion is that homosexual behavior is hazardous to the public at large and often deadly to those who practice it.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Clint:-6
Any sexual contact with anyone can lead to diseases. This has been known for years. Heterosexual contact can also pass on HIV and others just as homosexual content can do the same thing.
You quote that 5% of the population is homosexual. This is actually a difficult figure to establish because most homosexual people are still in the closet. According to other statistics it is closer to 10%.
These folks hide because they're subjected to all kinds of abuse from the rest of society. To say it is not natural is absurd. All living animals practice homosexual acts and it is at the level of 10%. It may not be the norm but it most certainly is not unnatural.
As I said before all sexual contact can spread diseases if they are present. The same holds true for most diseases. Human to human contact can lead to the flu, colds, TB. small pox, ebola, multiple forms of staph infections etc. The best way to avoid diseases is to avoid people. So if you want to present a balanced argument you had better enclose those as well.
As far as it being sinful goes that is nonsense.
From the JAMA
"there is no population-based evidence that sexual orientation and suicidality are linked in some direct . . . [Full Text of this Article]
All too often, prior studies marshaled to examine the mental illness or health of homosexual people used samples seemingly selected to prove the point the researchers hoped to make.4 Gay men undergoing therapy seemed dysfunctional, while volunteers from homophile organizations seemed well.
A good thing about science is that, given enough time, it will eventually correct itself. Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl illustrates that self-correcting process by dispelling two prevalent myths: that reproduction is the sole reason for sexual behavior and that homosexuality is hard to find in the animal kingdom.
The book contains two sections. In the first, "A Polysexual, Polygendered World," Bagemihl examines the hidden assumptions behind the way scientists interpret homosexual behavior in animals. Assumptions that tend to explain animal homosexuality out of existence are carefully analyzed as are the double standards often used in characterizing behaviors as sexual when they involve members of the other but not the same sex. This section concludes with the chapter "A New Paradigm: Biological Exuberance." Bagemihl writes, "The essence of Biological Exuberance is that natural systems are driven as much by abundance and excess as they are by limitation and practicality." This . . . [Full Text of this Article]
Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome
Arch Fam Med, Dec 1993; 2: 1222 - 1223.
*...ARTICLE Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome G. E. Feldman Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency...Health Knowledge, Attitudes, Practice | Homosexuality | Humans | Male | Risk-Taking...
Clearly there is even differences of opinion in the medical research field.
Another thing that causes the transmission of diseases is the sharing of needles. Is it the homosexuality or is it the needle sharing?
Now we know there is even a genetic basis for this difference. This is one of many articles.
People discover rather than choose their sexual interests. The process of discovery typically begins before the onset of puberty and is associated with an increase in the secretion of sex hormones from the adrenal glands. However, the determinants of the direction of sexual interest, in the sense of preferences for the same or opposite sex, are earlier. These preferences, although not manifest until much later in development, appear to be caused by the neural organizational effects of intrauterine hormonal events. Variations in these hormonal events likely have several causes and two of these appear to have been identified for males. One cause is genetic and the other involves the sensitization of the maternal immune system to some aspect of the male fetus. It is presently unclear how these two causes relate to each other. The most important question for future research is whether preferences for particular-aged partners and parts of the male courtship sequence share causes similar to those of erotic gender orientation.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Any sexual contact with anyone can lead to diseases. This has been known for years. Heterosexual contact can also pass on HIV and others just as homosexual content can do the same thing.
You quote that 5% of the population is homosexual. This is actually a difficult figure to establish because most homosexual people are still in the closet. According to other statistics it is closer to 10%.
These folks hide because they're subjected to all kinds of abuse from the rest of society. To say it is not natural is absurd. All living animals practice homosexual acts and it is at the level of 10%. It may not be the norm but it most certainly is not unnatural.
As I said before all sexual contact can spread diseases if they are present. The same holds true for most diseases. Human to human contact can lead to the flu, colds, TB. small pox, ebola, multiple forms of staph infections etc. The best way to avoid diseases is to avoid people. So if you want to present a balanced argument you had better enclose those as well.
As far as it being sinful goes that is nonsense.
From the JAMA
"there is no population-based evidence that sexual orientation and suicidality are linked in some direct . . . [Full Text of this Article]
All too often, prior studies marshaled to examine the mental illness or health of homosexual people used samples seemingly selected to prove the point the researchers hoped to make.4 Gay men undergoing therapy seemed dysfunctional, while volunteers from homophile organizations seemed well.
A good thing about science is that, given enough time, it will eventually correct itself. Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl illustrates that self-correcting process by dispelling two prevalent myths: that reproduction is the sole reason for sexual behavior and that homosexuality is hard to find in the animal kingdom.
The book contains two sections. In the first, "A Polysexual, Polygendered World," Bagemihl examines the hidden assumptions behind the way scientists interpret homosexual behavior in animals. Assumptions that tend to explain animal homosexuality out of existence are carefully analyzed as are the double standards often used in characterizing behaviors as sexual when they involve members of the other but not the same sex. This section concludes with the chapter "A New Paradigm: Biological Exuberance." Bagemihl writes, "The essence of Biological Exuberance is that natural systems are driven as much by abundance and excess as they are by limitation and practicality." This . . . [Full Text of this Article]
Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome
Arch Fam Med, Dec 1993; 2: 1222 - 1223.
*...ARTICLE Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome G. E. Feldman Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency...Health Knowledge, Attitudes, Practice | Homosexuality | Humans | Male | Risk-Taking...
Clearly there is even differences of opinion in the medical research field.
Another thing that causes the transmission of diseases is the sharing of needles. Is it the homosexuality or is it the needle sharing?
Now we know there is even a genetic basis for this difference. This is one of many articles.
People discover rather than choose their sexual interests. The process of discovery typically begins before the onset of puberty and is associated with an increase in the secretion of sex hormones from the adrenal glands. However, the determinants of the direction of sexual interest, in the sense of preferences for the same or opposite sex, are earlier. These preferences, although not manifest until much later in development, appear to be caused by the neural organizational effects of intrauterine hormonal events. Variations in these hormonal events likely have several causes and two of these appear to have been identified for males. One cause is genetic and the other involves the sensitization of the maternal immune system to some aspect of the male fetus. It is presently unclear how these two causes relate to each other. The most important question for future research is whether preferences for particular-aged partners and parts of the male courtship sequence share causes similar to those of erotic gender orientation.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Ted;681706 wrote: Clint:-6
Any sexual contact with anyone can lead to diseases. This has been known for years. Heterosexual contact can also pass on HIV and others just as homosexual content can do the same thing.
You quote that 5% of the population is homosexual. This is actually a difficult figure to establish because most homosexual people are still in the closet. According to other statistics it is closer to 10%.
These folks hide because they're subjected to all kinds of abuse from the rest of society. To say it is not natural is absurd. All living animals practice homosexual acts and it is at the level of 10%. It may not be the norm but it most certainly is not unnatural.
As I said before all sexual contact can spread diseases if they are present. The same holds true for most diseases. Human to human contact can lead to the flu, colds, TB. small pox, ebola, multiple forms of staph infections etc. The best way to avoid diseases is to avoid people. So if you want to present a balanced argument you had better enclose those as well.
As far as it being sinful goes that is nonsense.
Shalom
Ted:-6
ted although we have no common ground in this subject ,your fantastic posts are worth my fg money on there own thanks :-6
Any sexual contact with anyone can lead to diseases. This has been known for years. Heterosexual contact can also pass on HIV and others just as homosexual content can do the same thing.
You quote that 5% of the population is homosexual. This is actually a difficult figure to establish because most homosexual people are still in the closet. According to other statistics it is closer to 10%.
These folks hide because they're subjected to all kinds of abuse from the rest of society. To say it is not natural is absurd. All living animals practice homosexual acts and it is at the level of 10%. It may not be the norm but it most certainly is not unnatural.
As I said before all sexual contact can spread diseases if they are present. The same holds true for most diseases. Human to human contact can lead to the flu, colds, TB. small pox, ebola, multiple forms of staph infections etc. The best way to avoid diseases is to avoid people. So if you want to present a balanced argument you had better enclose those as well.
As far as it being sinful goes that is nonsense.
Shalom
Ted:-6
ted although we have no common ground in this subject ,your fantastic posts are worth my fg money on there own thanks :-6
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Jimbo:-6
Thanks.
I do my research.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thanks.
I do my research.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Ted;681706 wrote:
From the JAMA
"there is no population-based evidence that sexual orientation and suicidality are linked in some direct . . . [Full Text of this Article]
All too often, prior studies marshaled to examine the mental illness or health of homosexual people used samples seemingly selected to prove the point the researchers hoped to make.4 Gay men undergoing therapy seemed dysfunctional, while volunteers from homophile organizations seemed well.
A good thing about science is that, given enough time, it will eventually correct itself. Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl illustrates that self-correcting process by dispelling two prevalent myths: that reproduction is the sole reason for sexual behavior and that homosexuality is hard to find in the animal kingdom.
The book contains two sections. In the first, "A Polysexual, Polygendered World," Bagemihl examines the hidden assumptions behind the way scientists interpret homosexual behavior in animals. Assumptions that tend to explain animal homosexuality out of existence are carefully analyzed as are the double standards often used in characterizing behaviors as sexual when they involve members of the other but not the same sex. This section concludes with the chapter "A New Paradigm: Biological Exuberance." Bagemihl writes, "The essence of Biological Exuberance is that natural systems are driven as much by abundance and excess as they are by limitation and practicality." This . . . [Full Text of this Article]
Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome
Arch Fam Med, Dec 1993; 2: 1222 - 1223.
*...ARTICLE Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome G. E. Feldman Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency...Health Knowledge, Attitudes, Practice | Homosexuality | Humans | Male | Risk-Taking...
Clearly there is even differences of opinion in the medical research field.
Another thing that causes the transmission of diseases is the sharing of needles. Is it the homosexuality or is it the needle sharing?
Now we know there is even a genetic basis for this difference. This is one of many articles.
People discover rather than choose their sexual interests. The process of discovery typically begins before the onset of puberty and is associated with an increase in the secretion of sex hormones from the adrenal glands. However, the determinants of the direction of sexual interest, in the sense of preferences for the same or opposite sex, are earlier. These preferences, although not manifest until much later in development, appear to be caused by the neural organizational effects of intrauterine hormonal events. Variations in these hormonal events likely have several causes and two of these appear to have been identified for males. One cause is genetic and the other involves the sensitization of the maternal immune system to some aspect of the male fetus. It is presently unclear how these two causes relate to each other. The most important question for future research is whether preferences for particular-aged partners and parts of the male courtship sequence share causes similar to those of erotic gender orientation.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Where did the evidence say homosexuality CAUSES acquired immunodeficiency syndrome? Homosexual acts are more likely to TRANSMIT it than other sexual activity.
From the JAMA
"there is no population-based evidence that sexual orientation and suicidality are linked in some direct . . . [Full Text of this Article]
All too often, prior studies marshaled to examine the mental illness or health of homosexual people used samples seemingly selected to prove the point the researchers hoped to make.4 Gay men undergoing therapy seemed dysfunctional, while volunteers from homophile organizations seemed well.
A good thing about science is that, given enough time, it will eventually correct itself. Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl illustrates that self-correcting process by dispelling two prevalent myths: that reproduction is the sole reason for sexual behavior and that homosexuality is hard to find in the animal kingdom.
The book contains two sections. In the first, "A Polysexual, Polygendered World," Bagemihl examines the hidden assumptions behind the way scientists interpret homosexual behavior in animals. Assumptions that tend to explain animal homosexuality out of existence are carefully analyzed as are the double standards often used in characterizing behaviors as sexual when they involve members of the other but not the same sex. This section concludes with the chapter "A New Paradigm: Biological Exuberance." Bagemihl writes, "The essence of Biological Exuberance is that natural systems are driven as much by abundance and excess as they are by limitation and practicality." This . . . [Full Text of this Article]
Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome
Arch Fam Med, Dec 1993; 2: 1222 - 1223.
*...ARTICLE Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome G. E. Feldman Homosexuality does not cause acquired immunodeficiency...Health Knowledge, Attitudes, Practice | Homosexuality | Humans | Male | Risk-Taking...
Clearly there is even differences of opinion in the medical research field.
Another thing that causes the transmission of diseases is the sharing of needles. Is it the homosexuality or is it the needle sharing?
Now we know there is even a genetic basis for this difference. This is one of many articles.
People discover rather than choose their sexual interests. The process of discovery typically begins before the onset of puberty and is associated with an increase in the secretion of sex hormones from the adrenal glands. However, the determinants of the direction of sexual interest, in the sense of preferences for the same or opposite sex, are earlier. These preferences, although not manifest until much later in development, appear to be caused by the neural organizational effects of intrauterine hormonal events. Variations in these hormonal events likely have several causes and two of these appear to have been identified for males. One cause is genetic and the other involves the sensitization of the maternal immune system to some aspect of the male fetus. It is presently unclear how these two causes relate to each other. The most important question for future research is whether preferences for particular-aged partners and parts of the male courtship sequence share causes similar to those of erotic gender orientation.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Where did the evidence say homosexuality CAUSES acquired immunodeficiency syndrome? Homosexual acts are more likely to TRANSMIT it than other sexual activity.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Clint:-6
The implication I get from the quote is that one does not necessarily get AIDs from homosexual activity. Like I said human contact can and does pass on all kinds of diseases.
One of the things I learned while studying the evaluation of research projects is that one can arrange to get whatever finding they wish. Someone who is anti-homosexual can get what he is looking for and vice versa. It takes far more than just reading one or two papers. Like I've already said concerning the figure of 5%, the likelihood of getting an accurate figure is highly questionable since many folks who are homosexual are still not publicly declaring so.
Shalom
Ted:-6
The implication I get from the quote is that one does not necessarily get AIDs from homosexual activity. Like I said human contact can and does pass on all kinds of diseases.
One of the things I learned while studying the evaluation of research projects is that one can arrange to get whatever finding they wish. Someone who is anti-homosexual can get what he is looking for and vice versa. It takes far more than just reading one or two papers. Like I've already said concerning the figure of 5%, the likelihood of getting an accurate figure is highly questionable since many folks who are homosexual are still not publicly declaring so.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Ted;681762 wrote: Clint:-6
The implication I get from the quote is that one does not necessarily get AIDs from homosexual activity. Like I said human contact can and does pass on all kinds of diseases.
Shalom
Ted:-6
"Implication"...I thought you did your homework.
The implication I get from the quote is that one does not necessarily get AIDs from homosexual activity. Like I said human contact can and does pass on all kinds of diseases.
Shalom
Ted:-6
"Implication"...I thought you did your homework.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Clint:-6
I did it as far as I cared to. I do not have access to the research papers any more than you do. They are often hundreds if not thousands of pages long.
I showed you that there are differing opinions concerning this whole topic. Three doctors can look at the same data and come up with three different diagnoses. That is one of the reasons it is called the "art" of medicine.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I did it as far as I cared to. I do not have access to the research papers any more than you do. They are often hundreds if not thousands of pages long.
I showed you that there are differing opinions concerning this whole topic. Three doctors can look at the same data and come up with three different diagnoses. That is one of the reasons it is called the "art" of medicine.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Ted;681767 wrote: Clint:-6
I did it as far as I cared to. I do not have access to the research papers any more than you do. They are often hundreds if not thousands of pages long.
I showed you that there are differing opinions concerning this whole topic. Three doctors can look at the same data and come up with three different diagnoses. That is one of the reasons it is called the "art" of medicine.
Shalom
Ted:-6
The evidence presented by several reputable agencies and organizations that I posted is not anecdotal nor is it conjecture.
Have it your way, Ted. You win.
I did it as far as I cared to. I do not have access to the research papers any more than you do. They are often hundreds if not thousands of pages long.
I showed you that there are differing opinions concerning this whole topic. Three doctors can look at the same data and come up with three different diagnoses. That is one of the reasons it is called the "art" of medicine.
Shalom
Ted:-6
The evidence presented by several reputable agencies and organizations that I posted is not anecdotal nor is it conjecture.
Have it your way, Ted. You win.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
Whats wrong with Christianity...
I wouldn't say that it's Christianity that's wrong....no. It's certain people who will call themselves Christians and then run around lying, hurting people and pointing fingers at those people who are "sinners" while they themselves are doing the same. No, it's the phonies who give Christianity the bad name. I am almost embarrassed to say that I am a Catholic because Catholocism is a Christian religion. And the idiotic bible pounders who preach the faith under Christianity can throw at us Catholics this idea that there are all pedophiles in the Catholic church, while I am quite sure (from what I've experienced in other churches) that there are worse in the Baptist or "christian" churches.
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Clint:-6
It is not a matter of winning or losing. I have also read reports that are not anecdotal and are from reputable scientists. I am simply trying to show that as in most things there are bona fide theories on both sides of the coin. Nothing more and nothing less.
You think such behaviour is harmful but not everyone agrees with you.
BTW I have not read the research papers. They will be loaded with things that I doubt either of us could understand, ie the statistical analysis. I had to learn some fairly complicated formulas in psychology as well as their computations.
Shalom
Ted.
It is not a matter of winning or losing. I have also read reports that are not anecdotal and are from reputable scientists. I am simply trying to show that as in most things there are bona fide theories on both sides of the coin. Nothing more and nothing less.
You think such behaviour is harmful but not everyone agrees with you.
BTW I have not read the research papers. They will be loaded with things that I doubt either of us could understand, ie the statistical analysis. I had to learn some fairly complicated formulas in psychology as well as their computations.
Shalom
Ted.
Whats wrong with Christianity...
cinamin:-6
Such folks exist in all of the great faiths around the world and within Christianity among all the denominations.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Such folks exist in all of the great faiths around the world and within Christianity among all the denominations.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Ted;681795 wrote: Clint:-6
It is not a matter of winning or losing. I have also read reports that are not anecdotal and are from reputable scientists. I am simply trying to show that as in most things there are bona fide theories on both sides of the coin. Nothing more and nothing less.
You think such behaviour is harmful but not everyone agrees with you.
BTW I have not read the research papers. They will be loaded with things that I doubt either of us could understand, ie the statistical analysis. I had to learn some fairly complicated formulas in psychology as well as their computations.
Shalom
Ted.
You are right, it isn't about winning, I just thought that's what you wanted. I should have said, "the last post is yours". Sorry.
It is not a matter of winning or losing. I have also read reports that are not anecdotal and are from reputable scientists. I am simply trying to show that as in most things there are bona fide theories on both sides of the coin. Nothing more and nothing less.
You think such behaviour is harmful but not everyone agrees with you.
BTW I have not read the research papers. They will be loaded with things that I doubt either of us could understand, ie the statistical analysis. I had to learn some fairly complicated formulas in psychology as well as their computations.
Shalom
Ted.
You are right, it isn't about winning, I just thought that's what you wanted. I should have said, "the last post is yours". Sorry.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
Whats wrong with Christianity...
Clint:-6
No problem. It would be so nice for such issues to have simple solutions.
Shalom
Ted:-6
No problem. It would be so nice for such issues to have simple solutions.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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How did Christianity and AIDS get tied together? All religions have an AIDS population...........some countries have rampant AIDS populations. Scourges on mankind have nothing to with religion................it's all those dang bugs that have adaptation skills beyond the human immune system.
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nvalleyvee;681881 wrote: How did Christianity and AIDS get tied together? All religions have an AIDS population...........some countries have rampant AIDS populations. Scourges on mankind have nothing to with religion................it's all those dang bugs that have adaptation skills beyond the human immune system.
I have to say it really bothers me that it does. Someone posts a question like Skittles did and someone invariably jumps in with a comment on homosexuality. I’ve watched it over and over. Another frequent poster here has to pick up the gauntlet and away it goes.
I have tried to stay away from the discussion since it got ugly when I was a part of it about three years ago. I felt I had to make the point this time that it isn’t a matter of faith. It isn’t what’s right or wrong with Christianity. It is a matter of health and wellbeing.
The God I believe in doesn’t want to see his children suffer. He points us in directions He knows will help us avoid poor health and difficult lives. I don’t believe it is supposed to be communicated the way Christianity today so often does it. It isn’t something we are supposed to point our finger at and judge over however, if I see someone start to step in of a speeding car, I’ll probably say something. To say, “the Bible says doesn’t help people who have, because of that kind of finger pointing, learned to be leery of it and those who incessantly quote it to point out how someone else has “sinned.
To my way of thinking, God speaks to us through all of His creation. His creation speaks volumes more to us than the Bible. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect the Bible and trust its lessons. It only means I see it as a peace of “God’s word.
I’m not happy with myself for being drawn into this discussion the way I did. Christianity should be so attractive to people because of the way Christians live, no one would question being apart of it or at least respecting it. Sadly it is made up of people like me who can’t figure out how to express themselves without seeming to be uncaring or legalistic.
I have to say it really bothers me that it does. Someone posts a question like Skittles did and someone invariably jumps in with a comment on homosexuality. I’ve watched it over and over. Another frequent poster here has to pick up the gauntlet and away it goes.
I have tried to stay away from the discussion since it got ugly when I was a part of it about three years ago. I felt I had to make the point this time that it isn’t a matter of faith. It isn’t what’s right or wrong with Christianity. It is a matter of health and wellbeing.
The God I believe in doesn’t want to see his children suffer. He points us in directions He knows will help us avoid poor health and difficult lives. I don’t believe it is supposed to be communicated the way Christianity today so often does it. It isn’t something we are supposed to point our finger at and judge over however, if I see someone start to step in of a speeding car, I’ll probably say something. To say, “the Bible says doesn’t help people who have, because of that kind of finger pointing, learned to be leery of it and those who incessantly quote it to point out how someone else has “sinned.
To my way of thinking, God speaks to us through all of His creation. His creation speaks volumes more to us than the Bible. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect the Bible and trust its lessons. It only means I see it as a peace of “God’s word.
I’m not happy with myself for being drawn into this discussion the way I did. Christianity should be so attractive to people because of the way Christians live, no one would question being apart of it or at least respecting it. Sadly it is made up of people like me who can’t figure out how to express themselves without seeming to be uncaring or legalistic.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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Clint:-6
Third and fourth paragraphs above. Well put.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Third and fourth paragraphs above. Well put.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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FarRider:-6
You are quite entitled to your opinion that I am wrong. However, if you look at the quotes I've offered, in post #5, from the Journal of the American Medical Association you will find that the professionals disagree with you. There is a genetic factor, it is not a choice etc.
Homophobia is indeed alive and well in society.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You are quite entitled to your opinion that I am wrong. However, if you look at the quotes I've offered, in post #5, from the Journal of the American Medical Association you will find that the professionals disagree with you. There is a genetic factor, it is not a choice etc.
Homophobia is indeed alive and well in society.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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FarRider:-6
It is interesting that you would say the professionals are wrong. Some of those folks are in fact geneticists. It is interesting that you should declare the professionals wrong. What level of education do you have to make such a judgment.
As far as calling it a sin goes there is only one sin in homosexuality and that is the abuse that so called Christians put them through.
You think I am wrong. So be it. I too think that you are wrong. I guess I'm entitled to my opinion as well.
Shalom
Ted:-6
It is interesting that you would say the professionals are wrong. Some of those folks are in fact geneticists. It is interesting that you should declare the professionals wrong. What level of education do you have to make such a judgment.
As far as calling it a sin goes there is only one sin in homosexuality and that is the abuse that so called Christians put them through.
You think I am wrong. So be it. I too think that you are wrong. I guess I'm entitled to my opinion as well.
Shalom
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I'm amazed that folks can carp on the sin of homosexuality and yet ignore the impoverished in their own countries and in the third world countries. Such a position is itself a real sin and ought to be addressed.
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The following is a good balanced report on homosexuality and the complexity of the whole issue. It lists the many factors that appear to be the source of this sexual orientation. It clearly shows that no one factor is responsible alone but that there are many factors that are involved.
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3359.htm
eMedicine - Homosexuality : Article by Patricia H Bazemore, MD
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http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3359.htm
eMedicine - Homosexuality : Article by Patricia H Bazemore, MD
Shalom
Ted:-6
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FarRider:-6
Common sense used to tell people that illness was caused by demon possession. Common sense used to tell people that epilepsy was caused by demon possession.
More recently common sense told us that aspirin was good for everyone but now we understand that it can cause brain damage in youth under certain conditions.
Common sense told folks they could rape the earth with impunity; that we could continue to pollute without restraint; that nuclear power is clean, until we have to dispose of it. The nuclear problem is one that has not yet been solved by common sense.
Common sense told people they could hunt and fish without restraint and now species are going extinct on a daily basis.
Yep, common sense.
Common sense got the US involved in Viet Nam. Now Iraq!
Now to answer your question. I don't believe for one moment that God is concerned about the sexual activities that go on between consenting adults. God has much greater things to worry about like the impoverishment of a good part of the world's population especially when a few take home obscene salaries.
Jesus was not the least bit concerned about homosexuality as he said absolutely nothing whatsoever about it.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Common sense used to tell people that illness was caused by demon possession. Common sense used to tell people that epilepsy was caused by demon possession.
More recently common sense told us that aspirin was good for everyone but now we understand that it can cause brain damage in youth under certain conditions.
Common sense told folks they could rape the earth with impunity; that we could continue to pollute without restraint; that nuclear power is clean, until we have to dispose of it. The nuclear problem is one that has not yet been solved by common sense.
Common sense told people they could hunt and fish without restraint and now species are going extinct on a daily basis.
Yep, common sense.
Common sense got the US involved in Viet Nam. Now Iraq!
Now to answer your question. I don't believe for one moment that God is concerned about the sexual activities that go on between consenting adults. God has much greater things to worry about like the impoverishment of a good part of the world's population especially when a few take home obscene salaries.
Jesus was not the least bit concerned about homosexuality as he said absolutely nothing whatsoever about it.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;685766 wrote: FarRider:-6
Common sense used to tell people that illness was caused by demon possession. Common sense used to tell people that epilepsy was caused by demon possession.
More recently common sense told us that aspirin was good for everyone but now we understand that it can cause brain damage in youth under certain conditions.
Now to answer your question. I don't believe for one moment that God is concerned about the sexual activities that go on between consenting adults. God has much greater things to worry about like the impoverishment of a good part of the world's population especially when a few take home obscene salaries.
Jesus was not the least bit concerned about homosexuality as he said absolutely nothing whatsoever about it.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Jesus didn’t say anything about methamphetamines or driving while intoxicated. Does that mean he approves?
Common sense used to tell people that illness was caused by demon possession. Common sense used to tell people that epilepsy was caused by demon possession.
More recently common sense told us that aspirin was good for everyone but now we understand that it can cause brain damage in youth under certain conditions.
Now to answer your question. I don't believe for one moment that God is concerned about the sexual activities that go on between consenting adults. God has much greater things to worry about like the impoverishment of a good part of the world's population especially when a few take home obscene salaries.
Jesus was not the least bit concerned about homosexuality as he said absolutely nothing whatsoever about it.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Jesus didn’t say anything about methamphetamines or driving while intoxicated. Does that mean he approves?
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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The problem with Christianity is the same problem with all Organized Religions - they ask me to buy that I am supposed to join a man-made Club in order to have the "right" relationship with God. Worse, they expect me to pick from the basket of choices and hope I pick the right one "or else." Another problem is that their systems suck. An archaic, text-based system is not only not going to reach everyone or convince them to believe something other than what they were raised in (since most people are basically born into their religion), but it is so complicated (allegory, literal, translation?) and confusing that the experts can't even agree on it. In addition, they are inherently too anti-freedom (which is why it took things like the unprecedented Leashing of Organized Religion to deliver "American freedom") and serve too easily as fuel for conflict. There is just no way God would spit out such a mess so I ain't buying it. While clubs and systems fit well with the human way of sorting and doing things, I am not willing to throw out the reasoning and logic "God" obviously granted me and expects me to use when detecting what is obviously man-man and man-inspired.
I really can't think of a worse way to "spread the word and love of God" or a better way to make sure conflict stays in the world, than to create archaic text-based systems about the afterlife for people to try and figure out and fight over. Maybe if I got REALLY stoned I could come up with a way but you know what I mean.
I really can't think of a worse way to "spread the word and love of God" or a better way to make sure conflict stays in the world, than to create archaic text-based systems about the afterlife for people to try and figure out and fight over. Maybe if I got REALLY stoned I could come up with a way but you know what I mean.
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Far Rider;685776 wrote: 24 I'd say you hit it, but true Christinaity is not an orginized religion, religion is the manmade part, God never designed it as it appears today in its most prevalent form.
I think we both probably agree then that if there is a God, getting involved in this confusing pick a mess deal is not needed, as if we have to win some particular game.
It's real simple. I don't believe these absurd games would be needed.
I think we both probably agree then that if there is a God, getting involved in this confusing pick a mess deal is not needed, as if we have to win some particular game.
It's real simple. I don't believe these absurd games would be needed.
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quick point about sin: since it seems to be little understood in the world at large. Sin is not something that hurts others, sin is not something that God is worried about. What sin is, are those things that can draw you away from God and keep you from attaining Grace. As such, sin covers a LOT of territory, and certainly sexually based lifestyles are among these.
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Seriously people, can we stop attacking Christianity like its the only crooked thing out there?? I am a Christian myself, and while I recognize that I am a sinner and I will mess up, I still feel very fortunate to know that God is my Savior and I will go to Heaven on judgment day.
Homosexuality is a sin. Period. Says so in the Bible.
God is love. Says so in the Bible.
God hates sin. Says so in the Bible
So, how can God, who hates sin, love someone who lives in sin?
God does not love those who live by the ways of the world, but those who strive to be more like him.
Now, if you want to talk about dirrty religions, lay off Christianity and talk about something else, like Catholicism.
Homosexuality is a sin. Period. Says so in the Bible.
God is love. Says so in the Bible.
God hates sin. Says so in the Bible
So, how can God, who hates sin, love someone who lives in sin?
God does not love those who live by the ways of the world, but those who strive to be more like him.
Now, if you want to talk about dirrty religions, lay off Christianity and talk about something else, like Catholicism.
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Sweet Tooth;686131 wrote: Seriously people, can we stop attacking Christianity like its the only crooked thing out there?? I am a Christian myself, and while I recognize that I am a sinner and I will mess up, I still feel very fortunate to know that God is my Savior and I will go to Heaven on judgment day.
Homosexuality is a sin. Period. Says so in the Bible.
God is love. Says so in the Bible.
God hates sin. Says so in the Bible
So, how can God, who hates sin, love someone who lives in sin?
God does not love those who live by the ways of the world, but those who strive to be more like him.
Now, if you want to talk about dirrty religions, lay off Christianity and talk about something else, like Catholicism.
Since we all live in sin (says so in the bible) how can god love any of us then? God's forgiveness is granted only to sinners who ask it of Him, and self-righteousness is a sin every bit as damning as homosexuality (says so in the bible) Which is why Jesus spent so much time talking about it.
Homosexuality is a sin. Period. Says so in the Bible.
God is love. Says so in the Bible.
God hates sin. Says so in the Bible
So, how can God, who hates sin, love someone who lives in sin?
God does not love those who live by the ways of the world, but those who strive to be more like him.
Now, if you want to talk about dirrty religions, lay off Christianity and talk about something else, like Catholicism.
Since we all live in sin (says so in the bible) how can god love any of us then? God's forgiveness is granted only to sinners who ask it of Him, and self-righteousness is a sin every bit as damning as homosexuality (says so in the bible) Which is why Jesus spent so much time talking about it.
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ShawnG;686154 wrote: Since we all live in sin (says so in the bible) how can god love any of us then? God's forgiveness is granted only to sinners who ask it of Him, and self-righteousness is a sin every bit as damning as homosexuality (says so in the bible) Which is why Jesus spent so much time talking about it.
No, we don't all "live in sin"! Living in sin is like, being an Atheist, denying there is a God, being homosexual, living a lifestyle displeasing to God. We do not all live in sin. We all sin though!
No, we don't all "live in sin"! Living in sin is like, being an Atheist, denying there is a God, being homosexual, living a lifestyle displeasing to God. We do not all live in sin. We all sin though!
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Sweet Tooth;686362 wrote: No, we don't all "live in sin"! Living in sin is like, being an Atheist, denying there is a God, being homosexual, living a lifestyle displeasing to God. We do not all live in sin. We all sin though!
Sorry, my friend, sin is far more pervasive than that small list you have there. it is very nearly impossible to live in a world of sin and not "live in sin" yourself. my definition of sin is simplistic and concise, Far Rider's above, while I have some disagreements with some points is far more elegantly laid out, and you may want to refer to his post above. Look at the things that you do in your daily life, and think about how that relates to sin, it's there, and constantly.
Sorry, my friend, sin is far more pervasive than that small list you have there. it is very nearly impossible to live in a world of sin and not "live in sin" yourself. my definition of sin is simplistic and concise, Far Rider's above, while I have some disagreements with some points is far more elegantly laid out, and you may want to refer to his post above. Look at the things that you do in your daily life, and think about how that relates to sin, it's there, and constantly.
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Far Rider;686469 wrote: Sin, boy say something is sin and folks come out of the woodwork and disagree, mostly because for them, the sin named might not be a problem for them personally.
I remember way back here on FG I posted or attempted to post my thoughts on Alcohol, and I named it a sin... you'd have thought I started world war 3!
You could say wrongdoing, offense, failing, crime, indulgence or transgression and it wouldn't get the same results as "sin" because "sin" is a word people associate with the Bible. It also makes people think of judgement that can't be escaped. Sin isn't seen as something you can do and never get caught so it scares people. The only hope people have other than accepting God's grace is to somehow reduce 'sin' to insignificance.
I sin but I'm not a sinner just like I've driven a snowmobile but I'm not a snowmobiler or I've flown a plane but I'm not a pilot.
I remember way back here on FG I posted or attempted to post my thoughts on Alcohol, and I named it a sin... you'd have thought I started world war 3!
You could say wrongdoing, offense, failing, crime, indulgence or transgression and it wouldn't get the same results as "sin" because "sin" is a word people associate with the Bible. It also makes people think of judgement that can't be escaped. Sin isn't seen as something you can do and never get caught so it scares people. The only hope people have other than accepting God's grace is to somehow reduce 'sin' to insignificance.
I sin but I'm not a sinner just like I've driven a snowmobile but I'm not a snowmobiler or I've flown a plane but I'm not a pilot.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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Where to start?
Clint:-6
Of course Jesus said nothing about those kinds of drugs. They did not exist then nor were they known. Cars had not been invented either.
Shalom
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Of course Jesus said nothing about those kinds of drugs. They did not exist then nor were they known. Cars had not been invented either.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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24hours:-6
You are displaying a complete lack of understanding of our present day thinking about both God and the nature of the Bible.
The religion you speak of is the invention of the reformation and I mean invention. It was created by the reformers. It does not come from the early church or the very beginning of the church.
Shalom
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You are displaying a complete lack of understanding of our present day thinking about both God and the nature of the Bible.
The religion you speak of is the invention of the reformation and I mean invention. It was created by the reformers. It does not come from the early church or the very beginning of the church.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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FarRider:-6
Obscene salaries present the problem of lack of compassion when there are so many starving and impoverished people around the world and even within our own countries. That is a sin.
As far as my response on homosexual behaviour goes, you can interpret it as you wish. I stand by what I've said. The only sin in homosexuality is the abuse these people are subject to. I'm not really sure who appointed you to be the judge.
The Bible is not and never has been the absolute and inerrant word of God. The Bible becomes the word of God for Christians by virtue of the fact that God speaks to us through the very human words of the Bible as happens with the Vedas, the Qur'an and the ancient Buddhist writings. Inerrancy, while there had been a bit of it before the reformation, is the invention of the reformation.
As far as your concept of God goes it is an immature leftover from when you were a child. I do not know the God you describe and I do not care to know him. You seem to think that you know about God when the Divine is beyond human language and human concepts. Interesting.
Sin is that which separates us from the love of God, nothing more nothing less. I do not for one moment think that God is concerned about homosexuality. But the divine is concerned when we demonstrate a lack of justice (distributive) and compassion. There is an extreme amount of the lack today right around the world.
We were clearly told to love our neighbours as ourselves as He loved us. We are called to love all folks regardless of race, colour, creed, sexual orientation etc. We are to love them with the love that Christ showed us. As the Bible says "They will know we are Christians by our love" also the title of a hymn.
If anyone here wants to talk about sin they should speak of their own and leave other folks to deal with theirs. That will be between them and God.
One great church father once said "Evangelize, yes but with words only if necessary. If they can't see that we have something to offer by our actions and behaviour and our love than we as individuals have absolutely nothing to say.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Obscene salaries present the problem of lack of compassion when there are so many starving and impoverished people around the world and even within our own countries. That is a sin.
As far as my response on homosexual behaviour goes, you can interpret it as you wish. I stand by what I've said. The only sin in homosexuality is the abuse these people are subject to. I'm not really sure who appointed you to be the judge.
The Bible is not and never has been the absolute and inerrant word of God. The Bible becomes the word of God for Christians by virtue of the fact that God speaks to us through the very human words of the Bible as happens with the Vedas, the Qur'an and the ancient Buddhist writings. Inerrancy, while there had been a bit of it before the reformation, is the invention of the reformation.
As far as your concept of God goes it is an immature leftover from when you were a child. I do not know the God you describe and I do not care to know him. You seem to think that you know about God when the Divine is beyond human language and human concepts. Interesting.
Sin is that which separates us from the love of God, nothing more nothing less. I do not for one moment think that God is concerned about homosexuality. But the divine is concerned when we demonstrate a lack of justice (distributive) and compassion. There is an extreme amount of the lack today right around the world.
We were clearly told to love our neighbours as ourselves as He loved us. We are called to love all folks regardless of race, colour, creed, sexual orientation etc. We are to love them with the love that Christ showed us. As the Bible says "They will know we are Christians by our love" also the title of a hymn.
If anyone here wants to talk about sin they should speak of their own and leave other folks to deal with theirs. That will be between them and God.
One great church father once said "Evangelize, yes but with words only if necessary. If they can't see that we have something to offer by our actions and behaviour and our love than we as individuals have absolutely nothing to say.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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ShawnG.:-6
Good point well made.
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Ted:-6
Good point well made.
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As far as making negative comments about the Roman Catholic Church is concerned who gave anyone permission to judge others. Must be nice to think oneself is the Messiah.
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