Marijuana...

Gypsy · Post by **Gypsy** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:21 am

I smoke everyday, I want it legalized so I can smoke it all day , anywhere I please be nice to walk into a bar and light up a doobie.

Watched an old movie yesterday called Easy Rider, here is a good song

Don't bogart that joint my freind

Pass it over to me

Don't bogart that joint my freind

Roll another one, just like the other one

I love it!:wah:

Gypsy · Post by **Gypsy** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:23 am

Joe;675336 wrote: Just realised an error in my post above. Where I put moderation (highlighted in bold in this quote) I meant to say free useage. Hope that makes better sense now!

hello, hey Joe, you wanna give it a go? Passing my joint to Joe.

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:23 am

From Pulp Fiction...

Jules: So, tell me again about the hashbars?

Vincent: Okay, what you wanna know?

Jules: Hash is legal there right?

Vincent: Yeah, it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal. I mean, you can't walk into a restaurant, roll a joint and start puffin' away. You're only supposed to smoke in your home or certain designated places.

Jules: And those are hashbars?

Vincent: It breaks down like this: it's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and, if you're the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. It's legal to carry it, but that doesn't really matter 'cause - get a load of this - if you get stopped by the cops in amsterdam, it's illegal for them to search you. I mean, that's a right the cops in amsterdam don't have.

Is that how it is in the Netherlands? I don't smoke, anything (I just don't have the lungs for it), but yeah I could handle that.

I admit I'd be a lot cooler with this if we had a better public transit system in Southern California. The last thing we need is more chemically altered people on the road, but all in all, I'm for legalization.

Mitch · Post by **Mitch** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:49 am

Gypsy;675465 wrote: hello, hey Joe, you wanna give it a go? Passing my joint to Joe.

He didnt reply to my post so i guess he's already Moderately stoned :wah:

Gypsy · Post by **Gypsy** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:52 am

Okay, now I will pass it to Mitch...................:p

Mitch · Post by **Mitch** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:40 am

OK I will pass it too Red Glitter

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:08 pm

Why thank you....:-3....dang i gotta pass it too huh? Back to Mitch because i don't remember who was next.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:51 pm

RedGlitter;677939 wrote: Why thank you....:-3....dang i gotta pass it too huh? Back to Mitch because i don't remember who was next.

another side effect memory loss :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:58 pm

jimbo;677956 wrote: another side effect memory loss :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

BAH!!! I knew that was coming!! :wah: :wah:

No that was the acid stamps. Just kidding!!!!

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:00 pm

RedGlitter;677962 wrote: BAH!!! I knew that was coming!! :wah: :wah:

No that was the acid stamps. Just kidding!!!!

dam i am getting predictable :wah:

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:15 pm

jimbo;677963 wrote: dam i am getting predictable :wah:

Hee hee!! Either that or I'm tuned into your wave!

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:25 pm

RedGlitter;677976 wrote: Hee hee!! Either that or I'm tuned into your wave!

if you have dont listen to the voices

especially the ones that that tell you that you must joke every single minute of the day

Mia · Post by **Mia** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:26 pm

In England Marijuana has been reduced to a class c drug,this is the lowest form of drug abuse. Nowadays it is difficult to buy pure Marijuana as they have a different version that is called skunk,and it is very dangerous to the mind.

I have a son with biopar,and have spent a lot of time visiting him when he has been in hospital.I have seen many young men with marijuana induced mental illness,their lives are ruined.

I also have spent a lot of time in an ordinary hospital with my sick hospital.I have seen many men in their forties die from liver failure,due to alcohol abuse.

We will never get rid of the drug culture,and they will never ban alcohol.You will always have people who will abuse both.

That is a human condition,as some people just cannot function without some kind of stimulant.

I enjoy a drink myself,but I know when to stop.The trouble is a lot of people don't.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:29 pm

Mia;677982 wrote: In England Marijuana has been reduced to a class c drug,this is the lowest form of drug abuse. Nowadays it is difficult to buy pure Marijuana as they have a different version that is called skunk,and it is very dangerous to the mind.

I have a son with biopar,and have spent a lot of time visiting him when he has been in hospital.I have seen many young men with marijuana induced mental illness,their lives are ruined.

I also have spent a lot of time in an ordinary hospital with my sick hospital.I have seen many men in their forties die from liver failure,due to alcohol abuse.

We will never get rid of the drug culture,and they will never ban alcohol.You will always have people who will abuse both.

That is a human condition,as some people just cannot function without some kind of stimulant.

I enjoy a drink myself,but I know when to stop.The trouble is a lot of people don't.

good post mia :-6

my daughter is bi polar its not easy coping is it

daddy's girl one minute , star of the exorcist the next

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:34 am

Good post, AF.

Gypsy · Post by **Gypsy** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:30 am

me me me I am next then Mitch.:wah:

My American cousin taught me this one

Roll Roll

Roll a joint

Pass it down the line

take a toke and take a smoke

and blow your freaking mind!:wah:

Tater Tazz · Post by **Tater Tazz** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:35 am

I think they should make it legal. I watched one of my friends that had cancer suffer and the only thing that helped a little was this. So, her last days here she did not suffer much.

The Rob · Post by **The Rob** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:33 am

'[love wrote: light;672336']I have been smoking for many many years & have never once been tempted to do a real drug. I, personally, have never understood the "gateway" theory. It seems to me that if a person wants to do a drug, they will. If they don't, they won't. Blaming marijuana for a person being addicted to, say, cocaine is obtuse. They are two different entities all together.

In addition, can I just say this:

If a person is smoking enough marijuana to bring on severe psychological effects, there is a reason. A person is not guided by the joint, the joint is guided by the person. Studies have shown that physical addiction is a non-issue.

Do people abuse it? Yes. Do people abuse otc sleeping pills? yes. Nyquil? yes. People even abuse food, hoping to fill a already present void.

If there is ever a problem with the usage of marijuana, its the user, not the plant. Everyone makes choices & everyone should be held accountable for those choices.

Bang on. I don't begrudge others their recreational choices if they demonstrate responsibility and moderation, but I do object to the burdens placed upon society by those individuals who've allowed themselves to be swallowed by addictions. How many billboards, how many television spots, how many medical reports and testimonials must be thrust in front of their eyes before they finally realize that their surrender to these destructive habits will ruin their lives, if not kill them? The media are saturated with the perils of abuse and there are simply no excuses anymore.

On a personal note: The stuff makes me ill, I can't stand even to smell it. I used to (he said, hopefully) suffer cluster headaches, and one evening at a gathering when one began to chisel at my right temple a friend suggested a few hits from her pipe, as marijuana is a vaso-dilator and might help ease the pain. I was up for anything that might help, as cluster headaches are electric misery and I'd do nearly anything to make the agony go away. I sucked the pipe dry in four greedy inhalations and soon lost the ability to stand upright. The headache did abate, mostly because after about five minutes I couldn't find my head at all. Then came the waves of nausea. My evening had come to a close. I hate the nasty weed.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:38 am

tax it legalise it spend the tax on better police docs nurses prisons hospitals

make harder drugs dealer jail time longer

rehab aval to all who need it

jess

cinamin · Post by **cinamin** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:12 pm

I have a friend who lives in Saudi Arabia and he works there. There they will chop off your hand if you are caught stealing. And I believe you can be put to death for using drugs, certainly for selling them. I almost can agree to those kinds of punishments for drugs and drug offenders. There is practically no crime in Saudi Arabia.

[love]light · Post by **[love]light** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:48 pm

cinamin;678365 wrote: I have a friend who lives in Saudi Arabia and he works there. There they will chop off your hand if you are caught stealing. And I believe you can be put to death for using drugs, certainly for selling them. I almost can agree to those kinds of punishments for drugs and drug offenders. There is practically no crime in Saudi Arabia.

:wah::wah:

ok.

Stellar · Post by **Stellar** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:46 pm

Hey everyone,

I've been reading through this whole thread here, and I have to say, there have been a lot of good points that people have made on the matter. I wanted to comment on a few things people have said, and throw in a couple ideas I have myself. I am a biopsychology student at a university, and have been involved with some research into the effects of marijuana and have done a lot of reading on the topic.

Firstly I would like to comment on the posts where people indicated that marijuana could be physically addictive, and cause users to have a need to continue smoking. This has been disproved in many studies, and the fact is that though some people think they are addicted to marijuana, that is a mental addiction (sometimes as a result of an addictive personality), and there is no real physical reason behind it. Other instances of addiction have been because of certain additives to the marijuana in question (perhaps mentioned as "skunk" in other posts, which i gather is the name given in the UK). By subsidizing the growth and sale of marijuana by the government, the purity of the substance could be closely monitored. This would keep incidents of impure marijuana leading to adverse effects from ever happening. That leads me into my next point.

A lot of "problems" that people see with marijuana are as a result of the black market drug culture that surrounds it now because of its illegality. Some people have mentioned marijuana as a "gateway drug", and others have said that this may be because of drug dealers pushing harder drugs on people. This has often been the case, and even though a dealer might not try to force someone to try other drugs, by being in contact with people in the black market, there is ready access to those drugs which may cause some people to decide to experiment some. By legalizing the drug and having the main source of availability be through government sanctioned selling sites, people would not have to be in touch with the drug culture, and therefore would not be tempted to try other drugs.

I also wanted to comment on the posts stating that use of marijuana may lead to serious mental illness. The news articles that claim that a "single use" of marijuana may "increase the risk of schizophrenia by up to 42%" have to be taken with a large grain of salt. OK, so even IF (and that's a big if, there are no references to scientific studies) there is that much of an increased risk, the risk an individual has to become schizophrenic (or other serious mental disorders) is in the fractions of a percent in magnitude. Increase that by 42%, and guess what? You're still at a fraction of a percent, but just a little larger. The media and the government are quick to bring out and over inflate the extremely rare cases where an individual IS affected by mental illness, and if the individual had any contact with illegal drugs, they are quick to pin the fault on drug use.

As you can probably tell from the rest of this post, I am very much for the legalization of marijuana, however, I think there are several restrictions that should be put in place to help make sure the drug is used and not abused (however you can never be sure that this will happen, as is very evident by the current problems that face our culture with alcohol). Here are a couple of my ideas:

1.) The growth and sale of marijuana should be subsidized and overseen by the government, and sold in highly maintained authorized selling sites (a store owner would be required to obtain a permit to sell marijuana at his or her establishment, much like with alcohol today).

2.) There should be taxes put in place on the drug, much like with alcohol and tobacco. (The government has room to profit from these taxes as is shown in the original post, and not suffer losses through all of the money used in trying to enforce drug laws in relation to marijuana and in jail space taken up by sellers and users of marijuana).

3.) Similar laws to those currently in place for alcohol should also be set in place for marijuana. There should be an age restriction for sale of the product (18 or 21, I am sure there will be many a debate surrounding which one it should be). There should also be laws against driving while under the influence of the drug, as though it does not hinder driving quite so much as alcohol, there is enough of an impact to justify this law. There should also be laws against being under the influence while at a job, especially if that job entails using heavy machinery or dangerous tools. As for the detection of those under the influence, there are already devices on the market, some of which police officers are starting to carry with them. Having those units become a standard thing for patrol officers to carry with them would be something necessary to be done.

All of those laws would be necessary, especially at first, and I am sure that with time, relaxation of those laws might occur within reason.

4.) Those seeking to make money by reselling the drug on the black market to youth should be penalized, similar to the consequences to buying tobacco or alcohol for those underage.

With those basic restrictions in place, it would be a lot easier to justify the legalization of marijuana (especially in the minds of many politicians, and people who are against the drug in general).

This post has gotten a bit longer than I had at first anticipated, but I really wanted to get a lot of my thoughts out there so that people could respond with what they think. Thanks for sticking with it and reading through!

- Stellar

JacksDad · Post by **JacksDad** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:37 pm

Nice post.

So we're taught that marijuana is bad.

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:03 pm

cinamin;678365 wrote: I have a friend who lives in Saudi Arabia and he works there. There they will chop off your hand if you are caught stealing. And I believe you can be put to death for using drugs, certainly for selling them. I almost can agree to those kinds of punishments for drugs and drug offenders. There is practically no crime in Saudi Arabia. Not a lot of freedom either.

drumbunny1 · Post by **drumbunny1** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:45 am

I absolutley agree with you....I believe that alcohol is far worse for you...so are cigs....as far as damage goes...marijuana IS damaging but so are the other two. Permanent brain damage? Talk to someone who has been smokin pot for twenty years...versus an alcoholic of twenty years...the point is that none of it is GOOD for you....but there really is no point in spending tax dollars on incarcerating people busted with pot...when there are REAL drug dealers and child molesters and rapists out there that need to be dealt with!

[love]light · Post by **[love]light** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:16 pm

drumbunny1;679648 wrote: I absolutley agree with you....I believe that alcohol is far worse for you...so are cigs....as far as damage goes...marijuana IS damaging but so are the other two. Permanent brain damage? Talk to someone who has been smokin pot for twenty years...versus an alcoholic of twenty years...the point is that none of it is GOOD for you....but there really is no point in spending tax dollars on incarcerating people busted with pot...when there are REAL drug dealers and child molesters and rapists out there that need to be dealt with!

I think I just fell in love with you....

will you be my friiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiend??

:-4

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:26 pm

I, Rob;678284 wrote: Bang on. I don't begrudge others their recreational choices if they demonstrate responsibility and moderation, but I do object to the burdens placed upon society by those individuals who've allowed themselves to be swallowed by addictions. How many billboards, how many television spots, how many medical reports and testimonials must be thrust in front of their eyes before they finally realize that their surrender to these destructive habits will ruin their lives, if not kill them? The media are saturated with the perils of abuse and there are simply no excuses anymore.

On a personal note: The stuff makes me ill, I can't stand even to smell it. I used to (he said, hopefully) suffer cluster headaches, and one evening at a gathering when one began to chisel at my right temple a friend suggested a few hits from her pipe, as marijuana is a vaso-dilator and might help ease the pain. I was up for anything that might help, as cluster headaches are electric misery and I'd do nearly anything to make the agony go away. I sucked the pipe dry in four greedy inhalations and soon lost the ability to stand upright. The headache did abate, mostly because after about five minutes I couldn't find my head at all. Then came the waves of nausea. My evening had come to a close. I hate the nasty weed.

The same happened to me :wah: I remember taking about 3 drags next thing my friends were taking me to bed, I was moaning and groaning from feeling so dizzy and sick, closed my eyes as I couldn't keep them open, when I opened them I was in bed with 3 friends looking over me, they said that they were concerned about me, but they was eating pringles and laughing extremely loudly:-5, never really lived that 1 down

The Rob · Post by **The Rob** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:09 pm

SuzyB;680720 wrote: The same happened to me :wah: I remember taking about 3 drags next thing my friends were taking me to bed, I was moaning and groaning from feeling so dizzy and sick, closed my eyes as I couldn't keep them open, when I opened them I was in bed with 3 friends looking over me, they said that they were concerned about me, but they was eating pringles and laughing extremely loudly:-5, never really lived that 1 down

Aren't friends such a comfort? :rolleyes:

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:46 pm

cinamin;678365 wrote: I have a friend who lives in Saudi Arabia and he works there. There they will chop off your hand if you are caught stealing. And I believe you can be put to death for using drugs, certainly for selling them. I almost can agree to those kinds of punishments for drugs and drug offenders. There is practically no crime in Saudi Arabia.

And yet I wouldn't want to live there for long.

I guess there's some things more important that low crime rates.

24Hours · Post by **24Hours** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:17 pm

'[love wrote: light;671801']I'm watching a documentary that is covering the debate on legalization of marijuana.

My opinion?

US Government is exposing itself as a hypocritical entity. Alcohol, lets face it, is tons more damaging to society & the individual than marijuana could EVER aspire to be. Uncle Sam makes money on the 'sin' tax, which taxes things like alcohol & tobacco. Would it not be just one more way to help pave our roads, roof our schools, and, most importantly, help people fight the side effects of illness?

Whats your stance?

I basically agree with you. It's quite obvious that, on principle, I should not be banned from getting a marijuana high on my own property while, and as if, an alcoholic high is AOK. Anyone who has both smoked some weed and been drunk, or has been around both people who smoked weed and others who got drunk ... that it is absurd to claim one high is better than the other, or less dangerous, more moral, or anything like that.

All my stoned sessions as well as with friends have been things like hanging out, drawing, watching a movie, or working on a creative project. Most of those I have seen drink a lot were driving drunk, fighting in bars or elsewhere, and useless. I am not saying everything should be based upon my personal experience but let's stop making believe that alcoholism, DWIs, the violence tendency alcohol has with guys especially, and the general alcohol high should be sanctioned, condoned, and approved of by the Government more than me and my stupid joint at night watching a movie, let's say.

24Hours · Post by **24Hours** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:25 pm

Pinky;682795 wrote: I don't see the point in it personally. The last time I tried it I spent three hours staring at a discarded sock on the carpet. I'd rather have some wine, at least I tend to entertain people instead of doing a really good vegetable impression.:-3

There are definitely times wine is great but do understand that while many get like vegetables while stoned, many do not. I am one of those. Highly functional and extra creative. When I was working a lot in the film/video biz half of everyone was stoned. Creative directors, editors, animators, you name it. Some people get highly functional, it relaxes them and they let go, and think of cool stuff they normally wouldn't have. It also heightens the senses - touch (sex, massage, etc.), audio/visual stimulation, the list goes on. That is why we can do things like create intricate 3d models, retain mega details while compositing a scene in a film, or light a set creatively, while stoned.

Then there are those that can't function, like you said.

24Hours · Post by **24Hours** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:34 pm

Alcohol does that to me a bit, unless I am in an upbeat social situation. Everyone is different.

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:45 pm

like any other substance if used moderately for some people it probably doesnt affect them..but i would not want a dentist, doctor or mechanic doing any work for me stoned...

and i do know people that have done it so much they have that permanent slow response and speech pattern now of a dope. even when they arent high they still are not quite there...and it shows big time...

i am not sure if i would want it legalised...