I have learned more and understood the god squad more and how your faith works from a few of your fantastic posts than I have from being dragged from piller to post by my gran who was a JW and my other gran who was a born again
I am exploring the god thing ,although i dont get it i do now see how you guys get it
i was wondering your take on this and indeed any ones views on it ,without the burn the evil athiest brigade rearing their holier than though heads and starting a mass free for all
this is how i think about god i understand your thinking on the matter and i respect that ,it would be great if other people could understand my views also
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hey MR Ted
hey MR Ted
Access denied, stupid work computer
Bet it was good, too :wah:
Bet it was good, too :wah:
When choosing between two evils, I always like to take the one I've never tried before.
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hey MR Ted
JacksDad;682094 wrote: Try this.
http://www.gofish.com/player.gfp?gfid=30-1052056
the same post as mine buddy :wah:
you were not to forthcoming with your thoughts there JD:D
http://www.gofish.com/player.gfp?gfid=30-1052056
the same post as mine buddy :wah:
you were not to forthcoming with your thoughts there JD:D
hey MR Ted
Yes it is this same post Jim. I put it there for 911.
I have no thoughts on the subject. I'm Buddhist. I'm happy. All is good.
Congratulations on your quest though. It takes a big man to hand his faith over to a higher power.
:-6
I have no thoughts on the subject. I'm Buddhist. I'm happy. All is good.
Congratulations on your quest though. It takes a big man to hand his faith over to a higher power.
:-6
hey MR Ted
JacksDad;682109 wrote: Yes it is this same post Jim. I put it there for 911.
I have no thoughts on the subject. I'm Buddhist. I'm happy. All is good.
Congratulations on your quest though. It takes a big man to hand his faith over to a higher power.
:-6
cheers JD
BUT I HAVE BEEN DIETING
I have no thoughts on the subject. I'm Buddhist. I'm happy. All is good.
Congratulations on your quest though. It takes a big man to hand his faith over to a higher power.
:-6
cheers JD
BUT I HAVE BEEN DIETING
hey MR Ted
jimbo;682115 wrote: cheers JD
BUT I HAVE BEEN DIETING
Finding religion doesn't mean one has to stop being an as$.
:wah:
Cheers Jim.
BUT I HAVE BEEN DIETING
Finding religion doesn't mean one has to stop being an as$.
:wah:
Cheers Jim.
hey MR Ted
Jimbo:-6
I would like to comment on Dawkins first. I did listen to his talk on "The God Illusion".
He begins with a supposition that he simply cannot make. "If God were real the world would be a different place." That is a supposition based on his own thinking.
Then he proceeds in his discussion of the brain to tell people what they have experienced. I really don't know how he can do that since he is not some else who had the experience. All he can present is what he thinks they experienced.
His concept of God is so outdated that I don't accept that concept. I too would reject that concept.
He spoke of the OT being written in 4 000 BCE. He has no idea as to what he is talking about. He knows nothing of the background of the Bible or how it came to be. A good example of someone speaking about something outside of the field of knowledge. That would be akin to me speaking out against evolution. That is not my field.
The resurrection as a myth. First of all he has no idea about the definition or purpose of myth. Here again he displays complete ignorance of the emerging Christian paradigm.
Most of the religious concepts on which he speaks have long ago been discounted by theologians today.
Generally I would say that he in fact has his own religion. It is called rationality which does not answer to all of the concerns or questions in the world. He worships at the altar of scientism which is a very human construction and simply has its limitations.
What his goal is is because he does not accept religion he doesn't think others should. I see that as beyond arrogance. He is entitled to his views and he is entitled to write a book or a thousand if he wishes.
He made a comment that relatively few scientists believe in the Divine but a recent poll and I can't remember where showed that 33% of scientists do have a religious faith.
He might be a good scientist but he should stick to his field or increase his education into other fields.
Einstein once commented that a thousand examples can never prove him right but one example could prove him wrong.
Some form of belief in the Divine has been around since the stone age. Artifacts have been found. "The Great Transformation", Karen Armstrong. It has provided a source of comfort for millions around the world. I'm not only speaking of Christianity. This belief has not only given comfort in times of death etc. but has also produced soup kitchens, food banks, concern and care of the destitute not only in our own country but world wide. It has given humans a purpose for life. It has given hope. I believe Dawkins used the term "false hope". It seems to me that is an oxymoron.
Atheism, and I have no problem with those who follow that view, has not given man hope and comfort in times of trial and death etc. Even the great atheist Neitzhe near the end of his life called out for God. He could not handle the utter despair that he had created within himself. "Does God Exist", Hans Kung. Atheism has not given us food banks or soup kitchens or people to comfort the dying and their close relatives and friends.
Having said that, I am not sure what you are really asking. All of the great faiths of the world have been founded on justice (distributive) and kindness. Who would dispute the need for both? If I see that as a Christian, Buddhist etc. it makes no difference. Such is the essential message of the Bible, both the OT and the NT. Can anyone oppose that message unless they are a dictator or something else?
Man's search for God is a very personal and private matter. It makes no difference what faith you follow. If you are doing justice and practicing kindness you are doing the will of God as seen in all the faiths. As a Christian pluralist I accept the message of the Good News of Jesus Christ but I also accept the validity of all the great faiths of the world. I do not have to denigrate another faith to build up my own provided it is fostering those two purposes of justice and kindness. For others I feel that I can be critical but only in the sense of trying to foster those two and preventing the harm that extremists etc. perpetrate on human beings.
Christianity is trying to return to the spirituality of its origins just as most folks today are seeking for a true spirituality.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I would like to comment on Dawkins first. I did listen to his talk on "The God Illusion".
He begins with a supposition that he simply cannot make. "If God were real the world would be a different place." That is a supposition based on his own thinking.
Then he proceeds in his discussion of the brain to tell people what they have experienced. I really don't know how he can do that since he is not some else who had the experience. All he can present is what he thinks they experienced.
His concept of God is so outdated that I don't accept that concept. I too would reject that concept.
He spoke of the OT being written in 4 000 BCE. He has no idea as to what he is talking about. He knows nothing of the background of the Bible or how it came to be. A good example of someone speaking about something outside of the field of knowledge. That would be akin to me speaking out against evolution. That is not my field.
The resurrection as a myth. First of all he has no idea about the definition or purpose of myth. Here again he displays complete ignorance of the emerging Christian paradigm.
Most of the religious concepts on which he speaks have long ago been discounted by theologians today.
Generally I would say that he in fact has his own religion. It is called rationality which does not answer to all of the concerns or questions in the world. He worships at the altar of scientism which is a very human construction and simply has its limitations.
What his goal is is because he does not accept religion he doesn't think others should. I see that as beyond arrogance. He is entitled to his views and he is entitled to write a book or a thousand if he wishes.
He made a comment that relatively few scientists believe in the Divine but a recent poll and I can't remember where showed that 33% of scientists do have a religious faith.
He might be a good scientist but he should stick to his field or increase his education into other fields.
Einstein once commented that a thousand examples can never prove him right but one example could prove him wrong.
Some form of belief in the Divine has been around since the stone age. Artifacts have been found. "The Great Transformation", Karen Armstrong. It has provided a source of comfort for millions around the world. I'm not only speaking of Christianity. This belief has not only given comfort in times of death etc. but has also produced soup kitchens, food banks, concern and care of the destitute not only in our own country but world wide. It has given humans a purpose for life. It has given hope. I believe Dawkins used the term "false hope". It seems to me that is an oxymoron.
Atheism, and I have no problem with those who follow that view, has not given man hope and comfort in times of trial and death etc. Even the great atheist Neitzhe near the end of his life called out for God. He could not handle the utter despair that he had created within himself. "Does God Exist", Hans Kung. Atheism has not given us food banks or soup kitchens or people to comfort the dying and their close relatives and friends.
Having said that, I am not sure what you are really asking. All of the great faiths of the world have been founded on justice (distributive) and kindness. Who would dispute the need for both? If I see that as a Christian, Buddhist etc. it makes no difference. Such is the essential message of the Bible, both the OT and the NT. Can anyone oppose that message unless they are a dictator or something else?
Man's search for God is a very personal and private matter. It makes no difference what faith you follow. If you are doing justice and practicing kindness you are doing the will of God as seen in all the faiths. As a Christian pluralist I accept the message of the Good News of Jesus Christ but I also accept the validity of all the great faiths of the world. I do not have to denigrate another faith to build up my own provided it is fostering those two purposes of justice and kindness. For others I feel that I can be critical but only in the sense of trying to foster those two and preventing the harm that extremists etc. perpetrate on human beings.
Christianity is trying to return to the spirituality of its origins just as most folks today are seeking for a true spirituality.
Shalom
Ted:-6
hey MR Ted
My heavens I outdid myself in that post. Sorry for the length.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Shalom
Ted:-6
hey MR Ted
fantastic thank you :-6:-6:-6
i shall get back to you in several hours/days/months/years when i have given your post the thought it deserves :-6
i shall get back to you in several hours/days/months/years when i have given your post the thought it deserves :-6