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Most of you know about the "Holocaust", but probably are not aware that during WW2 despite a high concentration of Jews living in NYC, many of the big hotels, clubs, and other public facilities were closed to Jews. I grew up in New Jersey, across from NYC and witnessed daily discrimination of Jews on a regular basis. When I moved to California, many Jews that I met had changed their sur name to less Jewish sounding names like Smith or Brown. I wonder why?

A good film that is available on DVD called "Gentleman's Agreement" starring Gregory Peck does a great job of depicting this discrimination.
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I pretty much like all the jews, although I am not fond of the prune jews.
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YZGI;678702 wrote: I pretty much like all the jews, although I am not fond of the prune jews.


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YZGI;678702 wrote: I pretty much like all the jews, although I am not fond of the prune jews.:wah::wah:





i dont mind jews ,in fact i dont mind any race as long as they dont have the kill whitey mentality going on :thinking::D
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i like jews and all colours and creed:-3
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I hate all this stuff about excuteing people because of their Religion,Sexuality or Race its so stupid we are all Human why cant other people see that :thinking:
"Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars. Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, 'I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight', people would say, 'Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a damn word that comes out of his mouth.' " Michael Jackson
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jews control the world
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beautiful_soul;678979 wrote: jews control the world


Damn----------I thought it was Aussies.
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Well you've got one thing right, Lon!

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Lon;678699 wrote: Most of you know about the "Holocaust", but probably are not aware that during WW2 despite a high concentration of Jews living in NYC, many of the big hotels, clubs, and other public facilities were closed to Jews. I grew up in New Jersey, across from NYC and witnessed daily discrimination of Jews on a regular basis. When I moved to California, many Jews that I met had changed their sur name to less Jewish sounding names like Smith or Brown. I wonder why?

A good film that is available on DVD called "Gentleman's Agreement" starring Gregory Peck does a great job of depicting this discrimination.


Anti semitism was hardly a peculiarly german phenomenon. Indeed it is one of the ironies that germany had been one of the more tolerant of the european countries towards jews. One of the reasons so many stayed on when hitler cane to power was there`was nowhere for them to go. Other countries didn't want them

Anti semitism is just one of the more prevalent forms of racial or religious hatred common throughout the world. American anti-semitism was every bit as virulent as elsewhere but it wasn't defeated in the same way it was in europe with the lessons of where extreme nationalism and hatred could lead were ones that led to wholesale destruction.

Instead it became unfashionable but morphed to came back in the guise of Macarthyism and is still around in one form or another. Racial hatred/anti-semitism are all pretty much the same kind of mind set I reckon. anti semitism is racism by any other name, the target just change and fashion comes and goes.

Wasn't just jews that had to anglicise their names all nationalities and religions had to do it to blend in did they not? WASP is a peculiarly American term did you not have to pretend to be one to get on in the places of power.
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Lon;678699 wrote: Most of you know about the "Holocaust", but probably are not aware that during WW2 despite a high concentration of Jews living in NYC, many of the big hotels, clubs, and other public facilities were closed to Jews. I grew up in New Jersey, across from NYC and witnessed daily discrimination of Jews on a regular basis. When I moved to California, many Jews that I met had changed their sur name to less Jewish sounding names like Smith or Brown. I wonder why?

A good film that is available on DVD called "Gentleman's Agreement" starring Gregory Peck does a great job of depicting this discrimination.


So what is your opinion of Mel Gibson?

There is something I find unsavoury about some NY Jews and the best people who can describe those types are in fact NY Jews like Seinfeld etc, I've met a few on passenger liners, I found them to be selfish and greedy, they in fact demonstrate racist attitudes toward black Americans.
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henrychalder;679718 wrote: So what is your opinion of Mel Gibson?

There is something I find unsavoury about some NY Jews and the best people who can describe those types are in fact NY Jews like Seinfeld etc, I've met a few on passenger liners, I found them to be selfish and greedy, they in fact demonstrate racist attitudes toward black Americans.


Good actor also a good director. I can even forgive his portrayal of a true scottish hero as an antipodean dwarf . Haven't seen apocalypto or the one about JC whose title escapes me though I gather the ending is a bit unbelievable.

I find bigotry distasteful wherever I come across it and wherever it is directed. Usually it stems from ignorance and a lack of self esteem. Why are you surprised some jews are bigots? Does that somehow make anti-semitism justifiable.
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henrychalder;679718 wrote: So what is your opinion of Mel Gibson?

There is something I find unsavoury about some NY Jews and the best people who can describe those types are in fact NY Jews like Seinfeld etc, I've met a few on passenger liners, I found them to be selfish and greedy, they in fact demonstrate racist attitudes toward black Americans.


Unsavoury??? That's one adjective that I haven't heard applied to Jews.

I think Gibson is a fairly good actor and an even better producer and director.

Despite it's brief run, I thought Apacolypto was brilliant.
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Lon;679916 wrote: Unsavoury??? That's one adjective that I haven't heard applied to Jews.

I think Gibson is a fairly good actor and an even better producer and director.

Despite it's brief run, I thought Apacolypto was brilliant.


just going away to watch it-ph the joys of cable television.
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Jews Jews ! Its always the Jews with you Lonny. Oiy Vey !
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Lon;679916 wrote: Unsavoury??? That's one adjective that I haven't heard applied to Jews.

I think Gibson is a fairly good actor and an even better producer and director.

Despite it's brief run, I thought Apacolypto was brilliant.


when I mentioned Mel Gibson, I assumed everyone knew of his outburst made to a Jewish cop who nicked him for drunk driving, Mel made anti zionist comments to the officer whilst under the influence, he later apologised but It did give an insight into Mel's mind. He is obviously a fundamentalist Christian as is his father and his film about the crucifixion of Christ doesn't exactly show the Jewish faith in a good light. Hitler would have enjoyed his film.
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henrychalder;680375 wrote: when I mentioned Mel Gibson, I assumed everyone knew of his outburst made to a Jewish cop who nicked him for drunk driving, Mel made anti zionist comments to the officer whilst under the influence, he later apologised but It did give an insight into Mel's mind. He is obviously a fundamentalist Christian as is his father and his film about the crucifixion of Christ doesn't exactly show the Jewish faith in a good light. Hitler would have enjoyed his film.
[smilie=1,21,37] Neither does the Bible.



You equate fundamentalist Christian with anti-Semite?
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henrychalder;680375 wrote: when I mentioned Mel Gibson, I assumed everyone knew of his outburst made to a Jewish cop who nicked him for drunk driving, Mel made anti zionist comments to the officer whilst under the influence, he later apologised but It did give an insight into Mel's mind. He is obviously a fundamentalist Christian as is his father and his film about the crucifixion of Christ doesn't exactly show the Jewish faith in a good light. Hitler would have enjoyed his film.


I was aware of his anti semitic comments, which was unfortunate, however, it does not take away his directorial talents as far as I am concerned. I find any comparison to Hitler a bit of a stretch.
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Although most elderly British people would deny it now, the Jews were unpopular in Britain even after the holocaust.

My Grandfather was a musician in the music halls and even played at the Elstree studio's, he came from generations of a coal mining family in Yorkshire, so it was quite an achievement that he broke away from the mines to become a musician, he died poor and still young as did his wife aged 33. The Jews took over the music halls and preferred to take on other Jewish musicians, so he had to get work elsewhere like playing music in factories. Its not surprising my father had a loathing of Jews, his father died when he was only 8 years of age so with no parents his older brother had to look after him. They used to steal to survive consequently his older brother used to get caught and spent most of his teenage years in detention. My father was a follower of Mosley in the 50s, I suspect he also fought on the German side during the war, he told me of a story that the German s recruited British POWs. It was never explained to me that after the war my father spent time in the Glass House and was sent to the Isle of Silt. He can speak in German, his excuse was that he had a German girlfriend in Berlin after the war but it doesn't add up. Once in the 60s a man approached my father who was an entertainer and said to him.."I see you have done well but I wont go into it", and he walked away, my mother asked who the man was, my father explained, "he was in a condemned cell in Berlin after the war.
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henrychalder;680420 wrote: Although most elderly British people would deny it now, the Jews were unpopular in Britain even after the holocaust.

My Grandfather was a musician in the music halls and even played at the Elstree studio's, he came from generations of a coal mining family in Yorkshire, so it was quite an achievement that he broke away from the mines to become a musician, he died poor and still young as did his wife aged 33. The Jews took over the music halls and preferred to take on other Jewish musicians, so he had to get work elsewhere like playing music in factories. Its not surprising my father had a loathing of Jews, his father died when he was only 8 years of age so with no parents his older brother had to look after him. They used to steal to survive consequently his older brother used to get caught and spent most of his teenage years in detention. My father was a follower of Mosley in the 50s, I suspect he also fought on the German side during the war, he told me of a story that the German s recruited British POWs. It was never explained to me that after the war my father spent time in the Glass House and was sent to the Isle of Silt. He can speak in German, his excuse was that he had a German girlfriend in Berlin after the war but it doesn't add up. Once in the 60s a man approached my father who was an entertainer and said to him.."I see you have done well but I wont go into it", and he walked away, my mother asked who the man was, my father explained, "he was in a condemned cell in Berlin after the war.


Maybe he was of those who joined the British free corps.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/br ... _corps.htm

It would explain his reticence about talking about the war if he had been.

Yorkshire miners were hardly lacking in musical ability. The miners brass bands in particular were of a level second to none as were the factory bands the best players were traded like football professionals, having a good band was a matter of great pride in those communities. It's one of the myths that musical appreciation and ability is confined to the middle classes.
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My grandfather didn't play any wind instruments but stringed instruments. My father once showed me an old black and white Elstree film, in the film was an orchestra and my father showed me my grandfather playing a celo. My Grandfather was one of two brothers from the same family who got away from the mines to become musicians.

It was years ago when I was a boy my father told me of the British Free Corp and that captured British Free Corp were put on trains from Germany to a Belgium port, when the captured British Free Corp got out of the wagons they were stoned by local people, the British soldiers guarding them stood by and let them, he told me some were killed but the news never got out about this incident.

He also told me that shortly after the D Day landings his regiment was told to advance on a certain church and that his platoon was the only ones who made it to the church. He went onto say they were outnumbered and hid inside the church was it was surrounded by Germans, I suspect that he may have been captured.

He has told me of stories of British cowardice after the D day landings, that the 8th army were lacking in bottle despite their experience in Africa, that a certain Yorkshire regiment ran because of the sound of their own guns. He had complete admiration for the German army and the Americans.

He is a Holocaust denier and said that its the best weapon the Jews have in modern times. The odd thing was he used to mix with the retired Jews in Westcliff on Sea near Southend and even used to mimic the hand gestures, they assumed him to be a fellow Jew, he looks quite Jewish himself.

The chap who approached my father was Johnny Eagles, a street entertainer and talent contest winner on TV in the early 60s, I think the program was 'opportunity knocks', he was also a wrestler.
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posted by henrychalder

It was years ago when I was a boy my father told me of the British Free Corp and that captured British Free Corp were put on trains from Germany to a Belgium port, when the captured British Free Corp got out of the wagons they were stoned by local people, the British soldiers guarding them stood by and let them, he told me some were killed but the news never got out about this incident.


The leader was executed as a traitor. Given the sentiment around at the time a British crowd might have lynched them given half a chance. A couple of the freikorps have written autobiographies. It's amazing how bigotry can survive in even the most intelligent of people.
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my father also told me how to recognize Jews by their altered names and would demonstrate their influence on British society, for instance, the once Home Secretary Malcolm Rifkinds real name is Rivkind an east european jew who is the cousin of fellow east European jew, Leon Brittan or Brittvinsky, also a once Home Secretary but of course now a top EU Brussells official. It was always the Jewish Marxist regime to dissolve a countries borders, then to rule from within, it seems no coincidence that past Jewish Home Secretaries have weakened our immigration policies such as Michael Howard and Jack Straw (a known Maxist who was observed by MI5 in his younger days, who used the name from a 14th century peasant leader), none of them use their real names. Now we have become so docile all the impliments are now in place for world domination and Israel will be the centre of it.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
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henrychalder;684161 wrote: my father also told me how to recognize Jews by their altered names and would demonstrate their influence on British society, for instance, the once Home Secretary Malcolm Rifkinds real name is Rivkind an east european jew who is the cousin of fellow east European jew, Leon Brittan or Brittvinsky, also a once Home Secretary but of course now a top EU Brussells official. It was always the Jewish Marxist regime to dissolve a countries borders, then to rule from within, it seems no coincidence that past Jewish Home Secretaries have weakened our immigration policies such as Michael Howard and Jack Straw (a known Maxist who was observed by MI5 in his younger days, who used the name from a 14th century peasant leader), none of them use their real names. Now we have become so docile all the impliments are now in place for world domination and Israel will be the centre of it.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.


Is there some point you are trying to make?

Our aristocracy is Norman French, The royal family is German the Romans took over the country from the native British then the Anglo Saxon took it off those the romans left behind and then the Danish and swedes came along and took it from them, meanwhile the Irish were invading Scotland. We're a mongrel nation-arguable that is why we have achieved so much-pure blood pseudo Nazi anti Semitic mutterings like all such mutterings seem based on ignorance more than any logical rational basis.

Some of our politicians have Anglicised European names, big deal, even the Royal family had to change their name to hide their German origins.

Jack Straw is a marxist? big surprise that, wonder what he was doing in what used to be a socialist party like labour. It's only about ten years that that the commitment to nationalise all private industry was dropped Did you know they still sing the red flag and the internationale at their conferences? It wasn't just jack straw that was observed by MI5. The fact that labour politicians as elected representatives were spied on by the secret service should make you worry about who the secret service are supposed to be working for.

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/int/int.html

(just in case you get fed up with the Horst Wessel song whose tune-as I'm sure you know was based on a well known hymn)

Written by a Frenchman round about the time they were giving the States the Statue of liberty. Do you think George Bush knows he's been hob nobbing with the leader of a socialist political party (even if TB seems to have forgotten) who knows the words to the red flag? GW Being a good Christian he probably knows the tune quite well maybe he could just hum along.
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Uncle Fester;684257 wrote: I like Jews , but I can only eat one a day :lips:



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gmc;684232 wrote: Is there some point you are trying to make?

Our aristocracy is Norman French, The royal family is German the Romans took over the country from the native British then the Anglo Saxon took it off those the romans left behind and then the Danish and swedes came along and took it from them, meanwhile the Irish were invading Scotland. We're a mongrel nation-arguable that is why we have achieved so much-pure blood pseudo Nazi anti Semitic mutterings like all such mutterings seem based on ignorance more than any logical rational basis.

Some of our politicians have Anglicised European names, big deal, even the Royal family had to change their name to hide their German origins.

Jack Straw is a marxist? big surprise that, wonder what he was doing in what used to be a socialist party like labour. It's only about ten years that that the commitment to nationalise all private industry was dropped Did you know they still sing the red flag and the internationale at their conferences? It wasn't just jack straw that was observed by MI5. The fact that labour politicians as elected representatives were spied on by the secret service should make you worry about who the secret service are supposed to be working for.

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/int/int.html

(just in case you get fed up with the Horst Wessel song whose tune-as I'm sure you know was based on a well known hymn)

Written by a Frenchman round about the time they were giving the States the Statue of liberty. Do you think George Bush knows he's been hob nobbing with the leader of a socialist political party (even if TB seems to have forgotten) who knows the words to the red flag? GW Being a good Christian he probably knows the tune quite well maybe he could just hum along.


I've never had to change my name so I can hide in the shadows. My name is an old name that appeared when the Saxons came to Britain and fought the remnants of the Roman garrisons, so my name comes from the Saxons.

I've never been in favour of the Royal family, they have been medalling in affairs of power up until Victoria and have even had apposers of the Royal family murdered. Cromwell should have had them all put to the block. He was right to have Charles the first put to death for treason, hiring foreigners to kill Englishmen. It was obvious that if Hitler invaded England the Royal family would have been the first to capitulate, some records of the Royals interests in Hitler have been removed

Every country has mongrel blood to a certain extent unless of course your some ancient tribe living in the Amazon jungle or in the African scrub that few white men have rarely seen. My point isn't about the colour of your blood more of what flag you fly. I notice you signify yourself by the Scottish flag. Now, should it not be a white flag with your point of view?

These mutterings as you call it is often assumed to be ignorance but there is an awful lot of people making such utterings, but of course they all have low IQs and are unintelligent and are without doubt all racists unlike the Jews of course. Hitler was a raving lunatic etc etc!

We, who want a referendum about the EU constitution are also said to be racists by officials in the EU. How dare they!

Most people would agree with me that there is some hidden agenda going on that is not in any manifesto but is being driven by an elite, who are the elite?

Who runs the banks and Global industries etc?

Who contrived invading Iraq?

Who is trying to manipulate a situation to attack Iran?

1984 could be here sooner than you think.

Its an old conspiracy theory that is starting to worry a few. The rest are simply docile and stupid, more interested in Paris Hilton, Jordan and Emerdale
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henrychalder;684489 wrote:

1984 could be here sooner than you think.




It's deja vu all over again ! :D

At least you're a funny anti-Semite.
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back to the future in more ways than one eh!
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henrychalder;684489 wrote: Who contrived invading Iraq?



Who is trying to manipulate a situation to attack Iran?



1984 could be here sooner than you think.



Its an old conspiracy theory that is starting to worry a few. The rest are simply docile and stupid, more interested in Paris Hilton, Jordan and Emerdale
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There is another meaning to the name Bush.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,1 ... 40,00.html

You could also add...'draught dodgers' and comes from a family of 'traitors' for profit
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posted by henrychalder

These mutterings as you call it is often assumed to be ignorance but there is an awful lot of people making such utterings, but of course they all have low IQs and are unintelligent and are without doubt all racists unlike the Jews of course. Hitler was a raving lunatic etc etc!


from the oxford english dictionary

ignorance

• noun lack of knowledge or information.




Racism is usually as the result of ignorance and/or lack of self confidence in ones own culture. However, ignorant people are not usually lacking in intelligence they are just lacking in information or sometimes just a lack of an open mind or an inability to see another's point of view. Jews of course are just as racist as anyone else-just ask a Palestinian.

Hitler was a lunatic however much you may miss him. A charming persuasive one but many insane people are charming. He too wanted a unified europe he just wanted to be in charge of it.

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We, who want a referendum about the EU constitution are also said to be racists by officials in the EU. How dare they!


There was a referendum when we went in and i find many who now want a referendum conveniently forget that fact. a surprising number also don't seem to be aware of it either. Being intelligent but also surprisingly ignorant they are swayed by the last brochure they read and are often surprised when that is pointed out to them. I also find that many-while being intelligent don't have the basic ability to think for themselves that would result in them checking what they are told.

The majority of those voting in that referendum knew only too well the consequences of warfare brought on by blind patriotism and bigotry and could see the benefits of eu membership in helping prevent future wars. The idea that the other nations are any more likely to give up their separate nationality and identity than we are so they can join and be ruled by the French and Germans is of course absurd-most of the eastern european countries desperate to join have just got theirs back.

posted by henrychalder

Most people would agree with me that there is some hidden agenda going on that is not in any manifesto but is being driven by an elite, who are the elite?


that sad pathetic we are all helpless victims of a global conspiracy frame of mind that is little more than a form of intellectual masturbation and about as likely to achieve anything. You need to widen your circle of acquaintances. Nip along to the next socialist party meeting in your area.
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gmc;686007 wrote: posted by henrychalder



from the oxford english dictionary



Racism is usually as the result of ignorance and/or lack of self confidence in ones own culture. However, ignorant people are not usually lacking in intelligence they are just lacking in information or sometimes just a lack of an open mind or an inability to see another's point of view. Jews of course are just as racist as anyone else-just ask a Palestinian.

Hitler was a lunatic however much you may miss him. A charming persuasive one but many insane people are charming. He too wanted a unified europe he just wanted to be in charge of it.

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There was a referendum when we went in and i find many who now want a referendum conveniently forget that fact. a surprising number also don't seem to be aware of it either. Being intelligent but also surprisingly ignorant they are swayed by the last brochure they read and are often surprised when that is pointed out to them. I also find that many-while being intelligent don't have the basic ability to think for themselves that would result in them checking what they are told.

The majority of those voting in that referendum knew only too well the consequences of warfare brought on by blind patriotism and bigotry and could see the benefits of eu membership in helping prevent future wars. The idea that the other nations are any more likely to give up their separate nationality and identity than we are so they can join and be ruled by the French and Germans is of course absurd-most of the eastern european countries desperate to join have just got theirs back.

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that sad pathetic we are all helpless victims of a global conspiracy frame of mind that is little more than a form of intellectual masturbation and about as likely to achieve anything. You need to widen your circle of acquaintances. Nip along to the next socialist party meeting in your area.


I am sitting here, with my jaw dropped to the floor! I FEEL LIKE CHEERING. Allright, right on. You said what I'm thinking so well I'ma gonna write your words down in my big book of famous quotes, if you don't mind that is?
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double helix;686091 wrote: I am sitting here, with my jaw dropped to the floor! I FEEL LIKE CHEERING. Allright, right on. You said what I'm thinking so well I'ma gonna write your words down in my big book of famous quotes, if you don't mind that is?


Now you're confusing me. I had you down as a closet nazi come ukip numpty, now I'm not sure whether you are a wind up merchant or simply like rattling peoples cages. Any way it's entertaining.
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GMC, I find a lot of what you say quite common among some socialists but not all. Your arguments about racism, bigotry and blind patriotism is all about ignorance. The word Racism has now so many meanings that its become a misused word. If someone were to think a particular race were superior than another then they would be truly ignorant.

With regard to 'blind patriotism', are you simply meaning 'patriotism' and its you that is 'blind'?

As often is with people of your ilk you make too many assumptions, you assume that I miss Hitler, I'm not a follower of Hitler at all but only a fool or someone ignorant would believe him to be a lunatic, there were an awful lot of Germans who'd disagree with you even now.

In fact I would be in agreement with a lot on the far left of politics who share many of my views. I'm neither right or left but I think Nationalism should be revived and not Nationalism Socialism, Jews are critisized by people from the far left and from the far right

I have campaigned for UKIP but became dis- illusioned ever since Kilroy was taken and so left.

We voted to join the EU in a referendum by Edward Heath, it was merely seen as a trading block, it was hoped that the subsidies for farmers upheld by the French could be negotiated and eventually removed but here we are today and the French are still reaping the benefits as their leaders and politicians are in a different league to our own and of course their PATRIOTISM is greater than our own even amongst their socialists. Our fishing fleet is all but gone and fishing licenses are sold off to foreigners

I see no reason for 660 MPs and Councils any more as their powers have been thwarted by EU directives, not that most of them are bothered, if anyone was a lunatic it was more likely to be a gullable Heath.

There maybe people throughout history who have been labeled as lunatics depending on who was the victor or the loser but you should always take a lesson from history...never simply dismiss people as lunatics, to defeat an enemy you must understand them first and never assume them to be lunatics or you will pay the price of being ignorant yourself.

The lastest leader to be assumed ignorant and foolish is Irans President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I listened to one of his speeches and he's no fool, its the media and the Americans that are re- cycling this nonsense.

I have listened to so called experts on certain subjects in my time who claim to be intelligent and educated but I've often been found myself to be right over the experts in the long run and yet I left school at fifteen from a low stream regarded as not at all academic and became a ships steward, but hey! look where Prescott ended up.

We even have an ex postie as education minister. Pity we have so many in Parliament from the Parasitical Profession (the legal profession)
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posted by herychalder

GMC, I find a lot of what you say quite common among some socialists but not all. Your arguments about racism, bigotry and blind patriotism is all about ignorance. The word Racism has now so many meanings that its become a misused word. If someone were to think a particular race were superior than another then they would be truly ignorant.


Actually racism has a very clear meaning

oxford engkish dictionary

racism

• noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.

— DERIVATIVES racist noun & adjective.




I've yet to meet a racist that thinks his particular sub group inferior. You meet racists of all colours-if not racism it's religious bigotry. I've little time for either.

posted by henry chalder

As often is with people of your ilk you make too many assumptions, you assume that I miss Hitler, I'm not a follower of Hitler at all but only a fool or someone ignorant would believe him to be a lunatic, there were an awful lot of Germans who'd disagree with you even now.


You do seem to find his theories on the jews quite attractive-If you think genocide on the grounds of race is the act of a sane person then good luck to you. Insane doesn't mean he was stupid or lacking in charm. There are a lot of british people who think he was right and he did have his supporters in this country as well-nazism seems to undergoing something of a revival. Now we have moslems as a bogey man as well as the jews.

posted by henry chalder

In fact I would be in agreement with a lot on the far left of politics who share many of my views. I'm neither right or left but I think Nationalism should be revived and not Nationalism Socialism, Jews are critisized by people from the far left and from the far right




With regard to 'blind patriotism', are you simply meaning 'patriotism' and its you that is 'blind'?


Nationalism hasn't died out just the jingoistic my country right or wrong stupidity that led to ww1 and arguably ww2. Being British my response to a politician trying to tell me to be more patriotic is F)*K O&^. It would be nice if the english took a bit more pride in being English though. On the other hand the regions are so diverse there is no quintessentially English identity to latch on to. At least they have stopped waving the union flag instead of the English flag at internationals. That used to really antagonise most scots, welsh and Northern Irish. Indeed in Scotland nationalism is doing rather well at the moment much to the chagrin of new labour, to whom much of the credit is due, if they could but see it.

We live in a free country. If you criticise the govt that is not being unpatriotic that is exercising free speech. Indeed taking the **** out of whoever in power is a national sport. I don't support the war in Iraq for instance that does not mean i am lacking patriotism it means I am opposed to the actions taken on my behalf by TB and his cronies. Nor does it mean i don't support the troops-it does mean I am angry at lives being squandered with so little thought.

Blind patriotism would be if i supported govt action regardless. Only a complete idiot let's others tell him what to think follows leaders blindly. Bit like nazis really. Blind fools following a lunatic not daring to question anything they are told.

The lastest leader to be assumed ignorant and foolish is Irans President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I listened to one of his speeches and he's no fool, its the media and the Americans that are re- cycling this nonsense.


Now if all Americans went in for blind patriotism they wouldn't question the war in iraq and believe the nonsense their media tells them wouldn't they? Blind patriotism-my country right or wrong, and freedom do not sit well together. Every now and then people forget.

We voted to join the EU in a referendum by Edward Heath, it was merely seen as a trading block, it was hoped that the subsidies for farmers upheld by the French could be negotiated and eventually removed but here we are today and the French are still reaping the benefits as their leaders and politicians are in a different league to our own and of course their PATRIOTISM is greater than our own even amongst their socialists. Our fishing fleet is all but gone and fishing licenses are sold off to foreigners

I see no reason for 660 MPs and Councils any more as their powers have been thwarted by EU directives, not that most of them are bothered, if anyone was a lunatic it was more likely to be a gullable Heath.


There is much wrong with the eec and also many good things as well. Don't forget the state our economy was in at the time and we were going cap in hand trying to join, many parts of britain have benefited greatly by membership. The problem is as much to do with our own politicians as eu membership per se. But you're right there is also much wrong with it as well. on balance we are better in than out.

I have campaigned for UKIP but became dis- illusioned ever since Kilroy was taken and so left.


I was right then, closet nazi and ukip numpty. It's the pathetic I'm going to take the ball home if you don't play my way attitude of UKIP that gets me.
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lol...quite well put Spot.

I'm glad you put the oxford dictionary meaning to the word racist, it underlines the fact that a lot of people use the word 'racist' frequently out of context usually when they are losing an argument, if you went to a UKIP meeting it would seem quite obvious they are not racists. In fact Nigel Farage the UKIP leader is doing a very good job of representing the party.

On a lighter note, at one such meeting I met Teresa Gorman, who gave a speech, before the speech I told her how well she looked and to be quite honest I hardly recognised her. During her speech my attention was drawn to her face which fascinated me, she seemed to have a permanent smile and when she blinked her eyelids couldn't shut all the way, it intrigued me so much I hadn't a clue what the speech was about, I mentioned this to my wife sitting next to me..my wife told me she'd had a face lift and thats why she moved away quickly when you mentioned about how well she looked, I think she thought you were being sarcastic.

Your fellow Scot George Galloway intrigues me very much although a lot of his views I would appose, he doesn't agree with Scotland becoming independent and gives some good valid reasons. George does give some insight into the goings on in Westminster and shows it to be rotten. I posted a thread about George but no one seems to be interested, it includes a video of when he was suspended from Parliament. I watched the whole of the two hour video it wasn't my intention to do so but I couldn't help watching the whole thing, he demonstrated that cutting Scottish humour. George has strong views on the state of Israel and the influence of Jews in government. It would seem that Ken Livingston also has an issue with Jews but would you call both of them racists?

We can all be grateful for another Scot, Alex Salmond for bringing the 'Honours for Loans' issue and makes you wonder why no one else has brought it up before. One wonders what had gone on in the corridors of power that got the culprits off the charge?

At least they have stopped waving the union flag instead of the English flag at internationals. That used to really antagonise most scots, welsh and Northern Irish. Indeed in Scotland nationalism is doing rather well at the moment much to the chagrin of new labour, to whom much of the credit is due, if they could but see it.


Do I detect you maybe a Nationalist yourself? I would question the Welsh Nationalist party 'Plaidcymru' for proposing that anyone taking up residence in Wales should automatically be granted as Welsh citizens, I think they have lost the plot and left a lot of Welshman scratching their heads in confusion..so they would have Chinese born in China and Pakistani's born in Pakistan being good old taffs.. hardly a Nationalistic view I would have thought, I wonder whether the Scottish Nationalists are going the same way in a venture for more votes? They've shown that they value the East European votes and are swooning to accommodate them like some Glaswegian slut prostitute trolling the docks for trade rather like the 3 main British parties have been prostituting themselves for ethnic votes and have forgotten the majority
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henrychalder;686545 wrote: The lastest leader to be assumed ignorant and foolish is Irans President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I listened to one of his speeches and he's no fool


Birds of a feather...
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Just because I say President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is no fool, does not mean I agree with him. Sometimes you have to listen to your enemies and understand where their coming from so as to defeat them. How can you disagree with Ahmadinejad when he says that the Americans financed a seven year war against Iran by Iraq, even our own minister Douglas Hurd was having friendly meetings with Saddam whilst a super gun deal was being concluded with a British company at the time and deadly chemicals were being exported from the west to Iraq.

Look at the public relations exercise that Ahmadinejad made of when our marine boarding party were captured by the Iranian navy, we had egg all over our faces over the incident and to cap it all our defense minister allowed the captured marines to sell their story to the press and have a press conference which made a spectacle of the suitability of our marines to perform its duties at the sight of an overweight woman and a very physically immature looking man just to rub salt into the wounds...it beggars belief as to the calibre of persons in charge of our country.

Before we make judgements to go to war in the middle east we should not be under the influence of foreign countries, non elected members or financiers of a government who have loyalties elsewhere or by press officers like Alistair Campbell who ride rough shod over people like Nuclear weapons expert David Kelly or the British Ambassy staff of Muslim countries who warned Blair of a pending disaster if he went a head with a full invasion of Iraq.
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posted by henry chalder

lol...quite well put Spot.

I'm glad you put the oxford dictionary meaning to the word racist, it underlines the fact that a lot of people use the word 'racist' frequently out of context usually when they are losing an argument, if you went to a UKIP meeting it would seem quite obvious they are not racists. In fact Nigel Farage the UKIP leader is doing a very good job of representing the party.


Oi you! I'm not spot. For one thing, even spot would agree, I'm far better looking.

I put the definition in for your benefit. I find it's usually the I'm not a racist but we are different and we need to be proud of the things that make us special school of philosophy that like playing with semantics. Tie the basic attitude in with either religion or pseudo science and you have a nightmare waiting till society falls asleep and lets it get hold.

posted by henry chalder

Before we make judgements to go to war in the middle east we should not be under the influence of foreign countries, non elected members or financiers of a government who have loyalties elsewhere or by press officers like Alistair Campbell who ride rough shod over people like Nuclear weapons expert David Kelly or the British Ambassy staff of Muslim countries who warned Blair of a pending disaster if he went a head with a full invasion of Iraq.


Now I'm depressed. i agree with you. Saw one parliamentary commitee report where they were suggesting that all gifts to political parties be banned and finance should come from membership fees or public funding to remove any possibility of undue influence. can't see either going for that although i think it's a brilliant idea. The tories were always a bit hypocritical about criticising unions funding the labour party while still themselves accepting massive contributions from corporations or rich individuals. TB has destryoed the labour oparty just as maggie destroyed the tory party. A plague on both of them.

Do I detect you maybe a Nationalist yourself? I would question the Welsh Nationalist party 'Plaidcymru' for proposing that anyone taking up residence in Wales should automatically be granted as Welsh citizens, I think they have lost the plot and left a lot of Welshman scratching their heads in confusion..so they would have Chinese born in China and Pakistani's born in Pakistan being good old taffs.. hardly a Nationalistic view I would have thought, I wonder whether the Scottish Nationalists are going the same way in a venture for more votes? They've shown that they value the East European votes and are swooning to accommodate them like some Glaswegian slut prostitute trolling the docks for trade rather like the 3 main British parties have been prostituting themselves for ethnic votes and have forgotten the majority


Yes and no. I enjoy seeing the Labour mafia wetting themselves with fright as they lose votes to the SNP. It's thanks first to maggie and then TB that they have made so much headway recently. Raises an interesting point. Should all the english living here be allowed to vote for MSP's?-on the other hand what about all the scots living in England-should they be allowed to vote in english elections?
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