Jives wrote: And tell children to kill themselves, and do drugs, and randomly stab people, and be violent. Don't downplay it, you are defending these things.
funny thing about that. The kids were talking about an "R" rated movie that came out the other day. i asked them how they saw it, since none of them are even close to 17, they said the ratings system is a joke and they can get their hands on anything they want out there. Be realistic, there's no way to keep this sinister stuf out of their hands short of banning this obscenity. And that's what it is...Obscene!
Hypocrite. But it's OK for other people's children is that it? Your complacency and apathy is a big part of the problem, sir.
YOU AIN'T EVEN BEGUN TO EXPERIENCE DRAMA, M****RF****R.
YOUR MAMMA,
YOUR M******RF*****G BIG FAT CHICKEN FACE A*S MAMMA,
DONT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS DRAMA, M******RF*****R!
Dead in the grass with his, d**k in his a$$
Because Micheal Jackson squeezed up on some little kids b**ls
[Chorus - Violent J]
(YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S TERRIBLE) [x2]
Yeah she's so terrible you gotta beat her you B***H-ASS WACK M*****RF******R!
Heroin and a shotgun, a hero is made!
And you wanna know why I KILLLL PEOPLE!
[Chorus repeats to end]
You seriously think child molesting is funny? Murder is funny? Profanity is funny? Drug abuse is funny? You think exposing young childen to this vile trash is funny? Yet you say you wouldn't expose your own children to this. i say again, You are a hypocrite of the worst kind.
A purveyor of profanity, you endorse this vileness through you patent lack of caring. "Sure the world's screwed up, but it's ok, as long as my children aren't exposed to it. You think they won't be expsed to it anyway? The only way to stop it is to ban it. This isn't art any more than a statue of the Virgin Mary covered with feces is.
When you own little daughter comes home, dressed in black, with 16 piercings and tells you that she's running away with her 30 year old boyfriend, even though she's only 15, you'll wonder what you did wrong as a parent....come back here then and rethink your position.
They are greedy, selfish, insidious men who have chosen for a target of their profanity, violence, and sex, young, innocent children. They are the most despicable and abhorrent kind of evildoers imaginable..
and you are defending them.
BTS climbs up on Jives' desk............ High fives jumps down and YELLLS...................
YES!!!!!!!
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Are YOU down with the Clown?
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Are YOU down with the Clown?
lol. Thanks, BTS. I guess since I work with kids every day and see up close and personal the effects of this kind of "music" on them, I take it to heart a little more than most others.
And let's make sure we get this straight, I am a certified EXPERT on the effects of negative influences on children.
Specifically, I run a school for alternative children. Do they gravitate to this negatvity because of the horrifying reality of their lives, or has the detestable effect of this influence been partly to blame for their emotional destruction?
It doesn't matter. Whether the tumor was caused by the body's chemistry, or the body's chemistry is being devastated by the tumor...
either way, you cut it out before it kills the human being.
And let's make sure we get this straight, I am a certified EXPERT on the effects of negative influences on children.
Specifically, I run a school for alternative children. Do they gravitate to this negatvity because of the horrifying reality of their lives, or has the detestable effect of this influence been partly to blame for their emotional destruction?
It doesn't matter. Whether the tumor was caused by the body's chemistry, or the body's chemistry is being devastated by the tumor...
either way, you cut it out before it kills the human being.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Jives wrote: And tell children to kill themselves, and do drugs, and randomly stab people, and be violent. Don't downplay it, you are defending these things.
What are part of "They are characters." are you not picking up Hoss? Anthony Hopkins isn't Hannibal Lector. Is Anthony Hopkins greedy, selfish, insidious man for taking the part, 3 times, of a cannibal serial killer? He made a boat load of money for that. Joe Bruce ISN'T Violent J. Think of each song like you would a movie, some are horror, some are comedy, and some are drama.
Jives wrote: funny thing about that. The kids were talking about an "R" rated movie that came out the other day. i asked them how they saw it, since none of them are even close to 17, they said the ratings system is a joke and they can get their hands on anything they want out there. Be realistic, there's no way to keep this sinister stuf out of their hands short of banning this obscenity. And that's what it is...Obscene!
Exactly how is that the fault of musicians or performers? Also, responsible parents wouldn't rely on a "ratings system" in the first place. How about doing something totally crazy like, I don't know, spending time with your kids? CRAZY idea isn't it?
Jives wrote: Hypocrite. But it's OK for other people's children is that it? Your complacency and apathy is a big part of the problem, sir.
Well, if I had to chose between being a hypocrite or an idiot, I'd be up all night. Neither sounds very appealing. I re-read my post and I didn't say ICP was ok for ANYONE's kids, but it's also not my place to tell parents how to raise their kids. If it were, we wouldn't have any republicans or St. louis Cardinal fans.
You seriously think child molesting is funny? Murder is funny? Profanity is funny? Drug abuse is funny? You think exposing young childen to this vile trash is funny? Yet you say you wouldn't expose your own children to this. i say again, You are a hypocrite of the worst kind.
The song Terrible isn't about molestation, murder, or profanity. No, it's not funny, and it's not suppose to be. The song is about the media, and society. The song is telling you that we frequently hear things that, in the grand scheme of things, wouldn't be considered very tragic or dramatic.
One of the lines is.. "Bombs are blowing up; cops are corrupt, but all you care about is who the president F***ED!"
I think that's a powerful line, because I was feeling the exact same way when Ken Starr was on his 40 million dollar rampage.
Also,
"Rapper dies of AIDS and they hardly mention; white guy blows his face off and becomes a legend."
That was about Kurt Kobain and a rapper who died of AIDS named EAZY E of NWA fame. The contrast in the news stories was rather surprising.
The point is there is meaning behind some of their lyrics, but I'm not going to lie and say they aren't entertainers first. But I do see some of their stuff as eye opening. It isn't ok for kids just as Red Dragon isn't ok for kids.
Jives wrote: and you are defending them.
I defend any form of artistic expression. And, in my opinion, the "kid" card is almost as played out as the "race" card. I have a dream, it's not a big dream, it's a little dream, I dream that I will still be alive when society stops blaming, music, movies, and whatever else, for the faliures of parents.
What are part of "They are characters." are you not picking up Hoss? Anthony Hopkins isn't Hannibal Lector. Is Anthony Hopkins greedy, selfish, insidious man for taking the part, 3 times, of a cannibal serial killer? He made a boat load of money for that. Joe Bruce ISN'T Violent J. Think of each song like you would a movie, some are horror, some are comedy, and some are drama.
Jives wrote: funny thing about that. The kids were talking about an "R" rated movie that came out the other day. i asked them how they saw it, since none of them are even close to 17, they said the ratings system is a joke and they can get their hands on anything they want out there. Be realistic, there's no way to keep this sinister stuf out of their hands short of banning this obscenity. And that's what it is...Obscene!
Exactly how is that the fault of musicians or performers? Also, responsible parents wouldn't rely on a "ratings system" in the first place. How about doing something totally crazy like, I don't know, spending time with your kids? CRAZY idea isn't it?
Jives wrote: Hypocrite. But it's OK for other people's children is that it? Your complacency and apathy is a big part of the problem, sir.
Well, if I had to chose between being a hypocrite or an idiot, I'd be up all night. Neither sounds very appealing. I re-read my post and I didn't say ICP was ok for ANYONE's kids, but it's also not my place to tell parents how to raise their kids. If it were, we wouldn't have any republicans or St. louis Cardinal fans.
You seriously think child molesting is funny? Murder is funny? Profanity is funny? Drug abuse is funny? You think exposing young childen to this vile trash is funny? Yet you say you wouldn't expose your own children to this. i say again, You are a hypocrite of the worst kind.
The song Terrible isn't about molestation, murder, or profanity. No, it's not funny, and it's not suppose to be. The song is about the media, and society. The song is telling you that we frequently hear things that, in the grand scheme of things, wouldn't be considered very tragic or dramatic.
One of the lines is.. "Bombs are blowing up; cops are corrupt, but all you care about is who the president F***ED!"
I think that's a powerful line, because I was feeling the exact same way when Ken Starr was on his 40 million dollar rampage.
Also,
"Rapper dies of AIDS and they hardly mention; white guy blows his face off and becomes a legend."
That was about Kurt Kobain and a rapper who died of AIDS named EAZY E of NWA fame. The contrast in the news stories was rather surprising.
The point is there is meaning behind some of their lyrics, but I'm not going to lie and say they aren't entertainers first. But I do see some of their stuff as eye opening. It isn't ok for kids just as Red Dragon isn't ok for kids.
Jives wrote: and you are defending them.
I defend any form of artistic expression. And, in my opinion, the "kid" card is almost as played out as the "race" card. I have a dream, it's not a big dream, it's a little dream, I dream that I will still be alive when society stops blaming, music, movies, and whatever else, for the faliures of parents.
I'm against picketing. But, I don't know how to show it. - Mitch Hedberg
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Are YOU down with the Clown?
next12win wrote: What are part of "They are characters." are you not picking up Hoss?
Oh , I get it alright. You think it's innocent and nondestructive to have children view "characters" such as these. I don't, and I know more about it tthan you do. I care what children see in their formative years, you don't.
Is Anthony Hopkins greedy, selfish, insidious man for taking the part, 3 times, of a cannibal serial killer?
Yes. Now you're getting it, this stuff is bad for everyone.
Exactly how is that the fault of musicians or performers?
If I yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater and someone gets trampled, isn't that my fault? Cause and effect. Without these negative influences we wouldn't have the damage. You can scream "freedom of speech" or "artistic expression" all you want, but your right to say that ends where my right to life and health end.
How about doing something totally crazy like, I don't know, spending time with your kids? CRAZY idea isn't it?
Thanks, that's my idea all right. Family Values instead of negative murder-music. See? We can agree on something! :wah:
Well, if I had to chose between being a hypocrite or an idiot, I'd be up all night.
Yes, your confusion is deep, it's true.
I didn't say ICP was ok for ANYONE's kids,
Well thank you! You just made my argument. I rest my case, and thank you for agreeing totally with me.
but it's also not my place to tell parents how to raise their kids.
But it is your place to try to make your society a better place for everyone. The last people who said it wasn't their place to tell other people what to do were the Germans. By the time they found out it was their business to stand up for what's right, six million people were dead. Interestingly, the killer was someone who advocated violence, just as this band does. Adolf Hitler. The cult-parallels between the Fascist Party and this band are remarkable. Iconism, a call to violence, it's all here.
The song is telling you that we frequently hear things that, in the grand scheme of things, wouldn't be considered very tragic or dramatic.
Thereby desensitizing all who listen to it to the horror of these acts. Belittling murder isn't responsible, but then, there's absolutely nothing responsible about this band.
One of the lines is.. "Bombs are blowing up; cops are corrupt, but all you care about is who the president F***ED!"
Yeah, that's what I'd like my little grand-daughter to hear. Very uplifting.
I think that's a powerful line, because I was feeling the exact same way when Ken Starr was on his 40 million dollar rampage.
Again, you miss the point, you are an adult that can process this trash. You have reams more experience, and a comparable lifetime more of education and judgement. Children do not.
"Rapper dies of AIDS and they hardly mention; white guy blows his face off and becomes a legend."
That was about Kurt Kobain and a rapper who died of AIDS named EAZY E of NWA fame. The contrast in the news stories was rather surprising.
Ok, Why is this good for children again?
It isn't ok for kids just as Red Dragon isn't ok for kids.
That's the point of this whole thread. You are contradicting yourself pretty much continuously. first you say, "It's all right." then you say, "Not for my kids" Then you defend the lyrics, then you say, "It's not for kids."
Over half of my school, ages 14 to 15 listen to this band. Children are hero-worshipping this evil band, don't you get it? And it's because people like you are ambivalent to it and keep sending the message that "It isn't so bad."
Well here's my message..."It is Bad. Very Bad."
And, in my opinion, the "kid" card is almost as played out as the "race" card.
An anti-child statement. So....you hate children. Figures.
I have a dream, it's not a big dream, it's a little dream, I dream that I will still be alive when society stops blaming, music, movies, and whatever else, for the faliures of parents.
Have you ever thought that it might make the parents job easier if whenever they tried to teach a lesson or a value, bands such as this one weren't screaming the opposite message in the child's ear all day long?
Oh , I get it alright. You think it's innocent and nondestructive to have children view "characters" such as these. I don't, and I know more about it tthan you do. I care what children see in their formative years, you don't.
Is Anthony Hopkins greedy, selfish, insidious man for taking the part, 3 times, of a cannibal serial killer?
Yes. Now you're getting it, this stuff is bad for everyone.
Exactly how is that the fault of musicians or performers?
If I yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater and someone gets trampled, isn't that my fault? Cause and effect. Without these negative influences we wouldn't have the damage. You can scream "freedom of speech" or "artistic expression" all you want, but your right to say that ends where my right to life and health end.
How about doing something totally crazy like, I don't know, spending time with your kids? CRAZY idea isn't it?
Thanks, that's my idea all right. Family Values instead of negative murder-music. See? We can agree on something! :wah:
Well, if I had to chose between being a hypocrite or an idiot, I'd be up all night.
Yes, your confusion is deep, it's true.
I didn't say ICP was ok for ANYONE's kids,
Well thank you! You just made my argument. I rest my case, and thank you for agreeing totally with me.
but it's also not my place to tell parents how to raise their kids.
But it is your place to try to make your society a better place for everyone. The last people who said it wasn't their place to tell other people what to do were the Germans. By the time they found out it was their business to stand up for what's right, six million people were dead. Interestingly, the killer was someone who advocated violence, just as this band does. Adolf Hitler. The cult-parallels between the Fascist Party and this band are remarkable. Iconism, a call to violence, it's all here.
The song is telling you that we frequently hear things that, in the grand scheme of things, wouldn't be considered very tragic or dramatic.
Thereby desensitizing all who listen to it to the horror of these acts. Belittling murder isn't responsible, but then, there's absolutely nothing responsible about this band.
One of the lines is.. "Bombs are blowing up; cops are corrupt, but all you care about is who the president F***ED!"
Yeah, that's what I'd like my little grand-daughter to hear. Very uplifting.
I think that's a powerful line, because I was feeling the exact same way when Ken Starr was on his 40 million dollar rampage.
Again, you miss the point, you are an adult that can process this trash. You have reams more experience, and a comparable lifetime more of education and judgement. Children do not.
"Rapper dies of AIDS and they hardly mention; white guy blows his face off and becomes a legend."
That was about Kurt Kobain and a rapper who died of AIDS named EAZY E of NWA fame. The contrast in the news stories was rather surprising.
Ok, Why is this good for children again?
It isn't ok for kids just as Red Dragon isn't ok for kids.
That's the point of this whole thread. You are contradicting yourself pretty much continuously. first you say, "It's all right." then you say, "Not for my kids" Then you defend the lyrics, then you say, "It's not for kids."
Over half of my school, ages 14 to 15 listen to this band. Children are hero-worshipping this evil band, don't you get it? And it's because people like you are ambivalent to it and keep sending the message that "It isn't so bad."
Well here's my message..."It is Bad. Very Bad."
And, in my opinion, the "kid" card is almost as played out as the "race" card.
An anti-child statement. So....you hate children. Figures.
I have a dream, it's not a big dream, it's a little dream, I dream that I will still be alive when society stops blaming, music, movies, and whatever else, for the faliures of parents.
Have you ever thought that it might make the parents job easier if whenever they tried to teach a lesson or a value, bands such as this one weren't screaming the opposite message in the child's ear all day long?
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Jives wrote: Oh , I get it alright. You think it's innocent and nondestructive to have children view "characters" such as these. I don't, and I know more about it tthan you do. I care what children see in their formative years, you don't.
Easy fix, G. Gordon. Don't let your kids listen to it.
Jives wrote: Yes. Now you're getting it, this stuff is bad for everyone.
I disagree. I happen to enjoy it. And I think I'm a pretty good darn credit to society!
Jives wrote: If I yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater and someone gets trampled, isn't that my fault?
And the AWARD FOR WORST COMPARISON ANALOGY OF 2005 GOES To...... (crowd applause).
Jives wrote: Thanks, that's my idea all right. Family Values instead of negative murder-music. See? We can agree on something! :wah:
Yeah! Now if we could just agree on a society in which parental accountability exists.
Jives wrote: Yes, your confusion is deep, it's true.
Hello Mr. POT!
Jives wrote: But it is your place to try to make your society a better place for everyone. The last people who said it wasn't their place to tell other people what to do were the Germans. By the time they found out it was their business to stand up for what's right, six million people were dead. Interestingly, the killer was someone who advocated violence, just as this band does. Adolf Hitler. The cult-parallels between the Fascist Party and this band are remarkable. Iconism, a call to violence, it's all here.
Wow! We're still talking about a rap group right? Comparing these guys to someone who killed millions of people is not only wrong, it's a bit crazy. There is a psychiatrist here in the same building where I work. I'd be happy to get you his number.
Jives wrote: You are contradicting yourself pretty much continuously. first you say, "It's all right." then you say, "Not for my kids" Then you defend the lyrics, then you say, "It's not for kids."
Not for my kids and "It's not for kids" isn't a contradiction there teach. In fact, those statements are relatively synonymous. There is nothing contradictory about my statements, believe it or not, something can be enjoyable, and not suitable for kids at the same time.
Jives wrote: Yeah, that's what I'd like my little grand-daughter to hear. Very uplifting.
News FALSH nana! This world revolves around the sun, not around kids. We're going in circles here.
ICP makes music.
It's not for everyone.
You don't want your kids to listen to it? Don't buy the CDs for them.
You don't want them listening at school? Home school them.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Easy fix, G. Gordon. Don't let your kids listen to it.
Jives wrote: Yes. Now you're getting it, this stuff is bad for everyone.
I disagree. I happen to enjoy it. And I think I'm a pretty good darn credit to society!
Jives wrote: If I yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater and someone gets trampled, isn't that my fault?
And the AWARD FOR WORST COMPARISON ANALOGY OF 2005 GOES To...... (crowd applause).
Jives wrote: Thanks, that's my idea all right. Family Values instead of negative murder-music. See? We can agree on something! :wah:
Yeah! Now if we could just agree on a society in which parental accountability exists.
Jives wrote: Yes, your confusion is deep, it's true.
Hello Mr. POT!
Jives wrote: But it is your place to try to make your society a better place for everyone. The last people who said it wasn't their place to tell other people what to do were the Germans. By the time they found out it was their business to stand up for what's right, six million people were dead. Interestingly, the killer was someone who advocated violence, just as this band does. Adolf Hitler. The cult-parallels between the Fascist Party and this band are remarkable. Iconism, a call to violence, it's all here.
Wow! We're still talking about a rap group right? Comparing these guys to someone who killed millions of people is not only wrong, it's a bit crazy. There is a psychiatrist here in the same building where I work. I'd be happy to get you his number.
Jives wrote: You are contradicting yourself pretty much continuously. first you say, "It's all right." then you say, "Not for my kids" Then you defend the lyrics, then you say, "It's not for kids."
Not for my kids and "It's not for kids" isn't a contradiction there teach. In fact, those statements are relatively synonymous. There is nothing contradictory about my statements, believe it or not, something can be enjoyable, and not suitable for kids at the same time.
Jives wrote: Yeah, that's what I'd like my little grand-daughter to hear. Very uplifting.
News FALSH nana! This world revolves around the sun, not around kids. We're going in circles here.
ICP makes music.
It's not for everyone.
You don't want your kids to listen to it? Don't buy the CDs for them.
You don't want them listening at school? Home school them.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
I'm against picketing. But, I don't know how to show it. - Mitch Hedberg
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Jives wrote: I yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater and someone gets trampled
...your right to...life and health end.
...the Fascist Party and this band are remarkable.
...all who listen to it...murder...my little grand-daughter.
Again, you miss the point, you are...trash.
Over half of my school, ages 14 to 15...are...evil
Well here's my message..."It is Bad. Very Bad."
...hate children.
Look at all these horrible things Jives just said in his last post! Wow, you are so horrible! You're warping kids' minds and making them do bad things by behaving that way!
:-5
YOU TOOK "TERRIBLE," A SONG WHICH I'VE ALREADY POSTED IN NEARLY IT'S ENTIRETY AND DESCRIBED IN GREAT DETAIL, AND SPLIT IT ALL UP LIKE I JUST DID TO YOUR POST!
In other words, you're dead wrong about it. Go back a few pages and you'll find out what Terrible is all about. I stand behind the lyrics of that song completely, because we, as a nation, are too obessed with freakin' Paula Abdul and that lame-@$$ game show to realize that over 1600 Americans have been killed and over 100,000 Iraqis have been murdered at the request of our own terrorist president. You want to talk about a bad influence? This guy isn't an entertainer, he's a WORLD LEADER... who lies and manipulates to get his way, misleads those who are under his leadership, destroys families by invading sovereign nations on false pretenses, ruins the economy sending out "tax rebate checks" to buy people off after using his brother and other Republicans to steal the presidential election from the people. Where's all that surplus now? In Humvees and oil rigs.
You're a certified expert? Well so am I... I've attended six ICP shows and met well over 200 Juggalos that I know very well. I'd say the violent crime rate among them is the same, if not less, than your typical teen cross-section. They're anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-social class discrimination, they hate thieves, liars, and people who hurt others. They're probably guilty of speeding and underage drinking, but not at the same time. I'd say there's a higher percentage of marijuana use, which you'll no doubt use to prove your point, but nothing harder. No coke, no heroin... dude, he was DISSING what happened with Kurt Cobain and the heroin. He was dissing the lack of media coverage of atrocities because the media was focused on celebrity "scandals." He wasn't glorifying or promoting or condoning... HE WAS RAILING AGAINST THOSE THINGS!
Don't mislead if you're going to be a part of this topic. Read the whole thing, and post the truth. If you simply post the truth, it'll make this alot more productive... as witnessed by your chopped up "Terrible" lyrics and my chopped up quotes from you.
...your right to...life and health end.
...the Fascist Party and this band are remarkable.
...all who listen to it...murder...my little grand-daughter.
Again, you miss the point, you are...trash.
Over half of my school, ages 14 to 15...are...evil
Well here's my message..."It is Bad. Very Bad."
...hate children.
Look at all these horrible things Jives just said in his last post! Wow, you are so horrible! You're warping kids' minds and making them do bad things by behaving that way!
:-5
YOU TOOK "TERRIBLE," A SONG WHICH I'VE ALREADY POSTED IN NEARLY IT'S ENTIRETY AND DESCRIBED IN GREAT DETAIL, AND SPLIT IT ALL UP LIKE I JUST DID TO YOUR POST!
In other words, you're dead wrong about it. Go back a few pages and you'll find out what Terrible is all about. I stand behind the lyrics of that song completely, because we, as a nation, are too obessed with freakin' Paula Abdul and that lame-@$$ game show to realize that over 1600 Americans have been killed and over 100,000 Iraqis have been murdered at the request of our own terrorist president. You want to talk about a bad influence? This guy isn't an entertainer, he's a WORLD LEADER... who lies and manipulates to get his way, misleads those who are under his leadership, destroys families by invading sovereign nations on false pretenses, ruins the economy sending out "tax rebate checks" to buy people off after using his brother and other Republicans to steal the presidential election from the people. Where's all that surplus now? In Humvees and oil rigs.
You're a certified expert? Well so am I... I've attended six ICP shows and met well over 200 Juggalos that I know very well. I'd say the violent crime rate among them is the same, if not less, than your typical teen cross-section. They're anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-social class discrimination, they hate thieves, liars, and people who hurt others. They're probably guilty of speeding and underage drinking, but not at the same time. I'd say there's a higher percentage of marijuana use, which you'll no doubt use to prove your point, but nothing harder. No coke, no heroin... dude, he was DISSING what happened with Kurt Cobain and the heroin. He was dissing the lack of media coverage of atrocities because the media was focused on celebrity "scandals." He wasn't glorifying or promoting or condoning... HE WAS RAILING AGAINST THOSE THINGS!
Don't mislead if you're going to be a part of this topic. Read the whole thing, and post the truth. If you simply post the truth, it'll make this alot more productive... as witnessed by your chopped up "Terrible" lyrics and my chopped up quotes from you.
Are YOU down with the Clown?
TxJuggalo wrote: What's up? First off I'd like to say that to all those backin me up Thanks Juggalos or not your all badass.
Nice vocabulary. You're obviously learning something from your band.
Now onto other buisness, Jives...Jives...Jives...What the F**k is your deal, I mean s**t Ya their badass, but if you don't like 'em then don't F**kin listen to 'em.
lol. Well of course I don't listen to them, I love life.
And stop preachin that their bad.
Didn't you mean "they're" as in "They are"? Is your lack of education a result of worshipping this band, or all Juggalos illiterate?
And Why? Someone has to protect the young fromchild exploiters. That's the whole reason I think they're bad, children aren't old enough to make those judgements for themselves. And ICP knows that and uses it. Why do you think we call them minors?
Who put you in charge of deciding whats decent and whats not'
My conscience and a sense of decency given to me by my very decent parents. Which, I might add, would not approve of this band either. Do your parents approve of murder, rape and violence? If they don't, how do you feel about disrespecting them? If they do, I guess I can see why you turned out like you are.
if I want your opinion I'll come and ask you.
Which is exactly what you did when you started this thread. Duh.
Anyway, now that I got that out of my system, has anyone heard "little preacher killas" off of "Hells Pit"?
"i walked into the sermon strapped with an iron crowbar,
i beat a nun into a bloody stew and threw her in the trunk of my car.
how the f**k? she got fake t****s and a p***y ring... bulls***t!
she s*****d the preachers d***k in the pullpit, i know the goings on.
i witness while pushin my mop, and blood gushin non-stop while my hatchet go chop.
i aint no f*****n holy roller, im outta contol-er, face painted f*****n preacher killas gone off the yola"
--Shaggy2Dope
You are a sick and twisted person if you think this kind of heinous trash is good for kids. Let's see, the song you advocate (Oh, sorry. I forgot you're only semi-literate. Advocate...that means you're for it.) talks about beating up Nuns with a crowbar, killing Ministers, and is against God and Religion.
Wonderful. You and your friends are what's wrong with our society. Whether you are the cause or a victim, I'm not sure. But you are a cancer cell on the heart of America and your band is a bloated leaking tumor.
You say "Let's all die together."
I say "Save the body and cut it out."
Anyways I gotta go PEACE OUT! :yh_peace
"Peace"? Don't you feel funny saying "peace" to people, and then telling them to listen to a song that tells them to kill Pastors?
It's called hypocrisy, I'll wait here while yo go look it up. Oh, and don't try a dictionary, that's too hard for you. Just "google" it.
Nice vocabulary. You're obviously learning something from your band.
Now onto other buisness, Jives...Jives...Jives...What the F**k is your deal, I mean s**t Ya their badass, but if you don't like 'em then don't F**kin listen to 'em.
lol. Well of course I don't listen to them, I love life.
And stop preachin that their bad.
Didn't you mean "they're" as in "They are"? Is your lack of education a result of worshipping this band, or all Juggalos illiterate?
And Why? Someone has to protect the young fromchild exploiters. That's the whole reason I think they're bad, children aren't old enough to make those judgements for themselves. And ICP knows that and uses it. Why do you think we call them minors?
Who put you in charge of deciding whats decent and whats not'
My conscience and a sense of decency given to me by my very decent parents. Which, I might add, would not approve of this band either. Do your parents approve of murder, rape and violence? If they don't, how do you feel about disrespecting them? If they do, I guess I can see why you turned out like you are.
if I want your opinion I'll come and ask you.
Which is exactly what you did when you started this thread. Duh.
Anyway, now that I got that out of my system, has anyone heard "little preacher killas" off of "Hells Pit"?
"i walked into the sermon strapped with an iron crowbar,
i beat a nun into a bloody stew and threw her in the trunk of my car.
how the f**k? she got fake t****s and a p***y ring... bulls***t!
she s*****d the preachers d***k in the pullpit, i know the goings on.
i witness while pushin my mop, and blood gushin non-stop while my hatchet go chop.
i aint no f*****n holy roller, im outta contol-er, face painted f*****n preacher killas gone off the yola"
--Shaggy2Dope
You are a sick and twisted person if you think this kind of heinous trash is good for kids. Let's see, the song you advocate (Oh, sorry. I forgot you're only semi-literate. Advocate...that means you're for it.) talks about beating up Nuns with a crowbar, killing Ministers, and is against God and Religion.
Wonderful. You and your friends are what's wrong with our society. Whether you are the cause or a victim, I'm not sure. But you are a cancer cell on the heart of America and your band is a bloated leaking tumor.
You say "Let's all die together."
I say "Save the body and cut it out."
Anyways I gotta go PEACE OUT! :yh_peace
"Peace"? Don't you feel funny saying "peace" to people, and then telling them to listen to a song that tells them to kill Pastors?
It's called hypocrisy, I'll wait here while yo go look it up. Oh, and don't try a dictionary, that's too hard for you. Just "google" it.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: ... fromchild...
There's suppose to be a space between those two words. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Message Board Grammar Police
There's suppose to be a space between those two words. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Message Board Grammar Police
I'm against picketing. But, I don't know how to show it. - Mitch Hedberg
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
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next12win wrote: There's suppose to be a space between those two words. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Message Board Grammar Policethat should be "supposeD to be a space". sincerely, the real police.
Sincerely,
Message Board Grammar Policethat should be "supposeD to be a space". sincerely, the real police.
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lady cop wrote: that....
You didn't capitalize the the first letter of your sentence. I guess it's back to the academy? :driving:
What's up now?
Sincerely,
MBGP
You didn't capitalize the the first letter of your sentence. I guess it's back to the academy? :driving:
What's up now?
Sincerely,
MBGP
I'm against picketing. But, I don't know how to show it. - Mitch Hedberg
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Yeah....well....Your driver isn't wearing a seatbelt!! :yh_rotfl
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
~Darrel Worley~
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
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next12win wrote: You didn't capitalize the the first letter of your sentence. I guess it's back to the academy? :driving:
What's up now?
Sincerely,
MBGPit's rather my trademark that i never capitalize, unless i feel compelled to out of respect for someone's name. but then again, you would not have known that, having only been here 10 days.. .i shall severely chastise Jives for creating a typo out of the 10,000 words he's written in this thread alone and i am sure he will be grateful for being made cognizant of his transgression. :wah:
What's up now?
Sincerely,
MBGPit's rather my trademark that i never capitalize, unless i feel compelled to out of respect for someone's name. but then again, you would not have known that, having only been here 10 days.. .i shall severely chastise Jives for creating a typo out of the 10,000 words he's written in this thread alone and i am sure he will be grateful for being made cognizant of his transgression. :wah:
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Jives wrote:
lol. Well of course I don't listen to them, I love life.
As do I, and many fans of this band. We're not angry or suicidal, but obviously you're going to have a broad range of people in a fan base of a particular band, especially when dealing with something targeted to teens and twenties, who have very varied emotional states from one to the next. This is an unfair generalization, and you know it.
Didn't you mean "they're" as in "They are"? Is your lack of education a result of worshipping this band, or all Juggalos illiterate?
Hmm... I find it funny how you totally ignored my post... no reply, no quotes, no reference to it at all. Could that be because it doesn't support your points like TxJuggalo does? Are you following in the footsteps of our so-called president and only addressing people and questions which support your case and simply turning a blind eye to any real, logical opposition? If you reply to this post, are you going to address all the things I pointed out in my last one, or just tell me that I'm trashing you and it's because I "worship(ped)" that band?
And Why? Someone has to protect the young from child exploiters.
Kids in bikinis may strike you as child exploitation, as well, but that is THE PARENTS THEMSELVES. (For the record, since I'm an established fan of free speech here, I'd like to mention that I'm not attacking these sites, and I support their right to exist so long as they don't cross the line of either nudity or sexually suggestive content... you can see bikinis at the beach, so these sites are really nothing you can't already find in public.) So who do you blame for all of the 'ills' of society? Vulgar music? When I was 14, I didn't have any money because my parents did not give me allowance and did not let me leave the house for anything but visiting relatives and mowing the yard. I couldn't buy the cd. So, I listened at friends' houses and such, til I turned 16 and started driving and working, then picked up the cd's for myself and listened in my car. Parents still can wield alot of control over what their kids see and do and listen to.
My conscience and a sense of decency given to me by my very decent parents. Which, I might add, would not approve of this band either. Do your parents approve of murder, rape and violence? If they don't, how do you feel about disrespecting them? If they do, I guess I can see why you turned out like you are.
I have conscience and a sense of decency, I don't use foul language around kids or elders, hardly use it even at home with just friends. I'm in a committed relationship about to hit two years and I don't smoke, very rarely drink. I don't use drugs. I don't approve of murder, rape, or violence. The fictional characters Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope, nor the actors behind the paint, have killed nobody. They've raped nobody. As a matter of fact, a large part of their music is against redneck men who beat their wives and kids, and the anti-racist message about how we used to "beat on and murder" slaves that were building this country hundreds of years ago. The lyrics are a caricature, and exaggeration with fifteen exclamation points. They're extremely over-the-top for many reasons, one of which is because when you're that cartoon-like and exaggerative, nobody should take the psycho killer with a hatchet gimmick seriously.
Wonderful. You and your friends are what's wrong with our society. Whether you are the cause or a victim, I'm not sure. But you are a cancer cell on the heart of America and your band is a bloated leaking tumor.
Wait til we elect a leader who doesn't support state-sponsored terrorism so we can bring all our troops back home, wait til huge corporations stop driving little corner stores out of business and getting huge tax breaks in the process, wait til Wal-Mart stops driving down the average wage in communities where it operates, wait til Big Business stops fudging their accounting so executives can live like kings while blue-collar America suffers, wait til all the racist, sexist, redneck drunks and wannabe ghetto thugs from the inner city with stolen guns all stop beating and shooting and raping and doing coke and heroin...
Then you can blame the ills of society on a little rock band outta Detroit that nobody outside the midwest really even knew until a few years ago.
lol. Well of course I don't listen to them, I love life.
As do I, and many fans of this band. We're not angry or suicidal, but obviously you're going to have a broad range of people in a fan base of a particular band, especially when dealing with something targeted to teens and twenties, who have very varied emotional states from one to the next. This is an unfair generalization, and you know it.
Didn't you mean "they're" as in "They are"? Is your lack of education a result of worshipping this band, or all Juggalos illiterate?
Hmm... I find it funny how you totally ignored my post... no reply, no quotes, no reference to it at all. Could that be because it doesn't support your points like TxJuggalo does? Are you following in the footsteps of our so-called president and only addressing people and questions which support your case and simply turning a blind eye to any real, logical opposition? If you reply to this post, are you going to address all the things I pointed out in my last one, or just tell me that I'm trashing you and it's because I "worship(ped)" that band?
And Why? Someone has to protect the young from child exploiters.
Kids in bikinis may strike you as child exploitation, as well, but that is THE PARENTS THEMSELVES. (For the record, since I'm an established fan of free speech here, I'd like to mention that I'm not attacking these sites, and I support their right to exist so long as they don't cross the line of either nudity or sexually suggestive content... you can see bikinis at the beach, so these sites are really nothing you can't already find in public.) So who do you blame for all of the 'ills' of society? Vulgar music? When I was 14, I didn't have any money because my parents did not give me allowance and did not let me leave the house for anything but visiting relatives and mowing the yard. I couldn't buy the cd. So, I listened at friends' houses and such, til I turned 16 and started driving and working, then picked up the cd's for myself and listened in my car. Parents still can wield alot of control over what their kids see and do and listen to.
My conscience and a sense of decency given to me by my very decent parents. Which, I might add, would not approve of this band either. Do your parents approve of murder, rape and violence? If they don't, how do you feel about disrespecting them? If they do, I guess I can see why you turned out like you are.
I have conscience and a sense of decency, I don't use foul language around kids or elders, hardly use it even at home with just friends. I'm in a committed relationship about to hit two years and I don't smoke, very rarely drink. I don't use drugs. I don't approve of murder, rape, or violence. The fictional characters Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope, nor the actors behind the paint, have killed nobody. They've raped nobody. As a matter of fact, a large part of their music is against redneck men who beat their wives and kids, and the anti-racist message about how we used to "beat on and murder" slaves that were building this country hundreds of years ago. The lyrics are a caricature, and exaggeration with fifteen exclamation points. They're extremely over-the-top for many reasons, one of which is because when you're that cartoon-like and exaggerative, nobody should take the psycho killer with a hatchet gimmick seriously.
Wonderful. You and your friends are what's wrong with our society. Whether you are the cause or a victim, I'm not sure. But you are a cancer cell on the heart of America and your band is a bloated leaking tumor.
Wait til we elect a leader who doesn't support state-sponsored terrorism so we can bring all our troops back home, wait til huge corporations stop driving little corner stores out of business and getting huge tax breaks in the process, wait til Wal-Mart stops driving down the average wage in communities where it operates, wait til Big Business stops fudging their accounting so executives can live like kings while blue-collar America suffers, wait til all the racist, sexist, redneck drunks and wannabe ghetto thugs from the inner city with stolen guns all stop beating and shooting and raping and doing coke and heroin...
Then you can blame the ills of society on a little rock band outta Detroit that nobody outside the midwest really even knew until a few years ago.
Are YOU down with the Clown?
lady cop wrote: i shall severely chastise Jives for creating a typo out of the 10,000 words he's written in this thread alone and i am sure he will be grateful for being made cognizant of his transgression. :wah:
Sweetheart, I'm going to out on a limb here and assume, something I hate to do, that you didn't pick up the sarcasm in the post.
Read his post again, and see what our hero was doing throughout the entire thing. He was correcting grammar. Get it? So I figured it was pretty funny that he made a grammatical error, while correcting grammar, assuming of course that anyone who corrects grammar on an internet message board is of sound mind and body in the first place.
But, I have to assume he is. We are talking about someone who wrote with the Gin Blossoms here. :guitarist
Sweetheart, I'm going to out on a limb here and assume, something I hate to do, that you didn't pick up the sarcasm in the post.
Read his post again, and see what our hero was doing throughout the entire thing. He was correcting grammar. Get it? So I figured it was pretty funny that he made a grammatical error, while correcting grammar, assuming of course that anyone who corrects grammar on an internet message board is of sound mind and body in the first place.
But, I have to assume he is. We are talking about someone who wrote with the Gin Blossoms here. :guitarist
I'm against picketing. But, I don't know how to show it. - Mitch Hedberg
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Are YOU down with the Clown?
man, you can't put up a thread and only have people agree with you. how boring is that? and you cannot put up a thread and stipulate who you want to respond...it is an open forum. think about how boring this thread would have been if one person would have spoke up and said "hells yea...I'm a juggalo...they rule" (or whatever juggalos say). now, how lame would that have been?
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Pfft. I have severe RA, it's amazing I can type at all.
Let's clear this up, this isn't 'Bugs Bunny" we're talking about here. Look at the quote from ICP. It's positively disgusting. You say that they're "over the top" and "caricatures" and "cartoon characters".
Well, I've never seen a cartoon character spout this kind of vileness and violence. Kids are impressionable, and this can't, by any stretch of the imagination, be making a good impression. Negativity and senseless violence isn't good for children. It's bad, even dangerous. There has to be a line somewhere, we have laws against obscenity, don't we? Many of those laws are designed to protect children from obscenity. Well this is obscene too.
How about this? Make it illegal for anyone under 18 to attend an ICP concert or buy an ICP album, that way adults that can process this trash or are attracted to obscenity can still get their fix, while at the same time it'll be very hard for younger minds to be polluted by this fetid miasma.
And here's something else...
At some point, as a society, we have to draw the line and say, "No, that's not right and it's not good." We usually decide by a majority vote.
So take a look at the poll, almost 75% of the people that voted ether don't know who ICP is or don't like them. Good. That puts you and Tx in a 25% minority. Let's ban ICP from Forumgarden.
And Tx asked who gave me the right to decided what was right and what wasn't?
There's your answer....the people.
Let's clear this up, this isn't 'Bugs Bunny" we're talking about here. Look at the quote from ICP. It's positively disgusting. You say that they're "over the top" and "caricatures" and "cartoon characters".
Well, I've never seen a cartoon character spout this kind of vileness and violence. Kids are impressionable, and this can't, by any stretch of the imagination, be making a good impression. Negativity and senseless violence isn't good for children. It's bad, even dangerous. There has to be a line somewhere, we have laws against obscenity, don't we? Many of those laws are designed to protect children from obscenity. Well this is obscene too.
How about this? Make it illegal for anyone under 18 to attend an ICP concert or buy an ICP album, that way adults that can process this trash or are attracted to obscenity can still get their fix, while at the same time it'll be very hard for younger minds to be polluted by this fetid miasma.
And here's something else...
At some point, as a society, we have to draw the line and say, "No, that's not right and it's not good." We usually decide by a majority vote.
So take a look at the poll, almost 75% of the people that voted ether don't know who ICP is or don't like them. Good. That puts you and Tx in a 25% minority. Let's ban ICP from Forumgarden.
And Tx asked who gave me the right to decided what was right and what wasn't?
There's your answer....the people.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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hotsauce wrote: think about how boring this thread would have been if one person would have spoke up and said "hells yea...I'm a juggalo...they rule" (or whatever juggalos say). now, how lame would that have been?
ROFLMAO! Man! You crack me up, hotsauce! :yh_rotfl
ROFLMAO! Man! You crack me up, hotsauce! :yh_rotfl
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Jives wrote: And Tx asked who gave me the right to decided what was right and what wasn't?
There's your answer....the people.
I hereby announce that as a member of "the people" I'd like to exercise my right to make my own decisions as to what's right and what is not.
And, in a second motion, I'd like to add Rob Zombie, Kenny Chessney, and Johnny Rotton in the "not right" section of my list.
Thank you very much I've been beautiful.
There's your answer....the people.
I hereby announce that as a member of "the people" I'd like to exercise my right to make my own decisions as to what's right and what is not.
And, in a second motion, I'd like to add Rob Zombie, Kenny Chessney, and Johnny Rotton in the "not right" section of my list.
Thank you very much I've been beautiful.
I'm against picketing. But, I don't know how to show it. - Mitch Hedberg
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Are YOU down with the Clown?
Easy now Skittles, you know I think the world of you. But let's face it, I know more than you do, after all...I'm old, almost triple your lifespan. How many psychology classes have you taken?
Moreover, I'm in the business of life-building. How can you expect me not to get upset at something that I know for a fact destroys much of my hard work? I've seen kid after kid go down the drain. Strangely, most the ones that destroy their lives seem to listen to this kind of music.
Coincidence? I think not.
You'll notice that I don't say "all" the kids that listen to this are influenced negatively. You are far too smart to fall into this trap. Think about it, you were smarter and had better judgement than anyone at your table in night school if you'll recall.
But do you think that some of the others at that table will be as quick thinking and as decent as you?
Let me tell you a fact:
I had four kids this year that worshipped ICP. They wore the T-shirts, and even drove red cars with the giant "axe-weilding psychopath" sticker on them.
One had 85 absences and eventually dropped out of school. Two got pregnant, and dropped out of school. One is in jail for residential burglary, he won't finish the year either.
That's four for four of the Juggalos with ruined lives in a single year. I don't know about you, but I care about those kids and even though Tx and Next12 will tell you there's no connection, I know better.
One more thing, Skittles. Tx admits to being a drug addict. Now you have to ask yourself, would he have tried drugs without the negative influences in his life? Or would he have done drugs anyway?
I believe that he, himself, doesn't know the truth.....That he never would have become the way he is, semi-literate and a drug abuser, without this band and other negative influences in his life.
I'll say it again, Negativity doesn't make your life easier, it makes it harder and more complicated.
Moreover, I'm in the business of life-building. How can you expect me not to get upset at something that I know for a fact destroys much of my hard work? I've seen kid after kid go down the drain. Strangely, most the ones that destroy their lives seem to listen to this kind of music.
Coincidence? I think not.
You'll notice that I don't say "all" the kids that listen to this are influenced negatively. You are far too smart to fall into this trap. Think about it, you were smarter and had better judgement than anyone at your table in night school if you'll recall.
But do you think that some of the others at that table will be as quick thinking and as decent as you?
Let me tell you a fact:
I had four kids this year that worshipped ICP. They wore the T-shirts, and even drove red cars with the giant "axe-weilding psychopath" sticker on them.
One had 85 absences and eventually dropped out of school. Two got pregnant, and dropped out of school. One is in jail for residential burglary, he won't finish the year either.
That's four for four of the Juggalos with ruined lives in a single year. I don't know about you, but I care about those kids and even though Tx and Next12 will tell you there's no connection, I know better.
One more thing, Skittles. Tx admits to being a drug addict. Now you have to ask yourself, would he have tried drugs without the negative influences in his life? Or would he have done drugs anyway?
I believe that he, himself, doesn't know the truth.....That he never would have become the way he is, semi-literate and a drug abuser, without this band and other negative influences in his life.
I'll say it again, Negativity doesn't make your life easier, it makes it harder and more complicated.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Imagine the hell those parents went through when Elvis busted upon the entertainment scene. His pelvis swivel was thought to promote promecuity. (sorry I cain't spell)
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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skittles2004 wrote: And by the way you that's not how the song goes!
it isn't? lol
i thought it was when i read that!
did you make those lyrics up, jives?
it isn't? lol
i thought it was when i read that!
did you make those lyrics up, jives?
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Nope. I googled the exact song title and it's even signed by the artist. Sorry, but it's the real thing. And if you think it's not, Skittles, why not post the real song? I'm positive it will be the same thing.
And nice try Minks, but Elvis didn't tell children to kill themselves or randomly stab people on the street.
And nice try Minks, but Elvis didn't tell children to kill themselves or randomly stab people on the street.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: Nope. I googled the exact song title and it's even signed by the artist. Sorry, but it's the real thing. And if you think it's not, Skittles, why not post the real song? I'm positive it will be the same thing.But please do the same as Mr Jives & put the Asterisk in place of the swear words.
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Jives wrote: Nope. I googled the exact song title and it's even signed by the artist. Sorry, but it's the real thing. And if you think it's not, Skittles, why not post the real song? I'm positive it will be the same thing.
And nice try Minks, but Elvis didn't tell children to kill themselves or randomly stab people on the street.
I know Mr. Jives, I was just adding some lightness to this, I totally understand your point I have a teen and I have worked with em and see your side of it. There is shite music out there with utter garbage for lyrics. There is a ton on negative and nasty influences on todays kids. And yep entertainment is the easiest to bash.
And nice try Minks, but Elvis didn't tell children to kill themselves or randomly stab people on the street.
I know Mr. Jives, I was just adding some lightness to this, I totally understand your point I have a teen and I have worked with em and see your side of it. There is shite music out there with utter garbage for lyrics. There is a ton on negative and nasty influences on todays kids. And yep entertainment is the easiest to bash.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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Jives wrote: Nope. I googled the exact song title and it's even signed by the artist. Sorry, but it's the real thing. And if you think it's not, Skittles, why not post the real song? I'm positive it will be the same thing.
And nice try Minks, but Elvis didn't tell children to kill themselves or randomly stab people on the street.
i didn't think you made those up! maybe skittles never took the time to actually listen to the words? eh? were you surprised, skittles?
And nice try Minks, but Elvis didn't tell children to kill themselves or randomly stab people on the street.
i didn't think you made those up! maybe skittles never took the time to actually listen to the words? eh? were you surprised, skittles?
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Jives wrote: ICP is a rabid, nasty, depressing, violent, profane, death-oriented hate band. their emblem is a bloody clown carrying a meat cleaver. They exercise great influence over younger minds and are the most despicable example you could think of for your children. If you are a parent, be warned.
Whne the lead singer was asked what he thought of the fact that so many children emulated his profanity and hatred, he replied:
"So who gives a f***? I'm in it for the money and f*** everyone and everything else, I never said I was a f****** role model!"
Real sweetheart, eh?
Avoid at all costs.
Thanks for the clue Jives. Sounds like music not allowed in my house.
Whne the lead singer was asked what he thought of the fact that so many children emulated his profanity and hatred, he replied:
"So who gives a f***? I'm in it for the money and f*** everyone and everything else, I never said I was a f****** role model!"
Real sweetheart, eh?
Avoid at all costs.
Thanks for the clue Jives. Sounds like music not allowed in my house.
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
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This comes from a Mom who banned Marilyn Manson from the house and took the tape/CD player out of the car. No Eminem allowed either.
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
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Oh thank GOD for Moms like you Val! If enough of us put our foot down we can stop this assault on our kids. My kid came home with a Manson CD once too.
I broke it in half. He said, "I spent a lot of money on that."
I told him, "Yes, and that turned out to be a bad decision, didn't it? Sorry, but I love you and I'm not going to let you be exposed to that. You'll have to trust me to know what's best until you're old enough."
He's a father himself now, and he can't thank me enough for taking the time to be a real father to him, even if it meant that occasionally I had to be the bad guy. He understands what we're talking about in the thread very well now.
I broke it in half. He said, "I spent a lot of money on that."
I told him, "Yes, and that turned out to be a bad decision, didn't it? Sorry, but I love you and I'm not going to let you be exposed to that. You'll have to trust me to know what's best until you're old enough."
He's a father himself now, and he can't thank me enough for taking the time to be a real father to him, even if it meant that occasionally I had to be the bad guy. He understands what we're talking about in the thread very well now.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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best thing I ever heard about raising kids
"be their parent, not their best friend"
"be their parent, not their best friend"
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
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Want another Mom story? During her Manson phase she insisted on wearing MY black slip to school as a skirt - all the kids were doing it MOM. We argued and she went to school presentably dressed. Guess who picked her up - yes I got off work early just to see what she was wearing - and she was wearing the slip. I took the scissors to it as soon as we got home. There were backpack inspections after that day. Now I pose the question - when did she think I was born? It might have been at night but it wasn't last night!
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
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Jives wrote: How many psychology classes have you taken?
Alas... the measurement of intelligence. I've searched so long....
Thank you Jives!
Alas... the measurement of intelligence. I've searched so long....
Thank you Jives!
I'm against picketing. But, I don't know how to show it. - Mitch Hedberg
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
Winners forget they're in a race. They just love to run. -Simon Wilder
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I'll have to deliver my actual rebuttal to Jives tomorrow after a night of sleep, but thanks for the response... For tonight, I'd just like to point you all in this direction...
I do hope this link works...
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/ ... .0.12.1059
Not a vulgar article, but an articulate social commentary on the Columbine incident written by a performer you happen to be discussing...
I do hope this link works...
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/ ... .0.12.1059
Not a vulgar article, but an articulate social commentary on the Columbine incident written by a performer you happen to be discussing...
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Oh no, definitely not. The Marilyn Manson thing was way off on a tangent. It's meant for an entirely different conversation, but it came up and I was definitely not going to let Marilyn Manson be categorized next to ICP. Regardless of my musical tastes, my interpretation of their lyrics, and outfits worn by the performers, I can and will readily admit that ICP is a much less responsible band than Marilyn Manson as far as speaking out, being serious and delivering an impactful, insightful message in writing. It's something that I doubt we'll ever see out of ICP.
Marilyn Manson (another character, of course, but we'll use his stage name) is actually a VERY intelligent person, as has been lightly documented, yet the info is relatively easy to find on the net. Most want to focus on the urban legends about killing puppies and plastic surgeries, not to mention the whole "Paul from the Wonder Years" thing (which isn't true, btw). However, in reality, Marilyn Manson understands society and has plenty to contribute once you get past his satirical lyrics.
More to come... work beckons.
Marilyn Manson (another character, of course, but we'll use his stage name) is actually a VERY intelligent person, as has been lightly documented, yet the info is relatively easy to find on the net. Most want to focus on the urban legends about killing puppies and plastic surgeries, not to mention the whole "Paul from the Wonder Years" thing (which isn't true, btw). However, in reality, Marilyn Manson understands society and has plenty to contribute once you get past his satirical lyrics.
More to come... work beckons.
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I'm glad you weighed in Arnold, I respect your opinion.
I'll even go so far as to say I respect Marilyn's intelligence, at least he understands and believes in what he sells.
What's wrong with ICP is that they have finally gone beyond the line where society needs to say, "Stop!"
It's been building up for a while now, each band that came alond tried to play on the teenage depression thing, all while trying to outdo each other in social shock value. The Rolling Stones started it, The Who carried it on, bands like Alice Cooper and Ozzy Osborne stretched the limits.
But as the violence, and call to mayhem escalated, it began to get out of control.
It's at a point now, specifically with Insane Clown Posse, where it is no longer just a "innocent" teenage rant, or even a an anti-establishment statement.
No... advocating murder, rape, violence and drugs is across any line of decency you care to draw.
That's my point. Somewhere we have to, as a society, say "this far and no further".
We have definitely reached that point with this band.
I'll even go so far as to say I respect Marilyn's intelligence, at least he understands and believes in what he sells.
What's wrong with ICP is that they have finally gone beyond the line where society needs to say, "Stop!"
It's been building up for a while now, each band that came alond tried to play on the teenage depression thing, all while trying to outdo each other in social shock value. The Rolling Stones started it, The Who carried it on, bands like Alice Cooper and Ozzy Osborne stretched the limits.
But as the violence, and call to mayhem escalated, it began to get out of control.
It's at a point now, specifically with Insane Clown Posse, where it is no longer just a "innocent" teenage rant, or even a an anti-establishment statement.
No... advocating murder, rape, violence and drugs is across any line of decency you care to draw.
That's my point. Somewhere we have to, as a society, say "this far and no further".
We have definitely reached that point with this band.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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TxJuggalo wrote: Jives you keep calling me an illiterate, drug abuser, I'am not a drug abuser, Yes true I USED to do drugs
Soooo....Why did you stop? And be careful how you answer, because you know I'm going to use it to strengthen my argument against this band! LOL!
Doing drugs was a desicion I made on my own and was not influenced by there music or persona.
How can you be sure? All your thinking and decisions have been influenced at a subconscious level. You wouldn't even know it if you made a decision based on their influence. That's my point. Negative influences are subliminal. Your personality was partially defined by your outside influences, like ICP for example.
Are you really trying to tell me that you listened to a band tell you to do drugs all day, and then when you did use drugs, you think that had nothing to do with it?
Oh! Hahahahaha....sorry, I couldn't say that with a straight face! :wah:
As far as my illiteracy goes I've had dislexya for some years now and I'll be damned if I can help that,
Yes, I'm sure that your drug abuse had nothing to do with your mental development problems.
(extreme sarcasm) Dude, you fried your brain, and now you can't figure our why it doesn't work right?!!
as I said before some of us weren't blessed with your smarts. I can say in my defense that I have taken several IQ tests and the results were the same 168. I just find school boring and don't apply myself. PEACE OUT!
Nope, I'm not going for your excuses. I'm ADHD myself, and I come from the poorest of families. Yet, I managed to put myself through 11 years of college by working minimum wage night jobs, and eventually went on to become a fighter pilot instructor, a corporate manager, and a high school principal.
What's holding you back, especially with a genius level I.Q. is your attitude towards life...
and I'm pointing the finger straight at ICP and the other negative influences in your life for that problem. But it's not too late for you to turn away from the Dark Side! Come into the light, be nice, listen to positive music, watch fun and uplifting things, learn to enjoy living for itself...
You'll come around to my way of thinking!:D
Jives you keep calling me an illiterate, drug abuser, I'am not a drug abuser, Yes true I USED to do drugs Soooo....Why did you stop? And be careful how you answer, because you know I'm going to use it to strengthen my argument against this band! LOL!
Doing drugs was a desicion I made on my own and was not influenced by there music or persona.
How can you be sure? All your thinking and decisions have been influenced at a subconscious level. You wouldn't even know it if you made a decision based on their influence. That's my point. Negative influences are subliminal. Your personality was partially defined by your outside influences, like ICP for example.
Are you really trying to tell me that you listened to a band tell you to do drugs all day, and then when you did use drugs, you think that had nothing to do with it?
Oh! Hahahahaha....sorry, I couldn't say that with a straight face! :wah:
As far as my illiteracy goes I've had dislexya for some years now and I'll be damned if I can help that,
Yes, I'm sure that your drug abuse had nothing to do with your mental development problems.
(extreme sarcasm) Dude, you fried your brain, and now you can't figure our why it doesn't work right?!!
as I said before some of us weren't blessed with your smarts. I can say in my defense that I have taken several IQ tests and the results were the same 168. I just find school boring and don't apply myself. PEACE OUT!
Nope, I'm not going for your excuses. I'm ADHD myself, and I come from the poorest of families. Yet, I managed to put myself through 11 years of college by working minimum wage night jobs, and eventually went on to become a fighter pilot instructor, a corporate manager, and a high school principal.
What's holding you back, especially with a genius level I.Q. is your attitude towards life...
and I'm pointing the finger straight at ICP and the other negative influences in your life for that problem. But it's not too late for you to turn away from the Dark Side! Come into the light, be nice, listen to positive music, watch fun and uplifting things, learn to enjoy living for itself...
You'll come around to my way of thinking!:D
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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For the record, I really DO wish I had time to really go into detail and keep this going, because it's been one of the best threads I've ever contributed to on any board, any site. I'm currently working with AutoCad and working in retail electronics sales (hourly, not commission-based) making over $40K annually. No college degree, all self-taught. I've been promoted twice and given two raises in the past year in the retail job, and another promotion and raise within the next three months are quite possible. I'm just beginning my work with the engineering firm, so who knows where that will lead?
I'm Adult ADD and I done every drug out there in the early 90's as a young teen and gave up right around the time I first started listening to ICP due to a life-changing event that I'd rather not discuss. I'll just say that I went through a very hard time and it involved nobody but me, so I was very alone... I listened to ICP because it captured my emotion at the time, and it actually helped me beat the depression I'd fallen into by introducing me to a group of people that understood the problems and gave me strength to "fix" myself.
Not every story is the same, granted... but I've witnessed more of my type than that of TxJuggalo. Sorry, Tx, I'm not dissing you... I just need to get it out of my system that despite your hostility issues, most fans aren't like that.
For example, society would have you believe rap causes gang violence, but it's quite the opposite. Gang violence causes an emotion in people that leads them into creating rap based on life as they know it.
Ah, I don't even know if I'm really contributing anything to this anymore, I'm too tired...
I'm Adult ADD and I done every drug out there in the early 90's as a young teen and gave up right around the time I first started listening to ICP due to a life-changing event that I'd rather not discuss. I'll just say that I went through a very hard time and it involved nobody but me, so I was very alone... I listened to ICP because it captured my emotion at the time, and it actually helped me beat the depression I'd fallen into by introducing me to a group of people that understood the problems and gave me strength to "fix" myself.
Not every story is the same, granted... but I've witnessed more of my type than that of TxJuggalo. Sorry, Tx, I'm not dissing you... I just need to get it out of my system that despite your hostility issues, most fans aren't like that.
For example, society would have you believe rap causes gang violence, but it's quite the opposite. Gang violence causes an emotion in people that leads them into creating rap based on life as they know it.
Ah, I don't even know if I'm really contributing anything to this anymore, I'm too tired...