Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
-
Bored_Wombat
- Posts: 377
- Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:33 am
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
I think that it's very important that Justice be blind: That national/political/religious aspects be left at the doors of the courtroom.
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
Scrat;660827 wrote: Give me a break RG. Remember the guy who was caught with the Taliban? He dropped off the face of the earth, a stupid kid who went over there long before 9/11.
Rail roaded, hell why didn't we just draw and quarter him in Times Square as a primetime event?
Justice has to be blind.
That was Jihad Johnny, or Ratboy as the papers called him at the time. John Walker has been in solitary confinement, I think, for the last three years, and there's no sign of his circumstances changing. I don't state that as a cast iron fact, if anyone knows better do please correct me.
Rail roaded, hell why didn't we just draw and quarter him in Times Square as a primetime event?
Justice has to be blind.
That was Jihad Johnny, or Ratboy as the papers called him at the time. John Walker has been in solitary confinement, I think, for the last three years, and there's no sign of his circumstances changing. I don't state that as a cast iron fact, if anyone knows better do please correct me.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
-
RedGlitter
- Posts: 15777
- Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:51 am
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
Scrat;660827 wrote: Give me a break RG. Remember the guy who was caught with the Taliban? He dropped off the face of the earth, a stupid kid who went over there long before 9/11.
Rail roaded, hell why didn't we just draw and quarter him in Times Square as a primetime event?
Justice has to be blind.
How can justice do its job if it can't see what is right?
What's the point behind what I bolded??
I'm not seeing what you guys evidently are. I'm not seeing an overabundance of patriotism as much as I am seeing the upholding of what is right.
Rail roaded, hell why didn't we just draw and quarter him in Times Square as a primetime event?
Justice has to be blind.
How can justice do its job if it can't see what is right?
What's the point behind what I bolded??
I'm not seeing what you guys evidently are. I'm not seeing an overabundance of patriotism as much as I am seeing the upholding of what is right.
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
RedGlitter;661091 wrote: I'm not seeing what you guys evidently are. I'm not seeing an overabundance of patriotism as much as I am seeing the upholding of what is right.What reason was there - and I do mean legal reason but you can make it moral reason as well if you fancy - for convicting John Walker of anything? Scrat described him as railroaded, I concur. I don't think he broke any US law but he's serving a twenty year sentence. There's an injustice about that.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
-
RedGlitter
- Posts: 15777
- Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:51 am
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
spot;661115 wrote: What reason was there - and I do mean legal reason but you can make it moral reason as well if you fancy - for convicting John Walker of anything? Scrat described him as railroaded, I concur. I don't think he broke any US law but he's serving a twenty year sentence. There's an injustice about that.
You guys are ahead of me again- I'm still on Scrat's "Give me a break, RG" comment, addressing patriotism/blind justice in the courtroom.
But I'll catch up. I'm mixed on the John Walker issue. I can see the reason for the kneejerk reaction about him possibly associating with the enemy but then again, it also seems like he's doing time for just having been visiting the "wrong" country at the wrong time which offers no legal reason that I can see. I am straddling on this one.
You guys are ahead of me again- I'm still on Scrat's "Give me a break, RG" comment, addressing patriotism/blind justice in the courtroom.
But I'll catch up. I'm mixed on the John Walker issue. I can see the reason for the kneejerk reaction about him possibly associating with the enemy but then again, it also seems like he's doing time for just having been visiting the "wrong" country at the wrong time which offers no legal reason that I can see. I am straddling on this one.
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
RedGlitter;661121 wrote: You guys are ahead of me again- I'm still on Scrat's "Give me a break, RG" comment, addressing patriotism/blind justice in the courtroom.
But I'll catch up. I'm mixed on the John Walker issue. I can see the reason for the kneejerk reaction about him possibly associating with the enemy but then again, it also seems like he's doing time for just having been visiting the "wrong" country at the wrong time which offers no legal reason that I can see. I am straddling on this one.
He wasn't visiting, he was a volunteer soldier in the army of Afghanistan, fighting the rebel Northern Alliance. That's not "terrorist", it's not "member of Al Qaeda". The Taliban wasn't "the enemy" at the time he went there and signed up. The USA was the largest contributor of foreign assistance to the Taliban back then.
Americans have fought in foreign wars on many occasions without subsequently being tried or convicted for it. They fought on both sides in the Spanish Civil War for example, some of them quite famously.
But I'll catch up. I'm mixed on the John Walker issue. I can see the reason for the kneejerk reaction about him possibly associating with the enemy but then again, it also seems like he's doing time for just having been visiting the "wrong" country at the wrong time which offers no legal reason that I can see. I am straddling on this one.
He wasn't visiting, he was a volunteer soldier in the army of Afghanistan, fighting the rebel Northern Alliance. That's not "terrorist", it's not "member of Al Qaeda". The Taliban wasn't "the enemy" at the time he went there and signed up. The USA was the largest contributor of foreign assistance to the Taliban back then.
Americans have fought in foreign wars on many occasions without subsequently being tried or convicted for it. They fought on both sides in the Spanish Civil War for example, some of them quite famously.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
magenta flame;661179 wrote: hey spot you reading Beevors' latest book?
I'm utterly convinced that we're not talking avout the same person but I read his "A Writer at War: Vasily Grossman with the Red Army 1941-1945" and "Stalingrad" in January, and they were so good I offered them to koan but she was otherwise engaged. So... you're not talking about Antony Beevor? You are? It's not an impossible author, given the thread we're in, but it's surprising. What's his latest book, anyway?
What I was actually reading before I logged back on was Patrick O'Brian's "Blue At The Mizzen", and great fun it is too.
I'm utterly convinced that we're not talking avout the same person but I read his "A Writer at War: Vasily Grossman with the Red Army 1941-1945" and "Stalingrad" in January, and they were so good I offered them to koan but she was otherwise engaged. So... you're not talking about Antony Beevor? You are? It's not an impossible author, given the thread we're in, but it's surprising. What's his latest book, anyway?
What I was actually reading before I logged back on was Patrick O'Brian's "Blue At The Mizzen", and great fun it is too.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
magenta flame;661224 wrote: the REd Army colonial paced up and downIf I ever write a novel I shall try very hard to include that phrase. How to create an Australian character who gets entangled in Russian politics, presumably having been captured by the Turk at the Dardanelles, escaped, crossed the Black Sea and finally enlisted with Trotsky himself at a way-station in the Ukraine around 1919, that's the question, but he'll be the Red Army Colonial to the life and I shall so get him to pace up and down.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Remember the guy with the shoe bomb?
RedGlitter;661091 wrote: How can justice do its job if it can't see what is right?
What's the point behind what I bolded??
I'm not seeing what you guys evidently are. I'm not seeing an overabundance of patriotism as much as I am seeing the upholding of what is right.
By applying the letter of the law and nothing more - anything else would be an injustice.
If a country wishes to enshrine what it considers to be "right" into its legal system then it must be explicitly written in and not left to the interpretation of individual judges.
I fully concur with Bored_Wombat - the law *must* be blind.
What's the point behind what I bolded??
I'm not seeing what you guys evidently are. I'm not seeing an overabundance of patriotism as much as I am seeing the upholding of what is right.
By applying the letter of the law and nothing more - anything else would be an injustice.
If a country wishes to enshrine what it considers to be "right" into its legal system then it must be explicitly written in and not left to the interpretation of individual judges.
I fully concur with Bored_Wombat - the law *must* be blind.