The Bible.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Mon May 07, 2007 9:41 am

That is Awesome Susie!!!

I am ashamed to say that I don't read as often as I know I should. I have wonderful Christian books also that I start and don't finish... The book of John is the best place to start and then read the other Gospels. (Matthew, Mark and Luke). All of it is Good Reading of course.

I didn't grow up in a Christian home, matter of fact I'm the one that went to church and in the course over about 10-years, my family are very active in the Church and loving the Lord. He is Wonderful:-4

Sweet Tooth · Post by **Sweet Tooth** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:29 am

One of my favorites is Proverbs! Proverbs is full of good common sense for the Christian soul! It's also quite funny!

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:34 am

Sweet Tooth;608267 wrote: One of my favorites is Proverbs! Proverbs is full of good common sense for the Christian soul! It's also quite funny!

I was gonna say Proverbs and Psalms are good reading too....:-6

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:37 am

I don't. I'm not christian so it doesn't apply to me.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:02 pm

Look in the back of your bible, sometimes there's a daily verse listed. Look around online, there are several great sites for daily devotionals.

And I'm not good either at picking up and reading the bible regularly like I should.

Chookie · Post by **Chookie** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:16 pm

RedGlitter;608271 wrote: I don't. I'm not christian so it doesn't apply to me.

Snap.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:01 pm

AngelEyes82;608218 wrote: How often do you actually pick it up and read it??

Tim and I decided that we were gonna read ours for about an hour everyday.

Last night I started to read the book of John. Not sure where to go next. In all honesty I never read the bible.. Tim has. When I lived in Illinois I wasn't a very religious person.. I believe but my family never attended church & I know we never had a Bible. It was my brother in law that asked Tim and I to go to this church with him 4 years ago. The first day I went I was hooked and I felt like I had found what I was missing in my life after all those years. I am a born again Christian but I was raised (if you want to call it that) catholic.

Just thought I would ask how often you guys read the bible.

I'm puzzled. If you are a born again Christian does that mean you can't be a catholic? What if you become a born again catholic

Do born again christians consider Catholics to be non Christian?

Seriously here guys I am not trying to be facetious.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:06 pm

gmc;608387 wrote: I'm puzzled. If you are a born again Christian does that mean you can't be a catholic? What if you become a born again catholic

Do born again christians consider Catholics to be non Christian?

Seriously here guys I am not trying to be facetious.

GMC, I have heard the term born-again Catholics used here. I think they use it to designate those who believe salvation is through a personal relationship with Jesus, not particularly through the church. Although they usually remain Catholics, it is their belief system.

Do Christians consider Catholics to be non-Christians? No. It is a denominational designation. Like the different Protestant denominations. Protestants do not consider Catholics to not be Christians. (this is my viewpoint of what I think they believe)

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:18 pm

chonsigirl;608391 wrote: GMC, I have heard the term born-again Catholics used here. I think they use it to designate those who believe salvation is through a personal relationship with Jesus, not particularly through the church. Although they usually remain Catholics, it is their belief system.

Do Christians consider Catholics to be non-Christians? No. It is a denominational designation. Like the different Protestant denominations. Protestants do not consider Catholics to not be Christians. (this is my viewpoint of what I think they believe)

:yh_clap :yh_clap Great answer Chonsi!! :-6

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:22 pm

chonsigirl;608391 wrote: GMC, I have heard the term born-again Catholics used here. I think they use it to designate those who believe salvation is through a personal relationship with Jesus, not particularly through the church. Although they usually remain Catholics, it is their belief system.

Do Christians consider Catholics to be non-Christians? No. It is a denominational designation. Like the different Protestant denominations. Protestants do not consider Catholics to not be Christians. (this is my viewpoint of what I think they believe)

That is what I believe Chronsi. But I do know there are some out there who believe otherwise. If you've read any of the Left Behind series you will see what I mean.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:21 pm

chonsigirl;608391 wrote:

Do Christians consider Catholics to be non-Christians? No. It is a denominational designation. Like the different Protestant denominations. Protestants do not consider Catholics to not be Christians. (this is my viewpoint of what I think they believe)

Ask some of the Southern Baptists who've visited us over the past year or so and you might get a different answer :wah:

In answer to the OP - I've read the NT through four or five times and dipped into both the New and Old as occasion demands over the years. Interesting book with much of use but not a literal and inerrant recipie to dictate your life IMHO.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:28 pm

Sheryl;608398 wrote: That is what I believe Chronsi. But I do know there are some out there who believe otherwise. If you've read any of the Left Behind series you will see what I mean.

Yes, I have read the series. I found them quite good!

Others may believe differently, but I do not.

Post by **spot** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:01 pm

Bryn Mawr;608446 wrote: [...] and dipped into both the New and Old as occasion demands over the years.I think we should be told - what occasion and what verses? I had a sudden memory of seeing the aurora borealis one evening and, not having the slightest clue what it actually was until later, starting in on The Book Of Revelation as a matter of urgent study.

Post by **spot** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:05 pm

chonsigirl;608453 wrote: Yes, I have read the series. I found them quite good!I was cheering for the underdog from start to finish, but the author had the result fixed from the start.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:07 pm

spot;608478 wrote: I was cheering for the underdog from start to finish, but the author had the result fixed from the start.

:wah:

It was an interesting take on the End Times. It is all up to personal interpetation, but frankly, whatever is going to happen, will happen.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:25 pm

spot;608476 wrote: I think we should be told - what occasion and what verses? I had a sudden memory of seeing the aurora borealis one evening and, not having the slightest clue what it actually was until later, starting in on The Book Of Revelation as a matter of urgent study.

Many and varied, several prompted from here, but Zelasny's "A Rose For Eclesiasties" sparked furious reading

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:19 pm

chonsigirl;608481 wrote: :wah:

It was an interesting take on the End Times. It is all up to personal interpretation, but frankly, whatever is going to happen, will happen.

Have you read any of the prequels they have out now for the series? I've read a couple of them. They were ok.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:29 pm

I've never read the "Left Behind" series but from what I hear it is pure garbage written in the name of God. In fact it is based on a misreading of "Revelation" which was a letter written about the Roman Empire and had nothing to do with a few thousand years hence. (J. B Phillips; Bible translator).

Shalom

Ted:-6

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon May 07, 2007 8:06 pm

Hey y'all...

My earlier reply was a little snippy and I didn't mean for it to be. I wanted to change that. What I should have said is that I have read portions of the bible (psalms and proverbs being my favorites) but that it didn't apply to my own faith, not that that part's relevant.

Didn't want anyone thinking I had meant to be flippant earlier. Thanks!

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon May 07, 2007 8:16 pm

Red Glitter:-6

There are several things in the Bible that are really inappropriate and don't fit well with the Christian faith. There are those, however, who will do some creative writing to make the irreconcilable reconcilable but it really doesn't work.

For instance a critical reading of Numbers 31 would give anyone the impression that God not only condoned war crimes but in fact promoted them. That is hardly the message that we get from the teachings or life of Jesus. In fact it is a disgusting story.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Mon May 07, 2007 9:21 pm

I quite liked the concept of "The Good Book : As Read By Larry King" cassette series, featured on The Simpsons several years ago. Homer's fast forwarding through all that tedious "begatting" businesss was hilarious !

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Mon May 07, 2007 9:23 pm

RedGlitter;608541 wrote:

Didn't want anyone thinking I had meant to be flippant earlier. Thanks!

Dang ! I like flippancy !

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:01 am

Ted;608544 wrote: Red Glitter:-6

There are several things in the Bible that are really inappropriate and don't fit well with the Christian faith. There are those, however, who will do some creative writing to make the irreconcilable reconcilable but it really doesn't work.

For instance a critical reading of Numbers 31 would give anyone the impression that God not only condoned war crimes but in fact promoted them. That is hardly the message that we get from the teachings or life of Jesus. In fact it is a disgusting story.

Shalom

Ted

Ted...:-6 Thank you.

Richard Bell;608556 wrote: Dang ! I like flippancy !

:wah: Thanks Richard! Maybe in another thread though. I'm sure I can deliver.

Sweet Tooth · Post by **Sweet Tooth** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:49 am

I haven't done much research on the end of time, but I'm not sure I believe in the way the Left Behind series showed it either- and I have been going to church my whole life!

Post by **spot** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:56 am

AngelEyes82;609028 wrote: I haven't read the left behind series. A good friend of mine said that it was crap so I took her word for it. She's a smart lady and she knows crap when she sees it! lolIt's about a totally loathsome bunch of born-again Christians who bring about the downfall of the most charming and likeable Antichrist you could ever hope to meet by treachery, lying and (eventually) plain divine invincibility. My own opinion is that the authors wrote it just to show how vilely born-again Christians can behave and how despicable omnipotent divinities invariably are, but I bet they'd never admit to it.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:46 pm

spot:-6

Good points.

They even have it out in video game now and I hear that is fairly violent. Nice isn't it???

That certainly was not the life nor message of Jesus of Nazareth.

Shalom

Ted:-6

chrisb84uk · Post by **chrisb84uk** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:28 am

Hey look it's Far! I hope you are all alright buddy, try to pop in every now and then!

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:23 pm

Of all the sacred documents in the world the book of "Revelation" is the most violent and despicable. A religion that follows its master who told us the greatest commandment was to love one another and then includes such nonsense is hardly consistent. J. D Crossan.

That is a misreading of Revelation. It is an attack on the ancient Roman Empire and not a predictor of some distant future day. Bible translator J. B. Phillips.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:26 am

FarRider:-6

Obviously I don't agree with you. If we see in Jesus the fullness of God then I fail to see the nonsense of Revelation in his life or teachings. Since it was the scholars that gave us the Bible in the first place I will stick with the scholars.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun May 20, 2007 2:39 pm

Far Rider:-6

That sounds fine to me; agree to disagree.

Shalom

Ted:-6