Americans,,,,Hate 'em or Love 'em

almurray · Post by **almurray** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:40 pm

Hi all, Newbie here.

I've just drifted in after being banned for the 4th time from an extreme right wing American Forum. Ok I admit, I did troll them but usually in response to some highly vitriolic anti English / British abuse. They hate our teeth, the Queen, FutBol, black pudding et al.

I'm asking here for views or experiences with conservative Americans, Their views and how you perceive Americans and America as viewed from this sceptred Isle.

Al

:guitarist

ps: This post was intended for the UK and was posted here in error. It is not a Troll. Thanks for replies tho'

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:43 pm

I love Americans! :-6

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:47 pm

I find that if you treat anyone from another country with a modicum of courtesy and a little respect for the fact that they are different, and they love their country as much as you love yours, then they will be ok with you discussing anything, (there are always a few who just want to fight in any country), but if you condescend, patronize, bully, hector, act all superior or just annoy people for the sake of it, or because you have some sort of personal issue with their country, they don't respond well, and why should they?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:49 pm

almurray;570963 wrote:

I'm asking her for views or experiences with conservative Americans, Their views and how you perceive Americans and America as viewed fro this sceptred Isle.

Al

:guitarist

I'm human before I'm American...

I think you've just had some experience with people whom are a little bit too defensive for their own good.

Unless of course you were goading them...

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:51 pm

almurray;570963 wrote: Hi all, Newbie here.

I've just drifted in after being banned fo the 4th time from an etreme right wing American Forum. Ok I admit, I did troll them but usually in response to some highly vitriolic anti English / British abuse. They hate our teeth, the Queen, FutBol, black pudding et al.

I'm asking her for views or experiences with conservative Americans, Their views and how you perceive Americans and America as viewed fro this sceptred Isle.

Al

:guitarist

um, you do realize this board is owned by an american and that the majority of people who post here are americans.

although we have people here from all over the world and we are all like a family here so I don't think you're going to get the responses you are looking for.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:53 pm

Galbally;570976 wrote: I find that if you treat anyone from another country with a modicum of courtesy and a little respect for the fact that they are different, and they love their country as much as you love yours, then they will be ok with you discussing anything, (there are always a few who just want to fight in any country), but if you condescend, patronize, bully, hector, act all superior or just annoy people for the sake of it, or because you have some sort of personal issue with their country, they don't respond well, and why should they?

:yh_clap Once again...Well said Dr. G!!:)

Alot of us have been here, done that, and not gonna go through it again. If you want to argue, well I'm sure you will find it alright. But, not by me.

I love America!..It's my Home! I also respect other people from other countries and their beliefs. I have met some of the most kind, gentle, funny and just all around awesome people since I've joined this forum about 4 months ago. I care about them and would never talk bad about from where they live out of respect!

I'm feeling the love:-4

almurray · Post by **almurray** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:55 pm

sunny104;570985 wrote: um, you do realize this board is owned by an american and that the majority of people who post here are americans.

although we have people here from all over the world and we are all like a family here so I don't think you're going to get the responses you are looking for.

shucks, i thought it was British.

Still it's a fair point. I found most Liberal Americans and Canadians had more in common with Brits

Al

:guitarist

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:01 pm

almurray;570991 wrote: shucks, i thought it was British.

Still it's a fair point. I found most Liberal Americans and Canadians had more in common with Brits

Al

:guitarist

you can't generalize when it comes to humans.

there's good and bad everywhere! :-6

almurray · Post by **almurray** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:03 pm

sunny104;570995 wrote: you can't generalize when it comes to humans.

there's good and bad everywhere! :-6

wise words. I think you should join the forum and change their Karma.

Al

:guitarist

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:04 pm

Careful Almurray, we Canucks are NORTH AMERICANS so ya can't take issue with "americans" hah!

Welcome to the forum,

I like em. they make up a good portion of this forum.

almurray · Post by **almurray** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:07 pm

minks;571002 wrote: Careful Almurray, we Canucks are NORTH AMERICANS so ya can't take issue with "americans" hah!

Welcome to the forum,

I like em. they make up a good portion of this forum.

They used to call Canada, Kanukistan for some reason.

Al

:guitarist

ps: I'm off to the Pub Now, So may catch you all tomorrow.

Sleep tight

Al

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:09 pm

almurray;570999 wrote: wise words. I think you should join the forum and change their Karma.

Al

:guitarist

everyone's responsible for their own karma, and I tend to stay away from drama and conflict.

well, you don't seem like a raving lunatic like some of the anti-american posters we've gotten.

welcome to FG. :-6

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:13 pm

Hiya Al, welcome to FG :-6

All in all the Americans are a pretty decent lot here at FG.

We have some stroppy sods, American and British alike.

Live and let live eh? :yh_peace

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:52 pm

almurray;570963 wrote: I've just drifted in after being banned for the 4th time from an extreme right wing American Forum.

Ooh! Which one?

almurray;570963 wrote: I'm asking here for views or experiences with conservative Americans, Their views and how you perceive Americans and America as viewed from this sceptred Isle.

:guitarit

I'm not sure what a "conservative American" is. It seems to me, though, that if

you go to any country you will find there an assortment of people - some OK -

some not. In the case of the USA, I have not met many - but the ones I have

met have been OK to at least some degree. How do I perceive the USA? I'm

sure I hold similar views to many others worldwide!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:53 pm

Galbally;570976 wrote: I find that if you treat anyone from another country with a modicum of courtesy and a little respect for the fact that they are different, and they love their country as much as you love yours, then they will be ok with you discussing anything, (there are always a few who just want to fight in any country), but if you condescend, patronize, bully, hector, act all superior or just annoy people for the sake of it, or because you have some sort of personal issue with their country, they don't respond well, and why should they? thinking:

Yes, it certainly does sound as though there were some less than desirable

types on the "forum" the OP referred to!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:58 pm

sunny104;570985 wrote: um, you do realize [...] that the majority of people who post here are americans.

OT, but I'd love to see a breakdown of contributers/countries!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:02 pm

Bill Sikes;571023 wrote: OT, but I'd love to see a breakdown of contributers/countries!

Why?

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:06 pm

You're talking about having been to a place where they think Hannity and Colmes represent the only point of view worth having, who have wet dreams about Anne Coulter and think The O'Reilly Factor is the best source of news on television?

Because Americans aren't all like that.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:07 pm

I have to admit the post's title really puts me off.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:18 pm

K.Snyder;571024 wrote: Why?

For interest.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:19 pm

K.Snyder;571024 wrote: Why?

Kathy Ellen;571034 wrote: Hi Bill. Do you dislike Americans?[...]

If you read my post, you will find that I have stated my opinion!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:20 pm

RedGlitter;571030 wrote: I have to admit the post's title really puts me off.

Not exactly appropriate, is it, considering the OP.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:23 pm

Bill Sikes;571019 wrote: Ooh! Which one?

I'm not sure what a "conservative American" is. It seems to me, though, that if

you go to any country you will find there an assortment of people - some OK -

some not. In the case of the USA, I have not met many - but the ones I have

met have been OK to at least some degree. How do I perceive the USA? I'm

sure I hold similar views to many others worldwide!
I'm glad some of us were OK to some degree. I'm happy we weren't OK to no degree.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:34 pm

Funny thing to consider....

If we had a "Brits- love em or hate em" thread that woule be uncouth.

If we had a "Mexicans- love em or hate em" thread that would be bad.

Same with "Blacks/Asians/Gays/Rightwingers/Leftists/ETC of your choice..."

That would be smeared as racist and bigoted.

But it's somehow okay to do this with Americans.

Now somebody tell me why that is?

Americans are not that different from anyone else and I'd dare say if you think so you don't know Americans very well. Stop going by what you see on your TV.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:47 pm

RedGlitter;571050 wrote: Funny thing to consider....

If we had a "Brits- love em or hate em" thread that woule be uncouth.

If we had a "Mexicans- love em or hate em" thread that would be bad.

Same with "Blacks/Asians/Gays/Rightwingers/Leftists/ETC of your choice..."

That would be smeared as racist and bigoted.

But it's somehow okay to do this with Americans.

Now somebody tell me why that is?

Americans are not that different from anyone else and I'd dare say if you think so you don't know Americans very well. Stop going by what you see on your TV.
That is actually an excellent point Red.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:51 pm

YZGI;571044 wrote: I'm glad some of us were OK to some degree. I'm happy we weren't OK to no degree.cool:

No, no! All, not just some.... even the one with the hairy cleavage...

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:51 pm

A smart American, that Red Glitter is!! I like her...:-4

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:53 pm

What about Brazilians??? You know they keep a low profile and no one seems to notice, but its a big flippin country, and they have their own thing going on, anyone hate Brazilians then???

(apart from Pele of course, a true gent if ever there was one) :wah:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:54 pm

RedGlitter;571050 wrote: Funny thing to consider....

If we had a "Brits- love em or hate em" thread that woule be uncouth.

If we had a "Mexicans- love em or hate em" thread that would be bad.

Same with "Blacks/Asians/Gays/Rightwingers/Leftists/ETC of your choice..."

That would be smeared as racist and bigoted.

But it's somehow okay to do this with Americans.

Now somebody tell me why that is?.

We have had some such threads, haven't we?

RedGlitter;571050 wrote: Americans are not that different from anyone else and I'd dare say if you think so you don't know Americans very well. Stop going by what you see on your TV.

a) I know, see an earlier post;

b) I'm really, really disappointed... you mean it's *not* like on TV?????

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:56 pm

Bill Sikes;571064 wrote: We have had some such threads, haven't we?

a) I know, see an earlier post;

b) I'm really, really disappointed... you mean it's *not* like on TV?????
Hey Bill, pick up some re-runs of Bonanza. Thats pretty much how it is here.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:16 pm

YZGI;571066 wrote: Hey Bill, pick up some re-runs of Bonanza. Thats pretty much how it is here.

and here too

Glitter girl...... I think this kind of gerneralization of "Americans" is coming from folks that only know what they hear from the news. They don't take the time to understand others, they find it easiest to just make a judgement call on what the media fills their heads with.

I would say spend a month in an international forum like here and then ask this kind of question. I find it irksome too that people just dump out a question like that to rile up the good people from all over the globe.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:25 pm

Well I mean Ireland is exactly like it is on TV: first its 1847, we all live in thatched cottages on misty hill sides that are being machine gunned constantly from the air by British army helicopters, we are all drunk, from the moment we are born, and we all talk like leprechauns on acid, we are all, and I mean all in the IRA (or are at least ex-IRA), or we are a member of U2, or both. We have no potatoes at all at all, and the children run round the streets of our quaint mud-hut villages in muddy rags, chasing the donkeys (which all live in the lifts of tower blocks don't ya know, and there is one for every citizen). All the women have red hair, and work in the fields with no shoes, they pick potatoes (even though there are none) and also referee the constant boxing matches that us men have, and which go on for 8 hours over various locations and end in the pub (which is run by a jolly man, and his shrewish wife), we also are all priests and nuns, as well as being in U2 and being terrorists, which makes us complicated, oh and we all live in America as well, because we all immigrated there, so there is actually no one here, and this island does not really exist and is now being used as the set for the next series of "Lost". Thats TV Ireland. :wah:

:rolleyes: TV, is there anything it can't do?

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:26 pm

hi al , welcome to fg , i have to say buddy 99% of all the Americans i've ever met have been really really nice to me , compare that to about 50% of the British i've met , buddy in my book the Americans are great ,maybe you just dont meet the nicest of Americans ,there are places in Britain where i think the people are er er not that nice ,buddy you cant put down a whole country just because you dont like an individual , imagine the damage i could do to the British tourist trade on my own ,who the hell would want visit us after meeting me :wah: :wah:

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:36 pm

as with every nation we got the good and we got the bad....

Yep Canada is as seen on TV too igloos, moose, and indians. Welcome to the great white north.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:51 pm

YZGI;571066 wrote: Hey Bill, pick up some re-runs of Bonanza. Thats pretty much how it is here.cool:

Gosh, gee whiz, thanks! I'll keep mye eyes open for it!

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:53 pm

almurray;570963 wrote: Hi all, Newbie here.

I've just drifted in after being banned for the 4th time from an extreme right wing American Forum. Ok I admit, I did troll them but usually in response to some highly vitriolic anti English / British abuse. They hate our teeth, the Queen, FutBol, black pudding et al.

I'm asking here for views or experiences with conservative Americans, Their views and how you perceive Americans and America as viewed from this sceptred Isle.

Al

:guitarist

I hate black pudding too, dunno what FutBol is and the Queen bores me, I'm also fussy about nice teeth! I don't have Americans though. All I can say is, "have a nice day". :wah:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:55 pm

minks;571114 wrote:

Yep Canada is as seen on TV too igloos, moose, and indians. Welcome to the great white north.

Just like on "Yvonne of the Yukon"!?

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:00 pm

Bill Sikes;571142 wrote: Just like on "Yvonne of the Yukon"!?

Oiy I don't recall that one.

Or Nanook of the North

and I failed to mention ... we got mounties

Attached files

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:00 pm

minks;571151 wrote: Oiy I don't recall that one.

Or Nanook of the North

and I failed to mention ... we got mounties

OMG Paul Gross, I LOVED him!

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:01 pm

crazygal;571153 wrote: OMG Paul Gross, I LOVED him!

the one

the only

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:04 pm

minks;571154 wrote: the one

the only

Oh yes, used to watch Due South only because of him and when he was replaced I stopped. How sad. He didn't look half as tasty out of his uniform either.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:06 pm

hehehe women and their love of a man in uniform hehehe

Yeah he kind of vanished here.

NotToday · Post by **NotToday** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:40 pm

I love everyone and I have respect for all cultures. Everyone has a head and a heart, it's what we do with it that makes us who we are. There are people from every culture that can be narrow minded, racists, bigots, etc.

I believe in Karma, treat others the way you would want to be treated.

And for the record, I'm American and I think I would love to be British.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:50 pm

Americans are no good. Well theyre good for nothing but thats about it.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:50 pm

almurray;570963 wrote: Hi all, Newbie here.

I've just drifted in after being banned for the 4th time from an extreme right wing American Forum. Ok I admit, I did troll them but usually in response to some highly vitriolic anti English / British abuse. They hate our teeth, the Queen, FutBol, black pudding et al.

I'm asking here for views or experiences with conservative Americans, Their views and how you perceive Americans and America as viewed from this sceptred Isle.

Al

:guitarist

Al---------I'm a Yank from California that is presently in New Zealand, so I get considerable feedback from Kiwi and Aussie friends and relatives as to their thoughts on Americans, and conservatives in particular.

First, it's a mistake to lump all Conservatives together. Social Conservative?

Fiscal Conservative? Religious Conservative? A mixture?

Example--------I have always considered my self to be a Conservative despite being an atheist, anti death penalty, woman's choice on abortion, limited gun control.

Much concern of non Americans seems to center around the so called Religious Right Wing Conservatives, which are a small, but vocal minority of the Conservative Cause. I look for that part of the conservative movement to loose their effctiveness as the more moderate part of the conservative movement gains control.