RedGlitter;543402 wrote: BEZ~
See how great this is? There are a bunch of people just on this board who weren't aware of fois gras or weren't aware of the suffering behind making it and now they know. All because of your post and link. Imagine how many you could reach by email, posters, etc! I'm really glad to see another animal issue on the board. Thanks Bez! :-6
Red....I saw a piece on the BBC news on Wednesday night which shocked me. I 'googled' foie Gras and discovered the link plus loads of other info.
I eat meat, fish etc but always endeavour to buy stuff that I 'believe' to be 'farm reared', organic etc.
Whilst the practise of 'forced feeding' and other un-natural animal rearing has probably been going on for decades / centuries, we are far better informed these days.
There is no doubt that people that can afford to eat these foods know the process that went on before the 'delicacy' landed on their plates the same as they know how animals are slaughtered in awful ways for fur, rhino horns, and so on...the list is numerous.
Human beings may be regarded as 'the higher order' in regards to the animals that inhabit planet Earth, as such, we should live up to our responsibilities.
Bez xx
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The cruelty of Foie Gras....
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The cruelty of Foie Gras....
Galbally;543878 wrote: Here's my viewpoint.
1. Most modern industrial farming involves copious amounts of animal cruelty, copious, millions of animals die every day, in quite horrible ways, in cold nasty factories to feed you lot, and its done from the perspective of economy not animal welfare. Thats the real animal rights issue of our times, not side issues like foxes, lab testing, fois gras, etc etc (OK these are real moral issues that urban people feel strongly about, and I can respect that if not agree with it, but they are small cheese in relation to what is happening to give them their lifestyles they so love).
Currently, we are fishing the seas dry, and destroying our own land habitats, wiping out species at a rate of knots, causing our climate to change irrevocably and living in complete denial about it based on religious nonsense and unenlightened economic self-interest, we are tarmacking over our countryside, replacing fields, dells, rivers, woods, grasslands, seashores, with urban wastelands of shopping centres, regimented housing, waste-grounds, roads, and the associated paraphernalia of modern life, we are eating rubbish food made out of the most disgusting things, packed with chemicals, we are lacing our environment and river systems with increasing amounts of chemicals, and again killing off ecosystems, we are addicted to lifestyles in which we demand the right to be as selfish as possible, do whatever we want, and have no practical concept of the impact that our regimented, suburban, pseudo-TV-culture lives have on the real environment out there where these animals that people pretend to love so much actually live and die, I'm sorry but its a joke.
I can't understand why people who ignore all of these actual issues and the true impact we have on our land and its animals (we have always has an impact BTW, there was no utopia, ever), can then get so worked up about things like bullfighting, and fois gras, hunting, etc, which are things that come from cultures that were infinitely more connected with real life on the land than our own urbanized, ironic, shallow, infantile culture is as present, it makes me laugh. Sorry.
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That doesn't mean I agree or take pleasure in things that involve gross cruelty to animals either, so don't pin me with that one, but i am not all starry eyed about such things either, and I am not a vegetarian because I like meat and fish, so I eat these fellas anyway, so you know, you have to be aware of what the impact of what you are doing really has around you.
That deserves repeating! Every word.
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1. Most modern industrial farming involves copious amounts of animal cruelty, copious, millions of animals die every day, in quite horrible ways, in cold nasty factories to feed you lot, and its done from the perspective of economy not animal welfare. Thats the real animal rights issue of our times, not side issues like foxes, lab testing, fois gras, etc etc (OK these are real moral issues that urban people feel strongly about, and I can respect that if not agree with it, but they are small cheese in relation to what is happening to give them their lifestyles they so love).
Currently, we are fishing the seas dry, and destroying our own land habitats, wiping out species at a rate of knots, causing our climate to change irrevocably and living in complete denial about it based on religious nonsense and unenlightened economic self-interest, we are tarmacking over our countryside, replacing fields, dells, rivers, woods, grasslands, seashores, with urban wastelands of shopping centres, regimented housing, waste-grounds, roads, and the associated paraphernalia of modern life, we are eating rubbish food made out of the most disgusting things, packed with chemicals, we are lacing our environment and river systems with increasing amounts of chemicals, and again killing off ecosystems, we are addicted to lifestyles in which we demand the right to be as selfish as possible, do whatever we want, and have no practical concept of the impact that our regimented, suburban, pseudo-TV-culture lives have on the real environment out there where these animals that people pretend to love so much actually live and die, I'm sorry but its a joke.
I can't understand why people who ignore all of these actual issues and the true impact we have on our land and its animals (we have always has an impact BTW, there was no utopia, ever), can then get so worked up about things like bullfighting, and fois gras, hunting, etc, which are things that come from cultures that were infinitely more connected with real life on the land than our own urbanized, ironic, shallow, infantile culture is as present, it makes me laugh. Sorry.
:-5
That doesn't mean I agree or take pleasure in things that involve gross cruelty to animals either, so don't pin me with that one, but i am not all starry eyed about such things either, and I am not a vegetarian because I like meat and fish, so I eat these fellas anyway, so you know, you have to be aware of what the impact of what you are doing really has around you.
That deserves repeating! Every word.
:yh_clap
The cruelty of Foie Gras....
Galbally;543878 wrote: Here's my viewpoint.
1. Most modern industrial farming involves copious amounts of animal cruelty, copious, millions of animals die every day, in quite horrible ways, in cold nasty factories to feed you lot, and its done from the perspective of economy not animal welfare. Thats the real animal rights issue of our times, not side issues like foxes, lab testing, fois gras, etc etc (OK these are real moral issues that urban people feel strongly about, and I can respect that if not agree with it, but they are small cheese in relation to what is happening to give them their lifestyles they so love).
Currently, we are fishing the seas dry, and destroying our own land habitats, wiping out species at a rate of knots, causing our climate to change irrevocably and living in complete denial about it based on religious nonsense and unenlightened economic self-interest, we are tarmacking over our countryside, replacing fields, dells, rivers, woods, grasslands, seashores, with urban wastelands of shopping centres, regimented housing, waste-grounds, roads, and the associated paraphernalia of modern life, we are eating rubbish food made out of the most disgusting things, packed with chemicals, we are lacing our environment and river systems with increasing amounts of chemicals, and again killing off ecosystems, we are addicted to lifestyles in which we demand the right to be as selfish as possible, do whatever we want, and have no practical concept of the impact that our regimented, suburban, pseudo-TV-culture lives have on the real environment out there where these animals that people pretend to love so much actually live and die, I'm sorry but its a joke.
I can't understand why people who ignore all of these actual issues and the true impact we have on our land and its animals (we have always has an impact BTW, there was no utopia, ever), can then get so worked up about things like bullfighting, and fois gras, hunting, etc, which are things that come from cultures that were infinitely more connected with real life on the land than our own urbanized, ironic, shallow, infantile culture is as present, it makes me laugh. Sorry.
:-5
That doesn't mean I agree or take pleasure in things that involve gross cruelty to animals either, so don't pin me with that one, but i am not all starry eyed about such things either, and I am not a vegetarian because I like meat and fish, so I eat these fellas anyway, so you know, you have to be aware of what the impact of what you are doing really has around you.
I'm not starry eyed about it either....life, death and survival can be brutal....we do our best. I agree with everything you've said...I eat meat, fish etc....and enjoy it.
Most of us are aware of the cruel things that go on in order to make money out of feeding the world but I was not aware of the process involved in producing Foie Gras which was why I started the thread. It's good to step out of your comfort zone sometimes....not something I do very often, coward that I am....
In the grand scheme of things this issue rates well down the list of things that we should be concentrating on....de-forestation, pollution etc. If we don't face and solve these issues, we won't be here to enjoy the most basic existence.
1. Most modern industrial farming involves copious amounts of animal cruelty, copious, millions of animals die every day, in quite horrible ways, in cold nasty factories to feed you lot, and its done from the perspective of economy not animal welfare. Thats the real animal rights issue of our times, not side issues like foxes, lab testing, fois gras, etc etc (OK these are real moral issues that urban people feel strongly about, and I can respect that if not agree with it, but they are small cheese in relation to what is happening to give them their lifestyles they so love).
Currently, we are fishing the seas dry, and destroying our own land habitats, wiping out species at a rate of knots, causing our climate to change irrevocably and living in complete denial about it based on religious nonsense and unenlightened economic self-interest, we are tarmacking over our countryside, replacing fields, dells, rivers, woods, grasslands, seashores, with urban wastelands of shopping centres, regimented housing, waste-grounds, roads, and the associated paraphernalia of modern life, we are eating rubbish food made out of the most disgusting things, packed with chemicals, we are lacing our environment and river systems with increasing amounts of chemicals, and again killing off ecosystems, we are addicted to lifestyles in which we demand the right to be as selfish as possible, do whatever we want, and have no practical concept of the impact that our regimented, suburban, pseudo-TV-culture lives have on the real environment out there where these animals that people pretend to love so much actually live and die, I'm sorry but its a joke.
I can't understand why people who ignore all of these actual issues and the true impact we have on our land and its animals (we have always has an impact BTW, there was no utopia, ever), can then get so worked up about things like bullfighting, and fois gras, hunting, etc, which are things that come from cultures that were infinitely more connected with real life on the land than our own urbanized, ironic, shallow, infantile culture is as present, it makes me laugh. Sorry.
:-5
That doesn't mean I agree or take pleasure in things that involve gross cruelty to animals either, so don't pin me with that one, but i am not all starry eyed about such things either, and I am not a vegetarian because I like meat and fish, so I eat these fellas anyway, so you know, you have to be aware of what the impact of what you are doing really has around you.
I'm not starry eyed about it either....life, death and survival can be brutal....we do our best. I agree with everything you've said...I eat meat, fish etc....and enjoy it.
Most of us are aware of the cruel things that go on in order to make money out of feeding the world but I was not aware of the process involved in producing Foie Gras which was why I started the thread. It's good to step out of your comfort zone sometimes....not something I do very often, coward that I am....
In the grand scheme of things this issue rates well down the list of things that we should be concentrating on....de-forestation, pollution etc. If we don't face and solve these issues, we won't be here to enjoy the most basic existence.
A smile is a window on your face to show your heart is home
The cruelty of Foie Gras....
Bez;543882 wrote: There is no doubt that people that can afford to eat these foods know the process that went on before the 'delicacy' landed on their plates the same as they know how animals are slaughtered in awful ways for fur, rhino horns, and so on...the list is numerous.Bez, do you not distinguish between killing wild animals - nobody, for example, farms rhinos - and breeding them from birth for the sole purpose of stocking the supermarket shelves? As for domesticated animals bred for food, which ones are slaughtered in un-awful ways?
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;543886 wrote: Bez, do you not distinguish between killing wild animals - nobody, for example, farms rhinos - and breeding them from birth for the sole purpose of stocking the supermarket shelves? As for domesticated animals bred for food, which ones are slaughtered in un-awful ways?
I have no problem with animals being bred to feed the world provided the process is not cruel.
When I mentioned Rhinos and wild animals, I guess I was thinking about wild animals being killed for reasons that to me cannot be justified.
Bears being killed for their fur and cubs left to die....sorry I'm no expert here....I only know what I have learned from wild life programmes, books and documentaries ....greed, superstition, ignorance, cruelty, apathy have all contributed to the problems we are experiencing now.
I was going to mention endangered species and global warming, but I guess they both deserve separate threads
I have no problem with animals being bred to feed the world provided the process is not cruel.
When I mentioned Rhinos and wild animals, I guess I was thinking about wild animals being killed for reasons that to me cannot be justified.
Bears being killed for their fur and cubs left to die....sorry I'm no expert here....I only know what I have learned from wild life programmes, books and documentaries ....greed, superstition, ignorance, cruelty, apathy have all contributed to the problems we are experiencing now.
I was going to mention endangered species and global warming, but I guess they both deserve separate threads
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Bez;543889 wrote: I have no problem with animals being bred to feed the world provided the process is not cruel. Press on a bit, then - which ones are slaughtered in un-awful ways?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
The cruelty of Foie Gras....
Bez;543885 wrote: I'm not starry eyed about it either....life, death and survival can be brutal....we do our best. I agree with everything you've said...I eat meat, fish etc....and enjoy it.
Most of us are aware of the cruel things that go on in order to make money out of feeding the world but I was not aware of the process involved in producing Foie Gras which was why I started the thread. It's good to step out of your comfort zone sometimes....not something I do very often, coward that I am....
In the grand scheme of things this issue rates well down the list of things that we should be concentrating on....de-forestation, pollution etc. If we don't face and solve these issues, we won't be here to enjoy the most basic existence.
Bez, I think you have every right to say you object to how Foie Gras is made, and yes, it is cruel to force feed geese, you also have the right to not eat it, or try to get your government to ban it by getting together with like-minded people who agree. Other's have the right to disagree strongly and try and stop you. As for me, well like I said, yes it is cruel, but its also very tasty, I quite like it as a delicacy, and its part of French culture, I wouldn't cry overmuch if it was ended, but I wouldn't go out on the street to stop it. I think you can take these things on a case by case basis, and debate them, but there is more to it than simple (if understandable) moral outrage, I mean Spanish people get quite bemused when people come in from other countries and tell them to stop the bull fights, and I am sure the French feel the same about issues like this, just as the English don't like other Europeans telling them to use the metric system the Euro, or whatever the EU issue of the day is, its all part of life's rich pagent really.
Most of us are aware of the cruel things that go on in order to make money out of feeding the world but I was not aware of the process involved in producing Foie Gras which was why I started the thread. It's good to step out of your comfort zone sometimes....not something I do very often, coward that I am....
In the grand scheme of things this issue rates well down the list of things that we should be concentrating on....de-forestation, pollution etc. If we don't face and solve these issues, we won't be here to enjoy the most basic existence.
Bez, I think you have every right to say you object to how Foie Gras is made, and yes, it is cruel to force feed geese, you also have the right to not eat it, or try to get your government to ban it by getting together with like-minded people who agree. Other's have the right to disagree strongly and try and stop you. As for me, well like I said, yes it is cruel, but its also very tasty, I quite like it as a delicacy, and its part of French culture, I wouldn't cry overmuch if it was ended, but I wouldn't go out on the street to stop it. I think you can take these things on a case by case basis, and debate them, but there is more to it than simple (if understandable) moral outrage, I mean Spanish people get quite bemused when people come in from other countries and tell them to stop the bull fights, and I am sure the French feel the same about issues like this, just as the English don't like other Europeans telling them to use the metric system the Euro, or whatever the EU issue of the day is, its all part of life's rich pagent really.
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My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;543892 wrote: its all part of life's rich pagent really.
so it is Gally....so it is....:-6
so it is Gally....so it is....:-6
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spot;543890 wrote: Press on a bit, then - which ones are slaughtered in un-awful ways?
To be killed or slaughtered in an un-awful way to me means meeting your end as quickly and painlessly as possible......a basic animals right...including humans
I think I've pretty much exhausted my thoughts and opinions on this one, but everyone else feel free to continue the discussion.
This afternoon I'm concentrating my attention on Grandson #7, and eating ginger bread men....no no no ....don't start !!!:D
To be killed or slaughtered in an un-awful way to me means meeting your end as quickly and painlessly as possible......a basic animals right...including humans
I think I've pretty much exhausted my thoughts and opinions on this one, but everyone else feel free to continue the discussion.
This afternoon I'm concentrating my attention on Grandson #7, and eating ginger bread men....no no no ....don't start !!!:D
A smile is a window on your face to show your heart is home
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I am in serious disagreement here with some of the opinions expressed.
I consider things like bullfighting, cockfighting, etc to be just as important as deforestation, etc. I consider a being's ability to feel pain and know suffering to be paramount to all else. Any being, human or animal. I hate to be cliche` but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I consider things like bullfighting, cockfighting, etc to be just as important as deforestation, etc. I consider a being's ability to feel pain and know suffering to be paramount to all else. Any being, human or animal. I hate to be cliche` but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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Why would anyone want to eat a liver anyways? From any animal? Its a filter for the body. Gross. Anyone want to take a bite out of my air conditioner filter? IM sure its nice and seasoned with pet dander.
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HAH! DG...I've said that for years! Why would anyone eat a FILTER? Like liver and (shudder) KIDNEYS.....gross!
But the issue of foie gras and veal calves in pens, chickens with beaks cut off. (oh, that's awful!)..issues like those are horrendous and should be publicized outside the world of animal activists.
But the issue of foie gras and veal calves in pens, chickens with beaks cut off. (oh, that's awful!)..issues like those are horrendous and should be publicized outside the world of animal activists.
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But it often takes animal activists to shed that light. Let's not
forget the job they do.
forget the job they do.
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RedGlitter;544548 wrote: But it often takes animal activists to shed that light. Let's not
forget the job they do.
She was saying it takes them (animal activist) to get the word out outside of their own groups. Im not sure if you understood her post correctly...
forget the job they do.
She was saying it takes them (animal activist) to get the word out outside of their own groups. Im not sure if you understood her post correctly...
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DesignerGal;544552 wrote: She was saying it takes them (animal activist) to get the word out outside of their own groups. Im not sure if you understood her post correctly...
I guess I didn't. Thank you for clarifying.
I guess I didn't. Thank you for clarifying.