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Why do people wish to know the future? Be it foresight to plan for tomorrow or asking a medium what will be in 10 years, why do people have this compulsion? A need to feel in control? Is there such a thing as control?
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koan;509949 wrote: Why do people wish to know the future? Be it foresight to plan for tomorrow or asking a medium what will be in 10 years, why do people have this compulsion? A need to feel in control? Is there such a thing as control?
Maybe people are looking for hope during a time when they have little? I can't imagine anyone would want to know about a painful future.
Maybe people are looking for hope during a time when they have little? I can't imagine anyone would want to know about a painful future.
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theia;509951 wrote: Maybe people are looking for hope during a time when they have little? I can't imagine anyone would want to know about a painful future.
If it can be avoided? It would be worth finding out. I guess that leads into a discussion on freewill vs fate.
If it can be avoided? It would be worth finding out. I guess that leads into a discussion on freewill vs fate.
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koan;509952 wrote: If it can be avoided? It would be worth finding out. I guess that leads into a discussion on freewill vs fate.
I just got to thinking that much of the painful stuff leads us on to new things that we might not have experienced had we not had the painful times...so do we really want to avoid it? But that said, I still don't think we would want to look to the future to see the pain that might be ahead.
I just got to thinking that much of the painful stuff leads us on to new things that we might not have experienced had we not had the painful times...so do we really want to avoid it? But that said, I still don't think we would want to look to the future to see the pain that might be ahead.
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I think it is simply wanting to know the unknown.
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This work for me.. I have enough to deal with daily, let alone worrying about what the future may bring. The only thing I do know about the future is I will get older, till I don't anymore.. 
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MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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I'm not sure, I think it is strange myself. I have never wanted to know the future...wouldn't it be rather dull and boring existence if we did? Then there would be no surprises, you'd already know what is going to happen..so what's the point?
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Diuretic;509965 wrote: I don't want to know the future (the obvious exception being Saturday night's Lotto numbers) and in any case it's not possible to know the future because it doesn't exist therefore it can't be known.
You can visit the future, either psycicly or physically, it exists and can be seen and known.
The only trouble is, when you come back to the present, you cannot be sure that you'll go forward to the same future.
All possible futures exist simultaniously, it's only when the present catches up that you chose which one to enter.
You can visit the future, either psycicly or physically, it exists and can be seen and known.
The only trouble is, when you come back to the present, you cannot be sure that you'll go forward to the same future.
All possible futures exist simultaniously, it's only when the present catches up that you chose which one to enter.
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Bryn Mawr;510648 wrote: You can visit the future, either psycicly or physically, it exists and can be seen and known.
The only trouble is, when you come back to the present, you cannot be sure that you'll go forward to the same future.
All possible futures exist simultaniously, it's only when the present catches up that you chose which one to enter.
That's how I see it as well. Mostly.
Very Richard Bach.
The only problem I have with the simultaneous part is that I also believe in reincarnation and if all possibilities actually exist then one lifetime would be enough. I think our choices are more relevant than that. There is freewill. When we choose one thing we choose not to be another.
The only trouble is, when you come back to the present, you cannot be sure that you'll go forward to the same future.
All possible futures exist simultaniously, it's only when the present catches up that you chose which one to enter.
That's how I see it as well. Mostly.
Very Richard Bach.
The only problem I have with the simultaneous part is that I also believe in reincarnation and if all possibilities actually exist then one lifetime would be enough. I think our choices are more relevant than that. There is freewill. When we choose one thing we choose not to be another.
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Diuretic;510847 wrote: Serious question. Koan - why do you believe in reincarnation? I mean, you're a rational person, so how do you come to a belief in reincarnation?
Note - not snarky or difficult, just wondering.
Because I recall a number of them.
I also have had them confirmed by others who weren't told of my memories and my daughter, when she was six, told me about one of hers.
Note - not snarky or difficult, just wondering.
Because I recall a number of them.
I also have had them confirmed by others who weren't told of my memories and my daughter, when she was six, told me about one of hers.
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In case you wonder, my daughter woke up from a nap crying because she remembered being tortured in medieval times. She described torture that was really done to people and that she had never heard of or witnessed.
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Diuretic;510866 wrote: I do wonder. But it's an open-minded wondering. I've heard of that phenomenon, the memory of previous experiences/existences. I'm sceptical but not cynical. I wonder if there are physiological explanations for them. I also wonder why more people don't report them. If reincarnation exists then surely we would all have such experiences?
There might be studies on it. I know the Russians have spent a fair bit of money on scientific studies of psychic phenomenon. More than other countries anyway.
As it is, it's not an easy thing to prove. People talk about it all the time, it's just considered nonsense most the time.
There might be studies on it. I know the Russians have spent a fair bit of money on scientific studies of psychic phenomenon. More than other countries anyway.
As it is, it's not an easy thing to prove. People talk about it all the time, it's just considered nonsense most the time.
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Diuretic;510920 wrote: Some people might consider it nonsense but then that shows the need for funding or research into what causes that - the closed mind effect I mean.
Yes, the Russians, I remember now. During th 1950s I think there was a lot of brain physiology research. I can't think of the name of the premier researcher I want to try and refer to but I do remember him investigating the phenomenon of the man who couldn't forget. You probably know about it, the man with the completely eidetic memory. Anyway, I'm wondering if that the previous existence experience is physiologically based. Remember Wilder Penfield's research at McGill? That's the sort of thing I'm thinking of. Of course we can only investigate using the tools and understanding we have at the moment so I don't suppose we can ever be in a position to explain the phenomenon in purely physiological terms.
And there's a bit of me that doesn't want to know, strangely enough. It's a bit like having a scientist explaining the mystery of love. I think one day I'll forgive Desmond Morris, but not just yet.
I read a book quite a few years ago called Psychic Discoveries
The review on amazon:
THE INFINITIES OF MIND, March 22, 2005
Reviewer: Dr. Ron "Dr. Ron Dalrymple" (Florida) - See all my reviews
When researching my new book, Quantum Field Psychology, I found this timeless volume by Schroeder and Ostrander to be of great assistance in rounding out the research I was pulling together. I spent three years teaching college overseas in Asia and Europe, researching these concepts in order to produce this mind-shattering theory. It has the scientific community shaking their heads at me and asking, "Who is this guy Dalrymple?"
I don't care, you have to call it the way you see it.
The same way Schroeder and Ostrander did decades ago. They showed tremendous courage in publishing their book, and have suffered both praise and vicious attacks because of it.
The problem with many scientists is...they aren't very scientific. They forget to be open-minded, they forget to follow the evidence, instead of their egos. They forget to forget their tenure, their reputations, the pictures and frames on their walls, and just search for the truth.
Psychic Discoveries was a tradition-shattering book when it was first released, and it still is today.
It offers many great examples of psychic research done in Eastern Europe and Russia, still widely unaccepted today in the West. It presents a basis for understanding that the mind really is an energy field, which transcends the physical brain.
But these concepts had to be refined and put into a more scientific form, into a model of presentation that makes sense, and will help others listen and finally see.
This fine book helped me create such a model, and I heartily thank the authors for it.
If you buy this historic book, keep it in your personal library for all time.
Much of what is directly and indirectly predicted will one day become commonplace.
I greatly recommend it.
Dr. Ron Dalrymple/Psychologist/Coach/Author of Quantum Field Psychology/www.deogenesis.com
I don't recall if they discuss past lives or not.
Yes, the Russians, I remember now. During th 1950s I think there was a lot of brain physiology research. I can't think of the name of the premier researcher I want to try and refer to but I do remember him investigating the phenomenon of the man who couldn't forget. You probably know about it, the man with the completely eidetic memory. Anyway, I'm wondering if that the previous existence experience is physiologically based. Remember Wilder Penfield's research at McGill? That's the sort of thing I'm thinking of. Of course we can only investigate using the tools and understanding we have at the moment so I don't suppose we can ever be in a position to explain the phenomenon in purely physiological terms.
And there's a bit of me that doesn't want to know, strangely enough. It's a bit like having a scientist explaining the mystery of love. I think one day I'll forgive Desmond Morris, but not just yet.
I read a book quite a few years ago called Psychic Discoveries
The review on amazon:
THE INFINITIES OF MIND, March 22, 2005
Reviewer: Dr. Ron "Dr. Ron Dalrymple" (Florida) - See all my reviews
When researching my new book, Quantum Field Psychology, I found this timeless volume by Schroeder and Ostrander to be of great assistance in rounding out the research I was pulling together. I spent three years teaching college overseas in Asia and Europe, researching these concepts in order to produce this mind-shattering theory. It has the scientific community shaking their heads at me and asking, "Who is this guy Dalrymple?"
I don't care, you have to call it the way you see it.
The same way Schroeder and Ostrander did decades ago. They showed tremendous courage in publishing their book, and have suffered both praise and vicious attacks because of it.
The problem with many scientists is...they aren't very scientific. They forget to be open-minded, they forget to follow the evidence, instead of their egos. They forget to forget their tenure, their reputations, the pictures and frames on their walls, and just search for the truth.
Psychic Discoveries was a tradition-shattering book when it was first released, and it still is today.
It offers many great examples of psychic research done in Eastern Europe and Russia, still widely unaccepted today in the West. It presents a basis for understanding that the mind really is an energy field, which transcends the physical brain.
But these concepts had to be refined and put into a more scientific form, into a model of presentation that makes sense, and will help others listen and finally see.
This fine book helped me create such a model, and I heartily thank the authors for it.
If you buy this historic book, keep it in your personal library for all time.
Much of what is directly and indirectly predicted will one day become commonplace.
I greatly recommend it.
Dr. Ron Dalrymple/Psychologist/Coach/Author of Quantum Field Psychology/www.deogenesis.com
I don't recall if they discuss past lives or not.
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Diuretic;510866 wrote: I also wonder why more people don't report them. If reincarnation exists then surely we would all have such experiences?
The theory has it that birth trauma is normally enough to wipe concious memory of the past life.
The theory has it that birth trauma is normally enough to wipe concious memory of the past life.
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As an oblique comment - the author of the thread title died yesterday.
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Diuretic;553297 wrote: If the future exists how do we know that?
It's not a matter of whether it's true - so far it's undecided since there's no experimental evidence for the notion. It's more a question of whether it's a useful assumption in terms of how to order one's existence.
It's not a matter of whether it's true - so far it's undecided since there's no experimental evidence for the notion. It's more a question of whether it's a useful assumption in terms of how to order one's existence.
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Diuretic;553323 wrote: It seems to me to be prudent not to walk in front of a bus because five seconds into the future one would be killed. That's prediction based on observation and experience. I know that unless the rules of our little bit of the universe have been repealed that if I do A then B will follow. But that's not seeing or predicting the future. Walking in front of the bus is irrelevant in the larger scheme of things, since in other timelines you don't walk in front of the bus. All that the collision five seconds into the future achieves is to end your existence in that narrow timeline. Your overall self merely has a boundary at that point in the multiverse. In more general terms, you're never more than an instant from death, the only difference from riskier to less risky moments is the narrowness of the branch in which you die. The bus might swerve. Your heart might stop. You might burst an artery thinking about it. The difference in how life is viewed from this perspective is a passive contemplative fatalism which has at least a morbid attraction to it.
Diuretic;553323 wrote: I was thinking in terms of time and how we experience it. In a sense there's never a future and a past, there's only the present. But the present is moving forwards so fast that it makes a mockery of the idea of a "present". I'm off on a tangent but I think if time travel were possible that it would travelling into the future rather than the past (damnit) because the past is finished while the future is really the present coming at us fast.The past is another country, you're quite right. And yes, it would have been nice if the Grand Designer had built roads to it.
Diuretic;553323 wrote: I was thinking in terms of time and how we experience it. In a sense there's never a future and a past, there's only the present. But the present is moving forwards so fast that it makes a mockery of the idea of a "present". I'm off on a tangent but I think if time travel were possible that it would travelling into the future rather than the past (damnit) because the past is finished while the future is really the present coming at us fast.The past is another country, you're quite right. And yes, it would have been nice if the Grand Designer had built roads to it.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Diuretic;553328 wrote: I've often wondered about the parallel universe thing. And I've come to the conclusion that those other versions of "me" can do what they like, I'm really only concerned with this one And that's not as flippant as it might appear at first blush.Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast?
(If that's too obscure, chasing it down with Google ought to amuse you!)
And that's not as flippant as it might appear at first blush.Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast?(If that's too obscure, chasing it down with Google ought to amuse you!)
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.