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Judge: Saddam Hussein must be executed next month



Former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's death sentence has been upheld by the appellate chamber of the Iraqi High Tribunal, Judge Munir Haddad announced today. Haddad said Hussein's execution must take place before January 27.
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That is good news to hear. I would have been very surprised if it was overturned.
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There are people who think this is a terrible thing but I'm not one of them. One more evil being gone.
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So when do they hang him..:confused:
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CARLA;497317 wrote: So when do they hang him..:confused:


And where do we get tickets??
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I suspect "if" his excuition does come off, that his followers will really retaliate 100 fold! :wah:
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Yes, wonderful.

And to think it only cost an estimated half a million (mostly innocent) lives; the turning of Iraq from a totalitarian nightmare into a complete hell-on earth of death and hatred, (70 people were blown to pieces today, a normality now); the collapse of the international system (as well as any Western claims to morality or impartiality in the Middle East); the further destabilization of the region; exponentially increased global tension and hostility, religious hatred, and racial hatred; a complete submission of our own free media to actually report the reality of what is happening (I'm not even sure we would listen if they did); and (not least) roughly 500 billion dollars (borrowed) to get this (admittedly unpleasant) one man, this one little grubby sentence of death.



What a great day for planet Earth. :-5
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You are correct Galbally and Flopstock what people don't understand is the Middle East has never been at peace, and from all outward signs never will be at Peace, just not going to happen in my life time anyway no matter how much we get involved or any other country gets involved there will in all likely hood never, never be peace in the Middle East. You have several generation now that have grown up in war, blood shed, that is all they know..
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CARLA;497317 wrote: So when do they hang him..:confused:he can be executed at any time within the next 30 days.
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[QUOTE=flopstock;497462]a complete submission of our own free media I agree. Kids returning from over there are appalled at the skewed media coverage. If there are 100 positive stories and 1 story of death and destruction, guess what gets the press coverage... they find this very unbalanced.

Yes, I am sure that all the coalition soliders over there are trying to do their level best in a very bad situation, but that is beside the point. I am not sure how you can realistically put a positive spin on a situation where an occupied country is tearing itself apart in a horrific civil and religious war and where suicide bombs, mass executions by death squads, and general mayhem are an everyday occurrence, can you?



this one little grubby sentence of death. I'm thinking perhaps it's not so insignificant to the families of his victims. :thinking:

I am sure it is not, Saddam will not be mourned by almost anyone, he is indeed a person who has earned his sentence, my question is, do you honestly think it was worth it? I don't. I would also ask you to reflect about how Iraqis whose relatives, spouses, and children have been killed since the invasion (there are a lot of them also) feel about us westerners and our promises now? Think about how angry you felt when those poor people in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania were murdered, now think about how you would feel if half a million American were killed because someone (for whatever reason) decided to invade your country to "liberate" you?

Are our countries safer now? Lets not forget that was the supposed reason this was done. Are we better off? Who's agenda has been served by any of this? What are the long term consequences of what has been done in Iraq by the West since 2003? I don't know, but I doubt they are good.



I don't like that we are over there. I don't care for our policy toward the middle east overall. But the fact that I don't, does not justify an attitude of 'but for us, the middle east would be one awesome love-fest'. That just was not and would not be the case.

I completely agree, the Middle East is a very troubled region, I also see that our actions over the past 3 years have not lessened this, they have increased it, exponentially. Why do Arabs and Muslims in general now hate us so much, why are we so despised, where once we were not (if not loved either)? Its certainly not all "our" fault I agree, but we have hardly covered ourselves in glory in the Middle East, either in the past or the present.

Instead of looking long and hard at our own policies (which is the only thing realistically we get to decide upon) we decided to increase the violence and bloodshed in the region (of course ostensibly in the name of "freeing" Iraqis, which is a claim that we have made to many Arabs since 1918, its easy to see why they don't exactly trust us). Now there is a religious war brewing in the horn of Africa, and Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons, and we have destroyed whatever ability we would have had to deal with these issues without resorting to more war, more death, more hate.

The U.S. after September 11th had every right to respond and defend itself, unfortunately in deciding to militarily invade Iraq on bogus claims of links to those attacks, links to Al Queda, and claims of weapons of mass destruction that were never found, the administration and the British government have wasted American, British, and Iraqi lives (as well as an ocean of borrowed money) in making a bad situation worse, and making the U.S. and Europe, less (and not more) secure as was promised, that is folly in anyone's book.
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flopstock;497493 wrote: None of this is news, is it? The fact that the man is going to be hanged for his crimes is. That is a good thing. If he were not, then I suppose the argument would be that we had done all of these stupid ass things and had nothing to show for it, the man is free to carry on with his atrocities..



That his people are getting some justice here, is a good thing. Regardless of what you or I or anyone else may think about the whole fiasco over there. In spite of it even... the Iraqis are getting some justice.

And that is good.


I understand what you are saying, I agree that Saddam is facing justice for what he has done, but my point is that its not something I particularly feel is worth celebrating from our point of view. Personally, unless Iraq actually posed any real threat to the West in 2003 (which it did not), I cannot see how any of this can be justified morally. Hundreds of thousands of people have now died as a direct result of an invasion that is now being justified (the alleged threat of WMDs having been conveniently discarded) because it has resulted in the imminent execution of a man who is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people. By the same logic, it is now incumbent upon someone to attack us to revenge our role in the current tragedy of Iraq and kill hundreds of thousands of us. I do not share that logic, but many posses such warped thinking, and we are simply providing them with a justification for their own evil intentions against us, without doing anything (even on a cynical level) to actually make our own countries safer, indeed, the resources we are wasting in Iraq actually means we are lessening our abilities to defend ourselves not increasing them.

Again, yes its a small amount of justice in a country that generally has experienced none, but if this is what it has taken then it was a bad deal for us indeed. I am sorry that I cannot be more positive about this, but I see nothing to celebrate.
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'BallyBob: "Saddam will not be mourned by almost anyone, he is indeed a person who has earned his sentence, my question is, do you honestly think it was worth it? I don't. I would also ask you to reflect about how Iraqis whose relatives, spouses, and children have been killed since the invasion (there are a lot of them also) feel about us westerners and our promises now? Think about how angry you felt when those poor people in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania were murdered, now think about how you would feel if half a million American were killed because someone (for whatever reason) decided to invade your country to "liberate" you?

Are our countries safer now? Lets not forget that was the supposed reason this was done. Are we better off? Who's agenda has been served by any of this? What are the long term consequences of what has been done in Iraq by the West since 2003? I don't know, but I doubt they are good."

+++++++++++ Add to this that Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and I'll stand with you in front of the White House!
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Lulu2;497507 wrote: 'BallyBob: "Saddam will not be mourned by almost anyone, he is indeed a person who has earned his sentence, my question is, do you honestly think it was worth it? I don't. I would also ask you to reflect about how Iraqis whose relatives, spouses, and children have been killed since the invasion (there are a lot of them also) feel about us westerners and our promises now? Think about how angry you felt when those poor people in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania were murdered, now think about how you would feel if half a million American were killed because someone (for whatever reason) decided to invade your country to "liberate" you?

Are our countries safer now? Lets not forget that was the supposed reason this was done. Are we better off? Who's agenda has been served by any of this? What are the long term consequences of what has been done in Iraq by the West since 2003? I don't know, but I doubt they are good."

+++++++++++ Add to this that Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and I'll stand with you in front of the White House!


I am quite certain that the previous Iraqi government had nothing to do with September 11th, as I'm sure are the CIA, MI5, the FBI, the U.S. and British Military, the State Department, and in fact everyone (including the U.S. President). The fact is that the 18 hijackers were mostly Saudi Arabians, who were Al Queda operatives, militant Islamicists, of the Wahabbi persuasion (a Saudi phenomon) who had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq.

In fact, the Baathists of Iraq are actually the traditional and vocal enemies of these Islamic Jihaddists (for their own reasons), after all, Saddam's secular Iraq did fight an 8 year war with the Islamic Shia theocracy of Iran (which we supported) precisely because he feared these people. Which makes the ultimate folly of this war even more obscene. Now Iraq is full of such people who see their role as creating an Islamic state of Iraq, driving out the "Crusaders" (as they see us, and a stereotype that we have foolishly played into), and killing anyone who gets in their way. Its not my place to stand in front of the White House or Downing Street, but if I was American (or British), I would not be very pleased with my government at all.
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We aren't happy with our Government for the most part. We want our troops out of the Middle East, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. :-1 It goes without say we support our young men and women in the armed forces, doesn't mean we want them slaughtered in the middle of a Civil War in Iraq..:-1

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Well said, Carla! I agree. Our President lied to us and has been inept since day one. I have never supported this man! It doesn't make me happy to say "I told you so."
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CARLA;497528 wrote: We aren't happy with our Government for the most part. We want our troops out of the Middle East, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. :-1 It goes without say we support our young men and women in the armed forces, doesn't mean we want them slaughtered in the middle of a Civil War in Iraq..:-1


I know that Carla, its a terrible situation now, and its not easy to see what the immediate solution is. Its not unpatriotic to question your government's actions even at a time like this (in fact this is when it counts most). And its also not the U.S or British military's fault, they did not decide to go to war, they simply do as instructed.

The responsibility for what Saddam has done to his people belongs to him.

The responsibility for the invasion is the responsibility of the (current) U.S. President and the British Prime Minister (who laughably worries about his legacy, Mr Blair shoudn't worry, his legacy in history will be long-lasting indeed).

What happens next is anyone's guess, its my opinion that the situation is not one that anyone has the ability to predict or control, a worrying situation indeed. :(
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Lulu2;497534 wrote: Well said, Carla! I agree. Our President lied to us and has been inept since day one. I have never supported this man! It doesn't make me happy to say "I told you so."


I think that the old and very true American axiom "You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time" is most apt in this situation.
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I agree Galbally and it is so troubling I can barely watch the news anymore. :-1 We truly don't belong in the Middle East.

Sadam Hussein death is necessary I guess, will it solve anything no..:(

[QUOTE]What happens next is anyone's guess, its my opinion that the situation is not one that anyone has the ability to predict or control, a worrying situation indeed.[/QUOTE]
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CARLA;497567 wrote: I agree Galbally and it is so troubling I can barely watch the news anymore. :-1 We truly don't belong in the Middle East.

Saddam Hussein death is necessary I guess, will it solve anything no..:(


It is a frightening situation, and especially for those who have loved ones serving in the country, (and of course for ordinary Iraqis, god help them). Its important to remember though, that although its a grim situation, its not hopeless either. Our people in all Western countries have faced very hard times indeed in the past and won through in the end and survived, though always at a price.

Even if its not possible to recover what has been lost, or even for us to provide the Iraqi people with a functioning society and country on any terms they would accept now; it is possible for our governments to do better in general than they are at present in how they deal with the Arab world (and they us). Its my belief that things will change in terms of Western policy at least, and pretty quickly when it comes down to it. What it will all really mean I do not know, but a different direction in Western policy is certainly needed at the present moment. Even Mr Bush recognizes that fact.
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I hope for all our sakes he does, time to take the blinders off George it ain't working in the Middle East.. :(

[QUOTE]Even Mr Bush recognizes that fact.[/QUOTE]
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which car do you like to drive on new ear's Eve?
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assday;497790 wrote: which car do you like to drive on new ear's Eve?


when is he going to be sentenced? ifeel sorry for him, cause he has committed so many harms to human kinds.
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Hussein can just up and bite the dust as a martyr then, IMNSFHO. Won't bother ME a bit. He deserves to die, and he's going to.
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cars;497420 wrote: I suspect "if" his excuition does come off, that his followers will really retaliate 100 fold! :wah:


How on earth you say like this. we need no more retaliation from Arabs He!
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political power should be well and fairly distributed among countries.
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Calls for the hanging to be televised....
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lady cop;497942 wrote: Calls for the hanging to be televised....


I am sure that it will not be televised, its going to be tricky enough doing it off camera. I don't care one way or another, I have no interest in Saddam, he deserves to die according to his own rules, but I am not generally in favour of the death penalty. Again, its certainly justice of a kind, but the price has been enormous, for everyone involved. :(
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They're talking on the news about the wise decision to execute him and THEN announce it. Perhaps this will lessen the media opportunities for his supporters. I agree with those who've said he'll become a martyr. Do you suppose those poor virgins are drawing lots--to see who HAS to greet him? :wah:
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Lulu2;498126 wrote: They're talking on the news about the wise decision to execute him and THEN announce it. Perhaps this will lessen the media opportunities for his supporters.
Or maybe they are thinking of the hoards of people lining up who want to be the one throwing the switch.
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Lulu2;498126 wrote: They're talking on the news about the wise decision to execute him and THEN announce it. Perhaps this will lessen the media opportunities for his supporters. I agree with those who've said he'll become a martyr. Do you suppose those poor virgins are drawing lots--to see who HAS to greet him? :wah:


Indeed, 27 or 47 or something isn't it? Well, I suppose once the principal is in place then the number is not as important! :wah: I hate to ask, but is Saddam in any way attractive girls?, he is pretty malevolent after all, and a mass murderer as well, apparently some people find that quite a turn on, sorry if its tasteless, its just that Lulu's post about the virgins got me thinking, of all the evil men in history, who was the sexiest? :thinking:
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That's an interesting question....power being the ultimate aphrodisiac--or so it's said. I'm wondering if one possible answer would be DeSade? He doesn't appeal to MY taste...but it appears as if he attracted quite a following among folks to whom he DID appeal.
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Lulu2;498275 wrote: That's an interesting question....power being the ultimate aphrodisiac--or so it's said. I'm wondering if one possible answer would be DeSade? He doesn't appeal to MY taste...but it appears as if he attracted quite a following among folks to whom he DID appeal.


Yes it is kinda interesting, though I think its a bit of a stereotype that is not as common as people think. I guess its the idea that men who are prepared to do very violent or nasty things, possess a certain type of power that some women respond to, power being the ultimate aphrodisiac they say. :thinking: Or maybe its that weird sex/death thing we seem to have inside us. Anyway, moving on.
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He really did a nice thing niether to the world nor to his own country, he was a real monster. But i rather want him to be inprisoned life time with hard labor instead of his execution which won't bring any thing to entire world.:driving:
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sense he is sentenced to die, i will be glad when they hurry up and get it done...get it over with.....
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NBC News and news services

Updated: 18 minutes ago

Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, sentenced to death for his role in 148 killings in 1982, will have his sentence carried out by Sunday, NBC News reported Thursday. According to a U.S. military officer who spoke on condition of anonymity, Saddam will be hanged before the start of the Eid religious holiday, which begins this Sunday.

The hanging could take place as early as Friday, NBC’s Richard Engel reported.

The U.S. military received a formal request from the Iraqi government to transfer Saddam to Iraqi authorities, NBC reported on Thursday, which is one of the final steps required before his execution. His sentence, handed down last month, ordered that he be hanged within 30 days.
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lady cop;499166 wrote: NBC News and news services

Updated: 18 minutes ago

Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, sentenced to death for his role in 148 killings in 1982, will have his sentence carried out by Sunday, NBC News reported Thursday. According to a U.S. military officer who spoke on condition of anonymity, Saddam will be hanged before the start of the Eid religious holiday, which begins this Sunday.

The hanging could take place as early as Friday, NBC’s Richard Engel reported.

The U.S. military received a formal request from the Iraqi government to transfer Saddam to Iraqi authorities, NBC reported on Thursday, which is one of the final steps required before his execution. His sentence, handed down last month, ordered that he be hanged within 30 days.


Interesting, I am not surprised they are getting it over and done with, it could be a bit tricky with some Sunnis there. Anyway, I don't take pleasure in people being killed, but good riddance to him, he can't say he doesn't deserve it. I still say it wasn't worth it though.
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In his case...the sooner the better. Wonder if they'll televise it? I'd think so--otherwise, how'll we know he's truly dead?
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Lulu2;499179 wrote: In his case...the sooner the better. Wonder if they'll televise it? I'd think so--otherwise, how'll we know he's truly dead?i read somewhere today it will be videotaped as evidence for posterity/ history, but not made public. however, these things usually find their way to certain websites. in the case of his sons, many people did not believe they were deceased until photos of their bodies were made public. that may have to happen in this instance as well.
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Lulu2;499179 wrote: In his case...the sooner the better. Wonder if they'll televise it? I'd think so--otherwise, how'll we know he's truly dead?


I think thats a very delicate one, there are still a lot of people who support him in the Sunni areas, and the last thing they want to do is make his passing seem in any way romanticized by making him seem more like a so called "matyr", I am sure that they will make a record of it though, and like ladycop said it will find its way onto the net. He will be hooded anyway, thats for certain. Anyway, he won't be missed by many. Least of all most of his own long suffering population.
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Exactly--I understood why the bodies of his sons were shown. Frankly, I'd ADORE it if Saddam were shown having a very "poor" death (tears, weak knees, etc.)

But...I'm just having a BITCH moment! :sneaky:
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Hussein handed over to Iraqis

Lawyers representing Saddam Hussein have told CNN that they have been informed by U.S. officials that the former Iraqi leader is no longer in U.S. military custody. The handover to Iraqis is considered a final step before Hussein's execution. Other news agencies quote officials as saying Hussein could be executed by Saturday.
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Kind of wish it was like that here...someone gets death penalty, and 30 days and you are gone.
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US denies Saddam handed to Iraqis

US officials deny reports that Saddam Hussein has been transferred to Iraqi custody ahead of his execution. .........conflicting report.
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i just hope his death doesn't get conflicted....we will think he is gone and the sucker will be living down in the keys with his nike flip flops and costal del mar dunglasses downing pina coladas watching the sunset.......:guitarist
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From CNN...."Breaking News"

-- Saddam Hussein's execution will take place before 6:00 a.m. Saturday local time (10:00 p.m. Friday ET), Munir Haddad, a judge on the appeals court that upheld the former dictator's death sentence, told CNN.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Hypocritical i know, i dont hold with the death sentence but........:yh_dance :yh_dance:yh_dance
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