Why Jesus Has More Brides Than Dracula

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:49 am

Glaswegian;472869 wrote: In that case how about....

Son of Weber....?

LOL.....gofrit.....you attack Christians.....I attack you. Actually I don't know why I bother. You are the first person I tried to put on ignore but I took you off because you're there anyway.....there is no way to totally ignore. Ignore button means nothing. So I'll have to try to make a note to simply ignore when I see the name that has not meaning.

Don't get upset now if you don't ever hear from me again. There are a lot of nice people here to talk with.

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:50 pm

weber;472894 wrote: Don't get upset now if you don't ever hear from me again.

'Can I tell you now as you turn to go

I'll be dying slowly till the next hello'

(Jacques Brel: If You Go Away)

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:10 pm

Glaswegian;473036 wrote: 'Can I tell you now as you turn to go

I'll be dying slowly till the next hello'

(Jacques Brel: If You Go Away)

That's weird. You call down my belief to the lowest, you say disgusting things about Christians, which I am and have no intention whatsoever of changing, you leave a foul taste in my mouth and they you say you'll be dying slowly till the next hello. So maybe that is another of your weird put downs, so weird that I had to reply and not for a second do I believe you would miss my thoughts.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:12 pm

weber;473052 wrote: That's weird. You call down my belief to the lowest, you say disgusting things about Christians, which I am and have no intention whatsoever of changing, you leave a foul taste in my mouth and they you say you'll be dying slowly till the next hello. So maybe that is another of your weird put downs, so weird that I had to reply and not for a second do I believe you would miss my thoughts.

Weber, ignore him. He is a douche-bag. He is baiting you on purpose. He doesnt want to discuss anything with you, he wants to hurt your feelings. Just let him rant on. Jesus said to turn the other cheek.

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:43 pm

DesignerGal;473054 wrote: Weber, ignore him. He is a douche-bag. He is baiting you on purpose. He doesnt want to discuss anything with you, he wants to hurt your feelings. Just let him rant on. Jesus said to turn the other cheek.

Hey DG

Interesting idea. I never thought of turn the other cheek in that particular way. I like it and I will just turn the other cheek and let him rant on. Thank you:-4

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:52 pm

weber;473052 wrote: not for a second do I believe you would miss my thoughts.

weber! Your thoughts have returned to me. And you with them. O sweet joy! Every moment of both of our lives now can be the beginning of great things. But hark! I feel a song coming on....

'Mama, do you see what I see?

On your knees and pray for me

weber's come back to me

Charley, don't want another beer

Tonight I'm gonna drink my tears

weber's come back to me

Go ask the maid if she heard what I said

Tell her to change the sheets on the bed

weber's come back to me

Fellas, don't leave me tonight

Tonight I'm going back to fight

Wretched weber's in sight

My heart, my heart, stop beating so

Just make as if you didn't know

That weber's come back to me

My heart, I don't want you to say

She's lovelier than when she went away

weber, who's come back to me

My heart, stop being overjoyed

Remember you were once destroyed

By weber, who's come back to me

Fellas, please don't go away

Tell me that I musn't stay

weber's coming back today

My hands, you'll start to shake again

When you remember all the pain

weber's come back to me

You'll want to beat her black and blue

But don't do it, I beg of you

weber's come back to me

My hands, remember all the years

Remember when you caught my tears

weber's come back to me

My hands, you'll want to touch her now

But please try and be strong somehow

weber's here, she's coming now, now

Mama, can you hear me yell?

Your baby boy's gone back to hell

weber's come back to me

Charley, champagne right away

I know you've been saving it for the holiday

But weber's come back to me

Go ask the maid if she heard what I said

Tell her to put the best sheets on the bed

weber's come back to me

My friends, don't count on me no more

I've gone and crashed through heaven's door

My sweet weber's here

Once more, once more'

(Adapted from Mathilde by Jacques Brel. Sung by Glaswegian.)

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:27 pm

I'm a glutton for punishment DG

What is it that you want from me Glasman.

I haven't a clue what that song is all about. I really should have let this thread die and it will die very easily if all you want is to destroy me in some way. Actually you can't do that because my faith is deeply imbedded and I belong to God of my own choice and if you try to hurt me, it will surely backfire.......maybe not today or tomorrow, but it will come back to you.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:28 pm

Novelty;472735 wrote: Yes. it's moronic...
So you're saying that every society, every culture, is moronic? It's a stretch to see your point, but I'm willing to read.

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:48 pm

Novelty;472650 wrote: All i see is a Culture eater, all they do is take what men and women have written then jumble it up and say this is the way, they think that they are creating culture but they are not...

And how would you suggest that we create culture, or be cultured?

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:27 pm

Novelty;473364 wrote: What would you like to do if you had the choice?

Not biting Novelty.

You seem to love to whack the system but you don't seem to have any remedies and then you try to get me to answer what I asked you. Forget it. Answer or be quiet. If you can't fix it, don't complain.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:29 pm

Novelty;473358 wrote: Lets not try and get into a misconception that everybody is a moron, and look at it with a thoughtful approach, all we do is eat culture instead of creating culture, there are those who stand out ie Carl Jung, Nikola Tesla, M L king ect, also artists and musicians who try ie John Lennon, Bob Marley ect ... also artists davinci ect but what the most of us tend to do is eat our own culture instead of creating one, the reason this is moronic is because it's not what humans are supposed to do, we are creative animals but we are stumped at birth into believing bullshit, IE tooth fairy Santa clause ect then when we reach puberty everything is the opposite this is why modernity is disenchanted, religion is just a grown up fairytale entrenched into our psychology,

we are told that we are not important, we should get a degree become a this or become a that, those who worry about whacko jacko or coronation st are disempowered, all we do is just feed of our culture in the name of the economy, the economy that just kills the planet, whats more important is who you are right now not these freaks who spoon feed you your culture, they understand exactly what i mean.. Create your own culture and be creative and come up with your own self...

please don't feel I'm calling you a moron I'm not we all have to live in it...

and we make the most of it the best that we can.....

I get the feeling you don't like me accountable that's fine, if you could make a further stretch to ignore me that would be great thank you...

I'm tiered of trying...
I like you fine, Ian, when you're calm like now. I like you alot in your creativity. I truly don't dislike you even when you go on the occassional rant.

And I know you weren't calling me a moron.

Every culture has had religion. I would say they are all based in some kind of religion, but I'm not certain it applies so broadly. The very best of our creativity - art, archetecture and music at least - came from a religious base, meaning they were things glorifying the artist's religion. It's also undeniable that some of the very worst of ourselves likewise claimed the same religion.

In short, it is not religion that makes our cultures good or bad, but the people themselves.

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:22 pm

Novelty;473429 wrote: what is wrong with you, I'm trying to answer you, all I'm saying is you can be what you want to be.. I'm not complaining i actually feel very strongly about the next generation and realise it's our responsibility, you attack everything, i wont bite because I've learned the hardest way possible not to forget those who use this forum i actually like and admire, so quit it with your poison.

Okay. Didn't mean to be poison. I understand what you just said. I didn't understand you before.

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:04 am

DesignerGal;473054 wrote: Jesus said to turn the other cheek.

Let me respond to the above Christian precept with an extract from a post I made in another forum, Designer Gal. Viz...

'....Christianity is born of, and sustained by, human fear and impotence in the face of the terror and uncertainty of life. It holds an almost irresistible appeal for those who lack the stomach or skill to deal with adversity - whether this takes the form of a struggle against the world, against others, or against oneself. In essence Christianity has always been, and remains, a religion for slaves. This is often explicitly stated in that manifesto for slaves - The New Testament (e.g., 'The meek shall inherit the earth'; 'He who is last shall be first', etc.) Christianity's slavish character is also implicit in a number of its moral precepts: for example, in its exhortations to 'turn the other cheek' and to 'love one's enemies'. Carl Lofmark comments on these two precepts as follows:

'Turning the other cheek reduces a man to the moral status of a dog abused by his master: it destroys his self-respect. While it is generous to forgive your enemy, it is usually absurd and unrealistic to love him, and the effort to force yourself may lead you into the very real moral offence of hypocrisy; pretending to be something that you are not, sporting a false smile on your face that hides the real venom in your heart.'

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:40 am

GlassWagon, why do you fear Christianity so?

theia · Post by **theia** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:58 am

Accountable;473662 wrote: GlassWagon, why do you fear Christianity so?

Excellent point, Acc. I'm finding more and more that those things, or people, that I react strongly against, say far more about me and my fears than about the thing or person. I have to admit though that it doesn't stop me reacting adversely or hotly denying that it's not me, it's them . So I'm not really getting anywhere :-5

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:20 am

Novelty;473426 wrote: Thank you accountable

but I'm sorry i disagree with your view, creativity - art, architecture came before language in fact this is what created language, religion comes from the sun in the sky, all the animals follow the same, we've just advanced it over the centuries,Good point. My broader point (oxymoron?) was that religion inspired some of our greatest art, music, and architecture. The inspiration comes from the idea of the ideal. Striving for, expressing, glorifying the Ideal Good can only be a good thing - no matter what you call it.

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:51 am

Accountable;473662 wrote: GlassWagon, why do you fear Christianity so?

Your use of the word 'fear' in the above question, Accountable, shows that you have misunderstood me completely. Since it is a question which has no bearing on me I would only be misleading you if I gave any answer to it. Let me offer you some advice as to how you should have phrased your question. Your question would have been more fitting if you had put it thus:

GlassWagon, why do you hold Christianity in such contempt?

Now, I can certainly provide you with an answer to that question.

There are countless reasons why my contempt for Christianity is boundless, Accountable. Here's just one of them for you to be going on with:

Since it first appeared on the earth - and throughout its long and deplorable history - the Christian religion has been the mother of sexual insanity. The mental asylums of the world have been filled with individuals beyond number (an incalculable number which is replenished daily) who drove themselves mad, or were driven mad, as a result of Christianity's morbid and unnatural teachings about sex. Human beings in the Western world owe much to Kinsey and nothing at all to Christ or his Church for the more enlightened view they now have about sex.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:53 am

Glaswegian;473622 wrote: Let me respond to the above Christian precept with an extract from a post I made in another forum, Designer Gal. Viz...

'....Christianity is born of, and sustained by, human fear and impotence in the face of the terror and uncertainty of life. It holds an almost irresistible appeal for those who lack the stomach or skill to deal with adversity - whether this takes the form of a struggle against the world, against others, or against oneself. In essence Christianity has always been, and remains, a religion for slaves. This is often explicitly stated in that manifesto for slaves - The New Testament (e.g., 'The meek shall inherit the earth'; 'He who is last shall be first', etc.) Christianity's slavish character is also implicit in a number of its moral precepts: for example, in its exhortations to 'turn the other cheek' and to 'love one's enemies'. Carl Lofmark comments on these two precepts as follows:

'Turning the other cheek reduces a man to the moral status of a dog abused by his master: it destroys his self-respect. While it is generous to forgive your enemy, it is usually absurd and unrealistic to love him, and the effort to force yourself may lead you into the very real moral offence of hypocrisy; pretending to be something that you are not, sporting a false smile on your face that hides the real venom in your heart.'

I will conitnue to pray for you my freind. Jesus loves you and he wants whats best for you. Fill your heart with the Lord and feel the deepest love you will ever know.

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:00 am

DesignerGal;473724 wrote: Fill your heart with the Lord and feel the deepest love you will ever know.

feel the deepest love....?

Oh behave!

(See my discussion of eroticism in religious language in post #74 of this thread, Designer Gal.)

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:09 am

Glaswegian;473769 wrote: feel the deepest love....?

Oh behave!

(See my discussion of eroticism in religious language in post #74 of this thread, Designer Gal.)

No thanks. Im sure its tailored to fit your skewed view of Christianity. I know what I need to know about my God.

But like I said before, I will continue to pray for your inner turmoil.

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:31 pm

Glaswegian;471194 wrote: I don't know about you but sometimes when my eyes meet the eyes of an animal, say a dog, I find myself lowering mine in shame. Do you know why? Because within the unfathomable depths of the creature's gaze there is something accusatory, something which seems to say: 'How ridiculous you humans are! How utterly preposterous you appear to us animals! Why do you require all those religious illusions in order to live? What nonsense! Why can't you be like us? Why are you unable just to live!'

Walt Whitman expresses a sentiment very similar to my own here in his poem I Think I Could Turn And Live With The Animals. He writes:

'They - - do not sweat and whine about their condition,

They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,

They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,

Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago....'

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:15 pm

Glaswegian;473722 wrote: Your use of the word 'fear' in the above question, Accountable, shows that you have misunderstood me completely. Since it is a question which has no bearing on me I would only be misleading you if I gave any answer to it. Let me offer you some advice as to how you should have phrased your question. Your question would have been more fitting if you had put it thus:

GlassWagon, why do you hold Christianity in such contempt?

Now, I can certainly provide you with an answer to that question.

There are countless reasons why my contempt for Christianity is boundless, Accountable. Here's just one of them for you to be going on with:

Since it first appeared on the earth - and throughout its long and deplorable history - the Christian religion has been the mother of sexual insanity. The mental asylums of the world have been filled with individuals beyond number (an incalculable number which is replenished daily) who drove themselves mad, or were driven mad, as a result of Christianity's morbid and unnatural teachings about sex. Human beings in the Western world owe much to Kinsey and nothing at all to Christ or his Church for the more enlightened view they now have about sex.
Why only Christianity? Why not the other myriad religions? Christianity doesn't even have the most members worldwide.

Nope, sorry, I smell the sweat of fear on ya.

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:53 am

Glaswegian;472300 wrote: it can be said that what we witness in mystical experience is the human sex instinct after it has undergone highly elaborate forms of sublimation. This instinct becomes transformed out of all recognition in the mind of the mystic, which is to say, it becomes transformed into 'spiritual feeling'.

Psychologists have long recognised that religion is inextricably bound up with the sex instinct and they provide numerous examples of the complex and subtle ways in which religious behaviour and experience are shaped and informed by it. But it is not only psychologists who have discerned the connection between religion and the sex instinct. Many religionists have known about it as well - at least at an implicit level. After all, why do you think that religions have been so concerned with the sex instinct throughout the ages? Why do you think that some of them have been obsessed with it? Why do you think that Christianity, for example, has been so anxious to suppress the sex instinct in its followers? Is it not because this religion's policy-makers (e.g., the apostle Paul) have understood, albeit in a dim, rudimentary way, that when the sex instinct is allowed to express itself naturally - say, in a good healthy shag - the sublimation of this instinct into religious feeling and sentiment is less likely to occur?

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:02 pm

Glaswegian;477301 wrote: Psychologists have long recognised that religion is inextricably bound up with the sex instinct and they provide numerous examples of the complex and subtle ways in which religious behaviour and experience are shaped and informed by it. But it is not only psychologists who have discerned the connection between religion and the sex instinct. Many religionists have known about it as well - at least at an implicit level. After all, why do you think that religions have been so concerned with the sex instinct throughout the ages? Why do you think that some of them have been obsessed with it? Why do you think that Christianity, for example, has been so anxious to suppress the sex instinct in its followers? Is it not because this religion's policy-makers (e.g., the apostle Paul) have understood, albeit in a dim, rudimentary way, that when the sex instinct is allowed to express itself naturally - say, in a good healthy shag - the sublimation of this instinct into religious feeling and sentiment is less likely to occur?

Actually I think it is the other way round. it is the human sex instinct that is inextricably bound up with many things, of which relgion is just one. We have sex for pleasure, we can become addicted to it, we can worship it. It can override other desires and common sense. The question is why do some religions suppress sexuality publically while the religious "officials" engage in it (often in perverse ways) individually. It must be about control. In some way supressing sexuality enables religious leaders to control the flock. Part of it has to do with men wanting to control women and derives from the days when women were considered property. These ideas seem to be everywhere in the old scriptures from the Old Testament to the Qu'ran. The funny thing is it has not changed behavior much IMO maybe it just keeps the pews filled...

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:41 pm

zinkyusa;477351 wrote: Actually I think it is the other way round. it is the human sex instinct that is inextricably bound up with many things, of which relgion is just one. We have sex for pleasure, we can become addicted to it, we can worship it. It can override other desires and common sense. The question is why do some religions suppress sexuality publically while the religious "officials" engage in it (often in perverse ways) individually. It must be about control. In some way supressing sexuality enables religious leaders to control the flock. Part of it has to do with men wanting to control women and derives from the days when women were considered property. These ideas seem to be everywhere in the old scriptures from the Old Testament to the Qu'ran. The funny thing is it has not changed behavior much IMO maybe it just keeps the pews filled...

You just had to bump this fool's post didnt you! For shame!:D

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:30 pm

DesignerGal;477405 wrote: You just had to bump this fool's post didnt you! For shame!:D

couldn't help myself...

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:10 pm

The merest glance at the history of religion will provide you with many examples of religious behaviour in which the operation of the sex instinct is so obvious as to be naked.

For example, during the Witch Holocaust in pre-Enlightenment Europe the Christian Church set up ecclesiastical tribunals to deal with individuals accused of witchcraft and filled them with men whose faith in their religion was regarded as beyond reproach. These devout Churchmen were extremely diligent in their investigations of those charged with witchcraft, especially when the accused was a woman or girl of pleasing appearance. In these cases, the Churchmen were so diligent that they often insisted on discovering - or to put it more pertinently in this context - uncovering evidence of witchcraft for themselves. This hands on approach by the Churchmen involved their personally undertaking detailed and thorough examinations of the naked bodies of these attractive females for 'marks of the Devil' (e.g., moles, boils, unusual birthmarks, and blemishes of every sort). In the eyes of the Churchmen, the sanctity of God and the protection of the Christian faith also required the repeated insertion of their devout fingers into female orifices for the detection of warts and other 'sinister' cutaneous excrescences, and in some instances even the smelling and tasting of these orifices for 'infernal odours and secretions'....

In the foregoing example, the sex instinct can be easily seen manifesting itself in the behaviour of the Churchmen in a lurid way.

Glaswegian · Post by **Glaswegian** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:46 pm

DesignerGal;473724 wrote: I will conitnue to pray for you my freind.
Why is it that whenever a Christian tells me they will pray for me I always feel the need to put on my stab-proof vest?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:19 pm

That's a great idea!